I blame our American overlords for the entente between Russia and France.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hooahguy
If you had deployed more ships then the French would ally with YOU!
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I blame our American overlords for the entente between Russia and France.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hooahguy
If you had deployed more ships then the French would ally with YOU!
And here you were, thinking we couldn't find common ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
We have a lot more in common then not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
I would agree. Looks, intelligence, charm, and that's just to start.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
I cannot keep up with all these sig changes SFTS. Please calm down sir.
My condolences if you look like me ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/17/eu...led/index.html
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'Serious plans for explosions' cancel Netherlands-Germany soccer match
(CNN)—"Serious plans for explosions" forced the evacuation of a stadium in Hannover, Germany, on Tuesday night before a Netherlands-Germany friendly soccer match, the police chief for Germany's Lower Saxony region told Germany's public broadcaster NDR....
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/17/wo...ted/index.html
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Air France flight from Los Angeles to Paris diverted after bomb threat
(CNN)—Air France Flight 65, headed from Los Angeles to Paris, was diverted to Salt Lake City after bomb threat was called in from the ground, a U.S. government official said...
To make us afraid?Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
Well, I am not - but I do recognise the danger.
At least you can go the hospital free of charge after getting shot by a terrorist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
More gunfire in the St Denis section of Paris as police track down suspects.
Wir schaffen das
This is what I am talking about Monty. http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...whistleblowersQuote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
When you send special forces in the middle of the night, people in the neighborhood will get woken up. When you drop a bomb from a drone, the entire city hears it. Minimize the exposure, change our tactics because our current strategy simply plays into the Islamist propaganda machine. This is what I am talking about when I say that the US simply does propaganda in the middle east wrong. No message you send out will resonate when they hear American bombs going off every day.
What I am saying is that we can have an impact on Islamism by moving towards energy self-reliance, which will weaken the Arab governments in the region. We know that elements of the House of Saud are funding ISIS, but that is not the reason that ISIS chooses to avoid war with Saudi Arabia. ISIS is currently focused on the two destabilized areas of Syria and Iraq which are weak in comparison to their neighbors. Once the West (and China) remove their dependence on Middle East oil, Saudi Arabia and other oil exporting states become vulnerable. The goal of ISIS is to create a single Islamic Caliphate (if we take them at their word), and thus eventually they will try to control the cities that are most valuable to the Islamic faith. When ISIS takes the step to challenge the Arab governments, you will get your Islamist showdown.Quote:
As it comes to "my fantasy", I maintain that encouragement from the West will not have much impact on Islamism either way; it must deflate itself through fraternal bloodshed.
My prediction is that inside couple months we are going to see mainly European and Russian land troops at Syria. France is lobbying around Europe in order to free some of its land components from Africa additional to forces being deployed from France. Russian Duma has today approved the use of land forces at Syria. As act of solidarity i think other EU nations are going to either send smaller detachments to Syria or replace French troops at their current deployments. Hopefully some Arab countries like Jordan will join the forces. Im not sure what US is going to do, but i think we will know rather soon when next week Hollande will visit Washington. It seems behind the curtains US and Russia are working hard in order to get an cease fire at Syria between rebels and Assad.
I dont think this land operation will be very large scale as Isis has less then 50k fighters. Basically we need enough boots on the ground to draw Isis out to fight by attacking their area directly and then they can be destroyed from the air. Thats the easy part. What comes after that is a complete mystery.
When you lase someone from space in the middle of the night, only his wife smells it. When you poison someone's water or deliver a pill into his mouth via micro-drone, no one will know anything. Where are the movie/game assassins when you need them? Why not send ninjas? They won't even wake up the neighborhood. Why not exchange his Quran with one that looks the same but has only peaceful messages?Quote:
Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name
Mock it if you want. When you and Kage get your boots on the ground and it doesn't do jack shit against the bigger threat, there will be threads on who mismanaged the troops and which country is to blame and Islamic extremists will only have more converts.
But you are right, when we all hold hands and get ISIS to "draw out to fight", we will turn the tide of this war.
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What comes after that is a complete mystery.
How well thought out!
Im not mocking you,nor commenting your post in any way. im just predicting what is going to happen and i liked Hus posts because thought of sending ninjas is rather funny. Whats up with you Yanks as of late?Quote:
Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name
Will ISIS ever be that strong? The impression I got is that they are starting to be forced back a bit now, for all their pretensions of being a state they're still a pretty lightly-armed army in the tens of thousands. Could they really fight a conventional war against a rival state?Quote:
Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name
My apologies then to both you and Husar. I think it's a bit touchy because us Yanks have been through a gamut of policies aimed at preventing Islamic terrorism both domestic and abroad and we are all frustrated because nothing we have done seems to work. None of us wants France and the EU to fall into the same trap the US did after 9/11. Just remember that Iraq was no better in 2012 than in 2006, the surge did not work, the TSA does not work, Afghanistan the country might as well be a collection of cities surrounded by Taliban controlled countryside.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
Well, IF their propaganda takes hold in these rival states, and IF they have consolidated their holds in Iraq and Syria, and IF they continue to have money coming in from black market oil sales as well as donors from high officials in these rival states, I think there is a case to be made that ISIS has a chance of being a very annoying pest to kill if they choose to be one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr
Didn't matter how many troops the US sent into Iraq, 2007-2008 there must have been 150,000. We could have sent 500,000 and it wouldn't have made a difference in the end. They hide, we anger the population and when weakness appears the Islamists return with more recruits.
Get Saudi Arabia to stop importing IS militants to Yemen. AQ and IS is quickly gaining a front in Yemen and there's really no need for them considering the coalition forces have already paid Senegal, Eritrea, and Sudan to fight the north. Those Colombian mercenaries are fighting side by side with IS too. There is a tactical alliance with IS and coalition forces, as long as that's not broken IS is not going anywhere soon. Their presence is stamped in the region. They're awarded some form of legitimacy every day.
I think you are right that there is no magic solution to this can of worms. The thing is that ISIS just needs their teeth kicked in, because they want to kill us that bad. It is inevitable or soon all the cool kids in Europe think that joining them is the best deal ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name
What can be done afterwards is that the Kurds should get their state in order to balance the North Iraq and Syria somewhat.
Iraq may have to be split into several states. The Southern Shia and central Sunni will just not fit into one country.
If we can get free elections at Syria after defeating ISIS maybe Baath will actually win. Maybe Sunni parts of Iraq could be actually merged into Syria, or a new country be created.
None of that might not happen. Some might or all might, but it could still all go down the toilet. But what is certain is that ISIS cant be allowed to continue running around in their pseudo state.
Interestingly, Hollande's reactions may all be part of a confrontation between Merkel (i.e. Germany) in her insistence on a narrowly-utilitarian domestic and foreign policy for Europe - and more generally over France's role in the leadership of Europe.
It is true that Obama has basically ruled out participation in a ground coalition, and that both France and the US are still eager to sell weapons to the Saudis without criticism, so the one real political goal at stake here may well be a reassertion of France's leading role in the politics of Europe, uncharacteristically-muted as it has been over the past generations. After all, if Germany has managed to push through past all the many grumblings on its periphery, then France has to present an alternative in the one place where Germany refuses to: the military. Thus, Hollande proclaims that he will fund military ventures against ISIS (and beyond) regardless of violations of Euro-zone fiscal and monetary rules, and urges as many other European countries to join him in doing so. Reaching out to the US and Russia simultaneously is an indicator of how serious he is.
I wonder, then, if Obama is taking a Merkelian stance by refusing to join in, keeping faith in Germany to hold Europe together, holding out on disrupting relations with Saudi Arabia (even though he has clearly wanted to make a partnership with Iran)...
Regardless, Hollande is forcing many countries, including those more powerful than his own, to make some hard choices.
#JeSuisChien, the latest sign racist westerners care more about dead dogs than dead humans
:laugh4:
The Onion should hire this guy. Salon delivers again.
Now excuse me while I go and write an angry article about all the people who died of gangrene this week, and whose stories didn't make it to international media.
Even so, the incidental point of the article still stands: there is a funny disproportion in how popular sentiment manifests vis-a-vis humans coming to harm and other mammals (especially cat-dogs) coming to harm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viking
I dunno. Maybe animals dying is more saddening at this point.
I would say it has to do with the perception that animals are innocent and helpless - like children.
I'm I do find it interesting that France is calling this an act of war and there first response was to bomb ISIS.
Something they have been doing since September.
At what point do us Western nations expected that bombing opponents was risk free?
Yes we prioritize military targets and have a euphemism for civilians that get in the way of collateral damage.
Yes the terrorists attack soft targets first which in general are the same civilians who are big as collateral damage.
But that is what guerrilla warfare is. And it is not such a big leap to understand that the move from countryside to urban conflict is because that is where the populations have moved. As of this century we now live in a world where over half of the population is urban based.
So asymmetric warfare is going to follow the population, it is going to go for the easiest most high publicity events. Olympic Games has been done, more sports events to follow.
Military solutions appear to be no win.
USA or allies do drone strikes=> ISIS: "See? We told you THEY are out to kill US"
USA or allies occupy ISIS territories=> "THEY have occupied our lands, we shall never be free unless we kill them all!"
Every military action results in grist for the propaganda mill.
If the impetus for the removal of ISIS does not come from within the area, I think it is ultimately doomed to fail.
Mass graves of older Yazidi women: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/wom...-fighting.html
According to IS the Yazadi are devil worshippers (they aren't, they're a minor monotheistic group who worship what is theoretically the same God as the Jews, Christians and Muslims).
Anyway, IS has been using the younger women as sex slaves - which is both horrible and a sign of their disjointed thinking, giving their fighters these "non human" devil worshippers seems decidedly dangerous from here.
Lest we forget, for all that IS are happy to attack fellow Muslims the real horrors are reserved for the minority faiths who have lived mostly unmolested for centuries.
Yazidis's beliefs have also plenty of Zoroastrian elements, a religion which was not recognized as acceptable by the pro-Roman Mohammad.
On your second point, according to the slogans of moderate and not so moderate rebels alike, Christians should get exiled from Syria and Iraq, while the Shias should be massacred indiscriminately.
I find that Jesuischien kinda hilarious really, I apreciate the irony
Depends on how hard you go in I think. But the state itself isn't a threat, but IS traveling to Europe is, nobody knows who's whoQuote:
Originally Posted by HopAlongBunny
This surprised me a bit, Boko Haram were responsible for more deaths last year than ISIS:
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/...id=mailsignout
It makes sense. The nations Boko Haram attack have less anti terrorism capabilities than the ones Daesh operates in, so it's obvious they would have more success.
No, that's not the case at all. The difference is simply that in population size.
Monty, west Africa doesn't have more people in it than Europe and the Middle East combined.
It's more likely their body count is due to the lack of anti terror capability countries like Nigeria and Cameroon have compared to nations like France Germany and even Syria.
A lack that is not helped by politicians embezzling massive amounts of the Nigeria's national defense budget.
Greyblades, you seem extremely confused as to what Al-Shabaab is and where it operates, let alone what security resources the countries it afflicts possess.
...dude, I'm confused? We're talking about Boko Haram not Al-Shabaab.
Boko haram
Strength: 7,000-10,000
Area of operations: Northeast Nigeria, Northern Cameroon, Niger, Chad
Even then the nations that Al-Shabaab attack arent that great themselves, nor are they all that numerous.
Al-Shabaab
Strength: 7,000-9,000
Area of operations: Southern Somalia,
Yemen
I replied just before you edited your post. :shrug:
But you still haven't understood the difference between what has been going on in Africa, and what has been going on in Syria and Iraq.
Drugged up psychopaths. IS spares most civilians, Boko Haram just kills everybodyQuote:
Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr
For a moment I was confused and thought north Africa counted as everything north of the Congo. I refreshed myself on primary school geography and corrected my misconception.Quote:
I replied just before you edited your post.
But you still haven't understood the difference between what has been going on in Africa, and what has been going on in Syria and Iraq.
Either way, unless you're arguing that a smaller population is contributing to their body count (I don't know how that would work.) population size is not a contributor as you claimed.
Care to explain yourself for once?
It is, Boko Haram attacks small villages, not entire towns like IS does. They can cause a lot more trouble with much fewer man. Army can never be on time to save a village.
ISIS is a quasi-state. Boko Haram is a guerrilla army.
ISIS kills primarily combatants, on the front lines. Boko Haram kills primarily civilians in bombings and shootings, escaping before they can be targeted by security forces.
Both are scum of the earth. Apparently the planner of Paris attacks was among the dead of yesterdays police raid at St. Dennis. Good riddance.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34867615
I came to ask a question of the multi-culti crowd here. The only politically correct way to report this news is that he was a Belgian citizen, right? So basically, the attacks in Paris were organized by a Belgian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
amen to that I hope it hurted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
pictures of the victims are soon comming up, going to be hard to watch them but I'm going to anyway
A couple of years ago I talked to a guy who repairs electronics. He said that the quality of the details of Chinese make he buys depends on the markings: if it carries "made in China" on it, it is likely to be crap, but if it has "made in PRC" written on it, its quality is much better. Don't know if it applies to other things produced there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
Make sure it is not Mein Kampf by accident, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
At least looks like multiple attacks were planned al over Europe, hardly surprising of course after the current influx of course. Nothing have been comfirmed mind you, but it looks like a bigger plan. In any case it's what I have been expecting (and warned against if you don't mind) for years.
Screaming "help me" right before she detonates.
That is some cold blooded shit.
From the report I saw, all the Paris attackers had been to Syria, except for one who grew up in a notorious ghetto in Belgium. We should bar the return of anyone who's been to the radicalisation hotbeds. If it includes barring genuine refugees, too bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
Meet the woman in the American flag hijab
http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/660/c...ntarytweet.jpg
"The message we were trying to portray was that we are Americans, we are Muslims, we are Republicans. We need to be accommodated and accepted," says Ahmed.
Methinks muslims would get less grief if more acted like this woman.
Well why didn't you say that in the first place?Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Actually I think we should make an exception for those who deserted from Daesh and are trying to get back home. It would be very valuable to have some Muslims with first hand experience of the horrors of the Islamic State telling those who are thinking of leaving for Syria how bad it really is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
Could be that she really needed help, these devices often come with something you must squeeze, if you don't squeeze they go of. I wonder if she had a stabbing wound because it's a rather useless place to detonate it yourselfQuote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
Donald Trump can't shut down the mosques.
I have no problem with her wearing what she wants. Plenty of people would probably spit on her and try to stone her though. Like a large portion of the people she's trying to defend. American Muslims are a very small, highly educated, highly monied minority. They are not their counterparts in Europe.
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Could be that she really needed help, these devices often come with something you must squeeze, if you don't squeeze they go of. I wonder if she had a stabbing wound because it's a rather useless place to detonate it yourself
I have a bridge to sell you mijn liefde
It's possible, these guys are ruthless. She had a fetish for cowboy-hats by the way, just saying.
It's what I would have done if I were terrorist, stab her in her lower back, you live long enough to get out and faint BOOM
It's also possible her cousin or his associates strapped the bomb to her ala hurt locker, we wont know either way.
Attachment 16979Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
Well there is UK from Europe in top ten.
claim
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verb (used with object)1.to demand by or as by virtue of a right; demand as a right or as due:to claim an estate by inheritance.
2.to assert and demand the recognition of (a right, title, possession,etc.); assert one's right to:to claim payment for services.
3.to assert or maintain as a fact:She claimed that he was telling the truth.
4.to require as due or fitting:to claim respect.
verb (used without object)5.to make or file a claim:to claim for additional compensation.
noun6.a demand for something as due; an assertion of a right or an allegedright:He made unreasonable claims on the doctor's time.
7.an assertion of something as a fact:He made no claims to originality.
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I can buy 10,000 twitter followers who will post from any location I want in about an hour.
Social media is disinformation.
She was also a notorious boozer, apparently. It's weird how the one thing that sticks is "kill the unbelievers" I suppose it's what you hammer home the most.Quote:
It's possible, these guys are ruthless. She had a fetish for cowboy-hats by the way, just saying.
It's what I would have done if I were terrorist, stab her in her lower back, you live long enough to get out and faint BOOM
We'd be better off if those who are thinking of going went and never came back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
No we won't, but she wasn't really the type to do this. She was an outgoing girl, loved wine, weared sexy clothes. Wouldn't she have tried to get any closer to the police, I think she was probably woundedQuote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
That's not unusual, I guess it's that strange mix of radical Islam and underclass culture. One of our most public Islamists loved to drink, smoke pot, party etc, a lot of low-level crime links in the family as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-Choudary.html
It's the same phenomenon as Born-Again Christians.
Person becomes disenchanted with materialistic society > searches for meaning > was raised by near-atheists so has no context for intellectualised, mainstream, religion > joins fundamentalist cult with bizarre and nonsensical theology.
The reason, I suspect, that this is less common in the US is that they already have mass religion and as much as many American preachers are morons or money grubbing shills the sheer number of them makes them more moderate than the relatively small number of radical preachers, of all faiths, in Europe.
Where did I mention "my" boots on the ground? I'd be the first to run away...Quote:
Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name
I talked to someone who said it is a full success because the US (and ultimately the NWO, who control the US) want to destabilize the EU with all the refugees in order to prevent it from rivalling the US. That's also why they ordered Merkel to let them all in. To have ISIS as a convenient scapegoat is part of the plan of course. I'm sure you agree because I also heard (from the same person) people from the US are even more critical of their government than Europeans.Quote:
Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name
You heard it from me, personally.Quote:
I talked to someone who said it is a full success because the US (and ultimately the NWO, who control the US) want to destabilize the EU with all the refugees in order to prevent it from rivalling the US. That's also why they ordered Merkel to let them all in. To have ISIS as a convenient scapegoat is part of the plan of course. I'm sure you agree because I also heard (from the same person) people from the US are even more critical of their government than Europeans.
Just doing my bit to divide and conquer. :cool2:
I just noticed this. Point of fact, the psychopathic rapist-killers don't care what you call them. Liberal clap trap, no doubt thought up by someone who has "the pen is mightier than the sword" embroidered on *his/her/their/its* free trade duvet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXVE01oOTAMQuote:
Originally Posted by Husar
Pretty sure it's intended to show you're down with the Muslim Plebs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
Remember - France is run by an aristocratic elite.
It's cheap propaganda that's actually mildly offensive.
Unfortunately I’ve seen so far that there’s some truth to the claims that many Muslims sympathize or are indifferent towards the attacks, even though one of the victims was a Moroccan Muslim.
Granted most of the people I heard saying this come from the only two Wahhabi countries in the world. Also terrifying that they didn't give a flying fuck that one of the victims was a Muslim, as long as in the grand scheme of things they "showed our strength."
I guess some people really need to have sex. Or have a drink at least. I'm convinced now that strict Sharia states produce mentally ill people.
Dont care if they dont care so long as it pisses someone off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
It worked!Quote:
It's cheap propaganda that's actually mildly offensive
As apologist as they sound they're not lying. Daesh "Islam vs the world" narrative is pretty popular, and that sort of thing reinforces that story. It gives a sense of empowerment for the oppressed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
Daesh was initially a reactionary movement to 1 up the Shia militias in Iraq burning down Sunni towns. Their brutality was a statement that you as a Sunni can be protected and respond in kind to the Shia. It's them against the world, unlike the Shia's "Iran and us" against the world.
They care more than any other Jihadi group cares.
The only surprising thing about this is that you are surprised - this is all common knowledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by HitWithThe5
Now, I don't know about alcohol but the average IS fighter can get himself a sex slave for about a packet of cigarettes. If he beats her enough and she doesn't die he might be able to force her to convert and then he can marry her.
IS/Daesh/Satan's Own don't "care" at all - you might be able to use that argument with Hamas and Hezbollah because they set up hospitals and don't just shoot anyone who looks at them funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by HitWithThe5
The depredations of the Shia militias in Iraq are well known but that is a result of Saddam's marginalisation of the Shia creating resentment that has boiled over after his death and defeat - and the successive failed Iraqi governments. If IS are "one upping" the Shia then they are, per definition, worse and they are perpetuating the cycle of religious violence.
In any case, IS will attack anyone who isn't their brand of Sunni - Shia hardly get the brunt of it, that falls on the Druze, the Zorastrians, the Jews, the Christians, the Yazadi.
You seem immune to their plight but you're shocked Muslims would support the attacks just becasue of one Morrocan Muslim? Why should that even matter? they killed plenty of Christians in those attacks - are they not "People of the Book"?
Not sure what you’re on about. I’m just pointing out why they care what people say about them. It’s how they started, I meant being more brutal than the others. They exploited the plight of Sunnis in Iraq. Daesh hates nothing more than Shia, that's common knowledge.
It's not like some of the most violent people(s) in world history were known for debaucherous lifestyles, or anything. Violence might just be another form of sensual pleasure.Quote:
Originally Posted by HitWithThe5
Looks like I was right about the woman who blew {herself?} up. Looks like she was a victim with strapped up explosives. I'll spare you the video but she's obviously terrified
Ironic as Zoroastrianism was the origin of the Abrahamic religions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crandar
I've been struggling to articulate my feelings about this without going over old ground. However this sums it up for me.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eP_9kMmOO0
Brillo sticks it to the bad guys!
On a lighter note, this from the comments.
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He forgot Eric Cantona
http://news.yahoo.com/gunmen-attack-...084238110.html
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Gunmen attack luxury hotel in Mali capital, 170 taken hostage
By Tiemoko Diallo
BAMAKO (Reuters) - Islamist gunmen stormed a luxury hotel packed with foreigners in Mali's capital Bamako on Friday, taking 170 hostages in a former French colony that has been battling rebels allied to al Qaeda for several years.
A senior security source said some of the hostages had been freed after being made to recite verses from the Koran. The French newspaper Le Monde quoted the Malian security ministry as saying at least three hostages had been killed.
The raid on the Radisson Blu hotel, which lies just west of the city center near government ministries and diplomatic offices in the former French colony, comes a week after Islamic State militants killed 129 people in Paris.
The identity of the Bamako gunmen, or the group to which they belong, is not known.
Northern Mali was occupied by Islamist fighters, some with links to al Qaeda, for most of 2012. They were driven out by a French-led military operation, but sporadic violence has continued in Mali's central belt on the southern reaches of the Sahara, and in Bamako.....
Doesn't look so bad at the moment there, not many casualties so far. Greater concerns: drinking water. I am going to drink bottled water for a while untill everything is properly secured.