Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia

[Maple]

shrug im sorta posting like dogshit here and i recognize that

idk i need to sleep for 13 hours then maybe i'll be good to go

[nebjiamn]

stett, just ftr, i think you'd have a lot easier time finding me if you just worked with me rather than holding a blanket concern about tinfoil worlds and talking around me like you have basically since slightly after SOD1. you're trying to solve me based off of how the game has flown but you have a good grasp on how i play the game philosophically and via interacting with me so i wish you'd do that

noting this could probably apply to several players that i am reading, so its not a shot at you and the appeal itself is obvious nai, i don't expect you to read this and be like "wow ok concerns dropped!" but i feel like you know how i town and how i wolf and you are just worried cause i'm a good wolf sometimes. but its pretty frustrating you have been playing around me all game cause you're worried i'm pocketing you when

idk i'd implore you to look at eod1 tbh. i was trying to parrot you and/or annika about killing ladd or maple day 1 and then we all ended up on rask. how likely is it you think ladd/maple has 0 wolves? if its highly likely then feel free to continue sussing me ig, but that's not how i see the worlds right now? and there's a different scenario day 1 where instead of landing on a shrugyeet of a wolf, you/me/annika all work together and hit on one of them who is a wolf. if i'm a 3rd wolf in that potential pairing what the fuck am i doing and how do you process that vs what you know about how i wolf lol

(ftr i know you're not super super concerned so this is LESS about you needing to lock town me and MORE about you playing the game with me. its kinda what i signed up for homie)

[nebjiamn]

Each night, target a player (you may self-target). If they are the same alignment as you, defuse any bombs strapped to them. You are told when you successfully defuse a bomb. If you target a villager with a bomb strapped to them on the night they die, only their alignment will be shown when they flip.

good lord i have misinterpreted the latter half of this role almost all game, i read it as "if you target a villager with strapped bomb you kill them" not that you janitor their role

uhhhhhhhhhh

fuck me lol

[nebjiamn]

what the fuck is the point of a hyper specific town role janitor if the roles are:

2x town redirect
1x tracker inventor which can be easily confirmed??????
1x town arsonist/bomb strapper

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uh, i guess this may lend credence to the idea that someone couldn't be a tracker and was FPSing if they got a track off in thread and then died over night as just Town

but the realities of this happening seem way to specific for general game design lol

[nebjiamn]

good lord i have misinterpreted the latter half of this role almost all game, i read it as "if you target a villager with strapped bomb you kill them" not that you janitor their role

uhhhhhhhhhh

fuck me lol

@didistetter @ladd @Lissa @Maple @dyachei @Visor

did you all correctly read the latter half of this, actually?
are we sure taffy has to be a village with this implementation?

if the tracks are real (well, we know tracks are real) -- why couldn't taffy be a mafia arsonist who sometimes can choose to target mafia for purposes of tracking since a wolf teammate would have ways to remove those douses on a future night?

[nebjiamn]

before anyone suggests this is another gotcha moment, i am just spitballing cause i obviously fucked up the interpretation of that role

but taffy being a misclear off shoddy mechanics would somewhat make sense of the POE which otherwise seems hard to pair down

[nebjiamn]

the only reason i thought that role was entirely clearing of being mafia was because i took rask's role to be a way for mafia to have gated KP (e.g. they could ignite a town/3p douse, which kinda served as the 'anti-claim' that taffy was talking about)

but since mafia don't actually ignite the town, why can't this just be part of their role set?

[Maple]

brother ive been calling taffy meowted for a hot minute

and yes, i was aware that it's a jani

[Maple]

actually that would explain a post you made

[nebjiamn]

brother ive been calling taffy meowted for a hot minute

and yes, i was aware that it's a jani

if you think that then why are you pushing ladd

[Maple]

if you think that then why are you pushing ladd

people dont wanna kill her because she's just 3p or w/e nonsense people have been saying

she certainly aint v so who cares idgi im still annoyed taht like 2 or 3 other people got to arctic v yday and none of them voted with me

[Totally not Taffy]

visor - well he's not really doing much this game. I'm sure that's why I'm in the POE, too. But like he comes in and makes proclamations without really explaining them and it makes it hard to do much with him

I don't think this is fair? I can remember a lot more of Visor's pushes/reads than of yours, at any rate. If anything I'd say he's being more communicative than I'm used to, and you are less so.

I honestly don't think either is AI since you're both good at both alignments and your activity is probably more influenced by real life / available time than by anything else.

Maybe this is another case like that time with Baudib where I just couldn't see what you were talking about but please make a more fleshed out read on Visor. For example, he made pushes on both Arctic (flipped town) and Stett (your top townread) D1, I'd like you to look at those and comment on his reasoning there. Look at Visor's posts yesterday before and after my claim, before and after Benneh thought he'd caught Arctic in a lie, does he seem like he had tmi anywhere? Or, have a chat with him bc I remember you saying that's how you read people best.

Don't just shrug-poe ppl that's how we'd lose.

Taffy (3)

[nebjiamn]

people dont wanna kill her because she's just 3p or w/e nonsense people have been saying

she certainly aint v so who cares idgi im still annoyed taht like 2 or 3 other people got to arctic v yday and none of them voted with me

well speaking generally, it'd be a big dum dum move for wanting to kill her so hard on day 2 if she's only ever 'not town' aka 'only has 3p equity' with 2 wolves alive and your infatuation with that resolving that as if its a priority world is one of the more wolfy things about you

[Totally not Taffy]

vote:lissa

Gonna get back to sleep. Monday is busy so prolly will do re reading on tuesday but like I really believe there isnt much space for wolves to hide if people start taking stuff at face value

Dya wouldnt make that post @ sunbae as a wolf - they are a villager. Sometimes its that easy

Benneh is consistently solving in a genuine way, they are a villager

Stett is cleared by everyone who knows them well, they are a villager

Waza posting consistently villagery all game, they are a villager

Zelda pushing unusual angles and displaying paranoia and weird theories at every step, they are a villager

Taffy claim cannot be a wolf p much, they are a villager (or 3p but who cares rn)

Visor has been playing the agitator and having original pushes all game, they are a villager (probably)

And in a similar vein I'd like you to look closer at Dyachei. "Ladd says town bc meta on one post" is perfectly fine for D1, but they've done stuff, we've had flips, tell me why they're town from how they treated Arctic/Annika/Sunbae.

The two of you are expressing almost diametrically opposed views on Visor's play this game and you're not talking to eachother about it, this is bothering me.

Taffy (4)

[Totally not Taffy]

Tbh I think town!you would probs have been killed last night if Ben or lissa is a wolf

I can go into more of the details but I think you not dieing and Annika dieing looks worse for maple/ender pairing and better for a dya/ben pairing

(Btw when I say pairing I don’t mean there has to be two in each pair but like hopefully one)

The other implication is that ur the wolf lmao but err I think I lean more in to being maple>ender>lisor=visor

Everyone else is pmuch town imo

I don't need details per se but can you make clear to me whether you mean "it's more likely that Maple and Ender are paired now" or "Maple and Ender are more likely to be wolves" or entirely the opposite.

It's probably just a language barrier but I don't know what you mean from your sentence.

Taffy (5)

[nebjiamn]

I don't need details per se but can you make clear to me whether you mean "it's more likely that Maple and Ender are paired now" or "Maple and Ender are more likely to be wolves" or entirely the opposite.

It's probably just a language barrier but I don't know what you mean from your sentence.

Taffy (5)

he clarifies in the next sentence you highlighted--it does not mean those are paired w/w but that it looks better/worse for each individual within that pair.

[Totally not Taffy]

EOD1?

They had 0 consideration about what else was happening. They basically had like maybe 2 or 3 posts that weren't just re-iterations of anti-Annika statements.

Which is an easy tunnel way of ignoring all other wagons. Annika mentioned the other wagons and gave reads around it but Maple's entire focus was just discrediting and pushing Annika.

"Small footprint" is a wolftell I still use to this day because even good wolves fall into it without realising.

I was actually just going to thank your post and move on, but could you look at and compare Visor/Ladd/Dyachei/Stett's footprints for me? I know this is a lot of work so no worries if you don't have time - just in case ppl decide to kill you today and you're wondering what legacy would be most useful, for me it's this.

Taffy (6)

[ladd]

@didistetter @ladd @Lissa @Maple @dyachei @Visor

did you all correctly read the latter half of this, actually?
are we sure taffy has to be a village with this implementation?

if the tracks are real (well, we know tracks are real) -- why couldn't taffy be a mafia arsonist who sometimes can choose to target mafia for purposes of tracking since a wolf teammate would have ways to remove those douses on a future night?

Yes i read it correctly


Yes i still dont see how taffy is a wolf, since 1)why d u need to be notifies if yiu successfully defuse a bomb if the bomber is same alignment and yiu and 2) i dont see the point of making such a complex combo just to janitor



I dont believe a word manti is saying (and like benneh pointed out if tehy feel so strongly about taffy not being a villager going after me makes no sense ghven how d1 played out)


@Totally not Taffy sometimes 1 post is enuf (but i also think they have posted well today and yday at eod). Idk who you are talking about that has the opposute visor read as me?

[dyachei]

Visor is not a priority for me to look at right now so what you get is what you get taffy. I'm more concerned with manti, Ladd, and lissa.

Ben I missed that part entirely but idk if taffy pov makes sense as a wolf? Like why claim that role as a wolf?

[ladd]

Manti is just a wolf who latched onto something they could spin as wolfy (taffy vest stuff at eod) and blew it completely out of proportion. They did the same thing eod1 with annika


I genuinely dont care bout their claim, its nai. their posts are just super wolfy

I made the mistake of caring about arctic claim even tho they were posting villagery but no more. I am back at applying apoc school of werewolfing

[Visor]

I am fine with manti dying I guess

[Totally not Taffy]

I think I'm happy with me/Lissa/Maple poe? I do think I've been letting Waza/Ladd go a little. Taffy's not wolf. Benneh's not wolf. Dya's not wolf. (I think) Pzelda is probably not a wolf (but god that theory on me was atrocious) Stett I keep getting paranoia about but everyone else agrees that they're town so I'm just telling myself to shut up there.

+1

If I had bombed last night, it'd probably have been Stett.
Bc EoD1 she immediately bought and defended Arctic as PR (and I'm not dismissing the chance that Sunbae died defending him), combined with the plan(s) to keep him alive - it looks like she just couldn't see him as a wolf when everyone else could. And then yesterday's repeated begging at EoD not to bomb Annika only for her to end up dead - that's very much a move I've seen wolves do.

So no you're not alone.
But if anything I'm not a hero shooter.

Taffy (7)

[pzelda]

before anyone suggests this is another gotcha moment, i am just spitballing cause i obviously fucked up the interpretation of that role

but taffy being a misclear off shoddy mechanics would somewhat make sense of the POE which otherwise seems hard to pair down

I suggest Taffy should be more involved in solving the game. I'm more likely to lock them town for that tnan for a claim. Tbh with your observation it would make some sense for them to be aligned with mafia. Basically, it could be that anti-claim mechanic. Douse a player and then janitor them while killing that. Do you think it would make sense balance wise?

[nebjiamn]

Yes i read it correctly


Yes i still dont see how taffy is a wolf, since 1)why d u need to be notifies if yiu successfully defuse a bomb if the bomber is same alignment and yiu and 2) i dont see the point of making such a complex combo just to janitor



I dont believe a word manti is saying (and like benneh pointed out if tehy feel so strongly about taffy not being a villager going after me makes no sense ghven how d1 played out)


@Totally not Taffy sometimes 1 post is enuf (but i also think they have posted well today and yday at eod). Idk who you are talking about that has the opposute visor read as me?

very fair, only really makes sense in the world there is a town rb/jk and i imagine one of those woulda claimed by now

[pzelda]

Btw taffy, what's your take on Visor? You asked Dya and Ladd a whole bunch of questions, but I have to admit I would like to know your take too.

[Maple]

brb throwing myself into the ocean

[ladd]

From what i re read (bit and pieces) ender is the second wolfiest poster itt

Their strongest wolfread on arctic was a classic example of a read that felt justified AFTER it actually started. Like ender wolfread arctic for a single post d1 but then d2 he made a whole wall for why artic was a wolf that was incredibky nitpicky and taking everything at its worst possible interpretation

Their vote on me today is justified by 1 silly reasons (beacause i slipped there is an arso? Lmao cmn brah) and lacking any sort of holistic view of my posting



Third guess would still be lissa but they have sunbae read and some okay posting during not eods going for them

Everyone else is villa. I rechecked eod and stett/benneh arent wolves. Zelda too pure. Dya too pure in some spots and showing some classic villa dya signs. Taffy not a wolf.

Like if i REALLY wanted to tinfoil someone it'be waza or visor but waza has been asking the right questions, posting good thoughts, being his villa self all game and visor idk what he is doing since d2 (guess just busy) but idt this is how he plays as a wolf




Also annika has been the best villager this game. So many good posts and reads d1

[nebjiamn]

im gona guess manti is a wolf arso that douses and gives a track to the same player but they can't ever ignite or alternately they ignite only when they die

so rip visor and stett in that world

[Totally not Taffy]

@Totally not Taffy what made you think visor tracked you?

The fact that he was/is keeping his target close to his chest, which to me means either a) he caught the NK and he wanted to give them time to spew more, or b) he tracked someone who hadn't posted yet when you asked and wanted to see if he could catch them in a lie (and I was one of the ppl who hadn't posted yet) - for example if he'd seen me do nothing but I'd claimed to have doused someone he'd have known I was lying. Or, if I'd doused someone but gotten NKed it might've been good for town to still know where the bomb was.

Taffy (8)

[pzelda]

I'm going to waste one more post on mechanics before returning to my reread.

I can see a point of having a complicated janitor. It would give mafia half a killing role. There would be always an interesting decision for them to either explode a player or lose that extra kill and go with the janitor. I don't know how this combination jives with 2 half lightning rods and a inventor (unreliable informative + protective role).
The other thing is that the janitor is only hiding roles. So, ladd's probably right, because it would only make sense to use to hide a mafia role to me. Accidently janitoring town might be pro-town.

Ok, I feel like dropping this notion and returning to Taffy v/3p.