They just want to fit in, right.

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Originally Posted by English assassin

I think we are allowed to be a little worried when 13% of our muslim fellow countrymen think that the 7/7 bombers were "martyrs", no? That's 13% of 1.6 million, a whopping 208,000 people. Can we, yunno, at least talk about this? Or is that too illiberal.

Lets try this thought experiment: 13% of white britons believe anyone who shoots unarmed muslim citizens dead is a hero. Cue outrage.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...254764,00.html

And yes, I can read the figures showing that a fair proportion of muslims have a heathier attitude. That, and the idea of muslim theme pubs in 200 years time, will be a great comfort to me when my children are gassed on the tube by one of the "few bad apples".

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I was going to post that. I know dozens of Moslems, many of them very well. I would say this survey accurately mirrors the attitudes of a lot of them.

Mahmood, a guy I used to work with and a close friend is sceptical of these so called Islamicists. As he says, " You see these idiots at prayers on a Friday in the Mosque, spouting on about the unbelievers and infidels and how the UK should be subject to Sharia Law as it's the way forward. Then you see the same guys in the city centre on Saturday night, holding a half empty bottle of Grolsch, trying to pull the (white) girls in the clubs and bars".

He thinks they are world class morons.

Another thing. The latest generation of Moslems are very, very aggressive to the white locals. I've lost count of the number of times I've been threatened by these people, merely for taking my dog for a walk in the local park.

Assimilation? Yes, as long as we (unbelievers/heretics/infidels) assimilate with them. :wall:

Before anyone gets on their high horse about racism, this is nothing to do with race. More to do with a culture clash and religionism.

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I'm put off by neon-lighted, gay, disco bars.

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Your former name was NeonGod...~:confused: :inquisitive:

anytime white christians are told they can't be part of something, they b*tch and moan. it's amazing. i have yet to see any complaint threads like OMG they're soo isolationist!!!* or OMG these Christians are teaching fundamentalist stuff in teh college!! why?!?!?!

the history of western white christians excluding others (to this day) is nothing new. you already have your own exclusive places; use them. don't start trying crying when others are only following your lead. disband all your exclusive places first, then you might have cause to complain.


*there are still many, many private clubs that don't let black or jewish people (or non-rich people, for that matter) join. where's the disgust?

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Originally Posted by Wigferth Ironwall

Yes, our culture is varied and not every part is to everyone's taste. Consider this though, the woman can always go to a different pub and frankly I think you over estimate our modern class division but the working class man can go to a greasy spoon. The difference is that this themepark thing is symtomatic of the Muslim attitude to Britain in general and their lack of willingness to integrate.

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I could understand complaints if the muslim group was demonstrating outside the park, demanding an end to the horrible un-islamic things that go on there. Add some threats of violence and you get a case for the police.

But what part of paying good money for hiring the park is "not-integrating"? Forbidding alcohol sales and elevator music? Halal food and women-only areas? They pay for it, they get to set the rules for the day. Seems like basic capitalism to me. :2thumbsup:

I wonder would i get banned from the forums if i said that i hate muslims and dont want any in Britian?

you would. is this what you are saying? i will take No Response to this reply as a "Yes," and will proceed shortly.

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Originally Posted by King Ragnar

I wonder would i get banned from the forums if i said that i hate muslims and dont want any in Britian?

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Originally Posted by solypsist

you would. is this what you are saying?

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Why? I mean, I am the last to instigate any hatred or a crusade against anyone but shouldn't he have the 'right' to say it? It certainly is ignorant and unrealistic but not have the right to say it?...

Quid

Just seeing what the boundries are, i wont go into my proper opinion on it as that would probably lead to me being banned, carry on...

I'm loking for a "Yes," or "No," answer to my question above.

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Originally Posted by King Ragnar

Just seeing what the boundries are, i wont go into my proper opinion on it as that would probably lead to me being banned, carry on...

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Well i will say no as i dont want to be banned...

you can say it, you just can't say it on here.

keep in mind this is an international gaming board and the idea here is to welcome Total War players from all different backgrounds and nationalities. anyone who publicly states that he/she categorically hates any particular representative group is not the kind of person we want in here. users who intentionally bring their political and personal biases in here with the intent to discourage or insult other users by association will be warned and eventually banned if they continue. this applies across the board, and has been enforced across all spectrums. common sense applies, so looking for loopholes or extreme polarities will only end in crying.

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Originally Posted by Quid

Why? I mean, I am the last to instigate any hatred or a crusade against anyone but shouldn't he have the 'right' to say it? It certainly is ignorant and unrealistic but not have the right to say it?...

Quid

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Well theres's Democracy folks, i will say no more tho and abide by your rules:bow:

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Originally Posted by solypsist

you would. is this what you are saying? i will take No Response to this reply as a "Yes," and will proceed shortly.

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what? are you telling me that of all the outlandish shit that is said in the backroom, including, in this very thread, panzer insinuating (to put it mildly) muslims are subhumans that should be driven out (to put it mildly) of europe, that ragnar can't say he hates muslims or christians or jews or blacks or whatever?

shit man, he's not even calling for genocide.. what's the big deal?

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i have yet to see any complaint threads like OMG they're soo isolationist!!!* or OMG these Christians are teaching fundamentalist stuff in teh college!! why?!?!?!

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O Rly? you must have missed threads like my "America's Taliban" thread then, Which redleg loved so much, and which could more or less be boiled down to "OMG these Christians are teaching fundamentalist stuff in teh college!!"

Sorry, Soly, but you are off target on that one.

Ok, I will have to accept your reasoning, of course. On the other hand, there have been much more disgusting comments made on these boards just recently. I am, of course, unaware of any bans or warnings but would it not stand to reason that someone making such comments even on these boards is honest and 'straight out' with their opinions as opposed to others who disguise their feelings towards groups of people or individuals?

Quid

Ps: I will start putting my quotes in the end of what I have to say also. Sort of looks better.

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Originally Posted by solypsist

you can say it, you just can't say it on here.

keep in mind this is an international gaming board and the idea here is to welcome Total War players from all different backgrounds and nationalities. anyone who publicly states that he/she categorically hates any particular representative group is not the kind of person we want in here. users who intentionally bring their political and personal biases in here with the intent to discourage or insult other users by association will be warned and eventually banned if they continue. this applies across the board, and has been enforced across all spectrums. common sense applies, so looking for loopholes or extreme polarities will only end in crying.

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Well it just shows that these forums allow no form of right win political ideas ive seen it time and time again when anyone who expresses their right wing believes that the mods and other members raise all hell about it just because it does not agreee with their opinions.

But we are very far off topic now..

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Originally Posted by King Ragnar

Well it just shows that these forums allow no form of right win political ideas ive seen it time and time again when anyone who expresses their right wing believes that the mods and other members raise all hell about it just because it does not agreee with their opinions.

But we are very far off topic now..

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:inquisitive: so, you've missed all the ridiculous posts made by rabbit, dave, fragony, et al from time immemorial? come on, don't get all hyperbolic because a mod jumps on you for your intolerance. many "right wingers" around here wouldn't claim your (unofficial) POV on muslims as "right wing" anyway.

Well there iit is again, you call them 'ridiculous' just because it does not agree with your opinion, and no i probably havent seen some of their posts as im not on here everyday , because i know if i posted my opinions on some of the threads i would be banned because its using my right of 'freedom of speech', because thats not allowed anymore unless its politically correct, which is a joke.

If I recall correctly, a statement of "Americans are retards" was the impetus of a perma-ban...

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Originally Posted by King Ragnar

Well there iit is again, you call them 'ridiculous' just because it does not agree with your opinion, and no i probably havent seen some of their posts as im not on here everyday , because i know if i posted my opinions on some of the threads i would be banned because its using my right of 'freedom of speech', because thats not allowed anymore unless its politically correct, which is a joke.

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First, this is a private board so 'freedom of speech' doesn't apply. Second, you're British, so you don't have a constitution that guarantees you any such rights even if they did apply.

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Originally Posted by King Ragnar

Well there iit is again, you call them 'ridiculous' just because it does not agree with your opinion, and no i probably havent seen some of their posts as im not on here everyday , because i know if i posted my opinions on some of the threads i would be banned because its using my right of 'freedom of speech', because thats not allowed anymore unless its politically correct, which is a joke.

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i call them rediculous because that's how i feel about them. however, my opinion isn't law here. the conservatives on this board can and do call "liberal" posts rediculous all the time. so what? this is not against the rules of posting (in the backroom at least, afaik).

there is no "freedom of speech" here. haven't you read the forum posting rules? as has been explained again and again, this is not some sort of democracy where everyone can say what they want. if you step out of bounds, you get penalized. my problem is that you were threatened with a ban for asking a question (though, to be fair, it was a round-about way of getting your intolerance out there). now i can understand a warning.. but a ban? when worse has already been said by non-banned members in this same thread? i'm just curious about the double-standard i perceive. maybe i just don't know the rules that well either.

Just in case we are all getting too emotional about the Mass of Muslims, this might help to balance some views:

British soldier killed in Afganistan.

Another dead and for what ? Nothing, just helping others instead of helping our selves
*shakes head in disgust*

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Another dead and for what ? Nothing, just helping others instead of helping our selves
*shakes head in disgust*

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What would you have the British do, leave Afghanistan for what it is ?

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Originally Posted by King Ragnar

Another dead and for what ? Nothing, just helping others instead of helping our selves
*shakes head in disgust*

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Did you read the article? How does it reconcile with your earlier statement?

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Originally Posted by King Ragnar

I wonder would i get banned from the forums if i said that i hate muslims and dont want any in Britian?

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Well i didnt read it because when it said 'British' i assumed it was a British Person not a muslim, he isnt British to me although i suppose it it a loss as he was fighting for Britian..

And to Dutch Guy i would have us leave immediatley as i dont care what they do in that country as long as it doesnt involve us.

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Originally Posted by King Ragnar

Well there iit is again, you call them 'ridiculous' just because it does not agree with your opinion, and no i probably havent seen some of their posts as im not on here everyday , because i know if i posted my opinions on some of the threads i would be banned because its using my right of 'freedom of speech', because thats not allowed anymore unless its politically correct, which is a joke.

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Oh, the poor right-winger who wants to physically oppress others and then whines about his freedom-of-speech being oppressed, how moving...:dizzy2:

As soly already said this is a private board and the owner can make rules as he pleases, similar to how the muslims can make the rules on their private event, if you don´t like the rules, noone forces you to go there.

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Well i didnt read it because when it said 'British' i assumed it was a British Person not a muslim, he isnt British to me although i suppose it it a loss as he was fighting for Britian..

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wow.

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Originally Posted by King Ragnar

Well i didnt read it because when it said 'British' i assumed it was a British Person not a muslim, he isnt British to me although i suppose it it a loss as he was fighting for Britian..

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That's OK. I realise that irrational prejudice is hard like sums, especially with that nasty reality thing.

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Originally Posted by English assassin

I think we are allowed to be a little worried when 13% of our muslim fellow countrymen think that the 7/7 bombers were "martyrs", no? That's 13% of 1.6 million, a whopping 208,000 people. Can we, yunno, at least talk about this? Or is that too illiberal.

Lets try this thought experiment: 13% of white britons believe anyone who shoots unarmed muslim citizens dead is a hero. Cue outrage.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...254764,00.html

And yes, I can read the figures showing that a fair proportion of muslims have a heathier attitude. That, and the idea of muslim theme pubs in 200 years time, will be a great comfort to me when my children are gassed on the tube by one of the "few bad apples".

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Thats pretty damning numbers there.