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For the record, since Memnon supports Montmorency for the shirt, I cannot support Montmorency for the shirt.
Sorry. Memnon's group has gotten plenty of people to have the shirt, and I don't want you choosing who gets the shirt next. You're disqualified because you have a conflict of interest. I can't trust Montmorency's results fully, for obvious reasons.
And I noted that if Pizza is Mafia, his scan of Memnon would likely mark him as Mafia. This would end in the town wasting 3 lynches on Memnon, Johhog, and Populus. Which would cost town the game.
Believer, how about you read the very first post in this thread, detailing the rules. Specifically, Zack's response to Subotan. I bet you're just mad about the chess remark.
New plan. Pizza gets the shirt. Knock yourself out. THEN we scan Pizza. Especially if he doesn't get killed. Sound good?
Unvote; Vote: Pizzaguy
Edit: Yes, I realize that this is technically the old plan.
Well first of all, I'm town. :smug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Secondly, you don't necessarily auto-lynch Memnon even if I find him guilty. You scan me next.
Thirdly, ummmm what if I were somehow mafia with Memnon? Me scanning him and finding him innocent doesn't mean we aren't both guilty.
Such sloppy deductive work really scares me guys. Tighten up.
You have gained an experience level. Montmorency is evolving! Press B to cancel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Montmorency evolved into Super-Ultra-Mechamontmorency.
All his votes are now super effective.
Did you really sig yourself from a few hours ago?
:jawdrop:
Wait, I almost missed this entirely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memnon
Why did you vote for Montmorency in the first place?
We're now in our third day, these votes for no reason need to start having reasons attached to them, thus negating the no-reason part from now on.
Now you voted for Warman too, and while I'm not objecting :smug: there technically should be reasons for that one as well.
I need answers to this.
unvote, vote: Memnon
It's pretty awesome, isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
I really had no reason to vote montmorency, it was really just a gut feeling(guess). I changed to warman because he's been quiet and his name kind of annoys me. I didn't realize we were at the point where votes had to make sense yet. Besides, I don't really have a good profile on him or any of the other lurkers yet. :shrug:
See the main reason I don't trust you or Johhog is posts like this. Thats an awful lot of words to say "It's a random vote". I know it's your first game, but your posts reek of being scum trying too hard to look helpful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memnon
I'm not exactly a veteran here (yet), but my feeling is that when new players act scummy, it's because they're - well - new. Has there ever even been a precedent for a first-timer being Mafia?
Johhog claims to be experienced though.
Mafia are selected randomly. There is as much a chance of them being mafia as anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
I'm off to work.
Be back in 9 hours.
Alright, statistics trump intuition. I guess for every outlier like Visorslash, there would be someone who rolls Mafia on their first game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tratorix
Memnon is irrelevant until we get Pizza scanned. But, if there are 4 Mafia, they could easily teamkill Pizza tonight and we would just assume that he's innocent. Memnon (and maybe Populus; Johhog is dying today anyway) would be clear until the endgame.
There are too many levels of WIFOM here. I'm afraid the prospects for town are not good. :worried:
How am I "dying today anyway"? Sorry if this sounds aggressive, but everyone who is voting me needs to learn some game theory, considering that I will be confirmed town tomorrow.
Ideally we would simply discard the investigation mechanic altogether, as it's untrustworthy. However that won't work since we're forced to use it and townies typically love them some investigation results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
You dilemma my prisoner, and I'll dilemma yours. :wink:
Yeah, I'm going to bed now. Everyone even CONSIDERING to vote me should stop with that. Remember, I'll be confirmed town tomorrow, so why lynch me today?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johhog
Check.Quote:
"Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it." ~Andre Gide
Sorry if the length of my posts make me sound scummy, from now on I'll only use 6 words max per post.:rolleyes:
Tee hee. Scum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memnon
Ayup. Now watch as I late-vote:Memnon in order to throw him under the bus in order to clear suspisciOn away from me.
ZOMBIE!!! He's trying to get me!Quote:
Originally Posted by Seon
Yes, because that's exactly what I said. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Memnon
I'm just kidding, man. Truth be told I am that helpful, once lost a game of RISK after controlling North and South America and Africa with some outposts in Asia to help the two remaining players fight over Europe, I just can't be sneaky.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tratorix
You're dead. You can't vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seon
I'd better get a cool sig out of this game, then. >:|
Round over, write-up is coming.
TALLY:
Johhog: 2 (JHT, Tratorix)
ATPG: 2 (B_Ray, Ishmael)
Memnon: 1 (ATPG)
Montmorency: 1 (Believer)
Warman: 1 (Memnon)
Abstain: 0
Not Voting: 6 :stare: (bestrfcplayer, Montmorency, Populus Romanus, Seamus Fermanagh, Yaropolk, Warman)
bestrfcplayer will be replaced if he doesn't vote next Day Phase.
TALLY:
ATPG: 7 (ATPG, Believer, Ishmael, Johhog, JHT, Montmorency, Tratorix)
Seamus: 1 (B_Ray)
Montmorency: 1 (Memnon)
Not Voting: 5 :stare: (bestrfcplayer, Populus Romanus, Seamus Fermanagh, Yaropolk, Warman)
B_Ray: "Usually Askthepizzaguy is the life of the party, but he's been suspiciously quiet this whole time. Perhaps he's afraid he'll reveal his murders?
Askthepizzaguy: "Oh, come on, man! That is LAME!"
Askthepizzaguy then went on to dominate the conversation for several hours, screaming himself hoarse.
ATPG: "This "shirt-scanning" is all a big hoax, people! Memnon, and all subsequent shirt-holders, are complete and total scumbags! We should -- nay, we NEED to kill Johhog today!"
A couple of others hesitantly agreed with Mount Pizza, but most decided to cast suspicion on others. Like, to the extreme. I mean, practically no one could agree on anyone to kill today.
ATPG: "Oh, and give me the shirt, too."
Now, this was something everyone could rally behind! Everyone gladly voted Askthepizzaguy to have the shirt, and yet -- he was still almost killed. Some even thought Pizzaman should have the shirt, yet still die.
ATPG: "You're mine, Memnon. HEEHEEEHEEHEE!!!"
He then went on to cackle for the next twenty minutes, and by the time he was finished, everyone had gone upstairs, and he was the only person left in the main room downstairs.
ATPG: "Hmm, maybe I shouldn't have yelled at them all day, then capped it off by laughing uproariously like a maniac."
He shrugged, then went off to his own bed.
It is now NIGHT THREE!
ALIVE:
[14]
Askthepizzaguy
B_Ray
Believer
bestrfcplayer
Ishmael
Johhog -- Scanned Town (N1)
johnhughthom
Memnon
Montmorency
Populus Romanus -- Scanned Town (N2)
Seamus Fermanagh
Tratorix
Yaropolk
Warman
LYNCHED:
[1]
TheLastDays (D1)
KILLED:
[2]
Double A (N1)
Seon (N2)
WEARERS OF THE SHIRT:
[3]
Memnon (N1)
Johhog (N2)
ATPG -- current wearer
Deadline:
So you were scum, Pizzaboy! :grin2:Quote:
ATPG: "Hmm, maybe I shouldn't have yelled at them all day, then capped it off by laughing uproariously like a maniac."
Got to this late on Sunday.
Interesting argument from pizza, and I agree it would be a deliciouslsy devious trick by Zack.
Surprisingly, for me, memnon voted for monty without much support and then when pressured, voted for warman....a second vote for little reason in the same round. Does seem like squirming to me.
I would've vote memnon
Sorry I haven't been posting. From now on, I'll vote (but since school has started, don't expect a vote until the afternoon, or evening).
Seamus, I'd voted warman before, and I the Monty one was just purely random, I would say attempting to avoid lynches would be a goal for any player, anyway I'm now premium lynchbait, so at least I survive this night when pizza hopefully scans me
I pretty much hate myself for not changing my lynch vote last time I posted. It seemed like Johhog was clearly in the lead at the time.
Also, 5 people not voting? What the crap.
Ugh, don't I know it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tratorix
I recently had an issue over on another board with 5 whispered detective results, or so we were led to believe, every round in a large game. We were getting detective results out of the sky itself.
Yeah, that's real trustworthy.
Well, turns out 2 of those were from "crier" roles. They were roles that would whisper their alignment to people. Guess what the scum whispered to people? That they were townie.
And that's not even the bestest part. Another one of the scans said a dude was innocent, another person was innocent, and that a third person was guilty.
Well, we lynched the scum who cried townie, then we lynched one of the supposed innocents and they were also guilty.
We haven't mislynched once since those false detective results came in. Of course, I was screaming to the heavens that they were very likely fake for 2 rounds in a row, so maybe that had something to do with it.
Townie lurve investigation results. I don't hate them, but I do hate the way we typically use them and I hate that we rely on them so much. If you keep track you will also find that scumbags claim false detective results almost as often as real detectives do.
Did you see the rolling of the eyes? :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
Blackadder's scan in NCfOM was an example of a perfect investigation. One investigation, a near-unanimous lynch, and down goes a mafioso.
Though I suppose that's why I have a hankering for more games with reveals upon death. :/ I'm surprised that more don't feel the same way, given that it's human nature to hate uncertainty.
@ Zack
Replace the inactives please? :P
@ Monty
The campground was a great game without death reveals.
Oh mah gawd, you actually considered lynching soon-to-be confirmed town? Lolfail.
Oh, sure. There are many great games without reveals. I never suggested otherwise. I'd just like to see more in the vein of No Country, which was very entertaining to follow. I just regret that I never signed up.
You won't be confirmed anything for 65.5 hours, Johhog.
Hey, they voted me the shirt and almost killed me at the same time. That's double the pleasure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johhog
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What if I totally messed with everyone and just scanned someone randomly?
Do you think that would fly at all? :laugh4:
What if I scanned myself with the shirt, cackling as I do it? Do you think I'd last a single round thereafter, or would I die from sudden onset FluffyOne syndrome?
You were close enough to being lynched this round - I don't think I'd push your luck if I were you :yes:.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
On 2 votes though. You guys pretty much deserve to be messed with at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishmael
That said, I am Pizza, not fluffy, so I'll play it straight and be a good townie. Though why I should do that when people would vote me to die, and vote me the shirt, is beyond me.
If I gotta make sense, other people gotta make sense. It's only fair.
Can I buy the shirt from someone? Will Gingerbreadmen do?
Only two lynch-voted you. Do it for the rest of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Do you want some cheese with that whine? Two people voted for you. Sure, there was a slight bandwagoning before that, but these things happen. :grin:Quote:
Originally Posted by ATPG
Hurricanes get you into analytical mood Pizza?
I decline to say what mood they get me in, but I love wind, rain, and thunder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yaropolk
Though of course the disaster of the current hurricane is nothing to be put into a good mood over.
I may look bad, but I don't care.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Preferably I have someone to love besides the earth, but that's the general idea. :eyebrows:
Askthepizzaguy was sound asleep, confident that the shirt would protect him from any who sought to do harm.
The dark figure that strode in his room sought to prove Pizzaman wrong.
The figure crept up to ATPG's bed, then carefully slit his throat. To his frustration, Pizza's throat appeared to have cut, but he continued to breathe normally. Puzzled, the figure lifted Askthepizzaguy's shirt, stabbing him many times in his torso. Still confused at Askthepizzaguy's continued breathing, the figure snuck back into his own room.
-------
That morning, everyone noticed that today, only one person was missing.
Askthepizzaguy.
A few minutes later, he strolled down the stairs.
Askthepizzaguy: "Great news everyone! I just found out that Memnon is town! Now, it's time for someone else to have a turn with the shirt."
Askthepizzavolcano then proceeded to take the shirt off.
As soon as it was off, he promptly collapsed into a heap on the stairs.
It is now DAY FOUR!
ALIVE:
[13]
B_Ray
Believer
bestrfcplayer
Ishmael
Johhog -- Scanned Town (N1)
johnhughthom
Memnon -- Scanned Town (N3)
Montmorency
Populus Romanus -- Scanned Town (N2)
Seamus Fermanagh
Tratorix
Yaropolk
Warman
LYNCHED:
[1]
TheLastDays (D1)
KILLED:
[3]
Double A (N1)
Seon (N2)
Askthepizzaguy (N3)
WEARERS OF THE SHIRT:
[3]
Memnon (N1)
Johhog (N2)
ATPG (N3)
Deadline:
Remember, it could be a red-herring team-kill.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
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Yes. I. Am. Invincible.
Also, I am apologetic towards Memnon and Johhog.
Do whatever. My bad.
But still, that needed checking.... srsly.
Now someone scan me, since obviously you think I just murdered myself.
Edit: oops, it appears I am dead.
Interesting. Well, hahahahahahaha that was fun.
No, I think you took one for the team, so to speak.
Seriously, if we don't have a killer ID'd by Day 6...
Hey...
I just got murdered without being scanned.
YES! I JUST SAVED YOU A LYNCH AND TONS OF TIME!!! MWAHAHAHAHAA all three of the scanees are still alive!
Well, this has just raised further questions now hasn't it?
Vote: Tratorix Gimme dat shirt.
Give it to Populus Romanus.
If the implication is, Pizza, Memnon, Johhog, and Populus are all mafia, that's an interesting one since I just self-pwned.
If you toss out that implication, then Populus should get the shirt since he's scanned town.
I want that shirt too, brother.
Vote: Montmoremcy
Perhaps we can make an arrangement? I get the shirt today, and I'll vote it to you tomorrow.
It could work. The three kill you, you scan one of them, and they clear three for the price of one.
Why should we give the shirt to someone who can't spell his own name?Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
OKAY
Vote: Montmorency
:shame:
Vote: Montmorency
Same reasoning.
Vote: Populus Romanus
You have to unvote Montmoremcy before you can vote Montmorency.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Bollox, the first vote was invalid.
If I Vote: ATPG, I won't have to unvote when I place a real vote later. :smug:
Anyway, have it your way. Unvote; Vote: Populus Romanus.
If the guy he scans turns up Mafia, then will you consider it?
Vote: Populus Romanus seems safe enough. I don't think he'd have done something quite as scummy as changing his name if he were actually scum.
Vote: Yaropolk for lurking. Will you flinch for me?
Vote: Warman
Isn't he usually active?
I'll do my usual, which is Vote:WarmanCrazyName, and I'll also point out that I am town! Yippee! Although unfortunate that the one who stirred up the game and made it more interesting is dead... Requiescat in Pace, Pizza.(4 years of Latin!)
I'll also Vote: Populus Romanus, because that just makes sense
Just so you know, I'm fine (and would actually prefer) just calling [insert his ridiculous name here] "Warman".
In my first game, I was a vig, and NK'd 2/3 of the mafia by D3. If Pizza weren't so dead sexy, I would have gotten him on N3. :smoking:Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Three words. Scum!Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
Revive me!Quote:
Originally Posted by Visorslash
Alternatively, since Pizza didn't die till he took the shirt off, maybe yall could vote it to stick it on me, I'd come back alive for a night, investigate jht, and then keel back over. I would be avenging my own death! (probably) (maybe) (kinda) (not really)
Yeah, I know,, just poking a little fun, sorry if it's confusing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
TotallyQuote:
Originally Posted by B_Ray
Vote: Yaropolk
Vote: Yaropolk
Isn't that like a textbook scumtell?
Probably - you should give me the Shirt as a consolation prize.
What is a year, really?
vote: Populus Romanus I missed my chance at the shirt cause I was gone, now I want it back!
I just thought of something.
Your mileage may vary, but my murder proves I'm townie, and my scan proves three people are townies.
Which means I managed to not get lynched based on nonsense this time. Just barely, and it was mind-numbing how close it was.
Now let's see:
bestrfcplayer- probably gonna be replaced and stuff
Johhog -- Scanned Town (N1)
Memnon -- Scanned Town (N3)
Populus Romanus -- Scanned Town (N2)
So who does that leave....
B_Ray
Believer
Ishmael
johnhughthom
Montmorency
Seamus Fermanagh
Tratorix
Yaropolk
Warman
And what do I see:
Ishmael- voted for me to die, and also gave me the shirt. Makes no sense.Quote:
TALLY:
Johhog: 2 (JHT, Tratorix)
ATPG: 2 (B_Ray, Ishmael)
Memnon: 1 (ATPG)
Montmorency: 1 (Believer)
Warman: 1 (Memnon)
Abstain: 0
Not Voting: 6 (bestrfcplayer, Montmorency, Populus Romanus, Seamus Fermanagh, Yaropolk, Warman)
bestrfcplayer will be replaced if he doesn't vote next Day Phase.
SHIRT TALLY:
ATPG: 7 (ATPG, Believer, Ishmael, Johhog, JHT, Montmorency, Tratorix)
Seamus: 1 (B_Ray)
Montmorency: 1 (Memnon)
Not Voting: 5 (bestrfcplayer, Populus Romanus, Seamus Fermanagh, Yaropolk, Warman)
Montmorency- Late on the shirt wagon.
Tratorix- Late on the shirt wagon.
B_Ray- Voted for me to die
Believer- Usual Believer.
johnhughthom- went for Johhog and gave me the shirt rather easily yesterday.
Seamus Fermanagh- Hasn't been posting much.
Yaropolk- Hasn't been posting much.
Warman- Hasn't been posting much.
Now which of these is the scummiest. That's the big question for me anyway.
We have Montmorency and Tratorix openly questioning the results, but not acting upon it, and then voting me the shirt. Then I died. Both now also want the shirt.
Yaropolk wants the shirt and is voting for himself, rather uncharacteristically. Definitely not adding much to the discussion.
Ishmael's move makes no sense whatsoever. But it also makes no sense whatsoever from a scumbag, I think.... it neither clears him nor condemns him.
Johnhughthom feels a bit conciliatory towards me.
But really, I think I know which one takes the cake.
Voted to lynch someone, I'll assume they're townie for now, just because our luck isn't that good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Second one to vote me the shirt, possible snuggling attempt. Actually seems to flinch when he gets a vote, and downplays his abilities.
Goes along with the shirt wagon, votes for someone who just got scanned as townie, and is second on the Populus wagon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Arguing against the No Lynch, and using not-present "legendary" Sasaki Kojiro's arguments, if they were indeed his arguments, to bolster his point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
No Lynch late in the game reduces the chances of hitting scum, and early lynches increases the chances of lynching townies. It's entirely backward, actually.
That Seamus would go so far as to cite Sasaki to make this argument means he realizes without a credible source other than himself, arguing this point will look extra-scummy.
That means Seamus is worried about looking scummy. Which means he's scum.
This plan relies far too heavily on investigation results we can't even trust, sacrificing our best-odds random lynches in the endgame to make it happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
I don't trust it, and I don't trust Seamus would make this argument as a townie in this game.
Snrubbing me with the "I agree", then smeared some suspicion onto Memnon, who is now cleared.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Of course, Seamus also knew that I'd be scanning Memnon last night, which would make him look like an uninformed townie in the morning when the results came back townie.
This is all very good stuff.
Seamus is interested in early lynches, on townies, without much thought or effort put into those lynches, and is arguing for us to rely on the detective results we can't trust, in the endgame which is going to be approaching soon, and we haven't lynched any scums yet unless they're TheLastDays, and his response to me pointing out the deviously untrustworthy nature of the detective results is to go "interesting argument".
Now, I'd argue here that he hasn't taken much of a stand on anything, but that's wrong. He's taken a very firm stand on early lynches followed by relying on late detective results. And his argument was so scummy, he needed to cite Sasaki Kojiro to make it even sound like a townie would ever advocate such a thing.
Maybe Sasaki would, but he's also the type to insist someone is guilty for no reason after he's dead and demand someone's death. Which isn't particularly pro-town because there's no way to argue with a dead proven townie with no argument. Sasaki tested out many avant garde ideas, not all of them were particularly good, and I think they are especially wrong here.
If I were alive, I'd be voting for Seamus Fermanagh. He's no townie.