Interficio quod Scrupulosa [Concluded]

Once again it's a tie which doesn't surprise me considering who is standing on trial. Reading through Reenk Roinks lenghty posts defending his decisions they are the same as my initial reason. It looked like Kommodus was creating a situation where the town would never benefit from his survival. Although he has cleared some of that up, I still remain suspicious of him. Having him lynched this early only helps the Rebels, so my intention was never to place the final vote on him, because that would have just been stupid.
However he's not off my radar and I intend to pick up his case in the later rounds if I survive this round.
So Sasaki Kojiro, if you want the person to live that will help you kick off Kommodus later you're definitely lynching the wrong guy, because Reenk Roink has said that he understands Kommodus reasons and is not as suspicious of him anymore.

I have said before that the first round will have the highest chance of lynching an innocent, but it is something that has to happen. This is particulary depressing as JimBob has voted the second time against me just to create a tie. To think that we'll get by without a lynch is an illusion. It's how the game works: The Mafia kills, the Town lynches.

It's sad to see that Peasant Phill votes for me because he doesn't think I'm helpful for the Senate. Well this is my first game of this kind and I'm trying my best. Just rest assured that dead or alive I'll try to hunt down the Rebels amongst us.

If push comes to shove and there's still a tie at noon I will redirect my vote. Sir Moody has said that he would probably kill us both if the tie is extended. Now lynching one innocent is to be suspected, but loosing two innocents is cleary a loss for the Senate and thus a gain for the Rebels.

Wait and see...

Looks like my appeal came a bit too late. So before Sir Moody kills two innocents I have to intervene:

Unvote: Reenk Roink
Vote: Abstain

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Originally Posted by Ituralde

It's sad to see that Peasant Phill votes for me because he doesn't think I'm helpful for the Senate. Well this is my first game of this kind and I'm trying my best. Just rest assured that dead or alive I'll try to hunt down the Rebels amongst us.

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Drama, drama.
I didn't say you wouldn't be helpful, I said that I thought Reenk Roink would be more helpful. You're a great unknown as somebody here already said.

Voting Closed - results will be up shortly

The floor grows quiet and csar stands. "Well it appears you dithering old fools have finally come to a consensus - and only then by Noble Ituralde sacrificing himself, I hope you are all ashamed that such a noble man would throw himself on his own sword in the name of justice! I herby announce that the method of 'punishment' will be noble Suicide so that Ituralde can die with honour." A guard hands Csar a Gladius which he promptly accepts and hands too Ituralde. "Any last words my friend?”. Ituralde pauses as though thinking and then nods "To Justice!" and plunges the sword into his stomach and collapses dead. Csar wipes a tear from his eye and proclaims "In Honour of our fallen comrade I declare this meeting adjourned until tomorrow let us hope we have caught a Rebel although I very much doubt it!"

Votes
Ituralde = 4 (Sasaki Kojiro, Xiahou, Jimbob, Peasant Phill)
Reenk Roink = 3 (Kommodus, Aggony Duck, Doc_bean)
Adstain = 7 (Reenk Roink, Craterus, Caius Flaminius, General hankerchief, Proletariant, Ituralde, Don C)

Alive
Sasaki Kojiro
Don Corleone
Kagemusha
Kommodus
Destroyer of Hope
Caius Flaminius
Csar
GeneralHankerchief
doc_bean
Craterus
Reenk Roink
Xiahou
Peasant Phill
AggonyDuck
Proletariat
Dutch_guy
JimBob

Dead
Crazed Rabbit
Masy

Executed
Ituralde

Night phase begins PM's Please - Next day will begin at around noon Tommorow

EDIT
sorry all i missed Don C's Abstain no change on the lynch tho but added for future reference to who voted

Ituralde, nooooooo... ~:mecry:

I was convinced of your innocence, and I wanted you to live to play more. It's rough to be the first to get lynched when it's your first game. It's happened before, unfortunately. Don't let it get you down. I'll be starting a game of my own sometime in January and would love for you to be a part of it.

I personally apologize for being one of the two who cast a vote to get you into the tie-breaker. It was a mistake. :shame:

You will be avenged, if I have any say in the matter.

Kommodus is acting differently. He admits this. This gives us two possibilities:

A) He is mafia
B) He is town acting weird

Now, say we leave him alive. In the case of B, he helps us find mafia. In the case of A, WE LOSE. It's not advantageous to leave him alive, we can't trust him at all unless he's been killed by the mafia anyway. He must by lynched.


And sorry about that Ituralde, I'd have changed if I'd come back in time.

Addressed to the Senators: :stupido:

Look at how strife laden this very first night has been. I mocked the rebel slaves for their impotence and effete cowardice, but the senate itself is clearly paranoid because of them and filled with treachery! :stare:

You forced the issue between two good Romans, or perhaps, even both of them! :stare:

Now, one is dead, and you have no one but yourselves to blame. The pansy rebel slaves are not responsible for this recent madness! :stare:

Rome needs Reenkaficsio as emperor! :yes:

As desiring I am and deserving you are of my continued beration, I must turn the floor to more pressing issues:

We must act quickly to crush these rebel slaves.

Praetor, please investigate Kommodus if you have not done so. Although his clarification removes the "best to lynch" clause of my argument, he still remains the most suspicious member of the Senate. If you find compelling evidence tying him with the rebel slaves, bring it to the senate floor immediately!

We should give the Praetor up to third night to come with news. If he does not, then we can plausibly assume that he has gotten a chance to investigate Kommodus and he is innocent. Again, this is not certain, as Praetor's in the past have been less than reliable and prone to corruption, but then again, nothing is absolutely certain.

Kommodus is an enigma to us. We must make sure that he does not harm us, and we should try to have him maximize utility for us as well!

Reenkaficsio moves to personally oversee the planning of the execution should it happen.

He already has a great idea :idea::

We put a oil soaked Kommodus up on a crucifix in the middle of an arena. The 13 lions circling around him will then devour his children in front of his eyes to increase their bloodlust for him. After that deed is done, the lions will be released to attack Kommodus while at the same time, he is ignited, as we do not want those expensive imported lions to suffer food poisoning eating uncooked Kommodus.

Addressed to the noble Senator Ituralde: :stupido:

My good man, you are a true blooded Roman. You acted decisively, as I did in the beginning to push the case against Kommodus.

I don not know why you abstained afterward, but I understand that the pressure was on you, and you had to think for your family. It is fitting that a Roman respect familial bonds.

Your vote for me is pardoned completely, I again understand that family is first.

Still, your noble act of sacrifice shall not be forgotten. I shall make sure to take care of your estate and family, and have you immortalized with statues and games! My third son will be named after you. :bow: I am proud to say I never was unjust to this great man and to myself by voting for him.

I cannot help but wonder if you had just kept your vote for Kommodus in the first place, this would have never happened.

But then again, I am to blame as well...

If only I had left my concubine's side to cast my vote before closing in the first place... :shame:

I disagree, we should just lynch Kommodus and leave the Praetor to find the 2nd mafioso.

I'm not so convinced over Kommodus guilt. I believe if he was a rebel then he would propably not have posted it. It pretty much effectively dooms him in the end, because it will bring upon him suspicion and unless a Praetor cleans his name he ends up being a big suspect until the end. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but usually the last thing a rebel/mafioso wants is attention in the first rounds, especially attention like this that really doesn't serve to further his cause.

But on the other hand if Kommodus was the Praetor things would suddenly make sense. He would be afraid of being targeted by the mafia early on and thus to buy time make himself a highly suspicious post asking the rebels not to kill him. It would make sense to a degree.

Anyway currently the game seems like a lottery as does the start of every mafia game. We'll just have to proceed on and eventually we should start to get a proper feel of the game and the different senators.

Oh Sasaki, once again you are so tragically, tragically wrong about me. It's Ok though, I still love you anyway. ~:grouphug:

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

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Originally Posted by Kommodus

Reenk (and Sasaki), I knew that everything I was saying was very suspicious. Do either of you really think I'm that dumb?

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It's entirely possible.

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Um, no.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

The fact that what was presented as a serious statement is now merely an "experiment" suggests that you didn't realize people would think it was suspicious. You're sound surprised, therefore this reaction was not expected so it wouldn't have been "dumb" as mafia.

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It was both a serious statement and an experiment. The promises I made, both to the rebels and to the senators, remain true.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

I disagree, we should just lynch Kommodus and leave the Praetor to find the 2nd mafioso.

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~:rolleyes:

Do it if you want to, I guess. It's been a while since the mafia have pulled off a win.

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Originally Posted by AggonyDuck

I'm not so convinced over Kommodus guilt. I believe if he was a rebel then he would propably not have posted it. It pretty much effectively dooms him in the end, because it will bring upon him suspicion and unless a Praetor cleans his name he ends up being a big suspect until the end. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but usually the last thing a rebel/mafioso wants is attention in the first rounds, especially attention like this that really doesn't serve to further his cause.

But on the other hand if Kommodus was the Praetor things would suddenly make sense. He would be afraid of being targeted by the mafia early on and thus to buy time make himself a highly suspicious post asking the rebels not to kill him. It would make sense to a degree.

Anyway currently the game seems like a lottery as does the start of every mafia game. We'll just have to proceed on and eventually we should start to get a proper feel of the game and the different senators.

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It's not a good idea to draw attention to yourself if you are the praetor either. But what makes you think he knew that post would draw attention? He seems surprised, therefore he didn't know it would draw attention. It's more likely he intended that post to be a "this is why I'm still alive" thing.


And Kommodus, I didn't think you were mafia in TGF2. I just said you were a good lynch.

Jeez, thats twice now I have been killed in the first round. Pick on someone else next time please? I have just recovered from a bad spate of flu, and was hoping to cheer myself up with a bit of light hearted mind gaming...

Say, Sir Moody, are we allowed to participate once dead in this one (what with it being a historical version and all)? Cos these slaves have really upset me. :thumbsdown:

yes you can speak from the grave - the romans had many priests who "claimed" they could speak for the dead so no reason why you cant its up to you

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

But what makes you think he knew that post would draw attention? He seems surprised, therefore he didn't know it would draw attention. It's more likely he intended that post to be a "this is why I'm still alive" thing.

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Er... that's a joke, right? :inquisitive:

Maybe I should quote myself here (this is from my original speech):

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Originally Posted by Kommodus

Now, I know how this post will be interpreted by my fellow townspeople/regular senators. "Oh," you'll think, "he's just trying to provide himself a good cover/alibi. He knows we'll suspect him when he stays alive for an unusually long period of time."

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Yeah, Sasaki, your keen "insight" really caught me off guard there. I thought no one would notice I'd even said anything. How on earth did you figure me out? :dizzy2:

The only thing I found mildly surprising was that everyone became totally fixated on it, at the expense of talking about anything else. That's not what I had in mind originally, since it doesn't help the senate.

Thus you have two choices:

1. Lynch me. You waste a lynch on an innocent person and lose any help I might've given you, but hey, at least you get rid of someone Sasaki can't trust.

2. Let me live and pursue other leads. The rebels will eventually kill me, but my methods will almost certainly identify them and we'll win.

Time to choose.

Sure did good to hear your condolence about my death, but there really are no hard feelings. An innocent gets lynched in most Mafia games after the first day and it might as well be me. We had a lot of discussion because of it and that's always good for the game.

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Originally Posted by Peasant Phill

Drama, drama.
I didn't say you wouldn't be helpful, I said that I thought Reenk Roink would be more helpful. You're a great unknown as somebody here already said.

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Couldn't resist to get a little bit cheesy there. :beam:



Instead of focusing on Kommodus again next round I would have cast my vote to one of the people that haven't contributed much in the past to get a statement out of them. Maybe Sigurd, although his chances for getting WoGed are pretty high.

While Kommodus remains susect there really is no good reason for lynching him yet. Why get him on the bad side of the Senate if you don't have to. Just let him surviev one or two more rounds and then finish him. I totally agree that he's too suspicious to be left alive in the end game, but that's probably true for most of you. :yes:


That's all I've got to say from the grave before the next killing. Thanks to Csar for letting me die honourably, I'm sure Senator Ituralde would not have wanted to go any other way. :2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Reenk Roink

Addressed to the Senators: :stupido:
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Rome needs Reenkaficsio as emperor! :yes:
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He already has a great idea :idea::

We put a oil soaked Kommodus up on a crucifix in the middle of an arena. The 13 lions circling around him will then devour his children in front of his eyes to increase their bloodlust for him. After that deed is done, the lions will be released to attack Kommodus while at the same time, he is ignited, as we do not want those expensive imported lions to suffer food poisoning eating uncooked Kommodus.

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Is this a joke?:inquisitive:

A cold wind blows through the temple, and a voice is heard...

"Curse the underworld, which is woefully short of fresh carrots! Also, were I Praetor, I would investigate Sasaki and Kommodus...

Then the voice is gone, and a half eaten carrot remains on the floor.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

It's not a good idea to draw attention to yourself if you are the praetor either. But what makes you think he knew that post would draw attention? He seems surprised, therefore he didn't know it would draw attention. It's more likely he intended that post to be a "this is why I'm still alive" thing.

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You might be correct. I've never had a gift for logical reasoning really, atleast in mafia games. Somehow this is a game where logic sometimes misleads you, while a gut feeling might be correct again.

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Originally Posted by AggonyDuck

You might be correct. I've never had a gift for logical reasoning really, atleast in mafia games. Somehow this is a game where logic sometimes misleads you, while a gut feeling might be correct again.

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So, what does your Mighty Gut (tm) tell you about me?

It's a bit early to make any decisions based on gut yet. I first need to develop a feel for the game and everyone's behaviour. My logic is saying no about you being mafia, but my gut is yet undecided. Might need atleast three or four rounds to get a proper feel.

EDIT: Even then I don't think my gut is as reliable as I sometimes tend to believe that it is.

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Originally Posted by Kommodus

Er... that's a joke, right? :inquisitive:

Maybe I should quote myself here (this is from my original speech):



Yeah, Sasaki, your keen "insight" really caught me off guard there. I thought no one would notice I'd even said anything. How on earth did you figure me out? :dizzy2:

The only thing I found mildly surprising was that everyone became totally fixated on it, at the expense of talking about anything else. That's not what I had in mind originally, since it doesn't help the senate.

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Dude, you said that because you were trying to give an alibi. Just because you realized your post might be viewed that way doesn't mean it wasn't intended that way. In fact providing excuses before the fact is a common mafia tell.


BUT we can't ignore the rest of the town in this debate. Surely you see you're no help to the town now unless you are killed though.

Are we voting again? I thought there was another round of kills first....

If Kommodus had made his big pronouncement, then disappeared, I'd be tempted to think of him as guilty. But he's actually been pretty active, and he's explained himself pretty well. After he did that, his original post doesn't come off as all that extreme. And like he said, the game becomes an elaborte tic-tac-toe if you don't mix it up periodically.

I'm actually way more interested in what's going on in the Hall of Silence. We had a pretty dramatic first vote, and a bunch of folks couldn't be bothered to say boo. Any chance we could nudge a few folks into actually saying something?

Umm since I'm innocent can the Praetor PM me who he's investigating.

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

Are we voting again?

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I am asking the same question.
Some senators arent active.Do I a list of these people such as slaves?Maybe they will respond if they are acussated.

and one more thing.I think the 3 senators, Masy, "the Crazed Rabbit" and Ituralde,wll, they are dead, but what about asking they what they think about this enigma?

Dutch_guy 3
Crazed Rabbit 3 :thumbsdown:
Destroyer of Hope 3
Proletariat 2
Masy 2 :thumbsdown:
Sigurd Fafnesbane 1

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Originally Posted by Csar

Dutch_guy 3
Crazed Rabbit 3 :thumbsdown:
Destroyer of Hope 3
Proletariat 2
Masy 2 :thumbsdown:
Sigurd Fafnesbane 1

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What are this numbers?

number of posts - and no csar the praetor shouldnt pm you he/she is only allowed to reveal to all at once - even you

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Originally Posted by Kommodus

So, what does your Mighty Gut (tm) tell you about me?

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My gut tells me that your a big, guilty poop who is a pain to expel... :laugh4:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Just kidding of course, though you do need to be investigated. :bow:

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Originally Posted by Caius Flaminius

What are this numbers?

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Lurkers my friend, Lurkers