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Yes, I know, the woman can always go to a different pub. Can the Muslims go to an Islamic theme park?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wigferth Ironwall
All power to them. Assimilation is for wimps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wigferth Ironwall
Maybe I am just having a hard time understanding the punchline, but I don't really understand what you mean by 'People like you cause a lot of trouble as well, don't they', maybe I forgot the secret handshake, or perhaps my leather and chrome, but what do you mean by this? 'People like me'? I am just dying to be just as enlightened as you so please make a bigot rot....Quote:
Originally Posted by A.Saturnus
Ohh, I meant nothing. Really nothing, just forget about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
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~:eek: uups, where did that come from? No idea how that picture slipped into my post.
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OMG, something's wrong with my browser!
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No, seriously, I don't mean to say that you're one of "those people" - a violent right extremist (of which we have around 30,000 in Germany). I just made a sweeping generalisation. When you say that "the Muslims" cause a lot of trouble, you make a negative inclusive statement about a lot of people, many of which are quite peaceful. The same type of dangerous generalisation includes you with the people shown above. Not quite fair, is it?
I decided not to reply to this post, then I relented.
An open letter to A. Saturnus.
@A. Saturnus.
That is as close to a personal assassination/attack that I have ever witnessed from a respected and valued member of the .Org, not to mention a senior member of staff.
Whatever Fragonys faults, he is prepared to speak up for himself and his 'take on life'. Wether you agree or not, he has (by and large) adhered to the rules of the forum.
No amount of wrongs make a right. No matter how disguised.
I remain, Sir, your obedient servant,
InsaneApache
Of course he did. But if there's guilt by association, it can happen to him too.Quote:
Originally Posted by InsaneApache
Didn't I make clear enough that I don't think that Fragony deserves to be put in a line with such people? The wrongness of that is my whole point! The same dangerous generalisation that makes out of all Moslims fundamentalists can make fascist murderers out of all right-wingers.
My post was a counter-example, not a personal attack.
Semantics my dear Sir, Semantics.
There is a concept of the 'spirit' of the law, I suggest, Sir, that you broke that spirit with your post.
So you're saying the difference between a counter-example and a personal attack is purely sematical. Now I have to beg to differ. Let me make this entirely clear:
I am not saying Fragony is a fascist. I vehemently oppose that notion.
So what precisely is the content of the supposed personal attack?
Apache, this answers your concerns about Saturnus' post (from the very same post).this is fairly tame and common backroom posting. a simple counter-example that turns the spot light around 180 degrees. what's the deal?Quote:
Originally Posted by A.Saturnus
Yeah, assimilation is for wimps but moving to a country and then deciding you don't like the culture and trying to make it like back home, which you left, is for hypocrits.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoreBag
Thats the crux of the problem. You live here you live with us and if there's any changing to be done its at your end.
If someone wants to come round my house, knowing I slaughter sheep, complains when I serve him the lamb I killed last week I'll show him the door. If he's a vegetarian and I know this I'll cook him something appropriate but I'm still going to eat meat.
A lot of Muslims come to England and complain about it being English. If I really didn't like French people I wouldn't go to Paris on holiday.
Thats how I feel.
It's for everyone. You'll notice that places like the Congo and Vietnam still maintain a strong French language presence, and the entirety of the Americas is no longer native American. Some Europeans show up, make things more properly European, blah blah blah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wigferth Ironwall
And it's hardly like people left Pakistan or Iraq because they didn't like the culture. More like they didn't like the socioeconomic issues in those areas and decided not to have a miserable life. So what if they come to England? Do they need to be English, even though they're not and will never be? No. This is the individual saying "Sucks to your ass-mar. I'm making my corner of the globe my own."
And..are you saying that you're okay with it if a man who is a vegetarian doesn't want a piece of your dead animal, but you're not if it's a Muslim who declines?
Painting with a broad brush is useful. However it can and does lead to misinterpretations of a message.
It is a good rule of thumb to replace any groups in a message with ones that you associate with and see if the post then looks offensive. If you fail to do so others might and in turn you may feel poorly.Quote:
Posts containing any generally objectionable material: knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law. Posting of copyrighted material, unless the copyright is owned by you or by The Guild, is discouraged. The Guild expects its patrons to remain civil even in the face of disagreements. Any kind of "flaming", slurs or insults adressed to an individual or a group is extremely inappropriate. Please respect etiquette at all times.
Don't inflame the situation. Revisit your orginal post and see if it can be misinterpreted. If it wasn't what you meant edit it to something that isn't inflaming.
Play nicely and if you do have an issue, PM the mods. Sometimes we will proactively act on an issue, however a lot of the time we do not either see the post, fail to realise the objectionable context or decide to let it ride as it is not quite explicit enough, or for many other reasons.
Where possible treat things with a bit of tongue in cheek humour.
I don't especially want to draw further attention to a very unfortunate post on an earlier page, but as I slightly regret having played any part in this thread, can we just put it on record that a British serviceman killed in the line of duty wearing his British battledress deserves our respect and his family our sympathy. The idea that someone like that is "not british" because of his religion is absolutely as bad as a muslim thinking the 7/7 bombings were justified.
If you have no idea what I am talking about then lucky you and I recommend you do NOT waste time reading back into the thread to find out.
Thank you for your time.
Absolutely correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by English assassin
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Originally Posted by English assassin
Well im afraid my opinions just disagree with yours,w e could argue for days but whats the use, each to their own...
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Originally Posted by Wigferth Ironwall
Have you visited the south coast of Spain or the Balearics recently? :inquisitive:
Ex-pats are notorious for nostalgia of the 'old country'. It's nothing new, and nothing to be frightened of.
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Originally Posted by King Ragnar
Yeah, well I'd expect a muslim to challenge a fellow muslim who supported sharia law or separatism, so I'm returning the favour by telling you you are completely out of line. Once you've signed up in the army and caught a bullet for the country yourself then you can slag off Lance Corporal Hashmi, until then I'd keep your views to yourself. Its people like him that keep people like you safe in their beds.
I would love to die for the country infact i would happily sign up today, but id rather continue studying what i love ( history), i even wish national service was still around because i would be very happy to go and do it, and he hardly has hardly kept me safe in bed because he is fighting a war that is on the other side of the world and that i dont care about who is being hurt in some middle eastern country as long as its not our brave boys.Quote:
Originally Posted by English assassin
I may have been a bit harsh on what i said but its what i believe since the bombings of 2001 and then the 7/7 bombings have just fueled my disgust, such things as beaheadings of charity workers have also fueled my rage.
Any man who joins the army deserves all the respect int he world but i still do not see this man as a 'British' soldier.
The fact remains that he was a British soldier in the British Army and died in the line of duty.Quote:
Originally Posted by King Ragnar
And that still doesnt change my opinion, its just like the sons or daughters of immigrants are called British Asian or British Muslims or whatever, idont see them as 'British'.
I agree, anyone who doesn't have purely celtish ancestroy shouldn't threat the country like they own it. They're just living there for a while and should return to their country of origin...
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Your first paragraph indicates a fantasy view of what the services are.Quote:
Originally Posted by King Ragnar
However, the sentence quoted above bears examination.
I'm Irish. Nonetheless, because of traditional arrangements between your country and mine, I served as a Captain of Royal Artillery in the 1980's. Some of my countrymen at that time were trying to bomb their ways to achieving their political aims. As a Catholic Irishman, I spent some small time dodging their bullets and bombs and hatred in Ulster alongside my British colleagues.
I wonder if I count as being worthy of your praise or dismissal? (Not that either actually matters to anyone, I'm just trying to see if there is any thought process behind your rhetoric).
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Oh, by the way, the country I think you are referring to in your Location tag is spelt 'Britain' not 'Britian'. Though given your views, perhaps you do live in a parallel but disturbingly familiar place.
I cant even be botherd to argue this anymore my opinion is that this man in my view was not British, end of so what if you see different, we would just constantly argue, accept that my opinion differs from yours.
And thank you for noting the spelling mistake, its corrected now.
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Originally Posted by King Ragnar
This kind of attitude is why many British Muslims simply cannot "integrate". One one hand they're told they're not considered British even if they join the armed forces, while on the other they're told to "integrate" and conform to British cultural ideals. This is only the typical contradictory anti-immigration rhetoric.Quote:
Originally Posted by King Ragnar
I wouldnt want them to intergrate i want them to leave the country, its come to the point now that im happy that i dont live any further south than i do and thank lord i dont live in a large city, because its just immigrant after immigrant.
The majority dont want to intergrate anyway, take for instance why this thread was started and why 13% say the 7/7 bombings were justified, how can they get away with saying such things,any of them who say that should be deported immediatley.
I thought you'd gone away?Quote:
Originally Posted by King Ragnar
*hugs Ghost* ahhhhh you silly paddy~D, i just rested my case on the muslim soldier not the whole thread on muslims intergrating :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost
Oh good. You have filled the gaping hole in my life left by the silence of the creationists. :knuddel:Quote:
Originally Posted by King Ragnar
Sadly, I have to do some work now, so I shall be back later to taunt you a second time...
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Well you have already had the spelling checked.Quote:
Originally Posted by King Ragnar
Since when is 13% of a poll a majority?