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Over. Pennsylvania is Republican.
I haven't seen it pointed out very much, but from my personal experience and a bit of looking into, I found that immigrants (non-Western European immigrants) are very strongly, if not overwhelmingly, in support of Trump. I saw this both in New York and on the West Coast. We know Clinton has had a dip in Hispanic support relative to Obama, but it might be interesting to dig more. I suspect non-Mexican Latinos, whether authorized immigrant or not, will be surprisingly close to even on support.
The thing is, Trump appeals to a wide range of non-metropolitan mindsets, regardless of origin. Where some may oppose him, it will be according to the following logic:
'I more or less agree with Trump on everything he has said or I have imagined, I like what he broadly stands for, I like his attitude, but he insulted my demographic, so :daisy: Trump!'
A firsthand example, though not in so many words, I got while in a Las Vegas taxicab this summer. The driver was an Afghan Marine Corps interpreter.
Exit polls are showing hispanics voted for Trump in higher numbers than bush or Mittens.
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Originally Posted by Strike For The South
Both houses, serious majority of both state governors and legislatures. It's amazing how outmaneuvered the Democrats have been, given the overall popular vote. Is it possible Trump is a political genius? Given the upheaval within his own party, what he has done is pretty amazing. Hopefully this will be more entertaining than apocalyptic...
As of this post, DailyKos has a 92% Clinton victory.
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I think the marijuana votes mostly went "pro", that might explain it. Otherwise, biggest river in Egypt...Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
OK, to be fair, they probably just didn't update once the voting began. Which leaves the question of why the heck anyone would watch their site as opposed to 538, CNN, NYT, or any other with live updates.
Well Trump won Pennsylvania so it looks like I owe you a thread Strike.
John Podesta went to the HQ and said they're not conceding yet.
We will have to wait until tomorrow to see her befuddlement. ~:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by edyzmedieval
It amazes me how incompetent the Democratic leadership has been since 2000. They could have easily thwarted the GOP in several of their missteps over the years, but have shown themselves to be nothing but spineless hacks.
CNN just gave Wisconsin to Trump. It's all over but the crying.
Edit-> Apparently Hillary conceded over the phone to Trump. Ding dong, and god help us all.
RIP America.
This is the moment I wish NASA reveals a secret Earth evacuation plan and I accept their invitation.
Bing bing bong bong, just good that this doesn't affect me at all.
I hope he withdraws from NATO, that way we can also disband the EU and......
ALL HAIL COMRADE PUTIN!
Did you hear that Steven Seagal was given Russian citizenship by Putin?
I think it's fitting the election that looked more like a reality tv show to be won be a reality tv star. Another glass ceiling shattered. Now get ready for the first female president, Kim Kardashian in 2024.
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Originally Posted by Husar
Also, a respectable reaction from the Fark comments:
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We elected a black president twice. I truly believe that Trump supporters have concerns larger than only race. Dismissing them as solely racists is the kind of thinking that leads to losing an election you thought was in the bag eight hours ago. Sound familiar?
I think Trump voters feel like their jobs and opportunities are dwindling. They feel like immigrants, black people, and LGBT people are making all the progress and they are being left behind. We may disagree and argue over whether those concerns are justified, but you cannot challenge the fact that they have real concerns and that they act upon those concerns at the ballot box.
The Trump candidacy was as much a middle finger to the Republican party establishment as anything else. They sent a message. If Democrats stick our fingers in our ears and say "you're just a bunch of deplorable racists" we're missing the message again. They feel they are being marginalized and left behind. Dismissing them as only hateful racists marginalizes them and therefore proves them right. We can't act like they don't have concerns.
I'm not a Trump supporter. I voted for Hillary. But we Democrats aren't going to win in 2018 or 2020 or beyond by dismissing the concerns of Trump voters. We need to address them, and address them honestly.
I told you Donald was going to win. People are too shy to admit they like Nazism in a phone conversation and it is really awkward that the poll companies have not yet grasped that simple fact. Now only if Admiral Kuznetsov purges today the Islamofascists of W. Aleppo in an orgy of red fire, then Charles Lister may finally decide to stop being a waste of oxygen.
Yall have been finessed by a con artist, plain and simple.
Very smart people!
Too accurate Too trueQuote:
Originally Posted by Showtime
I think it's rather that they weren't responding to the polls in the first place. The fascists were already very vocal in their support. The Trump surge owes a good deal to a disengaged and disheartened 'shadow electorate', not to shy Nazis.Quote:
People are too shy to admit they like Nazism in a phone conversation
Considering the limited length and breadth of his knowledge, I always assumed that even if Trump did win he'll be more of a figurehead rather than anything else while more sensible heads below him do all the actual work.
Let's hope it's so.
I'd like it if one of the takeaways of this election is that money != win. Clinton massively out-raised and out-spent Trump.... and lost. Perhaps it's more important to have a message that appeals to voters rather than spending buckets of cash on over-produced campaign ads?
Having not been a Trump supporter, I'm going to try to remain cautiously optimistic and give Trump the benefit of the doubt until he shows otherwise. I did the same thing for Obama after the 2008 hopey/changey election. I hoped he would be the post-partisan president that he claimed he would be.... and he wasn't. Let's see what Trump does. :shrug:
Edit: I just watched Trump's victory speech and... it wasn't terrible. Probably the most humble I've heard him.
lol. You people still don't get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Showtime
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Watched some of that, I like how he said people should be thankful to Clinton for her service in the government when yesterday it was still about crooked Hillary having ruined the country with that same service. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
One could also say he wanted division to win and now that he won he wants unity. Whether that includes all the minorities he wants to trample on remains to be seen I guess. As we say here, the guy says a lot when the day is long... :sweatdrop:
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No worse than the crap that Corbyn has said over the years. At least Trump has (AFAIK) never taken the side of enemy whom our troops were fighting, unlike Corbyn and his mates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Anyone surprised by this result must have willfully ignored Clinton's unelectability - for at least three different reasons - and the fact that Donald Trump actually had the better message "Make America Great Again".
Actually very like Obama's "Yes we Can!"
It's just like Brexit, people assumed that the "Establishment" side had to win, because it was the Establishment, it was Progressive and it was "On the Right Side of History"
I think it's time we re-evaluate which side History is on, because the last two years have seen a lot of upsets.
You did the same thing in the Brexit thread. Your opinions are effete, salon room abstractions that only serve to stroke the egos of those in your circle. You offer nothing, other than a pithy meme and your own smug sense of superiority.
This is a little dramatized but the main points are there https://youtu.be/YY-CiPVo_NQ
The working class was willing to look past the henious things he said and did because they have been lied to for so long. Pride cometh before the fall.
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Originally Posted by Gilrandir
Last time "the working man" started giving the finger to the establishment and started voting and following en masse for the populists, humanity got wonderful establishments like communist and fascist regimes.
What i am afraid of is that Trump wants to make state level deals and appeal to his voting base, he will indeed pull US out of Europe. In a way that is rather self deserving for Europe, for relying to US for so long.
The thing is that once US will be out Euros are going to understand that Russia has become a real threat more so with Brexit. I think at that point the "elite" politicians will have to make room for the more patriotic and populist candidates as well in countries like France and Germany in order to proper issue the threats that are looming. At that point maybe we will all be ready yet again at another round of World War. I sincerely hope not, but remains to be seen.