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Originally Posted by Maple

*towns about*

idk yall the shit people are saying about my slot actually boggles my mind, idt anyone is really engaging with what ive said in a productive way but at the same time i havent engaged with the game nearly enough to have a body of work that i can point at and be happy

but meowza lol

idk yall im making vibes reads cause tahts all i got the energy to put into thegame rn, i saw yall say zelda is like DOUBLE LOCK CLEAR off meta so poggywoggy thats awesome, i think my idivions of the list stands strong. im OMGUSING ladd today for hist readtmeant of my slot, im saying bennehs push on me being an arso is WILD and atp im not sure if hes serious about it or not

tn i give out another soft invest so if i get it off poggies

meow meow i hav never been so eepy in my life man fuck ww i deserve a long nap

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give it to me :curtain:

buddy you gotta give me something to work with man

how am i supposed to v read u lol

inb4 this is the benneh/lissa redemption wolfrand from that turbo from like a decade ago

im too lazy to get the reciepts but i think its plausible that benneh geuninly didnt understand rasks role based on some of the shit he said

and some of hte setup spec he postesd

is that something he'd fake as w? like honestly its pretty crazy and longterm if he set that up as a derp d2 and executed upon it d3 after teh spec he posted yday esp wrt the arctic slot

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Originally Posted by Visor

inb4 this is the benneh/lissa redemption wolfrand from that turbo from like a decade ago

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youll know its real if she finally claims seer in f5

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Originally Posted by Visor

give it to me :curtain:

buddy you gotta give me something to work with man

how am i supposed to v read u lol

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idk man im trying

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Originally Posted by Maple

twice

wdym

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Do u think they’re a wolf or 3p

@Maple

that was a very villagery observation on ender by visor

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Originally Posted by Maple

im too lazy to get the reciepts but i think its plausible that benneh geuninly didnt understand rasks role based on some of the shit he said

and some of hte setup spec he postesd

is that something he'd fake as w? like honestly its pretty crazy and longterm if he set that up as a derp d2 and executed upon it d3 after teh spec he posted yday esp wrt the arctic slot

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benneh is a crafty guy

i can see him wanting to do stuff like that to style on ppl

especially if he has a wolfbro that makes a team that feeds off each other to go further and further

but truthfully we already had our wolf rand redemption in indie mash. at this point its vindiction rather than redemption

god the gotcha on arctic into the shit earlier about taff but also repping a fake derp on rask just seems like some *me* level bullshit and idt benneh has that crackhead dog in him

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Originally Posted by waza

Do u think they’re a wolf or 3p

@Maple

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i think based on rask's role tehy arent a wolf and i think based on their posting theyre not v

theyrefor tehyre 3p arso

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

Here's where I'm at:

I believe didistetter is a villager almost always because I follow the background train of thought that's happening between posts. The section of the game people were saying was erractic/awkward/stilted/whatever from didistetter were posts that were scattered but I could see how they came about. The point on my reread that I locked it in was the annika/maple being a difference check post. I could see how someone trying to piece things together would see the posts surrounding that and think “if a -> then b -> and if b then c -> oh its a difference check” even if those points don't really make a ton of sense or have to be accurate. I'm explaining this one a bit more because I've been asked about it. This is the type of read that I am almost always correct on but people never understand and that's because I'm bad at articulating it.

I believe Ladd is a villager based off of posting. The interaction with Waza, the pushing of Taffy, the comments about Ben (Neb). In the instance I'm wrong about Ladd then he's a wolf with both Waza and Ben BUT I don't think the way the day has shook out he is therefore I think he is always a villager.

I think Pzelda is always a villager based on posting and solving. Just pure. Not much else to it.

I think Lissa is a villager based on her relief, her return stint of posting, and the way everyone just wrote her off as a villager quickly. She is not posting like someone who had gotten a third consecutive wolf rand and her enjoyment is palpable. Additionally, I tend to think when people start calling someone threadspewed on day 1 they are almost always just town. So all of those things combined make me lock in V.


Those are my “there should be 0 wolves” tier.


The next tier are the “There should be one wolf in here but only one” tier. It consists of Neb (ben), Waza, and Dyachei. All three of them are pushing me for poo poo reasons (which is fine, I've pushed people for poo poo reasons before!) and sifting through which are having brain farts and which are opportunistic can be hard but I landed on dya being the opportunistic one. This is due to multiple factors:

1. I do not think the entire wolf teams plan would be to band together and do this. I considered it, but it just doesn't seem worth it very much? Additionally, the way they are building up each other (telling everyone to raise them in reads lists, clearing each other, etc) to pile on here when in that world they have at least 5 possible villa chops on the table for them seems nonsensical.

2. Outside of their stuff on me people seem to be town reading them. Ladd called Ben a 100% villager. Ladd said Waza will have 0 votes. Ladd has called Dya a villager. Pzelda has called Dya a villager. Lissa has called Ben a villager. Essentially, in order ofr them to be wolves together they'd have to be fooling everyone and I think that's less likely than it being mostly villagers who are wrong on me but in a way that makes the rest of the game find them villagery.

3. Individually and ignoring me I find that Ben is the towniest. I thought he was posing good questions, striking a good balance between attacking and defending people, adjusting reads, etc. He's also been called a strong villa read by others. Signs point to villa.

4. Waza seems to believe the case vs me. I personally thought the line of “high crime of not knowing the MU game schedule” was funny btw but nobody else did :(. I don't really agree with anything in the case at all at any level but that doesn't mean he doesn't believe it. And Im biased!

5. I find dyas “i wouldnt vote you as a wolf” nonsensical. I feel like that's the best time to vote me and a pile on target is pretty ideal in fact! Additionally, I feel like I am able to find dya pretty well in a lot of games we are v/v and it's just not happening here. Not just about me but in the ways they are approaching other slots as well. I briefly talked about it already (its not defensive pzelda its just thoughts!) but the way Dya interacted about Taffy didn't sit right to me. And the way Dya boosted Ben felt W/v to annika (as in wolf dya wanting v annika to focus on people that have a chance to die instead of v Ben because they are V targets). I also don't find “you OMGUS me” really in line with vDya because I think vDya would be like “oh hey, we're both here let's see if we can find each other”.

Now, I recognize that people have Dya V but I just feel they are wrong here and I'm going to trust myself! So that's why I think that group is where it's at.


Then you have the next tier which is “These are people that could be wolves but aren't with other people that could also be wolves”

Annika could be a wolf but is not a wolf if Dya or Maple or Waza or Ben are. Which given I think there's exactly one in Dya/Waza/Ben makes me lean Annika v.

Visor could be a wolf but I don't think is one if Arctic or Ender or Taffy are. The way Arctic shaded me for having Visor as a concern but not being worried about the thread not having Visor as a wolf isn't w/w imo as the biggest one.

Maple could be a wolf but isn't one with Annika


So that group of people I just want to give some space to and see how the next little bit shakes out because it'll be easier to sort later.

That leaves Arctic, Rask, Taffy, and Ender as my pool of candidates remaining. And add in Dya from earlier and that's where I'm at.

Now, Arctic asked me where I'd be if I was told Arctic/Dya were v/v. I would shift to Taffy and Ender today and then expect Maple to be another.

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though tbh if its like ender/dya i am letting sunbronana down so i uh better think on this before i try to punt lissa into the sun lol

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Originally Posted by Maple

i think based on rask's role tehy arent a wolf and i think based on their posting theyre not v

theyrefor tehyre 3p arso

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Hmmm okay

I was a bit concerned that you sus taffy but are also voting the person whose never a wolf with taffy

But ig if u think ladd is a wolf and taffy is 3p then that checks out

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Originally Posted by Maple

god the gotcha on arctic into the shit earlier about taff but also repping a fake derp on rask just seems like some *me* level bullshit and idt benneh has that crackhead dog in him

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i mean he was doing this shit back in SSB mash days

the stop eating dinner thing is pure you level 'grey matter' stuff imo

like all the signs were there

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Originally Posted by Maple

god the gotcha on arctic into the shit earlier about taff but also repping a fake derp on rask just seems like some *me* level bullshit and idt benneh has that crackhead dog in him

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if we turn this around it would go thusly

benneh busses rask d1 and n1 cooks up the ploy to setup for this shit d2+.

cashes in on cred to get PR!arctic killed yday, and attempts to regrab cred via the derp claim on d3

point in favour of this: he pinged us all with his incorrect perspective, counter: he never *really* pushed that pov in the thread and no one brought it up before me so like was he slowcooking it if w?

shrug

seems >randv

i know benneh is a crafty guy but fwict he favours good ol fashion strong wolf strats

his partner would have to have been both someone who didnt vote rask + most likely osmoneone in danger d1? lol i guess his partner could be me in that scenario

meow meow

idk seems v to me

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Originally Posted by Visor

i mean he was doing this shit back in SSB mash days

the stop eating dinner thing is pure you level 'grey matter' stuff imo

like all the signs were there

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fyi i voted a wolf so im lock clear

i feel like people may have forgotten

no worries, focus on the things that matter :)

for legal purposes i will waste a poste to clarify that's a joke (even though its real)

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Originally Posted by Visor

i mean he was doing this shit back in SSB mash days

the stop eating dinner thing is pure you level 'grey matter' stuff imo

like all the signs were there

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meowby im just gonna put it here for now

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Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy

I don't need details per se but can you make clear to me whether you mean "it's more likely that Maple and Ender are paired now" or "Maple and Ender are more likely to be wolves" or entirely the opposite.

It's probably just a language barrier but I don't know what you mean from your sentence.

Taffy (5)

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It just means that I think Annika is less likely to die if ladd or dya are wolves because I don’t see what benefit they gain from killing her, well particularly ladd because Annika was defending there and Ladd seemed really happy with the way Annika was reading him. Ladd probs would NK visor or Ben if he’s a wolf, whichever of those is town. (Unless his teammate felt really strongly on Annika). And for dya yeah I buy that them tinfoiling Annika only to NK her seems kinda pointless as wolf, sometimes wolves do stuff like this anyways but yeah at face value it’s Rand v

So yeah by token I mean that slots like ender and maple are more likely to be a wolf as a result if others around them are more likely to be town

heres what i think

i think both benneh and lissa were wolves around eod1 and did not want rask to go over, but knew that if he got momentum, they would need to capitalise on it

benneh is a smart wolf and he knows that giving rask an extra day and potential for more credit to villagers doesnt mean a lot when you can take that credit from villagers

i think they both talked it over and decided that if he became a wagon in the dying minutes they'd bus him, but otherwise sit around and see if they can't wait it out

lissa was throwing the seeds of the bus out there without actually committing

it is only when annika, stett and me vote rask that suddenly he becomes the lead wagon and then they decide alright lets pull the trigger

bit uncharitable of me i know but i am feeling uncharitable at the moment

hopefully theres some good stuff overnight/lissa shows back up

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Originally Posted by Visor

heres what i think

i think both benneh and lissa were wolves around eod1 and did not want rask to go over, but knew that if he got momentum, they would need to capitalise on it

benneh is a smart wolf and he knows that giving rask an extra day and potential for more credit to villagers doesnt mean a lot when you can take that credit from villagers

i think they both talked it over and decided that if he became a wagon in the dying minutes they'd bus him, but otherwise sit around and see if they can't wait it out

lissa was throwing the seeds of the bus out there without actually committing

it is only when annika, stett and me vote rask that suddenly he becomes the lead wagon and then they decide alright lets pull the trigger

bit uncharitable of me i know but i am feeling uncharitable at the moment

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i'd just go afk and wait til hally or newcomb subbed in. hell, i'd be afk that entire eod cause neither of us had any worries

like it really is that simple lol

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Originally Posted by Visor

heres what i think

i think both benneh and lissa were wolves around eod1 and did not want rask to go over, but knew that if he got momentum, they would need to capitalise on it

benneh is a smart wolf and he knows that giving rask an extra day and potential for more credit to villagers doesnt mean a lot when you can take that credit from villagers

i think they both talked it over and decided that if he became a wagon in the dying minutes they'd bus him, but otherwise sit around and see if they can't wait it out

lissa was throwing the seeds of the bus out there without actually committing

it is only when annika, stett and me vote rask that suddenly he becomes the lead wagon and then they decide alright lets pull the trigger

bit uncharitable of me i know but i am feeling uncharitable at the moment

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Funnily enough this is what i was tinfoiling about you yesterday lol

Also yeah fair point on my ramping up, usually it’s the opposite for me these days haha but i can see why you would think that. Also 50 postcap really gets in the way of any ramping even if i wanted to

i feel like today is pushing me towards maple/lissa with taffy as 3p

i think ladd's posting today has been a lot better. @nebjaimin thoughts there? I think he's hitting ladd v posts now where he wasnt earlier

I think if im wrong on waza/stett/ben, it's ben, but i don't think I'm wrong there. Stett being a wolf would mean she's having the wolf game of a lifetime

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Originally Posted by dyachei

i feel like today is pushing me towards maple/lissa with taffy as 3p

i think ladd's posting today has been a lot better. @nebjaimin thoughts there? I think he's hitting ladd v posts now where he wasnt earlier

I think if im wrong on waza/stett/ben, it's ben, but i don't think I'm wrong there. Stett being a wolf would mean she's having the wolf game of a lifetime

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truth be told i think him finally expressing a doubt about any of his reads is a decent look

i still think extremely strongly that benneh is town, he just feels like a super obvious villager

think i just think dya is town. just feels correct yolo

stett is clearly town

i still think visor is a villager but i should probably shore that one up a bit


pzelda... i was REALLY weirded out by some stuff yesterday but a few different people are saying he is way out of wolf meta?

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Originally Posted by didistetter

clearly i was trying to project cop and then hard gave up after two pr claimed, a maf flipped, and i realized cop softing was fucking useless and didn't match setup lol

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probably a bit heavyhanded but I can appreciate the idea anyway

but yeah

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Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy

Nobody @Visor confirm?

I can not stay but Happy gets nervous when I don't check in before breakfast
ftr I am not 3p I am town

Taffy (1)

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why on earth would you holster

why on earth would visor track you

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Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy

I feel bad about Arctic and I regret not holstering N1

Maple's first post was about her and Visor going on a date I thought they'd had a chat

Taffy (2)

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... What. I really, really don't understand how you still think this.

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

good lord i have misinterpreted the latter half of this role almost all game, i read it as "if you target a villager with strapped bomb you kill them" not that you janitor their role

uhhhhhhhhhh

fuck me lol

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

what the fuck is the point of a hyper specific town role janitor if the roles are:

2x town redirect
1x tracker inventor which can be easily confirmed??????
1x town arsonist/bomb strapper

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uh, i guess this may lend credence to the idea that someone couldn't be a tracker and was FPSing if they got a track off in thread and then died over night as just Town

but the realities of this happening seem way to specific for general game design lol

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huh.

I understood how it worked originally but honestly didn't think that deep about it, you're right it's kinda jank.

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

@didistetter @ladd @Lissa @Maple @dyachei @Visor

did you all correctly read the latter half of this, actually?
are we sure taffy has to be a village with this implementation?

if the tracks are real (well, we know tracks are real) -- why couldn't taffy be a mafia arsonist who sometimes can choose to target mafia for purposes of tracking since a wolf teammate would have ways to remove those douses on a future night?

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I did. I've never been sure taffy has to be village though. I actually think and have for a while thought she is probably a neutral.

I guess you're right there could be some like weird level-enabling stuff like that but it feels like it'd be fairly wild to like, be a wolf arsonist who is like. able to like target wolves and then cleanse the douse, that feels on the level of like super godfather type situation lol? idk maybe I'm overstating how insane it'd be?

I've been very weirded out by a lot of taffy's posting - my neut read is a mix of mechanical and behavioral - so if we think the role doesn't preclude wolf that could make sense I guess. That setup wise feels crazy though.

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Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy

+1

If I had bombed last night, it'd probably have been Stett.
Bc EoD1 she immediately bought and defended Arctic as PR (and I'm not dismissing the chance that Sunbae died defending him), combined with the plan(s) to keep him alive - it looks like she just couldn't see him as a wolf when everyone else could. And then yesterday's repeated begging at EoD not to bomb Annika only for her to end up dead - that's very much a move I've seen wolves do.

So no you're not alone.
But if anything I'm not a hero shooter.

Taffy (7)

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nevermind i'm glad you holstered jesus f'ing christ

yall are lucky im chill now otherwise i'd break out the selfvote and ate

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Originally Posted by pzelda

btw people, tell me if I'm misgendering you or if I'm using wrong pronouns. I forgot to ask early on. I know Benneh, Visor, Ender, ladd, sunbae, Rask should prefer he. I remember Manti using he as well, but Lissa is using she for them. Lissa used to be she. Is it still the case? Dya they/she. The rest I have no idea.

I mostly use he/him btw.

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i genuinely do not care you can use whatever

(dya does not want she btw)