It's still used today. Just look at the layers of a kevlar vest, again diamond shaped quilting. It was used throughout most of history, why would it have suddenly disapeared from crete for a few centuries?Quote:
Originally Posted by Watchman
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It's still used today. Just look at the layers of a kevlar vest, again diamond shaped quilting. It was used throughout most of history, why would it have suddenly disapeared from crete for a few centuries?Quote:
Originally Posted by Watchman
Sir, that is baseless conjecture.
It does occur to me in passing that even if "lino" became fashionable during that period, it is extremely unlikely the tried-and-true quilt woud have entirely disappeared - it would just have been used by those who couldn't afford the more fashionable lino, or just preferred the old stuff. Sort of like how not everyone can afford, or wants to use, brand-name sneakers. And naturally if lino was the more-or-less dominant form of body armour, and the choice of about all soldiers of some means, it follows that it would have very much stolen the limelight in most pictorial sources.
your just being a troll now. :thumbsdown:Quote:
Originally Posted by MeinPanzer
good way to win an argument, make personal attacks....
I think we all agree that we will never agree on anything of significance on this matter (or anything else, including our integrity, as it seems), so I'm gonna ask for a mod to just lock this thread, and you meinpanzer to drop the discussion and leave the *this* forum as you've said you would in the past.
You're welcome to come back when we can clearly see that you have changed in attitude (even if you don't perceive your current one as bad), until then let's agree for once, that it's better to be in different rooms. Think of it as beta fish.
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That is not a nice result of a "small question".:no: I have reread the entire thread and the personal comments were started and used much more from some of the EB side. Perhaps the result of bad experience but not that convincing.
I can understand that some questions from the one side are painful for the EB team because there is a certain lack of evidence and the interpretation of the given evidence is highly subjective. meinPanzers fault seems to be in my opinion to dismiss that the interpretaion of the EB team is as "scientific" as his. EB has arguments to use that form of armour. There are arguments against it; and btw it is very interesting and educative to get presented the sharp questions in the form meinPanzer used.
If I have to judge it it is acceptable to use this armour; I'm convinced despite first doubts (not that that would be important). The fault of some EB team members seems to be not to point at the interpretational character enough but to complain about the remaining questions. You don't have to convince everybody. Let the public judge the arguments.:2thumbsup:
Well, let me state what happened from my end. I have shown a pic, this one,Quote:
Originally Posted by geala
https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/...ythianssr0.jpg
showing an Indo-saka in quilted "diamond" cuirass. Now, when I posted that sometime ago, MP said that he had in fact seen better looking friezes, and that they were out of our timeframe (since Indosaka only enter the region where this frieze was found in about 80 BCE).
At this point I stopped caring, as I could obviously answer MP with the obvious..."So, what cuirass did they use back on the steppe, when they had no-body to make a frieze depicting them, linothorax? ", and he would probably answer that we have no pictorial or otherwise depiction of them in the steppe wearing quilted armor, etc.
We answer the questions we are asked to the best of our ability, yet the answer is never enough, (when it should) or the question changes.
This continuous denial doesn't feel like a constructive discussion to me. In a discussion both sides must be prepared to change their views if proven wrong. I have many times done so in the past, and probably also in the future. None of us is 100% right, as we are all Human (Bartix Family members excluded). Thus, we must allow for our mistakes, or to be proven wrong.
Heh.Quote:
Originally Posted by geala
MeinPanzer didn't start the personal attacks, but looking at his first comment, I believe he was asking for it.
It really depends on what you consider a personal attack. I consider a personal attack having my research being called baseless conjecture, as do most most members. Especially when some of these guys do this stuff for a living, and have been working on the mod for years now, with no personal gain.
Calling us unwilling to make changes is just plain lying. Iberia has become the Lusitani, the Sweboz have had changes to the entire roster twice, some Hellenic units have been completely reskinned , the Yuehzi have been dropped in favour of the Saka and the list goes on...
And it's not like this is the first thread where this has happened. Wether you think of it as a personal attack is irrelevant, we do, and at a danger of sounding like an ass, that's all that matters.
help! help! im being repressed!!:laugh4:
Don't worry. We don't blame you for the death of the Yuezhi. We don't... *Sharpening the knife*Quote:
Originally Posted by antiochus epiphanes
Sometimes I wish the pimp my ride of game modding could come along and help EB . What could you dudes do with an extra 20 people to help you with modelling , scripting and such .
You do realize that would mean the return of pink Parthians. Maybe Casse would get a little more bling, Sweboz might be more gothic and Yuezhi would return with their crazy kung fu. That would be a great mini-mod though... :wacko:Quote:
Originally Posted by russia almighty