StarWars: Return of the Sith [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by Renata

"And he would give himself up by that?"

I don't know what you mean by this. My comment was directed at Diamondeye's statement that GH had never joined the major discussions. He may not have said much, but he certainly made himself heard on the Beskar issue, at least.

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What i mean that would GH be Sith, would he give up himself by so blatantly by attacking Beskar continuosly?

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Originally Posted by White_eyes:D

Town never listens to me....So, I have nothing to add:shame:

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That's never stopped you before. :beam:

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And I don't really have any proof of anything to clear my name...I also get the vibe that people in the first round were trying to get me to "spill the beans" like in "Rift War".:stare:

So, I must change my playstyle to suit a more "not-so-jumpy mafia player":wink:

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Well this all sounds like a lie. You also seem to be implying you have beans to spill. Our naughty parts are just all exposed today, aren't they? Who could have done this to us, could it beeeeeeeee.... Satan? [/church lady]

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Originally Posted by Yaropolk

I'm on vacation this week and doing all my reading form a blackberry. I don't intend to get more active than this. I'll Vote: Lord Winter for previously stated reasons (He's got a sith lord name built in!)

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Hmmm, I mention your name and you pop out of thin air, reading this massive thread from a blackberry. *ahem* Subotan in Mafia IX syndrome *ahem*

Interesting you pick the one candidate who couldn't possibly be offended by your vote, since he's limp as a ragdoll and is currently filling the pro-town role of "dust collection enthusiast..." :beam:

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Originally Posted by Diamondeye

I think you are forgetting General Hankerchief and TinCow, Pizza. GH is scooping way low, I can't recall him joining on any of the major discussions thus far, and, well, I get a seriously bad vibe off TC but if I'm the only one then I guess it's my brain that's messed up.

Also, I'm willing to unvote Niklas; vote: AVSM to get this project rolling.

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Hey, I was all for Generalhankerchief dying by lynch, by Sith Lord, by falling down the stairs, by accidentally inhaling too much oxygen, or from the slow accumulation of too much swallowed saliva, dissolving his intestinal tract, but some peoples were all like, No Pizzaguy, he might have tried to lynch you for being all "grrrr" and contrarian, but he's not mafia. So I gave that my best shot.

As for TinCow, it seems as though he's doing stuff we all should be doing, which is using thoughtful reasoning and discussing. If he's scum, he's shamed us all. (I smell an ironic signature in my future)

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Originally Posted by Thermal Mercury

@ ATPG

Perhaps a combination of hosting this and this, as well as this, not to mention playing t h ese games and still observing o t her games, whilst promoting mafia at the TWC, as well as adding to my workshop plus discussing here and here, not to mention reviewing AAR's and interviewing people, along with blogging and rating, has something to do with it... :juggle2:

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Hmm, all that must absolve you of being scum here. You can't be mafia, because your shirt is too red and it smells like herring.



Well at least I've prompted a few scummy people to give their scum defenses filled with scum.

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

What i mean that would GH be Sith, would he give up himself by so blatantly by attacking Beskar continuosly?

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It was a very high-risk move, so my first instinct says no. He does need to continue to make himself accountable now that Beskar is dead, but he's not at the top of my suspect list.

I do think AVSM and khaan should go.

But we need a vote count before we start shifting votes, else we'll end up lynching chaotix by accident.

And we shouldn't do big lists because it guides the mafia on who to kill too much.

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Originally Posted by Secura

It's funny that this contradicts what Beskar told me of his own role, which was something along the lines of "can defeat all Knights and most Masters"... it would suggest that the person killing the Jedi Masters is the Sith Lord himself.

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It is not contradictory...I was talking abt the Sith lord (assuming he is the one killing with Force powers) when i said they.

I've been hearing rumours of 'khaan being in a group or a network, which is odd, since, if memory serves me well, he was very much opposed to townie groups/networks.

I'd like to hear more about this.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

And we shouldn't do big lists because it guides the mafia on who to kill too much.

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He's a funny guy.

I was under the impression we had already done everything we could possibly do this game to guide the mafia on who to kill too much. :beam: Just sayin'.

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Originally Posted by Renata

I want a full explanation of that ability.

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Fair enough, but not here. :bow:

AVSM is being voted why? Yes, he's lurking and it's something he tends to do largely as Mafia, but also when he's town. The case against 'khaan is much stronger, he's acted forceful and pushy in thread and in other dialogues. He may be a casualty of his own skill however. We really need to find a good candidate and stick to it. As Andres pointed out, carelessness may be the only offence committed by Niklas. But, if that is the case why hasn't he stopped by to dispell anything? My vote stays where it is until that time

My PM box is open.

I like the case against Yaropolk, personally, among the lurkers (Lord Winter? Really?). But 'Khaan is also good, and AVSM acceptable if only because there's no way any real clues to his alignment are going to come directly from him.

unvote: Niklas

Why do I get the sensation that we're just going around in circles? What the Dickens are the investigators doing?

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Originally Posted by Secura

unvote: Niklas

Why do I get the sensation that we're just going around in circles? What the Dickens are the investigators doing?

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So far, they have been deemed to behave scummy.

It's the inevitable and tragic fate of the detective and most pro-town roles in mafia games, really. You do your best to find scum and to save the town and as a reward, they lynch you.

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Originally Posted by Secura

Why do I get the sensation that we're just going around in circles? What the Dickens are the investigators doing?

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On the contrary, I feel like we're making decent progress. Scrutinizing people closely, one by one, to find inconsistencies and errors is solid, methodical scum-detection work. So far we've done extremely well, as demonstrated by the fact that this system has accurately zeroed in on multiple people with power roles. While revealing them in the process is not ideal, it's far from fatal for the town. In addition, we haven't made the usual fatal mistake of lynching the pro-town roles, we have recognized them for who they are relatively quickly and moved the attention elsewhere in search of new suspects. If we continue to accurately spot the roles at the rate we have been, the mafia will get nailed sooner rather than later. We have numbers on our side, they do not.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Hmm, all that must absolve you of being scum here. You can't be mafia, because your shirt is too red and it smells like herring.

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Your question was acting about my activity, not my scum level, which is why I replied by telling you why my activity isn't all that high, at no point did I say it absolved me from being scum, not all of us are post hypermaniacs.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Well at least I've prompted a few scummy people to give their scum defenses filled with scum.

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Most of the candidates that reach your scum list tend to be innocent anyway. :juggle2:

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Originally Posted by White_eyes:D

Town never listens to me....So, I have nothing to add:shame:
And I don't really have any proof of anything to clear my name...I also get the vibe that people in the first round were trying to get me to "spill the beans" like in "Rift War".:stare:

So, I must change my playstyle to suit a more "not-so-jumpy mafia player":wink:

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How convenient...is that a soft-claim as well?
unvote Niklas; vote: White_eyes (I am not sure why Niklas has shown up in the thread...i might still switch it back to him)

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Originally Posted by Diamondeye

I think you are forgetting General Hankerchief and TinCow, Pizza. GH is scooping way low, I can't recall him joining on any of the major discussions thus far, and, well, I get a seriously bad vibe off TC but if I'm the only one then I guess it's my brain that's messed up.

Also, I'm willing to unvote Niklas; vote: AVSM to get this project rolling.

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You are not the only one. I too think he is not being as ruthless as he usually is. I have been getting this feeling for the last couple of phases.

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Originally Posted by autolycus

I think khaan is the best candidate of those I've seen so far, although I might shift over to niklas. vote: khaan

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How... committed. FoS: autolycus

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Originally Posted by Psychonaut

In other news. I was going to come here and vote, Niklas, before all these shenanigans erupted. I am fairly certain he was your leak Beskar, fairly, but not 100%.

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If there was a leak, it was Beskar himself. Most of my displeasure with him came from how careless he has been with information all along.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Scummy vibe:

White_eyes:D- Suspicious, because he's not commenting as much. He has 4 posts all game. Townie White_Eyes:D freaks out and wildly accuses people for no reason and is paranoid to a fault. Here, he's calm, reserved, and quiet as a mouse. That means he's scumbag to a degree of like 75% certainty.
pevergreen- 28 posts? I need to go back and re-read. That seems unusually high for you. I have to see what you're so interested in.
Joooray- You've been scum a lot recently and you like to sneak by, and you're darn good at it too. 7 posts? You can do better.
Yaseikhaan- A master of lurking, especially as scum. Because it's your usual thing, you have a pass to do it over and over. You could stand a little more scrutiny.
autolycus- I know you've been more active and outspoken in other games.
Jolt- Feels like you're just slipping by.
Greyblades- Not a big splash so far.
Thermal Mercury- Gone are the days when you rivaled me in post count. When did YOU become so quiet? :inquisitive:

Lurking too much:

A Very Super Market- He always does this, but this is even worse than usual. He seems to be avoiding the WOG intentionally.
Lord Winter- WOGbait in other games. He has exactly one post so he should be rightly booted out soon, and if he's not, he should be lynched.
Yaropolk- 7 posts?
Centurion1- 4 posts?

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Good idea, and a nice list you have, but I feel your soft heart has made you skip one name I would have wanted to see on that list. Someone whose every post so far has struck me as uncommitted at best. So don't mind if I help myself to spreading your graces a bit further. :bow:

vote: Diana Abnoba

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Originally Posted by Secura

It's funny that this contradicts what Beskar told me of his own role, which was something along the lines of "can defeat all Knights and most Masters"... it would suggest that the person killing the Jedi Masters is the Sith Lord himself.

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Delusions of grandeur? Last night Beskar told me that "unfortunately, Sith had a super upgrade, so even my deflect had little effort, as you saw in the write up. If they never got that powerboost, I would have survived.". How does he know such things? Methinks he simply thinks a bit too much of himself, after what I gathered from Methos' account of being attacked.

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Originally Posted by Andres

Hmmm, wasn't there a group sharing all info from the beginning of the game, consisting of Beskar, Niklas, Renata and Secura?

I asked this question in one of the first rounds before: who was the most careless with information? That's probably your leak.

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No no, don't drag me and Renata into that circle, please! As Renata has said we've been talking quite a bit, but that's very far from sharing all info.

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Originally Posted by Psychonaut

As Andres pointed out, carelessness may be the only offence committed by Niklas. But, if that is the case why hasn't he stopped by to dispell anything? My vote stays where it is until that time

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Heh, did you somehow miss my big "wall of text"? What is this carelessness I'm now being accused of? Carelessness with information, being a leak? No, I am not the leak you are looking for. If there exists a leak then that leak is/was Beskar. Ask him why he shared his intended investigation of me with TinCow, for instance, and you'll see carelessness.

But regarding there being a leak or not, it was one possible theory to explain the deaths of Csargo and Methos. I know I am not that leak though, I strongly doubt Renata is, and if Beskar was then it's a red herring.

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Originally Posted by Thermal Mercury

Chaotix is being far less professional than usual.

vote: Subotan

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Well what can I say, Thermal. You clearly have time to read the thread, because you are reading it at regular intervals, and are prompt to respond when I point the finger in your general direction. But, when you're not being pressured, you make quiet posts that go unnoticed by most people. It feels like you're contributing to the discussion just enough to make sure that no one can accuse you of otherwise. But the solid-looking wall is made out of paper. There's something going on beneath the surface here.

"Most who end up on my scum list end up being innocent", ah yes the rallying cry of half the scums I've ever accused. Kind of like when I accused Beefy in that game I was right about him as being scum, he told me I was always wrong about him. Why do they usually respond the same way, by attacking the credibility of the accuser? This is mafia, I have no credible accusations to make, just wild ones based on nothing. It's sorta the nature of the game. Some people I accuse will turn out innocent. But, if I don't even attempt to accuse, I never would have bagged any scums, and I have bagged more than a few.

Your reactions seem off to me, and you clearly have enough time for this game. You're keeping your head down on purpose in my estimation.

I dont think Niklas sounds very scummy. On the other hand Tincow maybe you would like to elaborate what else Beskar has told you? Maybe it is you who killed him?

Hmm. Satisfactory response from Niklas. Vote change pending the below quote.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

But we need a vote count before we start shifting votes, else we'll end up lynching chaotix by accident.

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Brb.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

On the contrary, I feel like we're making decent progress. Scrutinizing people closely, one by one, to find inconsistencies and errors is solid, methodical scum-detection work. So far we've done extremely well, as demonstrated by the fact that this system has accurately zeroed in on multiple people with power roles. While revealing them in the process is not ideal, it's far from fatal for the town. In addition, we haven't made the usual fatal mistake of lynching the pro-town roles, we have recognized them for who they are relatively quickly and moved the attention elsewhere in search of new suspects. If we continue to accurately spot the roles at the rate we have been, the mafia will get nailed sooner rather than later. We have numbers on our side, they do not.

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:bow:

A risk well worth taking.

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

On the other hand Tincow maybe you would like to elaborate what else Beskar has told you?

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I have reviewed all my PMs with him and this is the only other information I found that was useful and did not deal with speculation about Niklas:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

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Originally Posted by Beskar

I lied about the unlynchable thing to cause mischief, then Sigurd did me justice by actually making Dooku act as i had it intended. However, I lied about being completely unlynchable, to hopefully to get people to leave me alone, also i wanted the Mafia to attack me, as I had night protection, thus, one less townie to kill. I also suspected any investigators would investigate me and thus show I am good anyway.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

I believe Secura is currently innocent. Nothing suggested conversion or anything yet.

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

Maybe it is you who killed him?

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I did not, but I have no proof of that other than my own words.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Joooray- You've been scum a lot recently and you like to sneak by ...

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Guilty as charged and it would be only fair to lynch me for it. All I can say is that uni is really kicking my butt at the moment and this game is not necessarily a game, where you can pop in every now and then, contribute a bit to the discussion and then make a good choice for the vote. I've been honestly overwhelmed by the sheer number of posts while I was gone. And not knowing what was going on behind the scenes didn't really spark my interest in following the accusations being thrown around the way they were. All in all the game has been really hard to follow with the time I had for it.

Anyway, I support your notion for a different approach, even if it'll get me lynched. I'll do my best to support it by contributing more.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Well what can I say, Thermal. You clearly have time to read the thread, because you are reading it at regular intervals, and are prompt to respond when I point the finger in your general direction. But, when you're not being pressured, you make quiet posts that go unnoticed by most people. It feels like you're contributing to the discussion just enough to make sure that no one can accuse you of otherwise. But the solid-looking wall is made out of paper. There's something going on beneath the surface here.

"Most who end up on my scum list end up being innocent", ah yes the rallying cry of half the scums I've ever accused. Kind of like when I accused Beefy in that game I was right about him as being scum, he told me I was always wrong about him. Why do they usually respond the same way, by attacking the credibility of the accuser? This is mafia, I have no credible accusations to make, just wild ones based on nothing. It's sorta the nature of the game. Some people I accuse will turn out innocent. But, if I don't even attempt to accuse, I never would have bagged any scums, and I have bagged more than a few.

Your reactions seem off to me, and you clearly have enough time for this game. You're keeping your head down on purpose in my estimation.

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What do you want me to say? I post if I think theres a reason to, all my long posts would do is repeat what has already been said.

If your wondering why I voted for subotan I did so because he is on the fantastic 4 suspicion list and is behavioring simliarly to as he did in mafia XI, I think.

And now I forgot to vote, not sure if it'll count in an edited post so I'll post again:

Vote: 'khaan, as far as I understood it, the case against him is based on scummy and aggressive behaviour in the thread, I like that reasoning far better then the allegation about some Ren-Sec-Nik-Meth-Nexus.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

autolycus- I know you've been more active and outspoken in other games.

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It's worth noting that autolycus has been a villain in almost every game he's played at CFC, and has shown little problem with being active or outspoken when guilty. This is not to say he's innocent, just that his activity level is a poor indicator.

Unvote: Niklas Vote: AVSM

Current Tally:

'khaan - 4 (TinCow, GH, autolycus, Joooray)
AVSM - 4 (Kage, Diamondeye, Subotan, Psycho)

Niklas - 2 (Chaotix, Sasaki)

Psycho - 1 (Renata)
Renata - 1 (ATPG)
White_eyes:D - 1 (atheotes)
Chaotix - 1 (pevergrren)
Subotan - 1 (Thermal Mercury)
Lord Winter - 1 (Yaropolk)
Diana Abnoba - 1 (Niklas)

Gah! I'm gone for half a day and the threads jumped four 90 post pages.
Any chance someone could explain whats happened?

unvote, vote:khaan

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Originally Posted by Greyblades

Gah! I'm gone for half a day and the threads jumped four 90 post pages.
Any chance someone could explain whats happened?

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Chaotix turns out to be Yoda and his bad move has cost Beskar's life. Psychonaut has claimed Obee-wan Kenobi - he still has to answer some questions.
But the general consensus has been to take a deeper look at some of the people who have been skating through - including you. :smash:

What can I say? Most of the time this game moves too fast for me to keep up.

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Originally Posted by atheotes

Chaotix turns out to be Yoda and his bad move has cost Beskar's life.

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Haha, when I read this again, I was reminded of Attack of the Clones where Anakin is being chained to a pillar and he says to his Master "we were doing this to rescue you!", and Obi-Wan looks up to his own chains, turns back to his Padawan and says dryly "good job!"

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

unvote, vote:khaan

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Why so eager to break the tie?