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:stwmean: Master LittleGrizzly-san always advocated patience: Do not seek the victory, let it find you...
Vote: abstain, courteously :bow:
Challenge: Reenk Roink
:stwmean: Master also advised us to exploit loopholes... Self-challenge is the most important battle one must fight and also guarantees victory...
You're making me look bad, Sprig. Do I need to vote you so you stop being my knight in shining armor? :)
challenge: Death Is Yonder
vote: Beskar
I don't like that comment I questioned, even if the "they" refers to the sensible thing.
You should have challenged him, win and his vote wouldn't count.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
Yeah, I thought about challenging Renata but my evil twin makes a better target.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
He'd already challenged someone.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
Sprig, are you suggesting you want some kind of CHALLENGE!!!!!!!
challenge: Sprig
Vote: Renata
SCUM.
Jeez, these ninjas suck out loud. :laugh4:
hhmhmmmmm. I need to get on this Challenging scene. :idea2:
Challenge: Renata
for being the first person to post in the round :beam:
Vote: Yaseikhaan. :shrug:
Vote: GeneralHankerchief
I unclog my nose at you.
Alright, now I feel real sore for being the only one to die so far. Geez.
Also, didn't it seem like ATPG was uncharacteristically "silly" and joking in regards to almost being lynched?
Though the write-ups don't seem like his - though he could have had his partner write them up.
CR
Pah. Cowardly.
The last time I did writeups during a game (and the ONLY time, might I add) was the Fight for Inishmore, where I intentionally disguised my own style and did all the writeups. The writeups were totally, totally lame and boring. That is why they weren't traced back to me.
I wouldn't pass off the honor of doing my writeups onto anyone besides myself. And I'm also done with hiding my style. If you see a long, humorous or particularly gory writeup, that would be me.
NO.Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
No, I want a fight :smash:Quote:
Originally Posted by Double A
You can't argue with that :no:Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
I don't have the time to check if I am alive or not.
I am at my friends now, and I'm off to Hiroshima this afternoon.
I should be able to gain internet access from then onwards, but I'm not too sure.
That is the reason for my temporary inactivity.
Well, since are are talking about "confirmed innocents", wouldn't the Mafia try to make sure 'they' died? I mean, that is pretty basic stuff. Though however, Pizzaguy did mention the benefits of this happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
Your post makes no sense.Quote:
I don't like that comment I questioned, even if the "they" refers to the sensible thing.
I'm running late tonight and can't post writeups/pictures for the duels, sorry.
Sigurd vs Andres
Andres Wins
Sprig Vs Double A
Double A wins
Reenk vs Reenk
Reenk wins
Renata vs Death is Yonder
Renata Wins
Reenk better not actually get an increase of stats out of that. Though the image of him fighting himself is hilarious. :laugh4:Quote:
Reenk vs Reenk
Reenk wins
Vote: ATPG
Challenge: ATPG
So, since Reenk lost, he can't post for 24 hours right? :clown:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
CR
:laugh4:
Hold on, I'm not done unclogging my nose at you.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
*Mighty sneeze, followed by some rather disgusting honking noises.*
OOooh. You might want to just throw that one away. Yikes. I guess I must have had a nosebleed or.... snorted a pig fetus or something.
[EXPLETIVE]!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
23 hours and counting ... ... ...
Nahnahnah!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd
Vote : Sigurd
You can't defend yourself!
Vote: Andres
Tkaing advantage of Sigurd not being able to defend himself :tongue:
Darn it :stare:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Mighty suspicious.
17 more hours :yes:
Beskar --
I had some issues with that post of yours. People come out making arguments (accurate ones) for why it is particularly good for Townies to make real votes in this game (on both an individual and a Go-Team basis), and your immediate reaction is to try to find problems with that idea. I find that extremely suspicious in itself. Then we add to that the fact that the substance of your objection, as ATPG has already pointed out, is questionable at best.
The Ninjas may be allowed to attack each other -- Sasaki hasn't clarified. They may or may not risk actually dying if they try that. OK, there are some unknowns here. But the absolute worst case is that we must take the "confirmed Townie" pool with a slight grain of salt. But this isn't any win-win for the Ninjas. To attack one another (if it's allowed), they must:
-- give up a potential Townie kill that night
-- perhaps risk the attacked Ninja dying
-- leave enough of the actual confirmed Townies alive to provide cover for their mole
All of these things are good for Town. And your other objection, that they might want to go after the confirmed to remove them from the pool -- well of course they will, but given we can only have those confirmed in the first place if the Ninjas fail their kills, this is also good for Town. And that comes right back to the base point -- the best odds to GET confirmed Townies in the first place is for Townies to put their votes on Ninjas (in addition to all the other ways to gain points).
It's unquestionably a pro-Town suggestion, and your first instinct was to pooh-pooh it. That reads Scum to me, the first really good lead we've had. So I voted you. I don't anticipate changing it.
ATPG seems to be and I am, sick of him being instantly pro town. Treat him no differently than any other player. :no:
I doubt they can attack each other. Anyone else remember rules in this line in other Sasaki games?
I'm not, actually, though I suppose I should say so explicitly. Mafia love to make "pro-Town" suggestions, if they think it won't hurt them too much. But that can go either way. Beskar's response, on the other hand, is much more likely to come from a Ninja than a Townie.Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
So is what you are doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
Everyone has their own playstyles, and with Holmes being a big factor back in the day for quite a few of us longer term players, we know we can't stick to a playstyle.
Mafia try to appear as townies, low risk style. Going out and attacking people draws attention, but possibly draws attention away from you later.
I don't see what he has done as scummy.
I'm off to get some sleep, I get audited at work in... 9 hours.
On the contrary, I think it's one of the most Scummy things out there. Someone makes a pro-Town suggestion, and you (that is, Beskar) go "but but but ... flail about with lousy reasoning" ... that's supposed to be not Scummy?
Anyway, I made the mistake of giving that sort of behavior a pass in a recent game, thinking Mafia would at be at least a little cautious about opposing suggestions that are clearly in Town's interest, and I was wrong. Not letting it pass a second time.
:bigcry:Quote:
The person defeated in combat must rest to heal their wounds, and cannot post for 24 hours or until the end of the day phase, whichever is longer.
Vote: Beskar
I support Renata! :clown:
Vote: Renata
SCUM
2 wins in 2 days for Renata... you can say that again... Mighty suspicious :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Death is yonder
Need to brush up your math skills, you two?
You know there is a actually a line, there is disagreeing with some one then there is trying to insult them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
I draw a massive fallacy in your argument, any sane Mafia would kill (or in this game, attempt) to kill any confirmed innocents straight away, because lets be honest, get to late game and you got those "confirmed innocents" and the "unknown", the Mafia would instantly be in hot water. Thus, your whole idea of a "Confirmed Town" will not be there (hence the flaw).
It isn't lousy reasoning or "but but but". It is more pointing out the big flaw in your plan. Sorry that pointing out this flaw hurt your master plan but really... Askthepizzaguy however did raise some good points, about even if the Mafia did do that, there would be certain advantages to it, this is called a "positive contribution" to the discussion, opposed to attacking some one.
I then agreed to his points and conceded to it, which was another way at looking at the situation (opposed to the one you suggested). Ergo, using your point and by the criticism and discussion that followed, we actually do as a town, have a good basis and point which puts the Ninja in a really awkward position.
Now for alternative hypothesis, are you a Ninja trying to prey on what you might perceive as an easy target using a flawed reasoning of your own as a basis, or is it more of a personal vendetta?
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by atheotes
Given players of roughly equal skill, as we all start off as, in a duel one of them wins and one of them loses (or in Reenk's case, both). Coming off of the 50/50 win, she may have a slightly better duel score and thus have slightly better than 50/50 odds.
When you flip a coin and it lands on "heads" twice in a row, is it odd in any way? No... nor would it be if it happened 5 times in a row. That's the thing about flipping a coin; the result is not totally predictable. It doesn't go "heads, tails, heads, tails". Sometimes there are streaks, and it is all perfectly normal.
Vote however you please; the coin flip evidence doesn't make for a good bit of reasoning though.
Ha ha!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd
:bounce:
Vote: Beskar blah.
I will be pretty frank ("Hello Frank!"),
I am tired and been up over 24 hours and I am going to bed. While there are people I am more interested in voting on, I don't really have much to go on (for incidence, some really susipicious overly suck-up posts, feel free to look back for them).
As the long has a chance of ending soon, and it is pretty late to start a case, and when my own participation in the game is on the line itself, I am going for this vote. If the round doesn't end, I will most likely make a case against another target this morning/afternoon my time when I wake-up.
Vote: Renata
As a posted earlier, either a Ninja trying to divert susipicion from themselves, or personal vendetta due to pointing out a flaw in the original argument or some variation between the two. It was interesting to see gross misinterpretation of what occurred, and a complete malformation of what was said, in efforts to try to get me lynched. So I can only suspect a suspicious agenda.
Unvote: Beskar
Vote: Abstain
My vote was hasty, I have no problems with you, bandwaggoning was a bad idea, especially after having seen only one vote.
unvote, vote: johnhughthom
You're triggering my "TevashSzat" indicator. (Lack of controversy = scum, Godfather III)
CONTROVERSY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There you go.
One would think after your day hiatus from posting you'd be more talkative. Especially since you're paying attention to the thread.
Nothing much to say.:shrug:
Oh, and I voted Renata giving no reasoning, pretty controversial in my view.
:anxious: :lipsrsealed2:
First, if I insulted you, I am really sorry. I realize you don't know me at all yet, but I don't try to make it habit to try to do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Okay, here's what you actually wrote, in response to the two comments by ATPG and me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
This was in response to both of us arguing that abstention made no sense for Townies in this game. We gave multiple reasons for that, which boiled down to: votes for Ninjas give you points; points help you survive kill attempts; survived kill attempts help Town.Quote:
Then the Mafia would obviously exploit this by feigning kills on each other or by making sure they get killed.
Whatever the flaw in the details of what I said, the basic concept is solid. Actual votes (as opposed to absentions) help Town by increasing the number of Townie votes placed on Ninjas. In turn that makes it harder for them to kill us, which could make a big difference over time, in several ways. Yet you didn't acknowledge that aspect at all; you just pointed out a perceived flaw in one possible consequence.
That's what I'm objecting to, what I find scummy. A pro-Town suggestion was made (pro-Town regardless of whether I'm right or not about confirmed Town), and your snap reaction was to characterize one aspect of it (incorrectly, as ATPG pointed out) as something Mafia could exploit, never even addressing the core of it.
I'll just point out that you never said anything about ATPG's points being good ones until after I had voted you, which was a pretty decent time lag. Here's what you said then:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Calling this agreement and concession is a bit of a stretch, but OK.Quote:
Well, since are are talking about "confirmed innocents", wouldn't the Mafia try to make sure 'they' died? I mean, that is pretty basic stuff. Though however, Pizzaguy did mention the benefits of this happening.
Regarding the confirmed Town thing, by the way, I'll concede you're right to an extent. The Ninjas will, if they're smart, try to remove as many "survivors" as they can. It's not impossible they'll be able to get them all, at any given time. But they do already have two on their hands, which means if they want to get rid of them, their choices for this phase are already constrained. That's good for us. This time it was apparently down to sheer horrible luck on the Ninjas' part. Down the road it might be the success of Townie voting that makes the difference.
Beskar, honestly, how could I have a personal vendetta against you? I don't even know you! As for the other part, it isn't the case, but there's really nothing I can say about that. People will have to judge for themselves if it looks more opportunistic or more reasoned. But seriously -- vendetta?Quote:
Now for alternative hypothesis, are you a Ninja trying to prey on what you might perceive as an easy target using a flawed reasoning of your own as a basis, or is it more of a personal vendetta?
Beskar and Renata are totally scum-buddies.
Vote: ATPG
For that WIFOM he used about three phases ago. :clown:
Ack, I just realized I forgot to do the riddle for today. Will be one tomorrow.
For the last riddle:
The driver was the conscious, the horses were the unconscious, and the man's father was the conscience.
Some people got part of it, but not the whole thing.
I don't get it :dizzy2:
Yeah, I didn't give any frame of reference :beam:
~:wave:
Correction:Quote:
Beskar and Renata are totally scum-buddies.
Vote: ATPG
For that WIFOM he used about three phases ago.
Beskar and Renata and I are totally scum buddies.
the 2 wins in 2 days post was in jest... i believe DIY meant it the same way as well... if i was serious about it i would have voted :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
hmm... now i have to consider the fact that you jumped to someone' defense even though there was no vote...hmm...:juggle2:
Vote: Sprig.... I have no clear choices to vote on... Sprig is a replacement player and on the off-chance that he is ninja i might get some points...:bow:
No! No don't vote Sprig what has he ever done to you???
Hahaha.
your sarcasm has not gone unnoticed :clown:Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
:lipsrsealed2:
I thought it was me, Renata and Czargo?Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Oh wait... nevermind, you was trying to do a joke. Silly me.
Can I change my mind and say I like you now? :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
Though, I would like to say, people have gone on a personal vendetta against me on far less. :no: Some people would want to kill you and your entire family, just for placing a vote against them, then try to get you first-round killed in other games because of it. They are really disturbing and messed up people.
But to your other comment, yes, abstaining is a really stupid idea, though I have to be honest, do the Mafia get points for voting eachother? I would automatically presume a no, but it would be funny to watch the Mafia go about voting for each other in all the rounds, to power themselves up.
vote:Beskar
i am tending to belive renata's reasoning
Renata: 4 (johnhughthom,pevergreen,yaseikhaan,Beskar)
beskar: 3 (Renata,shlin,sithlord)
pizza: 2 (GH,chaotix)
johnhughthom: 1 (sprig,pizza)
khaan: 1 (tratorix)
sigurd: 1 (andres(
andres: 1 (CA)
sprig: 1 (atheotes)
abstain: 2 (reenk,split)
Not voting: (DiY,Sigurd,AVSM,Beefy,CDF,khazaar,scottishranger)
It seems Renata and Beskar had a disagreement. In the end, more people were on Beskar's side, and Renata was brought before the old man to have the symbol painted on her forehead.
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Andres was strolling the outskirts of the temple, when he heard the rustling of bushes behind him. Andres smiled and simply spoke “I have been waiting for you.”, the man following him was caught slightly off-guard, but regained posture and took out his sword.
Andres turned around and saw him “Ah... I never have expected you, looks like your rush for revenge has gotten the better of you.” Andres stood up-right, extending one of his arms and placing the other behind his back, ready to face his opponent.
The other man looked a little weaker, and sweating at his forehead, but he managed to plunk up the courage, to do what is right. He spoke loudly towards Andres “My name is Sasaki Kojiro, you killed my father. Prepare to die.”
Andres lunged forward at his would be assassin, and ‘Sasaki’ raised his sword to guard, however, it was a FEINT! Andres quickly turns and runs away from his attacker. ‘Sasaki’ gives chase, following after Andres, as he kept running towards the temple.
Andres was halfway there, until he flew forwards, tripping over a rope. He looked up seeing a dark shadow of what appeared to be an eight legged spider. He turns around and ends up confronting ‘Sasaki’ again. “I say again...” ‘Sasaki’ begun “My name is Sasaki Kojiro. You killed my father. Prepare to die!”
Fight broke out between ‘Sasaki’ and Andres, it was clearly an equal battle, the difference in skill this time was evened out due to the presence of the sword. ‘Sasaki’ goes in with a right-hand slash, which was dodged by Andres, ‘Sasaki’ quickly changes blade hands, to make a finishing blow, but the switch was his fatal mistake, Andres was too skilful to fall for such a simple trick and kicked ‘Sasaki’ backwards onto the ground. Andres goes over and kicks the sword out of his hand, and puts his foot on ‘Sasaki’s windpipe. Andres proclaimed “You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders” looking at the horror in his defeated opponents eyes “Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line! Ha ha ha ha ahhh!”
Andres tricks to pick himself up, and runs around, he again sees the shadow of what appeared to be a giant spider. “You guessed wrong”, the shadow spoke, and as Andres eyes focused on the face of the creature, the vision of the cruel eye and wicked grin on the face struck him at the very core of his being. “No... it can’t be...”, the grin on the face got wider as he rips the robes Andres' is wearing with his blades, leaving a bloody kanji on Andres’ chest.
Andres awoke later in his bed, sweating. He fell backwards, relieved it was a dream, however as he began to get up, he felt a searing pain in his chest, he looked down. Today was no dream.
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Sprig was also killed, no writeup.
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Still playing(21):
GeneralHankerchief
A Very Super Market
Tratorix
CountArach
pevergreen
Yaseikhaan
Beefy
Death is Yonder
CDF
johnhughthom
Sigurd
shlin
atheotes
Beskar
Khazaar
Sithlord
Reenk
scottishranger
Askthepizzaguy
Chaotix
Double A
split
Voted as guilty(3):
Csargo
TinCow
Renata
Ninja'd(3):
Crazed Rabbit
Andres
Sprig
Day will end tomorrow (Friday) at 4:00 pm EDT.
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The kung fu master raps his spoon on the table to get everyone's attention. He asks a student:
:stwmean: What makes a wise man?
Frogs and snails and puppy dog tails.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Vote: Beskar
A Y chromosone.
Vote: ATPG
Challenge: ATPG
Vote: Chaotix
Five non-votes and two abstentions? I'm disappointed.
If there are any connections between the people I voted and the people who voted for me or encouraged doing so, Town might want to look into it. I had two duel wins and a riddle victory, plus had voted three people (CDF, Double A, Beskar) in situations where I would get two points if they were Ninjas. I must have been near the point lead among Townies if that was the case, if not in it.
Plus, there's Beskar himself. Still scummy there.
His mother and father.Quote:
What makes a wise man?
Challenge: Double A
Challenge: Khazaar
When realises he knows nothing.Quote:
What makes a wise man?
I could have said, haha Andres... but that would just be un-townie like.
The Andres kill made references from the old film The Princess Bride. I remember seeing it back in 87. It is a classic though and who among us (besides me) could have seen it?
And there are three ninjas left as they kill 2.
vote: ATPG
I would have voted you last round. Call it a gut feeling.
It's very common for people in the gameroom to reference that film. It could be anyone here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd
Gut fails again! :laugh4:Quote:
vote: ATPG
I would have voted you last round. Call it a gut feeling.
The write-up clearly demonstrates there was a kill, but no write-up for that kill. However, if you look, one of the kills were clearly written-up, so presumingly, the kills were done by different individuals. As Renata also mentions, there were 5 people who did not vote. Going on a limb, presume those people were busy, they might not have had time to do a write-up or simply cannot be bothered. Beefy187 for incidence once claimed never to do write-up's due to his grammar and non-native English, but is currently away. AVSM on the otherhand has been on the forum in his own game for incidence, but again, is known for simply not caring. CDF hasn't been around, so I will just presume he is busy and reason why no vote for him, Khazaar always lurks. As for scottishranger, other than two kills attempts and surviving both, he otherwise has not been a mention at all in the thread.
From the list of names, I would suspect AVSM and Khazaar the most. Since there is solid prove AVSM has been around (his own minimafia), I would take the gamble on him.
Vote: AVSM
one who listens to the wise masterQuote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Wisdom and his, uh, manhood.Quote:
What makes a wise man?
oh... I could have sworn I voted :sweatdrop: sorry guys. I am still here, just have a lot on my plate and other things tend to take precedence over this.
:furious3:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
It is a classic in the USA, and widely watched and known among even those just born in 1987.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd
CR
Could be worse, Sprig. At least you were "killed" by actual Ninjas. In my case it was probably most Town.
I was going to crazy roleplay about wanting revenge for my fallen lady as well !!! it was going to be fun :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata