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I'm going to vote for Sasaki. His posts are very suspicious. He has been going after Kommodus for the whole game now, but with a sudden vote changing last round from Kommodus to GH and from GH to Caius. There's something fishy in his posting/voting methods this game.
Vote: Sasaki
Btw Peasant Phill, Xiahou started using that quote before the kills and it's likely that the latin quotes are a red herring. Its a rather historical quote.
Voting Closed
"Friends, Romans, Countrymen we have chosen today to kill one of our oldest and most revered members, Senator Indubitanter Peto known as Kommodus. As a punishment to such a veteran the senate we hereby decree he should be crucified at the steps of the senate as a reminder to the plebs that justice will be done. Retire now my friends and let us watch the punishment - justice has been done."
As they filed out there was a rumble and the floor began to shake. A rift suddenly appeared in the floor swallowing up Senator desidiosus known as the Destroyer of Hope. The rumbling ceased and the rift resealed itself. A voice boomed out "Foolish Mortals do not tempt the gods through inaction we will smite those who do not contribute!"
Votes
Kommodus = 5 (doc_bean, Craterus ,Sasaki Kojiro, Xiahou, Reenk Rionk)
Craterus = 1 (Jimbob)
Sasaki Kojiro = 1 (AggonyDuck)
abstain = 1 (Don Corleone)
Alive
Sasaki Kojiro
Don Corleone
Csar
doc_bean
Craterus
Reenk Roink
Xiahou
AggonyDuck
JimBob
Dead
Crazed Rabbit
Masy
Kagemusha
Dutch_guy
Peasant Phill
GeneralHankerchief
Executed
Ituralde
Caius Flaminius
Kommodus
Suicide
Proletariat
Wrath of God
Destroyer of Hope
I have decided the next night phase will be extra long - this night phase will end Noon GMT on Wednesday - everyone enjoy your holidays and hopefully we can come back and finish this game afterwards
Interesting. 9 left. Since csar can't vote and can't be killed, if there is one more wrath of god then we only have one lynch left. But I think everyone from the list has been active enough. Praetor should definitely claim next round though.
Ok Kommodus. Did you come up with any results at all from your system? I'm curious.
Oh don't worry, Sasaki has been on my target list since round 3. He'll die by our lynching next round. I've made it clear that Sasaki must die.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
I'm finishing up my speech against him, it'll come after Christmas. :yes:
I never notice JimBob around, does he always post this little ?
I'm all for voting for Sasaki next round, he's been acting 'funny', or 'funnier' than usual anyway :inquisitive:
You think I've been acting funny and yet you voted for caius and kommodus without giving a reason?Quote:
Originally Posted by doc_bean
Its a little less than in Csar's game. In my own defense I'm still getting my feet wet in mafia. And this is the third day of winter break for me. I have not really spent much time at home or lucid. Come the next round I'll be getting back up to speed.Quote:
I never notice JimBob around, does he always post this little ?
:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
EDIT: Merry Christmas everyone!
There's no date for the edit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kommodus
:inquisitive:
It happens sometimes if you edit real fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by AggonyDuck
@Kommodus: As I suspected, you didn't bother trying to find mafia because you were mafia.
Actually, it was Reenk that inspired me to add the latin phrase to add my own bit of flavor to the Senate setting.Quote:
Originally Posted by AggonyDuck
IIRC, it was often spoken by Cato during the lead up to the 3rd Punic War. He was concerned by Carthage's growing prosperity and was convinced Rome should finish them off. He made a habit of adding that statement at the end of all his speeches to drive the point home. :beam:
As to my next suspect, I'm not convinced of the wisdom in naming names before the rebels strike again... If we start to cast suspicion on an innocent Senator to the point they look likely to be executed the rebels need not consider them as a kill since we're likely to lynch the Senator for them. :shrug:
Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.
Hey, you said it yourself, you're always going to be suspicious :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I voted for Kommodus because I was tired of the endless debates of his 'morals' in this game, he took away the focus from finding the rebels, though he might have also been a rebel himself. Either way, I saw lynching Kommodus as a win-win situation (obviously one kind of win is a lot better than the other).
the night phase will end at noon tommorow - I hope everyone has had a great holiday and is fresh and ready to finish this game
well i had a 6 hour powercut from 11 till 5 and then i havent been able to get onto the org so todays kills are pushed back to tommorow - sorry all it was an act of a greater power than me... the north hertfordshire power board
Senator Novus Caro, known to his friends and enemies alike as jimbob, was the most learned man in all of Rome. His library was the largest collection of historical accounts known to the world, with the exception of the library at alexandria. He was convinced he could find the Rebels Identities by pouring through old scrolls, in a way he was right. He was reading a very interesting account of a battle against the gauls when a fellow senator sat down in front of him. Novus was a little confused he was sure he had ordered his slaves to turn everyone away. The Senator Spoke, "Good evening my friend Novus i come with an offer. Your Learned nature would be very useful to us when we rule all you have to do is agree to serve me and renounce the senate." "NO" screamed as he Realised who was sitting in front of him "you are a rebel and a murderer i will never serve you!". He drew his dagger and lunged at the Traitor but he had not looked behind him. As he lept up from the table a large Gaulish Slave slipped a leather cord around his neck and within seconds had squeezed all the life out of poor Novus. "Oh well it was worth a shot, you know what to do", the slave nodded and the traitorous senator left. in the Morning the words "Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc" were found written in Novus's blood across the walls...
Senator Craterus was scared out of his mind. He knew the Senate was doomed and was sure he was next. So sure in fact he had decided to flee with his mistress to his villa out of rome. in the Middle of the night they crept out to his litter and started to head out of Rome - they didnt make it far. Craterus Rolled over and felt something sharp bite into his skin. The Mistresses screams awoke the guards who found Craterus Shaking uncontrollable with white froth forming at his mouth. He was dead in minutes...
"well my friends" Csar announced "this is it our numbers our so small now - we have only 2 chances left and so this vote will be the most important yet. Let us not waste this for then all will be lost"
Alive
Sasaki Kojiro
Don Corleone
Csar
doc_bean
Reenk Roink
Xiahou
AggonyDuck
Dead
Crazed Rabbit
Masy
Kagemusha
Dutch_guy
Peasant Phill
GeneralHankerchief
JimBob
Craterus
Executed
Ituralde
Caius Flaminius
Kommodus
Suicide
Proletariat
Wrath of God
Destroyer of Hope
Don't vote Sasaki, Reenk or me, stand by for further information (gotta go...)
tumtumtum
this is a very strange game
Dutch_GuyQuote:
Originally Posted by Sir Moody
Reenk RoinkQuote:
Originally Posted by Sir Moody
SasakiQuote:
Originally Posted by Sir Moody
CraterusQuote:
Originally Posted by Sir Moody
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Moody
Farewell friends, countrymen, Romans, I know my end is near, I hope what little information I have gathered will help you root out the rebels. I will probably be killed tonight, but before that, I will make sure another suspect is lynched !
Damn, damn, damn. This sucks. If we lynch today, and we guess wrong, we're all but doomed. If we don't lynch today, we're certainly doomed. :no:
Doc_Bean's reveal is about the only thing we have going for us. If he's telling the truth, then the suspects are:
Don Corleone
Xiahou
Aggony_Duck
If not, then Reenk, Doc_Bean and Sasaki are also still suspects. I think we must have gotten one of them by now. The game should end when we nail the next one.
Reenk, you said you had a long laundry list of evidence against Sasaki that was irrefutable. Could you please share it now? If you're right, then there are 2 rebels left... Doc_Bean would have to be in on it, unless there's a twist..
Sasaki, you're always one of the best end-game players. What do you think?
Come on folks!!! We've only got one or two shots left!!! :wall:
I'm pretty sure it's AggonyDuck.
Duck has avoided taking a strong position on anything this game.
On Kommodus:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
That's a lot of words, they all try to make Kommodus seem innocent but they never say he is. Duck is just "not so convinced", "correct me if I'm wrong" etc. If you read that passage while disagreeing with him it won't jump out at you like stronger statements would. It's a technique for avoiding attention.
He also avoids saying he's suspicious of anyone. He wants everyone to think he thinks they are innocent. His first vote was for Craterus:
Note the lengthy qualifier "I don't think you're guilty but you have stay alive a long time". He follows this up in a later post with further qualification:Quote:
I do not think that it is in our advantage to abstain now. Thus I will cast my vote on someone and I've decided to cast my vote on Craterus. He has an uncanny ability to survive far in to the game, without really much posting anything and remaining as a great unknown throughout the whole game.
Vote: Craterus
Quote:
Craterus, I don't have anything against you except the fact that you have a tendency to stay under the radar and survive to the endgame. I've already played a couple of games where you have been a "unknown" at the end game and I'd rather not have such a situation again.
His vote for Reenk Roink is in the same vein.Quote:
EDIT: Forgot my vote. My vote goes for Reenk Roink. Of the two he is the one being a bit more suspicious, although what value that has remains to be seen.
Vote: Reenk Roink
He abstains against Caius:
Quote:
Kinda busy at the moment and I don't feel like joining the Caius bandwagon, so:
Vote: Abstain
He makes a strong vote against me but we'll get back to this one, as this is when I started pm'ing him.Quote:
I'm going to vote for Sasaki. His posts are very suspicious. He has been going after Kommodus for the whole game now, but with a sudden vote changing last round from Kommodus to GH and from GH to Caius. There's something fishy in his posting/voting methods this game.
Vote: Sasaki
We have this set of statements:
If the game is a lottery, then you don't have to have a strong position against anyone. Of course, the game is actually nothing like a lottery, but it's convenient for him to say so.Quote:
Anyway currently the game seems like a lottery as does the start of every mafia game. We'll just have to proceed on and eventually we should start to get a proper feel of the game and the different senators.
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Sadly the game at this phase is very much like a lottery. You choose someone at random and hope that they are rebels.
...
At the moment this game resembles a lottery at best and well to be blunt, it really comes down to luck at the moment to lynch the rebels, so I suppose I am as good as any other suspect.
Now, his vote against me made me curious so I started pm'ing him.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Essentially it comes down to this: Mafia know who is guilty, so any argument they make against someone is contrived. AggonyDuck's arguments are contrived as can be seen by his waffling about trying to find a convincing one. Mafia also try to avoid attention. The biggest way to get attention is to accuse someone, people respond to accusation. He has tried to avoid this the entire game by abstaining or qualifying his votes.
Lynch him.
Craterus is a woman ;)
doc_bean has nothing to really gain personally by revealing at this stage so I believe him.
AggonyDuck does sound like a good lynch this round. Out of the three remaining innocents I believe that he and Xiahou are our mafiosi, unless of course we already nailed one via the executions (highly unlikely).
Talk about a catch 22
Said the Plebian...
Well to be quite honest I actually tend to talk like that quite a lot at times. Words like might, propably, believe, maybe etc. are propably among my most used words, atleast usually, but I suppose that in this context they could appear strange to some people. As long as I lack some degree of conviction I will most likely sound a bit unconvincing. It usually is one of my bigger problems. Anyway it is a possibility that you might be making a mistake by voting for me or you could possibly be saving the senate. Maybe it might just be so that I am innocent. Or perhaps I am just guilty and being vague just allows me to refrain from lying, which I might have avoided quite nicely. Either way I'm somewhat relieved by your accusations, because it might mean that this rather dreadful existance might come to an end. Hopefully you might understand that there is a definate possibility that I might be guilty to some degree and that I propably can't be arsed to fight for the meager possibility of a continuation in this game. By the way I still believe that the starting rounds are very much like a lottery when it comes to voting, because it is down to luck if you manage to lynch a mafioso in the early rounds. But at the same time it does serve the purpose of laying the groundwork for the game, but still the votes cast by the villagers are mere lottery in the end. What might be somewhat more important is how the votes might incriminate you in the end. Anyway as I might have been saying at some earlier point, there is a good risk that I might be somewhat guilty of the murders of certain senators against whom I propably held no sort of possible grudge and that the murders which might and could have been commited by me and my late accomplice might have been just due to some sort of semi-divine intervention and the voice of some higher power that possibly told me to kill senators, which I most likely did not enjoy, although there is no saying that some of the murders might have been somewhat enjoyable, especially the murder of GH, which might have been commited by me after his rather disturbing gut-vote. Well atleast I got some sort of revenge there, but at the same time I might have believed that there was a likely chance that I was doing badly and that I most likely would be executed at some point due to my possible mistakes, provided that I am a rebel of course. Anyway good riddance somewhat cruel world and hopefully this will all be over by the end of this vote. Damn...
Oh and I'd like to vote: Sasaki! I think his "evidence" is ridiculous and hearsay at best. Where are the murder weapons, finger prints and eye witness accounts? Until he presents them I will believe that he is guilty!:inquisitive:
I don't know. Sasaki makes some very good points, and even in his rebuttal, all Aggony says is "well, I talk that way sometimes". Contradicting yourself directly from one PM to the next, and from what you've posted publicly to what you say privately is very suspicious behavior. I still think Xiahou has a hand in all of this with the Latin phrases, but unless Peasant Phil or somebody else that understands Latin can offer more evidence, I have to vote for the guy that can't seem to speak straight...
Vote: AggonyDuck
P.S. Is there any chance that DocBean is lying? I'm just curious who the other mafia could be. Right now, Xiahou is my best bet, but frankly, the evidence against him isn't very good...
haha, forgot I'm still alive. Vote:AggonyDuck
He's confessed now anyway. I'm convinced Kommodus was the other mafioso and the game will be over once we lynch ducky.
I have doubts about AD. He has posted in a very noncommittal way before. But his last post is full of it. It's the best lead we have, but I have a feeling this one will go to the mafia.
Keeping hidden would have been the dumb thing to do, I had hoped to gain at least one more name (guilty OR innocent) before posting, unfortunately Craterus bit the bullet.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
As for the current accusations: why do you people think Don or Xiahou are innocent ? Do we any concrete reason to believe that they are ?
They weren't on my suspect list, but then I haven't gotten lucky yet (errr...you know what I mean).
Nice investigative work Senator Sasaki. :bow:
Vote: AggonyDuck
Doc seems credible as a Praetor and his PMs ring true to me. I was previously suspicious of Sasaki, but consider him cleared now. Combine that with Sasaki's lengthy dissertation on the guilt of AggonyDuck, and my choice is clear.
Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.
Assuming you really are the detective, and that you told us the whole truth, then the only person who could possibly know if I'm innocent at this point is me. The rest of you should be suspicious, but I think Sasaki gave Xiahou a pass several rounds ago. So, between myself and Aggony_Duck, I've gotta take the duck. As for Xiahou, I DO think it's odd that these Latin quotes keep showing up in the killings, and he stuck a Latin quote in his signature. He's going to laugh right out loud at the end of this, because he basically told us he was involved. I think Sasaki's wrong and I don't think the game is going to end after we lynch Aggony_Duck. Maybe AD is guilty, maybe not, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn Xiahou is (either as AD's partner or somebody else's). AD's changing his story over and over looks very suspicious, more so than Xiahou's Latin hijinx, but if the game's not over tomorrow night, I know who I'm voting for next.Quote:
Originally Posted by doc_bean
Finally.
Ducky's resignation is one point that indicates he's the only one left. If there were two he would know he had some vote leverage, and would only have to lynch one person. But he knows even if he could get Xiahou lynched you'd vote for him next round. Of course the main point is how suspicious Kommo acted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
My impression of them was that they were innocent. My two suspects were you and Ducky, leaning pretty heavily towards Ducky. I believe you though, apparently I have a tendency for suspecting detectives...Quote:
Originally Posted by doc_bean
Don, I never said I had any list of reasons nor did I call them irrefutable. You are really going after me, misattributing things to me, for some reason or the other... :sad: :thumbsdown: :brood:Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
All I had was a classic Reenkaficsio speech based on the fact that Sasaki is too suspicious to let live this long. I didn't finish it and now I don't need to.
I'm not sure that doc_bean is Praetor at all. Now, he's not too suspicious as he didn't reveal when pressed, but then again three things bother me:
1) He could just reveal now knowing that he is essentially safe (with us having barely any lynches).
2) He didn't investigate Kommodus.
3) Look at his PM's closely: "despite his behavior - Innocent"
Sir Moody is British. He spells words like "realized" "realised" so why not "behavior" "behaviour"?
I'm on the fence with doc_bean. I don't believe him at all, but then again, I also have a hard time believing he is Rebel Slave.
I don't buy the AggonyDuck argument by Sasaki at all. All it does is put a bit of suspicion on him. Nothing at all convincing (in relation to how suspicious he was), and were it not for the fact that Sasaki's guilt is called into doubt by doc_bean (who I don't completely believe) I would be voting for him this round.
Vote: Reenk Roink (courteously) :shrug:
He couldn't know real detective is dead. Claims also have a history of being questioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
He was obviously guilty. He investigated you and then me instead, understandable.Quote:
2) He didn't investigate Kommodus.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...7&postcount=62Quote:
3) Look at his PM's closely: "despite his behavior - Innocent"
Sir Moody is British. He spells words like "realized" "realised" so why not "behavior" "behaviour"?
:bow:
Why don't you buy it? What do you think of AD's "confession"?Quote:
I don't buy the AggonyDuck argument by Sasaki at all. All it does is put a bit of suspicion on him. Nothing at all convincing (in relation to how suspicious he was), and were it not for the fact that Sasaki's guilt is called into doubt by doc_bean (who I don't completely believe) I would be voting for him this round.
Quote:
there is a good risk that I might be somewhat guilty of the murders of certain senators against whom I propably held no sort of possible grudge and that the murders which might and could have been commited by me and my late accomplice might have been just due to some sort of semi-divine intervention and the voice of some higher power that possibly told me to kill senators, which I most likely did not enjoy, although there is no saying that some of the murders might have been somewhat enjoyable, especially the murder of GH, which might have been commited by me after his rather disturbing gut-vote. Well atleast I got some sort of revenge there, but at the same time I might have believed that there was a likely chance that I was doing badly and that I most likely would be executed at some point due to my possible mistakes, provided that I am a rebel of course.
I claimed detective though in all honesty, I had no idea who he was. I just prepared myself to argue with him, and actually wanted that to happen (as it would draw attention away from Seamus).Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Sorry Sasaki. While I certainly see the plausibility of him being truthful, there is another plausibility that, while though not as strong, cannot be disregarded. I must continue to affirm this point.
Whoa Whoa Whoa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
While it is certainly understandable for him to investigate us, there was nothing obvious about Kommodus after his amended stance. He remains plausible, enough for me to vote against him, but the certainty I had in the beginning was gone after he amended his stance.
Gonna have to call this a problem in doc's reveal too...
Understood. I recant this point. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I think it largely irrelevant, and have a slight inclination to view it as evidence for his innocence. Very weak bandwagon here Sasaki...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
That's not the point. Unless you can show that doc_bean is lying, it doesn't matter if you think the evidence against AD is weak. At least one of the three is guilty and I don't see you offering arguments against the other two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
Tell me this, how did doc_bean know to spell behavior without the 'u' if he fabricated the pm's? The only post where Sir Moody spelled it "behavior" was in the backroom which isn't searchable by members. In the threads that are searchable by members he has it spelled "behaviour". If he had looked it up he would have it wrong. Do they use the american spelling in belgium btw? His story pans out, and it doesn't make sense as a mafia play, and I already suspected ducky. I believe him.
I don't see why you discount AD's confession either.
I normally use British spelling, so it would be 'behaviour' if I had written it and didn't mis-type (a problem that happens all too often :embarrassed:).
I didn't investigate Kommodus , that was a risk and I did think about it. The thing was, I expected him to get lynched or murdered, before a confession would have a serious impact. I couldn't reveal myself last round, of Sasaki, Reenk and me, only one would have remained, making it a *very* bad thing to do. So I expected, Kommodus to die, and went from there.
Okay, you may say, but you started the Kommodus bandwagon. True dat. BUT, the other players were obviously in agreement, he would have probably gotten killed even if I hadn't started it, OR we'd have another meaningless round of debate whether or not we should lynch him, and go for the random lynch instead (I warned y'all about the problem). Besides, he was acting very suspiciously and was the most probable pick for being mafia from those I hadn't investigated yet.
Also Reenk, you have trust issues. :cry:
Vote: AgonnyDuck, because his confession would have been very odd if he wasn't a rebel, and because the other two don't seem very suspicious.
voting closed
"Senator Morsus Anas you have been found guilty of the crime of Murder and treason please step forward.". Senator Morsus Anas, known playfully as AggonyDuck, was resigned to his fate. He stepped forward and held out his arms to a guard who placed the irons on. Within Seconds csar realised something was wrong as Morsus began to shiver then shake and then white froth formed on his mouth. He collapsed and was dead in seconds. Csar opened the cuffs and found a needle embedded inside. "This is proof friends it still isnt over..."
Votes
AggonyDuck = 4 ( Don Corleone, Sasaki Kojiro, doc_bean, Xiahou )
Reenk Roink = 1 ( Reenk Roink )
Alive
Sasaki Kojiro
Don Corleone
Csar
doc_bean
Reenk Roink
Xiahou
Dead
Crazed Rabbit
Masy
Kagemusha
Dutch_guy
Peasant Phill
GeneralHankerchief
JimBob
Craterus
Executed
Ituralde
Caius Flaminius
Kommodus
AggonyDuck
Suicide
Proletariat
Wrath of God
Destroyer of Hope
PM's please
Sasaki, you may be able to pull off this kind of stratagem on others, but I know you too well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Do not try to link AggonyDuck and doc_bean together. They are two different cases. :stare:
My offering arguments also is irrelevant. I freely admit that I don't know who to vote for, however, I also see how terribly weak your case against AggonyDuck was... :rolleyes:
So he has both spelled it "behaviour" and "behavior"...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Now I can be inclined to think that doc_bean just got lucky... A bad argument again Sasaki. :rolleyes:
The thing that is going for doc_bean is that he revealed when there was no pressure on him. That is why my position on him is that it is plausible (around 60%) that he is Praetor, but there is a significant chance that he is not also (reasons were given above).
It seems like someone just mocking your investigations to be honest. You haven't actually given us any analysis on why to suspect him, just pasted his quotes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
You have to convince me Sasaki, it doesn't go the other way around...
Hey doc, thanks for the answer. This is an understandable reason for not going after Kommodus, and it satisfies my suspicion on the issue (though I'm still somewhat perturbed).Quote:
Originally Posted by doc_bean
Don't take it personally man. :smiley:Quote:
Originally Posted by doc_bean
I have said that there is a good reason to believe you, and in all honestly, I would have cast my doubts aside if it weren't for the fact that Sasaki started the weak bandwagon immediately after your reveal.
That gave me the impression that your reveal could be a stratagem by the Rebel Slaves to buy you time. After all, we only have 1-2 lynches left, so there's a very good chance that even if you get caught, you can oull it off, because it's too late (what I was going for in Mafia V: cause confusion, waste a round or two, and let Seamus finish it off).
Still, you can tell that I don't suspect you enough to vote for you. Take that into consideration. It sorta sucks, but the reason I'm a bit suspicious of you isn't really because of anything you did, it's because of Sasaki... :tongue3:
I would have never gone after Kommodus the way I did if my goal was confusion, he was the most confusing 'aspect' this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
Oh well, I expect I will see my untimely demise this night, thus proving me innocent. Leaving me alive would show that the rebels have guts of course (trying to pin it on me) but they don't appear to particulary brave. It would be a nice Mexican stand-off though.
Don't worry, I don't :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
"Friends, Good Romans we know there is rebels yet alive but there have been no deaths - they have missed their chance now we have the upper hand this is it all this is the end we must pick right but we have all the cards now..."
Alive
Sasaki Kojiro
Don Corleone
Csar
doc_bean
Reenk Roink
Xiahou
Dead
Crazed Rabbit
Masy
Kagemusha
Dutch_guy
Peasant Phill
GeneralHankerchief
JimBob
Craterus
Executed
Ituralde
Caius Flaminius
Kommodus
AggonyDuck
Suicide
Proletariat
Wrath of God
Destroyer of Hope
voting open on the final round
What are the odds that there are 2 rebels alive and both of them being to late to send in their kills. My fellow senators, I believe this blunder will grant the senate the victory.
That's odd. Well, we've won now. doc_bean can tell us who is guilty, and even if Reenk doesn't believe him we have another round after this one. Edit, scratch that. Since Csar can't vote, we have to lynch mafia this round or lose, unless we lynch csar. But lynching csar won't resolve anything.
This I think explains why the mafia didn't kill anyone. Killing me and reenk (only possible choices) doesn't change things. Having us alive could be advantageous. Don has already said he thinks it's Xiahou, so X would understandably not be keen on an endgame with Don and the detective as the only 2 voters. He would also want Reenk alive since Reenk is questioning doc and myself. I'm going to go ahead and Vote:Xiahou for this and other reasons although I'm prepared to eat this vote depending on what doc_bean says.
Anyway Reenk, you have to know if I was mafioso I would never have let the game go without killing anyone this round.
Sasaki, when was Xiahou last on?
(guess Kommodus was innocent after all :grin:)
Hey Sasaki, I know you too well to expect the unexpected...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Remember the "cool" response to my PM in Csar's game? Unexpected. Gave you away...
EDIT: (gah this was supposed to be in the post above)
Does this mean the dead can vote?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Moody
If so,
Vote: Xiahou
I don't think it does.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Maybe ~:handball: (yes I think he was)Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Guess I was innocent too huh :tongue3:
But if I'm guilty, doc_bean is guilty, so we could have won by killing 1 or 2 people this round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
sorry general if the dead are just that - they cant vote
Interesting stuff. If doc is still to be believed (what choice do we have at this point), the only remaining potential rebels would be myself and Don. Of course, I know some info the rest you dont- that being I'm innocent. So my vote is clear:
Vote: DonC
The problem, of course, is that my vote alone isn't good enough since all other votes thus far have lined up against me. Don's been gunning for me for several posts now- saying I was the most likely rebel even while voting inexplicably for AggonyDuck. If he really thought I was a rebel, why wouldn't he vote his convictions? Probably because he didn't want to be the odd man out on such a clear lynch choice and draw attention to himself.
Of course, there's also the possibility that Doc is a rebel and named 2 innocents as investigation targets so as to give himself credibility. If that's the case, we'll lose either way- but I still tend to believe the authenticity of his PMs- leaving Don as the only choice.
Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.
Until doc_bean confirms who it is it's best to leave it a tie.
well since we have a draw i wont close the voting and i will open it to the dead as well - voting closes tommorow at 12 and the dead CAN vote
What I said, Xiahou, was that I find the Latin phrase a bit too coincidental with all the Latin phrases that keep showing up at the murder site. But that was nowhere near as suspicious as Aggony_Duck contradicting himself, several times if Sasaki is to be believed. I'm pretty sure Aggony_Duck was a rebel. I think he was your partner. You all jumped on the Kommodus bandwagon, something you were probably secretly cheering about. I said if the game wasn't over, I was going to vote for you.
Vote: Xiahou
Vote:DonC
If the rebels were late in the kills, that mean they are talking not much here.
OMG!I was going to vote a Dead Senator :grin2:
:laugh4:
So "convenient" for doc_bean to disappear right now...* :rolleyes:
*If there is a legitimate reason I apologize.
All are suspects, except they give a good reason...
New years? If he was bold enough to claim like that he wouldn't shy away from popping in and saying "so and so" is guilty. I have to admit though, the fact that no one was killed does point towards doc_bean. He couldn't kill himself after all, and the only explanation he could have for why he wasn't killed was that the mafia forgot to mail in their kills. I'm going to go ahead and unvote, Vote:doc_bean While I think about it. I urge people to tie it between the three.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
All right. I got enough info to make a theory:
We're going to lose. 20 people initially plus the Wrath of God's hurt us from the start. Lack of communication also hurt us (Christmas time).
No problem, Interficio II will see more people and more communication. Loved the theme of this game. :2thumbsup:
Possible Mafia's (starting from most plausible to least plausible):
- doc_bean and Sasaki Kojiro
- doc_bean and someone else (Sasaki was just played)
- Kommodus and someone else
- two other people who evaded us like crazy
Maybe he isn't around a computer and can't get on happens all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I don't see how it points to him.
Oh come on Sasaki, if the mafia don't kill the detective they're just trying to get the townspeople to lynch him. We've seen it before why isn't it plausible now? Your not looking so innocent anymore.:inquisitive:
Well look, if Xiahou was a mafioso he had to know doc_beans investigation would reveal him. On the other hand he was the most suspect already, and so he might have gone for the doc_bean lynch. This is more likely I think, but I'd like to here from doc_bean, so I think it should be tied up between Xiahou, don C, and doc_bean. This game is suffering from a severe lack of posting, plus we only have 5 rounds. Remember we lynched 5 straight innocents in Mafia V.Quote:
Originally Posted by Csar
Look, doc_bean and I can't both be mafia alright? That gives reason for his claim certainly, but I would for sure have sent in the kill pm's and won the game for us after AD was lynched. Either Kommodus and doc_bean were the mafia, or AD and Xiahou were. I think we should tie it up and wait to here from all of these people. I don't like lynching people in endgame with uncertainty.Quote:
- doc_bean and Sasaki Kojiro
- doc_bean and someone else (Sasaki was just played)
- Kommodus and someone else
- two other people who evaded us like crazy
Vote Count:
Xiahou 2
Don C 2
doc_bean 1
Someone tie it up.
No Sasaki, this is only what one would expect from you. You have on many an occasion, done the unexpected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
No, I will not. Why are you shedding your support for the guy you were convinced of just a day before? You didn't do that with Kage even though after a couple rounds of not getting killed, he sure looked suspicious too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro
It's not that it's unexpected, it's that it is foolish. Why would I pass up a chance at winning? Your more the one to go for a coup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
I'm not shedding my support. It just struck me that the fact that no one was killed is quite interesting, and if doc_bean were mafia he would be forced to kill no one. I still think it's more likely Xiahou figured that out, my vote would be one him (it would be a lynch vote btw) if I didn't want to tie it up to here what doc_bean has to say, not only about his absence but about what his investigation result was. If I'm mafia then doc_bean has to be mafia, are you suggesting that, in addition to abandoning a wagon on an innocent I am now voting for my mafia partner?Quote:
No, I will not. Why are you shedding your support for the guy you were convinced of just a day before? You didn't do that with Kage even though after a couple rounds of not getting killed, he sure looked suspicious too.
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro
Unvote:DonC
vote:Sasaki
:inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Why not?All have a chance to be mafiaQuote:
Look, doc_bean and I can't both be mafia alright?
I don't understand why the rebel slate is either Kommodus and Doc or AD and I... What about AD/DonC, AD/Doc or even Kommodus/DonC? I find the last possibility to be quite tantalizing actually- what with Kommodus & Don going after each other over whether or not to lynch veterans or noobs, ect. However, I don't really believe it since AD virtually confessed before his demise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
The only real possibilities are Doc or Don. If it is Doc, he made a truly brilliant stroke by actually declaring 2 innocents to actually be innocent in his reveal, since it gained him immediate believers/allies in the two that he "investigated". OTOH, we may have DonC as a rebel with a more orthodox MO and Doc as a legitimate praetor. I could be wrong, but I don't see Doc as being that big a risk taker as a rebel (hats off if you are), so I'm sticking with DonC as my choice. Regardless, a vote for me is a vote for a rebel win.. not that anyone will believe me- but I told ya so nonetheless. :yes:
EDIT:They can't both be rebels, or else the game would've been over by now. The only logical choices are myself, DonC, and Doc.Quote:
Why not?All have a chance to be mafia
Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.
Don is the poison needle killer
vote: Don
Still got family matters to attend to, haven't read the posts of the last (2 ?) days, but Sir Moody sent me a wonderful PM.
Voting closed
Well once again we have another draw between Don C and Sasaki since this is the last round i will open voting again - you can only vote for Don or Sasaki and the dead can vote - lets get this over :help:
Vote:Sasaki
Ahhh you silly people. Vote:DonC
Well played Don, you seemed quite innocent.
So you don't believe doc_bean? You realize if I'm mafia he's mafia and the game would have been over last round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caius Flaminius
More posibitiles than those.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
Vote: Don Corleone
Either it's him or we have been played so bad that there's no point in trying to get out of it now.
Evidence please?
Vote: Sasaki
Doc, I believe you but I want to see Sir Moody's PM.
I don't know what you're talking about. I've missed quite a bit with New Year's and being on the road with family and all, but I hope to catch up tonight. If you guys need a convenient lynch, by all means, lynch me. But let me ask you this.... if Doc Bean was the detective, he's had 2 days to investegate Xiahou and I... why hasn't he?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
But alas, it looks like voting is over already anyway. I hope I don't get WOG'd.
You do realise you're dead, don't you ? ~:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Caius Flaminius
Watching this with interest guys, quite the end game.
:balloon2:
If you had named anyone else guilty I would have have jumped on your guiltyness, but I was targeting Don the entire time. You confuse me more man...Quote:
Originally Posted by doc_bean
Don C is my prime suspect (I still don't rule out the possibility of Sasaki, doc_bean, or others, but Don is number one).
Why you may ask?
He has played a brilliant game if I am right, that's all I have to say. Very smart guy...
I have my reasons that I will reveal in time, but just be sure, I know information that is not available to some others.
I do want to see the PM though doc_bean... :stare:
For now:
Vote: Don Corleone
Sorry Don, the PM's were a really good attempt to play me...