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Then why don't you post your own views in a clear manner instead of posting dubious claims by an ex-con ?
Nothings new. Again if we were some endangered animal species youd be saying we must be saved.Quote:
So what ? whats new ? populations change , birth rates fluctuate .
Nothings new. Again if we were some endangered animal species youd be saying we must be saved.
Oh so you are saying the white christian race is an endangereds species , but what exactly is this white christian race that you are talking about ?
If the human race were going to go extinct, I'd be worried. But us as a species, aren't going to go extinct for a while (probably).
Its pretty self explanatory isnt it? White Christians..Quote:
Oh so you are saying the white christian race is an endangereds species , but what exactly is this white christian race that you are talking about ?
The argument is over cultural preservation. I happen to believe western culture is something worth saving, although theres nothing wrong with welcoming ideas from all cultures.
Its pretty self explanatory isnt it? White Christians..
Yes , very explanatory , racist religionist crap .
Thanks for clearing that up for me Panzer . ~:cheers:
About time the Anglo-Saxon population had more new blood here. The lower end of society is starting to go a bit stale. And the upper end went stale about 800 years ago.
Well, I'm going to make a couple of very un-PC observations, call me a racist should you desire:
-When middle easterners talk about preserving their culture and not inter-marrying, the Left gives them a pass, saying 'of course, they should be free to preserve their culture'. When those of European descent say the same things, they're racist bigots. Not exactly a fair standard. Either we all have to disolve our cultural ideosynchracies, or none of us should have to.
-When you move to a foreign culture, it's not unreasonable for those people to expect you to at least honor that culture, if not adopt it. If you really believe the great bastion of cultural tolerance, Tehran, would allow me to trot down the street with a Paris Hilton T-shirt swigging a budweiser, wearing a cross, you're crazy. Heck, I couldn't even get away with that in Damascus, and they're supposed to be a secular state.
-It's easy to preach on about cultural tolerance when you're not the ones having to make sacrafices. Last I checked, and I go to Dublin & Limerick quite often, Ireland didn't look all that different, population wise, then it would have 100 years ago. I'm not saying that you're not open to outsiders, but I've noticed that there's a tip point with immigration where people start to feel threatened. Even black people in America resent the Latinos moving here, and if anything, you'd think they'd join forces and boot the gringos/honkeys out of power.
Let's face it... when immigrants come to a country, some want to join the new culture, and some want to change the existing culture to match theirs. This isn't a statement about Mexicans or Middle-Easterners, it's a fact, be it Irish, Italians, or any of the other waves of immigrants that America has experienced. The local population tends to resent that, and it's a bit high and mighty of you to call them names for not being willing to abandon everything they've ever known to adopt an imported culture.
How can you differintiate the ones who want to integrate, and the ones that do not?
Lol theres nothing wrong with wanting to preserve a particular culture or recognizing the race and religion that perpetuates that culture to the greatest extent.Quote:
Yes , very explanatory , racist religionist crap .
Thanks for clearing that up for me Panzer .
Religionist? Thats a new one for the books.. ~D
As ive said before, such buzzwords are only used to stifle discussion.
I don't see what Christianity has to do with any european culture. If anything religion has always supressed culture. Getting rid of it is the only way we will ever progress our cultures.
Yes, [illigal] immigrants will eventually overwhelm our populations and change the racial features. But they cannot gain political power so long as they are illigal immigrants. It's america's fault for allowing these people to vote and be able to get jobs there with papers, not theirs.
Yes a lot of them will probably intermarry to get papers even if they are illigal, but most will not, because we will be to atheist for them. ~;)
They will be the conservatives, ironically enough and will want to keep other immigrants, possibly from Asia and Africa out.
BP ~;p
Um... I don't get it. It is the fault of the rich people that use illegal immigrants as a cheap work force, not neccassarily America itself's fault.Quote:
It's america's fault for allowing these people to vote and be able to get jobs there with papers, not theirs.
I wouldn't say it has nothing to do with it.Quote:
I don't see what Christianity has to do with any european culture. If anything religion has always supressed culture. Getting rid of it is the only way we will ever progress our cultures.
Now Prince, you very well know that the Christian church preserved vast amounts of culture and knowledge during the dark ages. Christian funded schools helped Europe recover from the brain drain of that time and has been very influential in learning philosophy ever since.
If it werent for Christian preservation and advances in knowledge and thinking, you probably wouldnt have the philosophical standing to denounce Christian teachings. ~;)
Also, the greatest advances in the Muslim world regarding science and thinking were during times when that religion was rapidly growing.
Lol theres nothing wrong with wanting to preserve a particular culture or recognizing the race and religion that perpetuates that culture to the greatest extent.
What religion and culture , what race ?
So I go back to my earlier statement , what the hell is a white christian ?
How dark has your skin pigmentation got to be before you are no longer White ? which branch of Christianity do you have to follow to be a Christian that prepetuates that culture to the greatest extent , how many generations do you have to live in Europe for before you are a European ?
It's easy to preach on about cultural tolerance when you're not the ones having to make sacrafices. Last I checked, and I go to Dublin & Limerick quite often, Ireland didn't look all that different, population wise, then it would have 100 years ago.
Thats strange Don since there are about 20 different nationalities where I am working at the moment and they make up nearly half the workforce there .
BTW why the hell would you want to go to Limerick ? or Dublin for that matter ~D ~D ~D
One of my company's largets design & manufacturing facilities is in Limerick. Dublin, because it's the 'big city'. I like Dublin actually, but I know a lot of people don't. My favorite city though is Killarney (I know, I'm a bloody tourist, shoot me). I'm also a HUGE of Clifden.
Well, no offense, but I find it hard to swallow that your company is perfectly representative of Irish population as a whole. You think you could find 20 different nationalities in all of Mayo, let alone any one village?
One of the ironies of the Dark Ages is that a lot of literature, mathematics and philosophy was preserved and built up on in the Middle East.Quote:
Modern academic use
The term "Dark Ages" is expressive in a different sense today having narrowed somewhat as knowledge has increased. Namely, the events of centuries before roughly 1000 C.E. often seem "dark" to us, due to their paucity of historical records compared with later times—not the entire period Petrarch conceived nor the more familiar High Middle Ages. Late 5th and 6th century Britain for instance, at the height of the Saxon invasions, might well be numbered among "the darkest of the Dark Ages," with the equivalent of a near-total news blackout compared with the Roman era before or even with the centuries following. Further east, the same was true in the formerly Roman province of Dacia, where history after the Roman withdrawal went unrecorded for centuries as Slavs, Avars, Bulgars and others struggled for supremacy in the Danube basin, and events there are still disputed. Historians today also use terms such as "Late Antiquity" and "Early Middle Ages" or "Migration Period" to describe this earlier period.
Meanwhile, the Byzantine Empire and the Abbasid Caliphate experienced Ages that were Golden rather than Dark. Consequently, while usage of these terms varies, including from one place to another (see below), one trend has been for the two terms, Dark Ages and Middle Ages, that were once synonymous in the minds of early humanists to be differentiated and applied to two distinct (if consecutive) periods. Ironically, while Petrarch's concept of a "Dark Age" corresponded to a mostly "Christian" period following pagan Rome, what most users of the term label the "Dark Ages" today are those least Christianized, when events in parts (though not all) of Europe were dominated by the activities of pagan tribes.
Later on when the Normans conquoured Sciliy there was a couple of generations of peaceful mixing between Orthodox, Catholic and Muslim academics that was a great flourishing.
If anything cultural diversity and free flow of ideas is where we see flourishing countries. It is where all knowledge is set and know where we have stagnation of intellect.Quote:
... Sicily was then ruled by the Byzantine Empire until the Arab conquest of AD 827-965. For a brief period (662 - 668) during Byzantine rule Syracuse was the imperial capital, until Constans II was assassinated.
The cultural diversity and religious tolerance of the period of Muslim rule under the Kalbid dynasty continued under the Normans who conquered the island in 1060-1090 (raising its status to that of a kingdom in 1130), and the south German Hohenstaufen dynasty which ruled from 1194, adopting Palermo as its principal seat from 1220.
Huh? Early Christians destroyed greek temples. The masterpieces of western architecture. Do you know how many manuscripts they burned because they refered to paganism? Pretty much all we are missing today is because of early Christians and the burning of the Alexandrian Library.Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJager
Which Christian teachings exactly? St.Augustine's? St.Paul's? IMO they were both unitelligent persons who contradicted themselves. Not to mention that St.Paul wrote passages that condoned slavery, and killing of homosexuals in the Bible. Yes if you search thoroughly enough, you'll find them.Quote:
If it werent for Christian preservation and advances in knowledge and thinking, you probably wouldnt have the philosophical standing to denounce Christian teachings. ~;)
The muslim world did some great good when they saved(copied in arabic for us to translate back to english) 90% of western civilizations most important documents that would have otherwise been lost.Quote:
Also, the greatest advances in the Muslim world regarding science and thinking were during times when that religion was rapidly growing.
What do christains have to do with the buring of the library? I guess we should blame the Romans then for destroying all this.Quote:
Pretty much all we are missing today is because of early Christians and the burning of the Alexandrian Library.
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Back this up.Quote:
The muslim world did some great good when they saved(copied in arabic for us to translate back to english) 90% of western civilizations most important documents that would have otherwise been lost.
BP, many monks were also great scholars, and many did save a lot of literary works, as well as teaching people different languages.
But as PJ pointed out, when Islam was flourishing, their culture was flourishing as well.
But it is important to realize that the Church's actions were different through out time, as well as each church handeled things differently. So while the early Church might have destroyed some stuff, they also helped to preserve and pass on other things.
They used fake library cards ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
I think it burned in BC you know before Christ. So I doubt there were many christains around.Quote:
They used fake library cards ??
Christianity was the belief that Christ will come again
So if its BC (follow me here)
Then it would be assumed that it would be Jewish believers, or one of the many other religions that was part of Alexandria.
Its really very simple Tribesman.Quote:
What religion and culture , what race ?
So I go back to my earlier statement , what the hell is a white christian ?
A caucasion(male or female) who follows the teachings of Christ.
Your race is a very important aspect of who you are no matter if you want to accept that or not. Youve got to give this information on countless forms throughout your life, so dont act as if its somehow wrong to recognize race. Your own government does.Quote:
How dark has your skin pigmentation got to be before you are no longer White ? which branch of Christianity do you have to follow to be a Christian that prepetuates that culture to the greatest extent , how many generations do you have to live in Europe for before you are a European ?
Maybe there was a Christ before that and Jesus is just the rerun ?? ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshal Murat
Its really very simple Tribesman.
A caucasion(male or female) who follows the teachings of Christ.
Yes very simple Panzer someone from European , N.African or middle eastern ancestry who follows the teachings of christ , so the Egyptian Copts are now White , So are Iraqi christians . Well thats me stumped , I was worrying about some of those Southern Europeans not being white enough to fit the criteria ~D ~D ~D
You think you could find 20 different nationalities in all of Mayo, let alone any one village?
Well next time you are on your way to Clifden swing round the Corrib to do some sightseeing , you will find the famous "Quiet man" village of Cong on its northen shores , see for yourself . Then head further North to Ballyhauniss .
Actually when you are driving up from Limerick try to time a stop in Gort to coincide with the local Brazilian festival .
No Tribesman, North Africans and Middle Eastern people are usually arab, not white. You really dont understand race do you? Im sure I can find a website that delineates the races, would that help you?Quote:
Yes very simple Panzer someone from European , N.African or middle eastern ancestry who follows the teachings of christ , so the Egyptian Copts are now White , So are Iraqi christians . Well thats me stumped , I was worrying about some of those Southern Europeans not being white enough to fit the criteria
Condescension aside, I think it would be very hard to delineate racesQuote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJager
I work with demographics a lot, and racial makeup of an area is a huge part of that.
Here is an excerpt from a city im doing market research on:
Some people seem to see any mention of race as derogatory or unnecessary, but that isnt the case at all. Being "color-blind" does not actually mean you cannot recognize race.Quote:
As of the census of 2000, there are 85,781 people, 39,288 households, and 19,683 families residing in the CDP. The population density is 878.1/km² (2,274.1/mi²). There are 42,794 housing units at an average density of 438.0/km² (1,134.5/mi²). The racial makeup of the CDP is 77.55% White, 12.04% African American, 0.18% Native American, 3.29% Asian, 0.05% Pacific Islander, 4.94% from other races, and 1.95% from two or more races. 9.93% of the population are Hispanic or Latino of any race.
PJ, some of the people are of Turkish or Iranian ancestory, not necassarily Arabic.Quote:
No Tribesman, North Africans and Middle Eastern people are usually arab, not white. You really dont understand race do you? Im sure I can find a website that delineates the races, would that help you?
edit: And Iranians (well the original Iranian speakers) were "white". Not sure what Turks are considered.
Well then their not white christains. See even you can tell the difference. ~DQuote:
PJ, some of the people are of Turkish or Iranian ancestory, not necassarily Arabic.
Well the original Iranian speakers were "white". But not Christians, no.