Bird mafia [Concluded]

And to reiterate a point that was completely ignored.

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Originally Posted by Zack

In fact, I think it's weird you keep saying referencing "the cat" as if we're dealing with a serial killer, when the setup explicitly says this is mafia v. town and the d1 writeup even mentions a "bird mafia". Combined with the cat carrying out a lynch, which makes no sense for the mafia to do, I'm not convinced there even is a cat that's mafia. The nightkill attempts don't say anything about cats; if anything, it seems to imply the "bird mafia" are birds shooting other birds.

Leads me to why I think Takhisis was killed.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

How do we know that the cat is the only scummo, again?

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DING DING DING! One of the last posts Barto/Takhisis made. And right after his death, enter Beskar -- "oh my, what a strange kill! of course I would never do such a thing! now back to that evil cat again..."

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Beskar keeps talking about "the cat" when the cat is not even the enemy! The very first post in the game says "this game will contain birds and bird byproducts", there is nothing about the possibility of other animals. The mafia are birds with guns. The cat is an NPC who carries out the lynches, not nightkills. And the first person who pointed this possibility out was promptly killed, despite the fact that they were lynchbait.

And Beskar ignored all of this and tried to shut me down by misconstruing my words and arguments and painting me as an illiterate buffoon.

Upon re-consideration I think Al Sips might actually be town. There is a stark difference between his behavior here and in barto's recent game (where al was mafia) and he is acting too flagrantly "bad townie" to be scum. An Al Sipsclar wagon is really low-effort.

Believe that's end of round. Tallying...

Al Sipsclar: 4 GH, Beskar, edse, Bsmith
Beskar: 3 Zack, Winston, Al Sips
Zack: 2 Khaan, atheotes

Not voting: Double A, Pelican :stare:

End of Day Three

Bird went wandering too close to habitat gate, which was still open. But bird had excellent vision, and spotted the cat.

Bird began to make his getaway.

Bird was quite speedy, and you'd think that bird would take flight and be rid of the cat once and for all, even if cat is good at climbing tree.

But Bird has tiny wings. Can't fly.

Lol flightless birds, amirite?

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Alive and predatorial birds:

Kiwikhaan
BirdSmith
Resplendent quetzack
Pelican
aletheotes
edseedsnipe
Winstone-curlew
General Hawkerchief
Besrakar
Doubleday's hummingbird


Dead:

Pigeon
Emu- Sooh
Turtle Dove- Autolycus
Turtle Dove- Jolt
Greater sage-grouse- El Barto
Flightless Cormorant- Al Sipsclar


BEGIN NIGHT THREE!

remember only mafia change their vote

10 living players, 5 dead townies

2 Town: Zack (duh), Winston (duh)

2 Scum: Beskar (been there), BSmith (lurking, jumps in on low-effort bandwagon --> bsmith is mafia)

4 Undecided: GeneralHankerchief (lean scum), atheotes (lean bleh), khaan (lean town), edse (lean town)

2 Inactive: Double A, Pelican (lean scum)

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I assume there's 3 scum in a 15 player game. {Beskar, BSmith, x} where x ≠ Zack, Winston Hughes. Right now my gut says GH and the scum piled on al sips to save beskar, but that does seem a bit foolhardy. I can see Pelican as mafia since Beskar mentioned him being inactive somehow automatically made him town and tried to move votes off him.

This GH post is really weird, I'd like him to explain it:

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Anyone heavily involved with yesterday isn't scum, we need to go looking elsewhere.

Vote: Pelican

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How do you define someone "heavily involved with yesterday" and why aren't they scum?

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Originally Posted by Zack

How do you define someone "heavily involved with yesterday" and why aren't they scum?

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The D1 argument mostly revolving around Winston and Barto. Seemed like town vs. town.

Also why do you have Winston as lock town? Because of the Barto nightkill?

FWIW I have both you and Beskar as likely town, with you as slightly more likely. You made a decent case against him yesterday but Beskar's behavior does seem to be in line with how he usually plays as town - most notably publicly appearing as in the know and also claiming certain predictions of his were correct when said predictions were never made in the thread.

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Originally Posted by Zack

2 Scum: Beskar (been there), BSmith (lurking, jumps in on low-effort bandwagon --> bsmith is mafia)

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Nope. I was offline this weekend and didn’t want to give a throw away vote this morning. I also thought there was less time left in the day. As scum I will shy away from making a decisive vote. I do feel that you and Beskar are both town. (and really, what are the chances you rand scum three times in a row?)

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Originally Posted by BSmith

(and really, what are the chances you rand scum three times in a row?)

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Since we're not taking odds at the start of the three-game stretch but rather 2/3 of the way through it, his chances are precisely the same as his chances of being scum in one game.

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The D1 argument mostly revolving around Winston and Barto. Seemed like town vs. town.

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So... winston? At that point why bother to say "anyone"? And to be so sure of it.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Also why do you have Winston as lock town? Because of the Barto nightkill?

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His behavior mostly, though the barto kill is a factor. What do you think about that kill choice? I don't see any other explanation than what I have proposed.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

FWIW I have both you and Beskar as likely town, with you as slightly more likely. You made a decent case against him yesterday but Beskar's behavior does seem to be in line with how he usually plays as town - most notably publicly appearing as in the know and also claiming certain predictions of his were correct when said predictions were never made in the thread.

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How would he act differently if he were mafia?

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Originally Posted by BSmith

Nope. I was offline this weekend and didn’t want to give a throw away vote this morning. I also thought there was less time left in the day. As scum I will shy away from making a decisive vote. I do feel that you and Beskar are both town. (and really, what are the chances you rand scum three times in a row?)

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Why Beskar town?

It wouldn't be in a row, fwiw. Barto's game here and the two mini games on CFC I was town.

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GH and BSmith, who do you actually suspect?

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Also why do you have Winston as lock town?

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Because he's scum.

But you already knew that, didn't you?

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Originally Posted by Zack

So... winston? At that point why bother to say "anyone"? And to be so sure of it.

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I thought there was a third person siding with one of the two. Might've even been you.

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What do you think about that kill choice? I don't see any other explanation than what I have proposed.

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Bit odd, but I generally think devoting attention to making anything out of kill choices is a waste of time, especially this early on in the game. Endgame, fine, but not now.

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How would he act differently if he were mafia?

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Less like that? :laugh4:

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GH and BSmith, who do you actually suspect?

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I did suspect Al Sips until about two hours ago when Pizza posted the lynch. Beyond that I think our scum is some combination of BSmith, one or two of our inactive players, and maybe atheotes.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Less like that? :laugh4:

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Very obvious, but yes, you are correct with that GH.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

I think our scum is some combination of BSmith, one or two of our inactive players, and maybe atheotes.

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I think our scum is some combination of you, Zack and Beskar.

Zack/Beskar scum combo would be interesting. Wonder if they're the type to bus each other that hard, this early.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Zack/Beskar scum combo would be interesting. Wonder if they're the type to bus each other that hard, this early.

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If it was true, I would use my night kill on Zack at this point (even if he was my 'partner'). Now, I can only pray for such an outcome.

Is that even allowed?

And why bring up an unnecessary WIFOM?

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Is that even allowed?

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I would actually be surprised if it would ever be allowed in a mafia game. Would only work if there were different factions.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Is that even allowed?

And why bring up an unnecessary WIFOM?

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I've done it before. Well, kind of. It was a cult. And a personal daykill ability with limited uses.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

If it was true, I would use my night kill on Zack at this point (even if he was my 'partner'). Now, I can only pray for such an outcome.

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what would possess you to even say such a thing, it doesn't make sense from any perspective

Am I dead yet?

are we bird, or are we dancer?

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Originally Posted by Zack

what would possess you to even say such a thing, it doesn't make sense from any perspective

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Admittedly, it was to try stop a possible night kill on myself. :laugh4:

thought you wanted to die to prove all your reads correct?

Unfortunately, they are not correct. There were a couple of factors I failed to involve which GH corrected me of. I would like to try another re-read in the future, just for ego-sake. So dying wouldn't show much at this point, and getting wrong reads means it would put weight into my reads, which would be advantageous to the scum (thus, saying this now to dispel that reasoning if I die).

Though in a "before I die" moment, some of my early game discussion about the cat was confusion on my part, as I thought the cat was the mafia, then at the 2nd night kill, I realised there is no cat involvement in it, but another bird and re-read the first night kill, thus 'change of tone'.

End of Night Three

Bird is a very curious and courageous bird. Bird has no fear of humans, for example. And Bird had never even met a feline.

So you can imagine how Bird was feeling when Bird saw something approach that night.

First Bird let out very friendly greeting honk. But there was no reply.

Bird waddled right up to this new friend, tiny wings outstretched.

And Bird is very popular in entire world. Bird is even major Hollywood movie star. One of cutest Birds of all. In Antarctica, Bird commands respect and admiration. Bird pretty much own the land and the sea. You see, in Antarctica, Bird has no natural predators.

But Bird not in Antarctica anymore, is Bird?

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Bird was shot so much, Bird now unrecognizable.

Alive and predatorial birds:

Kiwikhaan
BirdSmith
Resplendent quetzack
Pelican
edseedsnipe
Winstone-curlew
General Hawkerchief
Besrakar
Doubleday's hummingbird


Dead:

Pigeon - narrator
Emu- Sooh
Turtle Dove- Autolycus
Turtle Dove- Jolt
Greater sage-grouse- El Barto
Flightless Cormorant- Al Sipsclar
Penguin- atheotes

BEGIN DAY FOUR!

Countdown to End of Day Four

why is winston still alive?

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Originally Posted by Zack

why is winston still alive?

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Why was atheotes killed of all people?

Being honest, I was expecting it to be me or you. For that whole "Beskar is scum!" "Zack is scum!" routine for the round.

I don't think it is Double A or Pelican, far too inactive. Plus, if it was them, and it was random night kills, then I think post-game, birds win by default in my book. :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Beskar

I don't think it is Double A or Pelican, far too inactive.

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I agree in that it's probably not both of them, but it could be one of them and then somebody more active.

Vote: khaan

Zack why do you have khaan listed as lean town in your reads post from last page?

I think it's weird you would insist pelican/aa are town when the kills seem pretty random to me

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Zack why do you have khaan listed as lean town in your reads post from last page?

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idk seems similar to how he played in mafia v cult. I haven't done a thorough analysis or anything

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Vote: khaan

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Why 'khaan? Not that I disagree, I have a gut feeling on him, but I am interested in your reasoning.

Either way, he should speak up. vote: 'khaan.

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Originally Posted by Zack

I think it's weird you would insist pelican/aa are town when the kills seem pretty random to me

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Because if it is random kills due to inactivity, I fundamentally disagree with that concept. No point trying to lynch people who are not even going to read the thread, regardless of random kills or not, it simply isn't fun.

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Originally Posted by Zack

idk seems similar to how he played in mafia v cult. I haven't done a thorough analysis or anything

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He was more active in that game as town. He is more similar to Rise of the Snake Cult where he plays more inactively as Mafia.

No reason, it's a prod on him more than anything else. But out of our lesser posters I think he's the most likely to respond to it.

vote: Zack

Should have killed me.

GH and Beskar his partners.

So of the four most active people in the game, three of them are allied against the last one?

Yup.

Don't worry, though. The chances of anyone believing me are minimal. Game's close to locked for you at this stage.

Kiwikhaan – Nothing specific in thread, but I do find Beskar’s analysis on his playstyle intriguing. Would like to know more about why others are voting for him today though.
BirdSmith – 100% lock clear – at least from my perspective. :yes:
Resplendent quetzack – The whole beskar v. zack spat still has the air of town v. town, but after a re-read of the thread there are some things that rub me wronger about zack – mainly that the reactions seem a little overdone. Zack is known to get righteous at times and take easy offence to the “wrong” reasons to suspect him, but he seems a little over the top. That and the several joking type references about being scum* (or that are certainly borderline and would be the type of thing a confident scummer would post as a taunt) lend me to double think my earlier town reading on Zack.
Pelican – frankly I’ve got nothing one way or the other on Pelican.
edseedsnipe – Same with pelican. Mainly tallies and one funny post in response to Winston being tired. No real read here either.
Winstone-curlew – I actually feel Winston is town, mainly because of the tone of his posting – it seems carefree and unforced. Like someone who doesn’t have a lot of time, doesn’t really care about how he comes across, and is just having fun. None of these are particularly scummy traits.
General Hawkerchief – Active in the discussions, seems to be positively contributing and encouraging discussion. Yet for all of that I don’t have a lean one way or the other. I can see him going either way. I do feel that he is being up front about his perspectives on other player’s posting styles and habits.
Besrakar – As I described above, I get a town vibe from Beskar. Large part of this though is GH’s “vouching” for his playstyle. More comfortable coming to terms with him being town vs. zack as described above.
Doubleday's hummingbird – No real read one way or the other with AA either.

Bottom line – I am leaning Zack or Khaan, but I am certainly open to persuasion either way.

Also – is the day really only 24 hours?




*Examples of Zack posts that could be hidden in plain sight references:

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Originally Posted by Zack

0 gold says it's not.

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Originally Posted by Zack

Instead of choosing one of the bandwagons, I think I'll just keep my throwaway vote on GH for now. This does not make scum. In fact, this is so transparently scummy, the only reasonable conclusion is that I must be town. QED.

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This seems like you're deliberately holding back from committing. Two people have voted khaan for so far and we've both followed it up with reasons.

Vote: BSmith

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

This seems like you're deliberately holding back from committing. Two people have voted khaan for so far and we've both followed it up with reasons.

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…and those reasons are “no reason” and “gut feeling”. Both about as thin as one can go and even attempt to call it a reason.

I am holding back because I don’t have a strong feeling in any particular direction, save perhaps away from Winston and Beskar – but to be honest if a compelling case was to be made on one them I’d at least consider it. I lean harder towards Khaan and Zack as I described above. I don’t see a need at this time to add another vote to the Khaan wagon and I’m still on the fence about Zack. So yeah. Other than putting a random vote on someone else in an attempt to “pressure” them I don’t have many good options. I’d rather hold back and see how the conversation develops before formally putting in a vote. But it is not like you don’t know what I am currently thinking about everyone.

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Originally Posted by Zack

Vote: BSmith

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Scratch that. No longer on the fence about Vote: Zack

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Originally Posted by BSmith

Scratch that. No longer on the fence about Vote: Zack

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BSmith is known to get righteous at times and take easy offence to the “wrong” reasons to suspect him, but he seems a little over the top.

:laugh4: Your turn with a bout with Zack, BSmith.

Now I am tired and heading to bed, up at 6am and out all day tomorrow. If there is a new development that I should consider, ping me with with a [.mention]Beskar[./mention] and I will attempt to see it before the round is over.

Meh. Yeah idk, I've not really had it in me this game, sorry.

Vote: Bsmith For a long-ish post of little real substance that ends with him just waffling and asking people to tell him what to do.

Time Warner keeps living up to my expectations, so I haven't had stable Internet this week. Sorry Pizzaman.

Anyway, I think Winston's town due to his defeatist mood. Leaning Beskar for scum so vote: Beskar

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Kiwikhaan – Nothing specific in thread, but I do find Beskar’s analysis on his playstyle intriguing. Would like to know more about why others are voting for him today though.

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keep in mind this is one of bsmith's two strongest reads

a townie sees scum behind every corner. a mafia sees town everywhere. BSmith has decided to make noncommittal accusations against townies while town-reading his teammates. (Assuming khaan is town, because if him and bsmith were partners, bsmith wouldn't hesitate to jump on the wagon to bus him). I assume the reason bsmith isn't voting khaan is because at least one mafia already is (GH and/or Beskar).

Something interesting. Last night GH said:

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I did suspect Al Sips until about two hours ago when Pizza posted the lynch. Beyond that I think our scum is some combination of BSmith, one or two of our inactive players, and maybe atheotes.

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atheotes shows up dead, and gh places an unexplained vote for khaan (and yes i realize he came in later to say "force divided by area vote" which is the same as admitting there's no reason), who he did not indicate any suspicion towards. Only thing giving me pause is that the whole thing -- calling half the players town and only fingering inactives plus atheotes/bsmith as targets (about as noncontroversial as you could possibly be), then killing atheotes... seems inexplicably lazy/sloppy if he is scum.

BSmith said:

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As scum I will shy away from making a decisive vote. I do feel that you and Beskar are both town. (and really, what are the chances you rand scum three times in a row?)

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Notice how he has shied away from making a decisive vote today. Also notice how he strongly felt I was town, even throwing in a meaningless statistic to bolster his claim, then comes in today and immediately calls me one of his top two suspects. Quite the turnaround for being based on nothing that happened between those two reads. His reads on gh and beskar are pretty fluffy too. Actually, all his reads are -- the only one he seemed to put any effort into was mine, which is weird for someone he insisted was town more than once yesterday. Almost like he was looking for someone to give him a reason to vote me (which I obliged), and was never truly interested in voting khaan, but he didn't want to be the one to make the big push to save khaan. Look at his khaan read again, he even admits that he has no real reason to suspect him, but still throws him in as a top suspect because that's what impeccable townies gh and beskar are doing (and if him and khaan are partners, voicing suspicion of your teammate without actually voting them is a classic scum tactic, I have a bad habit of using it all the time).

So to conclude, I think BSmith is definitely scum. Likeliest partners are khaan, beskar, inactives... sigh, idk could be anyone really.

Looking at yesterday's wagons:

I still have a bad feeling that Al Sipsclar was a scum-wagon.

Beskar wagon had a dead townie, me (100% town), and winston (my strongest town read other than myself) on it. Coincidence that the al sips wagon was filled with scum and beskar wagon with town? This leading question indicates that isn't the case.

Zack wagon had a dead townie and khaan (winston was the one who drove it however). Think beskar was on it at some point. Definitely less scummy to be on than the al sips one.

Pretty much seems that people jumped on al sips to save beskar. iirc GH prodded beskar to go that direction fwiw.

Missed in the last post - I mentioned that:

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voicing suspicion of your teammate without actually voting them is a classic scum tactic, I have a bad habit of using it all the time

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but failed to point out that GH voiced suspicion of bsmith (immediately after I had done so) but has not followed it up today, instead going after khaan for some reason and even trying to get bsmith to join him. Weird way to treat your only suspect that isn't inactive.

I was suspicious of BSmith last night, I think Khan is being honest, unvote;vote:BSmith.

(Limited access, at a conference)

GH is generally a hard read and he has been doing the wise sage role in this game. Only times I had a strong scent of scum in the past is when he getting lynched on Day 1 and plays really hardball like in Snake Cult and Subotans China game, both times redirecting lynch on me. :laugh4:
It could be that GH is scum, he does have a key advantage in that scenario to make friends with victimised townies, I've: me and Zack last day phase, which he could use to buy street cred which can be exploited. Who would you rather side with? aggressive Zack, or friendly GH? Also being Gameroom mod, he might go for random kills or go for inactive-ish players like ath, which one of ath's scum tells funnily enough. I am going to lean on him being on the scum side. Also, his vote on Khaan could be to try to direct me down that path, then Khaan comes out as town, he can begin turning votes around on me. Something he is more than capable of doing.

My gut says Khaan is being honest as the usual excuse for inactivity is being busy, Khaan is quite active, and what struck me was that he simply outright said "sorry, I am not into this game" which twigged me as being usual for him, as usually getting called out usually results in a reply defending or accusation.

Going to keep vote on BSmith, were good points raised by Zack and they need addressing.

I think you're reading into it a little too much. I'm simply calling it as I see it, not trying to collect sympathy favors from people in order to cash in on them later on. I have a town read on Zack right now, but if something changes and I think he's scum later on, I'm not going to keep him alive just because he might be more likely to vote with me. I'm going to try to get him lynched.

What is your thoughts on 'Khaan? He replied and you know him better as a person.

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keep in mind this is one of bsmith's two strongest reads

a townie sees scum behind every corner. a mafia sees town everywhere. BSmith has decided to make noncommittal accusations against townies while town-reading his teammates. (Assuming khaan is town, because if him and bsmith were partners, bsmith wouldn't hesitate to jump on the wagon to bus him). I assume the reason bsmith isn't voting khaan is because at least one mafia already is (GH and/or Beskar).

Something interesting. Last night GH said:


atheotes shows up dead, and gh places an unexplained vote for khaan (and yes i realize he came in later to say "force divided by area vote" which is the same as admitting there's no reason), who he did not indicate any suspicion towards. Only thing giving me pause is that the whole thing -- calling half the players town and only fingering inactives plus atheotes/bsmith as targets (about as noncontroversial as you could possibly be), then killing atheotes... seems inexplicably lazy/sloppy if he is scum.

BSmith said:


Notice how he has shied away from making a decisive vote today. Also notice how he strongly felt I was town, even throwing in a meaningless statistic to bolster his claim, then comes in today and immediately calls me one of his top two suspects. Quite the turnaround for being based on nothing that happened between those two reads. His reads on gh and beskar are pretty fluffy too. Actually, all his reads are -- the only one he seemed to put any effort into was mine, which is weird for someone he insisted was town more than once yesterday. Almost like he was looking for someone to give him a reason to vote me (which I obliged), and was never truly interested in voting khaan, but he didn't want to be the one to make the big push to save khaan. Look at his khaan read again, he even admits that he has no real reason to suspect him, but still throws him in as a top suspect because that's what impeccable townies gh and beskar are doing (and if him and khaan are partners, voicing suspicion of your teammate without actually voting them is a classic scum tactic, I have a bad habit of using it all the time).

So to conclude, I think BSmith is definitely scum. Likeliest partners are khaan, beskar, inactives... sigh, idk could be anyone really.

Looking at yesterday's wagons:

I still have a bad feeling that Al Sipsclar was a scum-wagon.

Beskar wagon had a dead townie, me (100% town), and winston (my strongest town read other than myself) on it. Coincidence that the al sips wagon was filled with scum and beskar wagon with town? This leading question indicates that isn't the case.

Zack wagon had a dead townie and khaan (winston was the one who drove it however). Think beskar was on it at some point. Definitely less scummy to be on than the al sips one.

Pretty much seems that people jumped on al sips to save beskar. iirc GH prodded beskar to go that direction fwiw.

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To be clear I have made non-committal accusations against everyone except for the two that I explained why I was getting town leans. Everyone else could certainly be scum (hell even those two could be). I am hardly clearing anyone. I am a vanilla townie in a game with no private networking and so far no reveals of any information from any potential power roles and no dead mafia yet. The only thing I have to go off of is the 4 people talking in the thread. Is it any wonder that I have the most to go on with you Zack? You being the highest poster in game means the most material to react to.

I never had you lock town. I said that I felt that the spat between you and Beskar felt like town v. town to me. After re-reading the thread a narrative formed in my mind where you could be scum, and that is what I outlined.

I didn’t accuse Khaan hard. I said I leant towards him being scum mainly on other’s reactions. I also wasn’t fully convinced of my own narrative on you, which is why I held off on voting. It’s not like I wasn’t going to have another chance before the end of day to actually register a vote. It’s also not like I hadn’t just laid out what I was thinking on every single player – an exercise that would be good for everyone to do, by the way.

Literally anyone at this point could be scum but frankly I have nothing solid on anyone.

And come on. When have you known me to be so careless on buddying up to my partners? I am much more likely to bus early and often than to make bold saving moves and buddy-buddy up in thread with my partners.

Your argument against me seems compelling at first blush, but frankly it relies entirely on speculation on your behalf as well as a revisionist perspective on past events to fit that narrative. You take things that happened and extrapolate them to their extremes, or exaggerate the point to inflate your point of view.

It also comes from the conflicting point of view that townies must be decisive with no information yet scum are not with full information. While there are certainly tendencies in reactions by scum on how they handle the information they have, this is certainly never a lock solid case.

To reiterate – I am Vanilla town, and your case against me feels like you are trying to make a specific narrative fit rather than a natural conclusion to the in thread facts.

It would certainly be more helpful if the lower posters started posting more though.

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To reiterate – I am Vanilla town, and your case against me feels like you are trying to make a specific narrative fit rather than a natural conclusion to the in thread facts.

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I could say the same to you.

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I said that I felt that the spat between you and Beskar felt like town v. town to me. After re-reading the thread a narrative formed in my mind where you could be scum, and that is what I outlined.

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Yes, but when I did it I wasn't pushing hard for your lynch - merely posting my thoughts about people. Again, this is not a binary situation where I was either fully vouching for your towniness or urgently pushing for your death. I was hoping for some continued discussion on my perspective rather than a "this is my case take it or leave it" type of scenario.

Listen, if you want me to move my vote, you need to convince me there's a better candidate out there. Considering you haven't really pushed anyone except myself for the lynch, you're just defending yourself without presenting a viable alternative, so I'm unconvinced.

Is the day already over?

Vote: BSmith anyway

Just saw, it is over. I don't think your vote changes the outcome anyway, so probably should be okay if Pizza included it (unless it is tied to a special ability).

I am just hoping BSmith turns red (or scum coloured)

Khaan: GH,
Zack: WH, BSmith
BSmith: Zack, Khaan, Beskar
Beskar: AA

Didn't vote (or voted late): Edse, Pelican

Sorry for delay, went away from keyboard for a while. Writeup in progress.

End of Day Four


Bird was thought to be a cat by other birds. This made Bird sad, so he decided to leave habitat.

Someone really should close gate, thought Bird. Will let Cat out.

Wait, why is Cat in? Bird started flapping wings to get away! But Bird cannot fly.

Still, Bird was not ready to give up. Bird stood as high as he could, and prepared to strike cat.

But Bird is smallest flightless bird in the world. Cat ate Bird in single gulp. Or not really.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4ypg3lkh.png

Meanwhile, elsewhere, other Bird was very quiet, and wandered too close to feasting Cat.

Although Bird is very quiet, Cat spotted Bird. But this Bird was very ready to take on evil Cat.

Bird inflated large pouch, to look incredibly big and frightening! Or perhaps, to blow up like a balloon and float away. Would be improvement over all these danged flightless birds everywhere.

But in actuality, throat pouch inflation is for impressing the lady Birds. Not for intimidating Cat, or for floating away.

And Cat has claws, and probably not a good idea to be a passive, inflated Bird when Cat is hungry and wants to scratch weird looking birds to death.

Bird suffered WRATH OF CAT!!!!

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/...psy8ib7tud.jpg

So many goofy looking Birds. None seem capable of standing up to the evil Cat.



Alive and predatorial birds:

Kiwikhaan
Resplendent quetzack
edseedsnipe
Winstone-curlew
General Hawkerchief
Besrakar
Doubleday's hummingbird


Dead:

Pigeon - narrator
Emu- Sooh
Turtle Dove- Autolycus
Turtle Dove- Jolt
Greater sage-grouse- El Barto
Flightless Cormorant- Al Sipsclar
Penguin- atheotes
Inaccessible Island Rail- BSmith
Magnificent Frigate Bird- Pelican (Wrath of Cat)

BEGIN NIGHT FOUR!

Well, at least I was right about Pelican. :creep:

mafia is a dumb game

I know who I am going to vote for next day phase, I think. Though knowing my luck, they will get night killed and turn out to be town then I will be hanging up my hat and going "Yup, now I am done. I lost big time."

That is a really magnificent bird.

End of Night Four


Bird was very active that night, searching for seeds and grubs and things to eat, sniffing around with nostrils. Yes, Bird actually has nostrils and a highly developed sense of smell.

Bird could smell animal approaching. Bird recognized the scent.... it was not Cat. Cat would not want to go near these things.

Things were hunting Bird, so Bird use its impressive anatomy to do something no other Bird can do....

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Lay egg one quarter its own size.

Very well played, Bird.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Now, if only Bird had wings, Bird could get away.

Run, Bird!

But there nowhere to run.

And Bird not faster than speeding bullet. Bird merely beloved and goofy-looking and very endangered New Zealand mascot.

Bird not endangered anymore. There nothing dangerous to dead Bird.


https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/...psdstxcadn.png

Alive and predatorial birds:

Kiwikhaan
Resplendent quetzack
edseedsnipe
Winstone-curlew
General Hawkerchief
Doubleday's hummingbird


Dead:

Pigeon - narrator
Emu- Sooh
Turtle Dove- Autolycus
Turtle Dove- Jolt
Greater sage-grouse- El Barto
Flightless Cormorant- Al Sipsclar
Penguin- atheotes
Inaccessible Island Rail- BSmith
Magnificent Frigate Bird- Pelican (Wrath of Cat)
Kiwi- Beskar

BEGIN DAY FIVE!!!

One further mislynch, and Town Loses. No Lynch is a valid option.

Countdown to End of Day Five

Not even 48 hours for Lylo?

If people want more time I'll extend it. At final 6, usually it ends as no lynch.

Oh right, that's a thing.

For folks that have done this thing before, is that the plan then? In the meantime I'll get some work done
watch more NCAA March Madness games
do a reread and see if anything comes up.

Vote: GH

Quote:

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Anyone heavily involved with yesterday isn't scum, we need to go looking elsewhere.

Vote: Pelican

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The more I read this and that day phase, the less I like it. What's with this declarative statement? Not only did you never clarify *why* you think this, even if you had, you know as well as I do the power of wifom, especially given how much we like to rib on occam's razor on steam. I *know* you know better than this sort of statement.

The kill targets ring as something you'd do too.

Another thing... you have *lots* of "town" reads as I go through the thread. Town read on winston, town read on zack, town read on beskar, "this is town vs town". If I see this once, maybe twice, I'll notn pay much mind, but this is a pretty consistent thing. C'mon, town GH, gimme that scum read. Even yesterday, when you gave me a poke vote, you poked me, and kept posting a bit, and then kinda just let it fall flat. Gimme that vigor. I know you're posting, but I'm not feeling the intent.

I think we're looking at GH-Winston, on my gut. I'm especially looking at the Auto lynch here especially - each one on a different wagon, ready to intercede if the winston case picked up steam. In fact, they've not voted for the same person the *entire* game. While that could be purely incidental, given we're on LYLO, that seems less likely.

Vote: GeneralHankerchief