Imprisonment, rather than plain exile, would be a much more rational view to dealing with me. Imprison: ArpeggiateTHIS.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
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Imprisonment, rather than plain exile, would be a much more rational view to dealing with me. Imprison: ArpeggiateTHIS.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
A messenger carries a note:
:stupido:
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Dwarves of Orzammar:
I suggest you take a look at the one called Chaotix, his words, and his actions, during last round, and consider what I told you. I would suggest nothing but an all out vote for execution for him. The one they call civplayah is worth looking at too.
As for my weapons, I'd give them to none among you as punishment for your stinginess. However, I guess Double A could borrow them to help against the Darkspawn. I will recollect them after the Darkspawn are defeated.
Imprisoning ArpeggiateTHIS seems very useless, if you are truly concerned about him, simply have him blocked again at night, that is to say IF the blocker wasn't working for the Darkspawn themselves...
P.S: To atone for your sins, please raise 20 gold and a trinket of value, and have it aside for me when I triumphantly return after you have defeated the Darkspawn.
Arpeg, what's the in-game purpose of this bride thing, given you wanted me to be it?
It's just a minor victory condition, and I picked you completely randomly. I'm supposed to be looking for a spouse to marry, and I can investigate one player per night to see if they're female or not. If they are female, I'm supposed to be able to set up a romance of sorts. That's all I know at the moment, at least until I find a fair lady, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
Female, or female noble Mr THIS?
Actually, wouldn't that be the other way round, as in you know if they are male or not, and you are a Noble Hunter?
Noble Hunters aren't looking for somebody to marry. I don't think a commoner is allowed to marry a noble, which is why I asked the question.
Noble Hunters are looking to make offspring of the Noble, in order to improve their own status, money, etc, etcQuote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
That's your interpretation, though... just sayin'.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
I'd encourage whoever locked up ArpThis last night to do so again, but I think the group of us should do something else. I don't have much in terms of leads right now, so I'm going to follow the legionnaire's instinct and say Imprison: Chaotix.
Depending upon the person, the romance may or may not succeed. I think you are right, it is a female noble or perhaps paragon that I seek, not a mere commoner.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
Not through marriage though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Good idea. Unvote, Imprison: ChaotixQuote:
Originally Posted by autolycus
Vote: Chaotix
I said so last round. Now that Reenk says so as well, I'll actually push this. Chaotix is guilty, guilty, guilty. Arp may or may not be coincidence, but Chaotix definitely acted scummy.
Mid-Day Update
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In the Throne Room of the Royal Palace...
While the king's guests are discussing the events of the previous night and their current suspicions, it appears that a rumour has been busy meandering around Orzammar; it finally reaches the throne room via two guards chatting away to one another.
"Did you hear about that ArpeggiateTHIS fella? He's lookin' for love! Steady on, lasses!"
Ohh, those two are in trouble if Mr THIS overhears them calling him Arpeggiate...
I assure you, I have no intentions of turning into one of those PEVERGREEN characters. Call me what you want :3Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
In other news, I've sold my Dwarven Shortsword. It should appear in the shop next round. Oh, and I'm now weaponless, so I'll be taking you all on with my bare hands, just like true warriors should.
Now why would you sell the sword, you're only weapon? /peeks at items for sale....Quote:
Originally Posted by ArpeggiateTHIS
Because I don't like things that go bump in the night, that's why.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yaseikhaan
EDIT: Oh, and to prove that I'm telling the truth about the whole axe thing.
I hate to be the one to tell you this, but it won't prove anything. I hope you got some decent coin for it.
How so?Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
Tell me how it does so we can shoot down your assumptions.
I'll post it in steps, so you can tell me exactly which step I got wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
1. I began life as a dwarf with a dwarven shortsword (and armour, but that strays off my point).
2. The mafia attempted a kill with an axe.
3. A sword is not an axe.
4. If I sell my sword, it will appear in the shop next turn for everybody to see.
5. Since the start of the game, there has not been any dwarven shortswords passed through the shop. Therefore we can assume that the sword I am claiming to have sold has existed since the start of the game.
6. It is totally irrational to assume that a player would start with two different weapons. A rogue might, but I'd expect them to start with two daggers.
Where'd I stray off the righteous path, m'lord?
When all else fails, state the obvious, huh? :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by ArpeggiateTHIS
Don't take that entirely seriously. The point stands though, selling your sword proves nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArpeggiateTHIS
Or if you're a master at double-handed weapons, you could start out with a short sword AND an axe.
(Beserkers are awesome)
Lets go with Imprison: Chaotix.
Not like we have any better leads really.
Vote: ArpeggiateTHIS
I was the one who threw him in the jailhouse as a hunch, and it seems my hunch is likely correct. I am less-inclined to believe his excuses than others, as I am sure the intruders will have a cover role anyway.
For those of you voting me, you now know why I was acting "scummy". The reason I do not want us to imprison players with the lynch is because it renders my own ability, as a Guardian of the Law, useless. Figure this: had Reenk been imprisoned last night, and I had still chosen to imprison ArpeggiateTHIS, we would not know which one was prevented from killing. Because we lynched him, I now know for sure that unless the killer has made a wild, unpredictable move, Arpeg is our culprit.
We know Reenk was innocent. I did not want to exile him, but it was better than imprisoning him, the only other option. I had planned to jail him myself and get Arpeg lynched yesterday, but that didn't work out.
As far as I can tell, the mafia had no idea such an ability as mine existed. They would therefore have no reason to refrain from killing after an exile. That's why I believe Arpeg is our culprit.
If I'm going to let Arpeg off, I'm going to need a FULL role reveal from him, including his name. And if I decide to believe his story, then we can test it manually: I, Guardian Darev, happen to be a female dwarf of the Noble Caste.
Chaotix, your ability is far from useless if we imprison someone while you imprison another. If a murder occurs, having 2 people in jail means that both cannot have done it. How useless is that?
You're looking at it the wrong way: trying to find who's guilty, when roleblocks should be mostly used to know who's innocent.
I think we can only have one imprisonment at a time.
I don't think so JHT. Read again what Chaotix wrote:Quote:
I think we can only have one imprisonment at a time.
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Originally Posted by Chaotix
I think you're correct Romanic, I interpreted it erroneously first time. Though Chaotix' reasoning is strange, if we imprison two people at a time we are more likely to catch somebody, I would rather have two suspects than none.
We haven't heard from God Emperor in a while... vote: God Emperor
All right. I see the sense in Romanic's suggestions. I'll take this into account in the future.
However, I'd still like to see Arpeg with his full reveal.
And I'd also appreciate some of the votes coming off of me.
... very well. Unvote: Chaotix
Vote: God Emperor
For now, anyways. I have a hunch that this deal with Arp is either accident or setup.
For some balance reasons, mainly due to the fact that Warriors can near enough do everything Rogues can in the games, I've made some distinctions between Rogues & Warriors:Quote:
Originally Posted by Double A
Warriors wear heavier armour, can wield two-handed weapons and can use shields.
Rogues wear lighter armour, can dual-wield and can use bows.
There is a distinction in this game between innocents, who all pursue the same goal of neutralising the mafia, and neutrals, who pursue their own unique victory conditions; Reenk was not innocent... or he wouldn't have abandoned his old life to become a legionnaire. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Chaotix
Vote: Mr.This
For pressure, nothing more, nothing less.
If chaotix accepts your story, I shall move my vote.
You want a full reveal? Have I not already given you enough?Quote:
Originally Posted by spL1tp3r50naL1ty
A full reveal would likely get me killed anyway, Secura has hinted that some players might have certain "agendas" to remove me.
I would like to outright state I have no intent to kill anyone as part of any victory conditions.
I'm sure you'd not take my word for it however...
So chaotix claims roleblocker, to make sure that he doesn´t get voted off... Vote: ArepeggiateTHIS
This was also stated. I think what Secura meant was that victory conditions will change.Quote:
Originally Posted by spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Can you not just throw me in jail?Quote:
Originally Posted by Khazaar
Oh, and I will reveal if that is what general consensus would have me do. Or if it saves my skin. I'm just not happy that it would come to this.
Unvote;
I'm not wanting a bandwaggon here, just pressure.
There has to be a majority. And the others have voted lynch against you, currently it doesn´t look very good, but there´s still time...Quote:
Originally Posted by ArpeggiateTHIS
Imprision: Mr.This
An attempt to change your fate, I'd prefer you given time, and the benefit of the doubt for now.
Imprison Chaotix
I honestly think Mr This has given a rather fine roleclaim, that I find it wierd Chaotix won't let go of the idea that Mr This is a guilty person. Also Secura seemed to back up some of the things Mr This said?
Yes I am sorry for my minor participation, but I am on vacation, and that it sadly does not allow me to be active all of the time
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Yes, in Star Fox I was Bill Grey. And I got killed. And I was proven to be Bill Grey. And my investigative actions were proven.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Just for the record, there.
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Ohhhhhh, right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Set-up? Oh really. How do you figure that? Chaotix and Arpeg got together last night and said "Oh, I know what we'll do. There's nobody in prison, so let's skip our kill. Then one of us will run out there saying "OMG I was roleblocked don't kill me guyz I'm just looking to get married". Then the other will say "I roleblocked him! He's guilty, full role-reveal or the dwarf dies! Or I marry him, whichever. Oh, and we'll get Secura to back up the marriage story, too, that's the ticket."Quote:
Originally Posted by Yaseikhaan
Yeah, now there's a plausible plan.
Let's look at the other option: you randomly called Chaotix scummy yesterday without specifying why, then hit the jackpot today (or so you thought) when a dead innocent (well, non-mafia) fingered Chaotix as well. You got to say "yay, I was right!" and look all innocent and stuff. Then he turns out to be a roleblocker -- whoops. Back off fast and vote a lurker, but don't forget to over-justify your original vote along the way with this silly "setup" comment.
vote: Yaseikhaan
Yes it appears that mr this has being set up though there is a possiblty that he has not and we have got incredibly lucky I say contiune to role block him for now if the mafia really want to set him up let them waste more nights in doing so. I feel it is too early for the mafia to be pulling a dual bluff.
Oh, a setup of ArpTHIS, not a setup by ArpTHIS. Which must be what Khaan suggested also.
unvote
That's almost plausible. Plausible enough not to be scummy, anyway.
Chaotix explained why it is unlikely that Arpeg is being framed : Last night, the mafia didn't know about Chaotix's ability and thus could not refrain from killing to frame Arpeg on the basis that he would be in jail.
No, a frame by Chaotix himself. Refrain from the kill while roleblocking the previous day's top living suspect, then vote the suspect on the grounds there was no kill. Think that's what Khaan was getting at, anyway. Not so sure about Blackadder.
No I am saying that the mafia simply chose not to kill in an attempt to fram this and the role block is simply a coincidence.
How is a no-kill framing Arpeg if they didn't know he was being roleblocked?Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Blackadder
That's what doesn't make sense. There's no frame if no one is locked up or otherwise incapacitated; it's just an unexplained no-kill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Blackadder
If we imprison chaotix, he can't keep blocking others. unvote:chaotix
For lack of a better option, vote: god emperor
Sorry I am paying way too much attention to the other game and not this one reading back over the thread for some reason I thought that This was imprisoned last night. Disregard what I said earlier.
What if somebody was attacked and dodged the attack? Is that a possible explanation Secura?
I am not in favor of killing anybody given the seeming 'slowness' of this setup. There are numerous ways for power roles to resist attacks. So people aren't dying at such a rate that merits executions.
Current tally to the best of my knowledge:
Vote God Emperor: 3 (Double A, Yaseikhaan, autolycus)
Imprison Chaotix: 3 (johnhughtom, Pinman, God Emperor)
Imprison ArpTHIS: 2 (ArpTHIS, Split)
Vote ArpTHIS: 2 (Chaotix, Khazaar)
I think Imprison Chaotix is a bad move. If some don't believe him, we can pick someone for him to roleblock and that person can tell us the next day if he did it or not. I don't think that's necessary though because of ArpTHIS's claim of being roleblocked.
If I have to Vote: God Emperor, whom I don't even know why we are voting for, to stop Chaotix from being imprisoned, then so be it.
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Originally Posted by TheFlax
Unvote, Imprison: Mr THIS.
Surely a better option than exiling/murdering someoe without cause.
Fine.
Unimprison; Imprison: ArpeggiateTHIS
Now can we not kill somebody random?
I am sorry but since you all are so eager to have me killed without any cause, surely an imprisonment seems to be a better option, as concluded with all our other targets? or am I that special ?:cry:
Oh good he's back.Quote:
Originally Posted by God Emperor
Hi.
imprison: ArpeggiateTHIS
Renata- :inquisitive:
It is possible that chaotix engineered the whole thing. It may be possible that he knows someone who's leaking information or that the mafia discovered chaotix' role night one. It may be possible that the mafia got lazy or were inhibited by role or some other game structure. I simply stated that, in my opinion, the odds were more likely that the imprisonment of arp was not directly related to the absence of a kill. I personally find it a bit odd that there have not been multiple killers yet- the game, I would think, especially given we already know there is a protector(n1), and role blocker(chaotix), that there would be a somewhat high number of mafia or otherwise anti-town forces to balance the pro-town forces out. My best guess is that the anti-town forces have some kind of "extra-cirricular" abilities that don't directly relate to killing, and they have been focusing more on these the first couple nights.
I'm not exactly what imprisoning someone tells us at this point, it only clears someone as innocent if there is only one killer, which I doubt with our numbers. Yaseikhaan sums it up well. If he is right, imprisoning the right people won't even give us feedback that we are right. We should be lynching someone. What I said earlier should be taken more as a "Why God Emperor?"
There's no private chat or off-board reveals allowed in this game, so leaks are a bit difficult to hypothesize. The mafia discovering Chaotix' role night one is plausible, but there being any relationship between that and what happened between Chaotix and ArpTHIS is not so much -- they'd have to be quite sure Chaotix would block ArpTHIS in order to get any use out of it at all, and that goes right back to the leak issue. IMO either Chaotix did it himself as a way to get townie cred for his mafia-roleblocker role; or it was coincidence. (I think ArpTHIS is a townie.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Yaseikhaan
Sure, there are several possibilities.Quote:
It may be possible that the mafia got lazy or were inhibited by role or some other game structure.
Actually you said "accident or setup". You didn't rank the likelihood.Quote:
I simply stated that, in my opinion, the odds were more likely that the imprisonment of arp was not directly related to the absence of a kill.
Romanic "protected" himself, or?Quote:
I personally find it a bit odd that there have not been multiple killers yet- the game, I would think, especially given we already know there is a protector(n1),
You're assuming by this that Chaotix and Romanic are both pro-town. Especially now we are aware there are neutral roles as well as mafia, that is not a given.Quote:
and role blocker(chaotix), that there would be a somewhat high number of mafia or otherwise anti-town forces to balance the pro-town forces out.
This is entirely possible.Quote:
My best guess is that the anti-town forces have some kind of "extra-cirricular" abilities that don't directly relate to killing, and they have been focusing more on these the first couple nights.
I said I found your conclusions plausible once I understood them, and I had even unvoted you -- what's the point of this post? You're defending yourself where no defense was needed.
Anyone have a vote count?
Imprison ArpTHIS: 5 (ArpTHIS, Split, johnhughtom, Pinman, civplayah)Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
Vote God Emperor: 4 (Double A, Yaseikhaan, autolycus, TheFlax)
Vote ArpTHIS: 2 (Chaotix, Khazaar)
Imprison Chaotix: 1 (God Emperor)
Indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
Called it a hunch, to be precise, that it was one of the two.Quote:
Actually you said "accident or setup". You didn't rank the likelihood.
Re-read the writeup. Romanic is pretty clearly protected by someone else.Quote:
Romanic "protected" himself, or?
The protector, yes, that would be a bit of an odd role for an anti-town role. Chaotix could easily be anti-town, but it seems quite risky for him to reveal so early if he was. So I would hazard that he's probably, at worst, neutral.Quote:
You're assuming by this that Chaotix and Romanic are both pro-town. Especially now we are aware there are neutral roles as well as mafia, that is not a given.
Thought I ought to clarify for the rest of the players, since you decided to clarify my post for me(which you did a mostly good job of). Your series of posts did strike me as quite odd though, going from hyper-aggressive to suddenly backing down- the very thing you accused me of yourself.Quote:
I said I found your conclusions plausible once I understood them, and I had even unvoted you -- what's the point of this post? You're defending yourself where no defense was needed.
Seems more than fair on town's part. I appreciate that town hasn't right-out lynched me.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFlax
Any particular reason you talk about "town" as if you aren't part of it?
All right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yaseikhaan
I didn't accuse you of being hyper-aggressive; I accused you of opportunistically jumping on a chance to give an earlier vote some unearned weight by associating it with Reenk's accusation, then hedging your bets in a scummy way when forced to back down. But you didn't hedge your bets in a scummy way, so there was no reason to keep my vote. By itself, the re-accusation of Chaotix means nothing.Quote:
Your series of posts did strike me as quite odd though, going from hyper-aggressive to suddenly backing down- the very thing you accused me of yourself.
Any particular reason you pick on a triviality of wording as a reason to cast doubt on someone?Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
Any particular reason you... Nah, I'm not gonna bite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
Oh please do, please do. (I'm up to my ears in Lylat review; I could use the entertainment.)
I can't exactly take part in my own lynching, can I?Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
imprison: ArpeggiateTHIS
There have to be better options tomorrow.
Imprison: ArpeggiateTHIS
To cast a vote today.
Unvote, Imprison: Arpeg
I'm going with the flow.
Now, the mafia is either going to remain silent to make Arpeg look guilty (or actually is Arpeg), OR they're going to attack me. We're all dwarves here, there's gotta be a protector out there. If you think my job's important, you might protect me tonight.
Also, Arpeg- I assume if you're that cautious of revealing your role then you're probably one of the three princes. On the condition that your name is Trian, Bhelen, or Duran Aeducan, then I would accept your hand in marriage should you choose to offer it to me. If you don't have to investigate me, then you won't have to bother with it.
And if you're not one of the princes, don't bother with me. :clown: