Re: Great Britain: Republic or Monarchy?
When the monarchy was a system to keep up some kind of organization, royals made sense, and people with more privileges than others. That the system is based on blood heritage is bull, so that's the main problem with it. But these days, where they don't actually got any power, but are just there to entertain 80 year old women in retirement homes reading their morning paper with such exciting stories as "Prinz August - der Pinkelprinz" ( about a german royal who peed onto a tree ), they're useless and I would want to save up the 50 cent they cost in a year.
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i am b) have a disability such as dyslexia, blindness or no fingers (in which case good on you for not letting it get to you). got a free PC of goverment :p long live the queen etc
Lol. It only takes a free PC to produce loyal citizens! Argentinia could learn from this! Good for you Zerg.
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got a free PC of goverment :p long live the queen etc
You know I might have been a bit hasty with my posts abour Sir....sorry... Mr. Anthony Linton Blair...what a fine upstanding chap he really is...:saint: I take it all back, what a fantastic, non-condescending, non-lying, non-hypocritical, non-controlfreak he is. We all love you Tony ~:flirt:
Three cheers for Tony...~:cheers:
do I get a free pc now? :hide:
hehe~D
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Heh. I never knew his full birthname. I can't believe I never looked it up.~:eek:
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Yes your opinions are appreciated it is interesting to see what some 1 from a different country thinks of mine, as I can not see it from the outside :)
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Soulforged why dose it bother you wather we have a queen or not she is a long way from you?
I don't have to live in your country to know that the "royalty" is not representative of all the people or your nationality. This is a political discussion, I thought that my opinions were apreciated, wheter I'm from Argentina or Sudafrica. Also every case of unequality worries me, not for me properly speaking, but for the situation of the human kind as a whole.
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You know I might have been a bit hasty with my posts abour Sir....sorry...
don’t worry about it :)
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Well I like Britain as a Monarchy
but if we did away with the house of Lords and the Monarchy they would have to be replaced with something (if nothing else parliament would make something new for there fun) any way it would result in more elected people which is very easy manipulated by businesses and of course more expensive than what we got now I’d bet.
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Lol. It only takes a free PC to produce loyal citizens! Argentinia could learn from this! Good for you Zerg.
You mean like distributing free PCs, well they're doing so now, but we're not first world country you know~;) .
Also I don't give a damn about loyalty, and I hope that every single person in this ******* country could learn a little disloyalty, why in hell I want to be loyal to the state?!~D
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The only ones with theoretical temporally indeterminated occupation are the judges (wich is done to ensure impartiality).
Which is what I though.
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No. I'm discussing the ideal burden of it. A man or woman above all others, by the power of God or blood. Now if the consecuences of a procedimental democracy as we live today and those of the monarchy are unwanted, then yes I don't like both.
Well how the burden of supporting the monarchy is gone about is determined by the elected government.
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Well that's truth. In the "democracy" in wich we live it will be the same to elect a head of state, or even a whole parliament by randomness as by voting.
Winston Churchhill had 2 good quotes about this subject.
"Democracy is the worst system of government around, except for all the others."
"The best arguement against democracy is 5 minute conversation with the average voter."
I whole heartedly agree with both.
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The Queen has the same executory powers of a president?~:confused: In wich way you say this?
That depends on the countries who's presidency you are talking about. HRH the Queen has nearly exactly the same constitutional powers as the presidents of Germany, Austria, Italy, and Portugal. That's what I mean. If the UK became a repbulic it would be in the style of those nations not the USA.
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IMO an act of evolution.
A position I don't share, and won't ever.
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That depends on the countries who's presidency you are talking about. HRH the Queen has nearly exactly the same constitutional powers as the presidents of Germany, Austria, Italy, and Portugal. That's what I mean. If the UK became a repbulic it would be in the style of those nations not the USA.
Well then it's not in the style of mine, because the model was almost directly copied from USA.
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A position I don't share, and won't ever.
Never say never.~;)
This is what I'm talking about when I say "ideal burden", I mean is this really necessary? Calling the Queen HRH (wich I suppose is her real highness right?) implies that she's actually above all other people, that she is somewhat, but right of blood or by the name of God, above all others.
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Well then it's not in the style of mine, because the model was almost directly copied from USA.
Exactly, the Queens position is not comperable in any way to the president in an yankee style republic.
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Never say never.~;)
I can, even if Canada became a republic I'd support a restoration movement. ~:cheers:
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This is what I'm talking about when I say "ideal burden", I mean is this really necessary? Calling the Queen HRH (wich I suppose is her real highness right?) implies that she's actually above all other people, that she is somewhat, but right of blood or by the name of God, above all others.
Real=Royal in english (I can't put the accent on the E though ~;) ). It's a traditional title, like her majesty the queen. Used when describing the monarch, or member of the royal family, it doesn't have to be used though. Prince William in fact hates it, makes him feel wierd and on a pedistal. But as the Queen is a head of state she is automatically confered a certain dignity like HRH or HM. Political leaders are accorded similar honourifics. In the british modeled systems it's *insert title like prime minister or cabinet minister* the right honourable *insert name*. Presidents are given similar honours like Mr. President. Also in britain, I believe, you address all judges as my lord. Not sure if we do that or not.
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Excellency or your excellency is used even for diplomats.
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^Exactly, all the modern titles like Sir and Excellency started with titles like your majesty. It's just that a monarch can use those old honourifics.
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Real=Royal in english (I can't put the accent on the E though ~;) ). It's a traditional title, like her majesty the queen. Used when describing the monarch, or member of the royal family, it doesn't have to be used though. Prince William in fact hates it, makes him feel wierd and on a pedistal. But as the Queen is a head of state she is automatically confered a certain dignity like HRH or HM. Political leaders are accorded similar honourifics. In the british modeled systems it's *insert title like prime minister or cabinet minister* the right honourable *insert name*. Presidents are given similar honours like Mr. President. Also in britain, I believe, you address all judges as my lord. Not sure if we do that or not.
Well you got me there...But then again the little prince knows that he's in a pedistal, titles couldn't be less important.
We call the president here many things wich cannot be repeated here, we usually give them surnames, the actual is "biscocho" (I couldn't find the translation in english, it alludes to a condition of the vision, I think it's bipolar vision) or "pingüino". Except for some presidents in ancient times and Perón I don't remember any other treated with respect at all (and notice that I'm even saying respect, not anymore titles). Here they're little more than the average rich man actually.
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You can say the same for political leadership in any country. Our PM Paul Martin is a millionaire, who used to be the head honcho (after bying his way into) of Canada steamship lines. The whole time he was finance minister (8 years) he wa also CEO of the company. And made sure that government plums came it's way. In fact only upon his assention to the leadership of the liberals and the PM office did he turn his corporate powers over to his sons.
