Unvote; B_Ray
Vote: Mr. Stuka
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Unvote; B_Ray
Vote: Mr. Stuka
Likewise.
unvote, vote: Mr Stuka
One more if available would be safer for CH.
Unvote, Vote: Mr Stuka
Lets hope someone doesn't muck this up.
I am going to have to vote: Tratorix
I haven't seen a good case on him but the role pm he posted appears forged to me, plus there is a group of people who have all too willingly decided to swing the vote away from him.
I say it looks forged because the format is completely different from what I have observed so far. Although I do not know if Sigurd generally has a strict format as far as role pm's are concerned.
The role pm also fits in almost too conveniently with what some people guessed about tratorix.
Finally, even if he is town, he is not important town and this should give us some idea of what to look for in future reveals.
(plus, why reveal "just for posterity," it only gives the mafia more information with which to forge pro town role pms)
Also, he is trying to force a full reveal on a possible powerful pro town role, which would be valuable information for the actual mafia in case CH is just making his power up to be bait for someone else.
In any case, he is not an important
Nightbringer, what did I just say? :sweatdrop:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tratorix
Work this out to avoid a tie; lynching no one doesn't help the town despite that that sounds backwards.
I would prefer to think I am wiping away the muck of mafia :)
and furthermore, what is there on stuka except a sudden "we can't lynch a power role (CH), so lynch anyone else... except tratorix"
you're right, can someone please do a count.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
The only argument against me was "He's not classical hero", so its pretty much a shot in the dark either way. Vote how you feel you have to, my votes locked in and I'm going out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightbringer
That tratorix, other than that bad vote, hadn't done anything scummy, and there were probably better candidates.
I can't do it, Nightbringer, can you? I think I have a couple minutes, but too many distractions to count. The most recent count is only a few posts back.
And what's wrong with the role PM specifically? I don't even have time to look at it.
Mr. Stuka 6 (Atpg, TC, Renata, Believer, Tratorix, Woad)
Tratorix 5 (, Chaotix, Kagemusha, Warman, DIY, Nightbringer )
classical_hero 4 (autolycus,, Diamondeye, Khaan, B_Ray)
Renata 1 (Reenk)
Khazaar 1 (GH)
GH 1 (Khazaar)
Tincow 1 (classical_hero)
B_Ray 1 (romanic,)
Meh, don't stress about it. Tratorix or Stuka both seem like acceptable lynches under the circumstances, though I remain partial to Stuka.
I would rather not get too specific as it will give mafia info on how to forge them, but capitalization of role type is inconsistent, and the body of the role is very inconsistent. No introduction to the game, no detailing of what actions he takes, no statement of what his goal is, just a vague. "You are a War Veteran and in the service of the king of Rogaland. You are basically a townie with high Holmgang stats"Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
Also, the information about Holmgang is phrased inconsistently and there is a piece of information about Holmgang missing.
All of this COULD be due to Sigurd simply making roles at different times and not using one specific format, but I want to know if that is the case, and Tratorix is no worse of a random vote than Stuka.
Classical Hero bears watching. Sigurd's built a hosting career off of making something seem obvious and then going completely the other way with it.
-edit- Nightbringer, though I have no way of backing this up, I think Sigurd's purposely done stuff like that in the past to throw us off.
I believe the day phase is now over so I am going to challenge: glyphz
He has only one post so far.
If that is the case, I am hurt that sigurd wished tratorix good luck and did not do the same for me. :disappointed:Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
I am sorry I missed the deadline... I had a busy evening ( being on CET) and couldn't get online... I hope the above count is correct as I wouldn't like to see a tie.
Also, tratorix may have simply copied this role from a previous Midgard game.
" Originally Posted by Sigurd
Human
Sigmund “the axe” Germundsson
You are a War Veteran and in the service of the Jarl of Hordaland. You are basically a townie with high Holmgang stats
Holmgang ability : 3 (WarVeteran) = 3"
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...an#post1424742
Also, Pizza, this:
...is a horrible, horrible reason for voting anyone. I don't think I've seen you use reasoning this bad, ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Ok, THAT is interesting. It does not seem like Sigurd to recycle role PMs word-for-word.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightbringer
unvote; vote: Tratorix for the clearly faked (or at least, very heavily edited) role PM.
If that's too late, I'll go with Challenge: Tratorix instead.
ahh! no, we don't want a tie!
I think the limit is up though so it doesn't matter.
I had to to vote for someone at the time and not waste my vote. I went to be straight away after I posted so I could not have known your response. For that I do apologise, but things have been set in motion. unvote:Tincow vote:traitorix.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
@ATPG. Subtlety is for those who are trying to beguile you. So considering who I am it would be wise to contact me about your character and basically any character not telling me are not helpful for the town and we can do things about that.
That is strange...
I posted about one and a half hour before the deadline explaining that I had to be somewhere when the deadline was due.
Anyway, voting closed at 22:00 GMT.
Iit is now 1 and a half hour past the deadline and I can't see any new posts past ATPG's at 20:25 GMT
edit: Woah... even stranger, now my old post is present and a whole new page with posts.
I will tally the votes...
Well, this is interesting. I knew my role pm probably wouldn't help my case, but I didn't think it would actually hurt it.
Goodbye cruel world, I'm coming Elizabeth, etc.
Eh, why the bandwagon on me? I'm sorry I was gone, and that i didn't vote this round, but I was gone, doing you know- real-life stuff? I'm sorry, but I'm definitely not trying to fade into the background. No but seriously, why the bandwagon?
Day 2
The voting this day was long and there were many candidates shifting taking the lead.
It took the retinues every minute of the allotted time to finally agree on a candidate.
The Hovgod was slumbering when the tally was given him. He took a quick glance at it:
Tally:
Mr. Stuka : 6 (ATPG, Believer, Renata, TinCow, Tratorix, w&f)
Tratorix : 5 (Chaotix, DiY, ELITE, Kage, Nightbringer)
classical_hero : 4 (autolycus, B_Ray, Diamondeye, ‘khaan)
B_Ray : 1 (Romanic )
GeneralHankerchief : 1 (Khazaar)
Khazaar : 1 (GH)
Renata : 1 (Reenk)
TinCow : 1 (classical)
Not voting : 7 (Andres, glyphz, Mr. Stuka, Robbie, Thefluff, TheLastDays, WE:D)
So you barely managed to get a candidate in lead this time as well. And I see there are several not lodging a vote. This is barely acceptable considering we are dealing with someone’s life here.
He looked over the retinues. Could the man named Thorvald Toresson be brought forth?
The men from Nordmøre gasped as they heard the name being called out.
A well toned warrior stepped out of the Nordmøre retinue and walked with sure steps toward the Hovgod who stood smirking in the circle of men.
They have chosen you as the payment to justice for the murder last night. Blood for blood. Do you have anything you wish to say?
The warrior looked with ice cold eyes over the eager crowds. I am worried about my King. Who will protect him now?
I am sure some arrangements can be made. The Hovgod looked into the ice cold eyes, searching. I see a man who will serve Odinn and as such, I wish you adieu. The Hovgod brought his knife which he had hidden in his sleeve in a fluid but powerful stab, which pierced the warrior’s heart. Blood started flowing out of the wound and Thorvald buckled.
Soon life disappeared from those icy eyes.
The Hovgod twirled and stated: Well, should we continue where we left off yesterday?
Challenges can be given from this point. If you have already challenged after the deadline, I will count those as valid.
PMs from those who can – deadline 22:00 GMT Saturday the 16th of July
Alive:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Killed:
Seamus Fermanagh (N1)
Earthling (N1)
Csargo (N1)
Seon (N1)
Ironside (N2)
Captain Blackadder (N2)
Lynched:
Visorslash (D1)
Mr. Stuka (D2)
Holmgang:
Major Robert Dump (H1)
Oh, if you guys actually lynched Tratorix I would kill all of you. I voted for him, but I didn't want him to die! :clown:
Why is it that I can only start bandwagons when I don't want to?
Also, according to Tratorix's role PM, we are an even match. I am guessing that even though Veterans have "higher than average" Holmgang scores, we are still pretty much the lowest or second-lowest level of townie.
Challenge: Tratorix
Let's see what you've got. If you're really a Vet, it'll show.
Challenge: Chaotix Now we've both got even odds of getting the defender bonus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaotix
I would challenge classical hero but apparently it's dishonorable... :rolleyes:
Challenge: Renata You talk too much
that sounds like a horrible reason to try to get some1 killed.Quote:
Originally Posted by n0rg3 Roink
No kidding.
Regards Tratorix and the PM, apparently Sigurd gives the mafia cover roles, including "vanilla" ones. There's no reason to suspect that Tratorix would have needed to gank one from a previous game to save his scummy hind end, even if mafia, when he would have been provided one direct from the source. This is a non-issue. I can't believe I've gotten caught up in the same stupid thing two days (and two games) in a row.
Challenge: Nightbringer
I have a theory. If right, you and Renata are scum buddies...if (most) likely not...you well die a Norsemens death:viking:
You challenged Nightbringer because he gave you cause to believe you can defeat him.
I missed another vote....my bad!
Went to Six Flags today!
And I certainly didn't want to post from my phone....
Will try to be active from now on.
you should elaborate on this theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by White_eyes:D
Renata, thank you for clarifying that, it seems Tratorix is probably innocent. I'm glad I didn't get him lynched then (of course, he still MIGHT be mafia, but my case is null and void)
How so?:dizzy:Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
I wanted to challenge you, but Reenk has first debs....:shrug:
Good grief, a lot has happened since last time I checked in. I've got four questions:
(1) What was so wrong with my vote on classical hero?
(2) Why did 4 or 5 people immediately obey ATPG's whimsical bidding?
(3) Is the following statement true?
(4) Why would there have only been two murders on Night 2 when there were four on Night 1?Quote:
Originally Posted by woad&fangs
EDIT: Also, if a mafia is challenged to holmgang, does that prevent them from performing a night kill as well?
1) Good question. Everyone seems to be taking his word that he's powertown, I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by B_Ray
2) :shrug: It happens. ATPG says jump, this forum asks how high. Until the late game, when we usually lynch him to be on the safe side.
3) Yes.
4) My guess is there are some other roles capable of killing, possibly a serial killer and someone else. They may have specific triggers or targets though.
So that means I'm scum right? Vote for me. :rolleyes: <-----I'm scummyQuote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Alright, I've been out and this really stood out to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tratorix
I think I'm accurate in saying that classical was not lynched on the basis of him possibly being a power role, some suggesting even that he is Thor, yet didn't Stuka claim explicitly that he was a champion? So someone was lynched who claimed he was a champion to protect someone who was probably a power role? I'm thinking that Tratorix knew this and that he didn't mind, and conveniently overlooked this.
Plus in light of Nightbringer bringing up the role pm thing it does indeed seem like Tratorix needs to go.
Seems like Stuka was telling the truth, that he was from Nordmore and a champion.Quote:
The men from Nordmøre gasped as they heard the name being called out.
A well toned warrior stepped out of the Nordmøre retinue and walked with sure steps toward the Hovgod who stood smirking in the circle of men.
They have chosen you as the payment to justice for the murder last night. Blood for blood. Do you have anything you wish to say?
The warrior looked with ice cold eyes over the eager crowds. I am worried about my King. Who will protect him now?
All in all, Tratorix should go.
Cat's already out of the bag. He's either Thor, presumably a pro-town God, or he's a scumbag, and we'll have all the evidence that he's a scumbag that we need in short order.Quote:
Originally Posted by B_Ray
Oh bull droppings. I was simply the talkative one. Ask anyone involved in that whole deal, what went down in private was democratic and I asked for opinions and said I'd do whatever the consensus was. When there wasn't one I urged for my own candidate, but when they pushed for someone else I obliged.Quote:
(2) Why did 4 or 5 people immediately obey ATPG's whimsical bidding?
Talking a lot does not make me dictator. I want people to understand this if we're going to work together as a team. I talk, that doesn't mean I'm always the leader and it doesn't mean when people agree with me that I'm controlling them. The result of this round was several people convinced me to lynch Stuka and I didn't really agree with the case. How does that translate to them doing my bidding? Let's get real. Part of this phenomenon is that people willingly feed into it even when its not actually happening. Free your minds, I'm just a dude.
Strictly speaking we do not know, however, there are several plausible theories.Quote:
(4) Why would there have only been two murders on Night 2 when there were four on Night 1?
1) Role with every-other-night killing power, or role with multiple powers, one of which is killing.
2) Murderer from N1 was also killed on N1, thus reducing the murders.
3) Vigilante who was inactive
4) Roleblocker or doctor prevented a kill and is keeping mum about it for now (good idea, just don't wait too long. Repeat previous action if roleblocker.)
Probably others.
Have you figured out number 5 yet, Pizzaguy?:bounce:
I think it is going to be proven false though. Either way, I should enjoy this.:party:
Yes, I brought up that he claimed champion a few times. The fact that he immediately claimed as soon as someone voted for him made me suspicious. I was wrong about that Honestly, I'm kind of hoping Chaotix will kill me in Holmgang, as that will prove my innocence, get the town off this stupid roadblock and give us a bit more info on how holmgang works, as everyone already knows my score.Quote:
Originally Posted by Death is yonder
Wow, bad lynch on Mr. Stuka, I should have been in the thread to defend him but my options are limited being dead. I don't see why claiming is scummy.
He was exactly who he said he was, and he claimed so he could bring the clan together. My vote on day 1 proves this, as does the write up. I strongly suggest you people consider one more time the timing of both my being challenged and Stuka being bandwagoned. There is a king with no bodyguards now, and it's not even the third day yet.
Pretty sure we're dealing with a couple of vigilantes. Wouldn't be surprised if classical_hero was one, if he's not mafia.
Keeping a close eye on B-Ray because ATPG's policy of "those who accuse me of mind control are mafia" tends to be uncannily correct. With myself included.
If B_Ray is Jotun, he's not going to be alive much longer. I guarantee it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaotix
My inbox is always open. Come, White_Eyes, we haven't had a nice cooperative chat in a good long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by White_eyes:D
Echo the Capo, and toss me a trust bone. Don't tell me who it is, just what it is.
I can see why a lot of people are not dueling....but COME ON, your making it too easy for the Jotun.:stare:
They are just going to kill whoever doesn't duel, which appears to be a pretty good looking strategy....what are the odds of a champion or King being in the current duels?
If I was a King I would be dueling every round to be on the safe side. Jotun may hit them on the odd round but it would not be worth it for the end game.
That argument makes no sense
I have a picture of a bunny with a pancake on its head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump
So, why the bandwagon? Oh I'm sorry that's your line. Well perhaps you shouldn't have blustered out who you were like that, especially since it turns out you were a Champion... Nordmøra's in a pretty poor state thanks to that reveal... Sigurd, the writeup hints to something the Nordmøra can do? Can someone else (if less skilled than a champion, probably) take on the role of Stuka?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Stuka
What is it you enjoy? Not voting? :stare:Quote:
Originally Posted by White_eyes:D
Either way I want my Challenge Tratorix counted. My vote wasn't counted so obivously I was post-deadline.
Why do you ask questions you know the host won't answer?
Are you pretending to be townie and failing miserably with this horrible acting?
10pm GMT is 6am my time, since I am GMT+8, so that makes the time has ended an hour early. I am going to assume you are Norwegian meaning you are normally only 1 hour in front of GMT, but now you would be 2 hours in front due to DST.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd
Unless you are mad, feel free to challenge me. Fo course I will not be challenging anyone unless i have a good reason to do so and then it would mean risking my life since I would be fighting someone with the odds I have, not a weak human.Quote:
Originally Posted by n0rg3 Roink
He's not mad. He's probably more powerful than all the Jotun put together. If not in sheer strength, then in Reenkosity.
So you had a good reason to challenge me? I'd like to hear it, considering Stuka's identity and timing of your challenge.
1) I never said that, you're the one that said that. I'm just pointing out something out of character so the greater town can notice it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
2) You have nothing to say about the reasoning itself?
Also, please don't tell me another pro-town group is forming.
Bah and humbug. Me lusting for Khaan's blood is practically a meme. I've mentioned how much I've wanted him to die in the past several games, including one you hosted, where he was ALREADY DEAD.
I have nothing to say about the reasoning for my obviously in-character vote for Khaan.
Bolded, underlined, and italicized.
:rolleyes: again for emphasis. I fart in your general direction.
You seem far more argumentative/dismissive than usual. :book:
You have a silly hat. :stare:Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Okay, two bits that really have my attention:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I can see these two taken separately as a one-off deal with the people online around the time that the counter-bandwagons happened and you doing your usual thing with White_eyes. However, taken together, plus the Capo reference, starts to get me to twitch. So I'll ask: Are you aware of/involved in any private pro-town network that may be forming?Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I tried to avoid it, I really did.
It's the metagamers. Meta-gamers. Folks who won't leave me alone on round one and two. Those people. It happens every time.
I had a really simple role, really simple task, really straightforward mission, and, I was doing it nice and quietly, letting everyone have fun. Holmgangs, accusations, random lynchings, oh what fun. But no, I was roused from my sleep and UNDER THE LASH, made to serve the unholy network again.
I cannot self-terminate, GH. You must lower me into the steel.
Challenge: ATPG
You could always, I dunno, say no. It's quite refreshing. :yes:
Someday I will be a bad guy who is impervious to scans, and this whole thing WILL blow up in their faces at long last. And I will laugh madly. MADLY.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
*sigh* I guess the lessons learned from A Bridge Zhou Far are fading. To be expected, I guess, but still disappointing. :no:
I guess I'll just settle for being the annoying guy sitting on the sidelines saying "I told you so" after the game by Sigurd's design properly accounted for a network and put in a mechanism or two to utterly subvert it. As I did in Midgard II.
So yeah, I guess this is my plea to the network guys, whoever they may be: end your collaboration. Now. Yes, when things are in the midgame and/or endgame, you can get together, as is only natural. But setting up a protective little shell in this kind of game this early on is only going to backfire spectacularly. Trust me on this one.
You're too late, GH. It's too late.
I am the lizard queen. I have become perfect. Shiny, like a diamond.
Join me, and together we can rule the world as a pair of mad hatters. You in your pope hat and me in my trashcan o doom.
I'd put your emotions right now as "reluctant glee". It's very odd.
Just being dramatic. There's nothing remotely that interesting going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Because I was lynched. :PQuote:
There's nothing remotely that interesting going on.
I put my computer on GMT (Greenwich mean time) when I started the game. It is by that clock this game is run. It seems that my computer adjusts DLS for GMT as well, not being completely UTC. So in reality it is BST that is the official clock running this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by classical_hero
I shall adjust the deadlines accordingly, with 1 European time, 1 American time and 1 Asian time. Whichever you prefer.
That's the scummiest comment I've seen out of you in quite a while. You must be a townie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamondeye
OK I won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
(CH is requesting that one form, though, centered around his magnificent figure. He said so in public and everything. You should probably have a chat with him.)
Couldn't you have even tried to make up something amusing?Quote:
Originally Posted by White_eyes:D
Challenge: White_Eyes
I hate this new bolding system.Can i get my brackets back?
Well if you want to be on GMT then just say one hour earlier and it will be clear, since that is the time you want to end the turn. So just say that it will end at 21:00 GMT, which it has the past few days. It is easier that way then everyone should then be able to calibrate from there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd
Maybe I am remembering this incorrectly, but I think that in Midgard 2 players could be promoted to the rank of Champion if the original Champion died. For some reason I want to say that this was possible if the lower ranked person won a Holmgang.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamondeye