Although increadibly tasteless and perhaps borderline racist, I found that increadibly funny.:help:
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Although increadibly tasteless and perhaps borderline racist, I found that increadibly funny.:help:
Perhaps? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bopa the Magyar
THANK YOU AMERICA!
and off to bed - it's 7:30am here...
Ok, it was racist, but tbh I am not sure whether or not he is being serious:dizzy2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Koga No Goshi
I will say that it will be nice to be off the defensive. It's always easier to complain and criticize than to have to try and get things done. I predict the honeymoon won't even last 100 days... Carter anyone?
PJ - if you think Obama is a 'Carter' you have underestimated him.
SO, as Indiana is called for Obama by 1% - damn I said he would win by 2 at the start of all this - I am going to go to bed.
7.15 am up all night, well worth it.
Woot, woot.
:bow: to the USA!
Anyone thought Obama was walking into a honeymoon? In seriousness Panzer, this whole "he thinks he's Messiah and his supporters do too" thing was pure pundit/Fox koolaid. Obama has never said anything would be easy or quick nor do I think Dems in general think "woohoo the country is now our playdough fun factory." This was like inheriting someone's mansion, with the caveat that the yard is full of radioactive waste and you have to clean it up yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger
Don't you mean misunderestimated? :)Quote:
PJ - if you think Obama is a 'Carter' you are have underestimated him.
He, even more than the vast majority of his own party, understood that the moment of change was not 2040, when our demographics will have shifted, but now. The white males, whose vote told all in presidential elections from 1792 to 2004 are no longer the key vote. Crafting an entirely new coalition from under 25s, blacks and hispanics -- augmented by our traditional "left" -- Barack Obama is effecting a sea-change in U.S. politics.
This is what i was referring to with my reegan comment, not the margin of victory... which is highly impressive, but a sea change in american politics... and about damn time
McCain's speech was great! so gracious in defeat, i gained alot of respect for him off that speech and his silencing off the boo's, I too am deeply upset that it had to be mccain that was defeated by obama, almost any other member of the gop and really wouldn't give a damn, but mccain despite his campaign is something a bit different...
I really really hope Obama can include him in his goverment, mccain deserves nothing less
Don im glad the kool aid has worn off slightly... Ill admit i cant now this, but do you really think obama will make the middle classes (im thinking around your income) homeless ? even if there where some greater idealogical goal driving him the simple bad politics of such a move, will mean he will not... Redleg's post in the old election thread probably summed the situation up quite well..
A great day for american politics!
Im about to write a very long post on all the reasons this is so great.... the anticipation is killing you already ?
Well, let's hope he's a good president.
And I still hope Rossi is elected. Oh, please give me at least that.
CR
Edit: xkcd brings us inside the homes of CA and Lemur:
https://img393.imageshack.us/img393/558/electionwh0.png
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
TBH... that's entirely true.
I have to say it.
HOW IN THE HELL IS SENATOR TUBES STEVENS STILL WINNING!?!?!
Congratulations to US for getting a new president. Hopefully all the neocons and their unilateralistic policies will be thrown in the garbage and the new US government will turn the country back to US into the US, which the rest of the world has become used to know and love. Hopefully this change will also remedy the trans atlantic relations so US and EU can work together to fight off the world wide depression and any other threats glooming in the horizon. Hopefully this will mean real change.:yes:
Well, despite the charges against him he's still a respected figure there. Plus the "Palin effect" probably has something to do with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
But when he uses "May God continue to bless...", he also pretends to know God's will, namely God's will in the past, since by using "continue to bless", he implies that God is blessing America now and has been blessing it in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
I think the correct version should be "May God bless the United States of America".
:coffeenews:
Well, were I in Alaska, I'd probably vote for him with the knowledge/hope that once he goes to jail and resigns, Palin will get to appoint his replacement. :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
I just... am so amazed that anyone could vote for a man who is a convicted felon... I mean... seriously... it boggles my mind...
Congrats to America on your new president..
and a deep thank you for keeping that woman out of the oval office....you can actually hear the world give a sigh of relief.
Can you explain to a Brit?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
Washington is full of people who have distinct ideas about how to win an election and about how things should be done. Chicago on the other hand, is underutilised by campaigns as it has a lot of very highly educated professionals (lawyers, etc) who can give a fresh perspective on things. Plus it borders on Indiana, which apparently helped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
If Stevens wins and then resigns, Palin could appoint herself as his replacement, correct?
Whilly stunningly Machiavellian, I could see it happening.
As for electing convicted felons: I give you a local Massachusetts folk hero:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Michael_Curley
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
He was a corrupt politician, but he was their corrupt politician. I'm sure the same thinking applies in Alaska.
Yeah baby! :sunny:
God bless the United States of America!
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...ericanflag.jpg
The "magic 60" refers to a filibuster-proof majority of 60 Senate seats and would virtually prevent the minority opposition party from blocking legislation on the Senate floor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
Definition of filibuster: The legislative tactic of delaying a vote on a controversial matter through protracted debate. A tool occasionally used by the minority party in the US Senate where unlimited debate can be ended only by a successful cloture vote.
Not putting words into Lemur's mouth, but what he means is that he'd rather not see the Democratic Party majority have unopposed power to ramrod their agenda through the House & Senate without having to "reach across the aisle" to the Republican Party minority. Legislate by consensus and deference, not by fiat.
I agree with Lem. This kind of legislative dominance really brings out the dark side of political human nature and partisanship.
GLAD TO SEE YOU BEIRUT!!!
You too, Hosa. :sunny:
Couldn't pass the day without a hello to my American friends on this incredible day.
Excelsior! I think the whole world is happy today. :balloon3:
I concur. Congratulations to the Democrats, commiserations to the GOP. Fascinating to follow from the 'right' side of the pond. :disguise:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beirut
BTW. Nice to see you around Beirut. You've been missed.
Yeah IA said it. I hope your life is shaping up as you have wanted.Quote:
Originally Posted by InsaneApache
Ahh my favourite middle eastern place, your wit and intelligence has been greatly missed!
well, obama is our new president.
now i wonder if ill keep my job.......
(the buisness i work for is one of those "big" small buisnesses that obama promised to raise taxes on.
but now, IMO, obama built himself up so high and promised so much, i dont think half of what he said will be carried out.
anyhow, obamaran a great campaign and i congradulate him and his supporters. may the next 4 years be prosperous for everyone.
Hey Beirut, wonderful to see you popping by. You have been hugely missed. :bow:
So I was wondering, what exactly happens next? Am I right in thinking that although the election is over, Obama will not actually be in power until he is sworn in in January, so the next two months all he will be doing is to decide what he will do once he does take power?
I.e., if there is a big crisis in the next month, it will still be Bush's job to deal with it, not Obama's?
Apologies if these are silly questions, it's just that in the UK power changes hands quite quickly after an election so it seems a bit odd that in the US there is a two-month delay; I wasn't sure whether this is purely a ceremonial thing and Obama, although not technically President yet, has actual control between now and January.
And as others have said, it is great to see you again Beirut.:beam:
Nice to see the friendly, neighborhood lumberjack. Welcome back Beirut, even if only for a moment! :sunny:
At least the election is over. Now I won't be harassed daily by Obama people asking me if I have voted or who i am voting for on the way to work.
Oh yeah, glad the marijuana thing passed in Michigan. One more state thumbing their noses at the Feds.
An interesting take over at Beliefnet:
- The modern conservative movement began with the crushing defeat of Arizona Sen. Barry Goldwater in the 1964 presidential race. The modern conservative movement ends with the crushing defeat of Arizona Sen. John McCain -- who took Goldwater's Senate seat upon his retirement -- in the 2008 presidential race.
- Modern liberalism began its implosion with riots in Chicago's Grant Park at the 1968 Democratic Convention. Tonight, modern liberalism is reborn at Chicago's Grant Park, where a black Chicago Democrat will celebrate winning the presidency.
Well, they aren't thumbing their nose at the feds anymore :balloon2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kush
Interesting tidbits:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/167581
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* The Obama campaign was provided with reports from the Secret Service showing a sharp and disturbing increase in threats to Obama in September and early October, at the same time that many crowds at Palin rallies became more frenzied. Michelle Obama was shaken by the vituperative crowds and the hot rhetoric from the GOP candidates. "Why would they try to make people hate us?" Michelle asked a top campaign aide.
* On the Sunday night before the last debate, McCain's core group of advisers—Steve Schmidt, Rick Davis, adman Fred Davis, strategist Greg Strimple, pollster Bill McInturff and strategy director Sarah Simmons—met to decide whether to tell McCain that the race was effectively over, that he no longer had a chance to win. The consensus in the room was no, not yet, not while he still had "a pulse."
* The Obama campaign's New Media experts created a computer program that would allow a "flusher"—the term for a volunteer who rounds up nonvoters on Election Day—to know exactly who had, and had not, voted in real time. They dubbed it Project Houdini, because of the way names disappear off the list instantly once people are identified as they wait in line at their local polling station.
* Palin launched her attack on Obama's association with William Ayers, the former Weather Underground bomber, before the campaign had finalized a plan to raise the issue. McCain's advisers were working on a strategy that they hoped to unveil the following week, but McCain had not signed off on it, and top adviser Mark Salter was resisting.
* McCain also was reluctant to use Obama's incendiary pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, as a campaign issue. The Republican had set firm boundaries: no Jeremiah Wright; no attacking Michelle Obama; no attacking Obama for not serving in the military. McCain balked at an ad using images of children that suggested that Obama might not protect them from terrorism. Schmidt vetoed ads suggesting that Obama was soft on crime (no Willie Hortons). And before word even got to McCain, Schmidt and Salter scuttled a "celebrity" ad of Obama dancing with talk-show host Ellen DeGeneres (the sight of a black man dancing with a lesbian was deemed too provocative).
* Obama was never inclined to choose Sen. Hillary Clinton as his running mate, not so much because she had been his sometime bitter rival on the campaign trail, but because of her husband. Still, as Hillary's name came up in veep discussions, and Obama's advisers gave all the reasons why she should be kept off the ticket, Obama would stop and ask, "Are we sure?" He needed to be convinced one more time that the Clintons would do more harm than good. McCain, on the other hand, was relieved to face Sen. Joe Biden as the veep choice, and not Hillary Clinton, whom the McCain camp had truly feared.
* McCain was dumbfounded when Congressman John Lewis, a civil-rights hero, issued a press release comparing the GOP nominee with former Alabama governor George Wallace, a segregationist infamous for stirring racial fears. McCain had devoted a chapter to Lewis in one of his books, "Why Courage Matters," and had so admired Lewis that he had once taken his children to meet him.
* On the night she officially lost the Democratic nomination, Hillary Clinton enjoyed a long and friendly phone conversation with McCain. Clinton was actually on better terms with McCain than she was with Obama. Clinton and McCain had downed shots together on Senate junkets; they regarded each other as grizzled veterans of the political wars and shared a certain disdain for Obama as flashy and callow.
* At the GOP convention in St. Paul, Palin was completely unfazed by the boys' club fraternity she had just joined. One night, Steve Schmidt and Mark Salter went to her hotel room to brief her. After a minute, Palin sailed into the room wearing nothing but a towel, with another on her wet hair. She told them to chat with her laconic husband, Todd. "I'll be just a minute," she said.
* The debates unnerved both candidates. When he was preparing for them during the Democratic primaries, Obama was recorded saying, "I don't consider this to be a good format for me, which makes me more cautious. I often find myself trapped by the questions and thinking to myself, 'You know, this is a stupid question, but let me … answer it.' So when Brian Williams is asking me about what's a personal thing that you've done [that's green], and I say, you know, 'Well, I planted a bunch of trees.' And he says, 'I'm talking about personal.' What I'm thinking in my head is, 'Well, the truth is, Brian, we can't solve global warming because I -------- changed light bulbs in my house. It's because of something collective'."
The computer systems of both the Obama and McCain campaigns were victims of a sophisticated cyberattack by an unknown "foreign entity," prompting a federal investigation, NEWSWEEK reports today.
At the Obama headquarters in midsummer, technology experts detected what they initially thought was a computer virus—a case of "phishing," a form of hacking often employed to steal passwords or credit-card numbers. But by the next day, both the FBI and the Secret Service came to the campaign with an ominous warning: "You have a problem way bigger than what you understand," an agent told Obama's team. "You have been compromised, and a serious amount of files have been loaded off your system." The following day, Obama campaign chief David Plouffe heard from White House chief of staff Josh Bolten, to the same effect: "You have a real problem ... and you have to deal with it." The Feds told Obama's aides in late August that the McCain campaign's computer system had been similarly compromised. A top McCain official confirmed to NEWSWEEK that the campaign's computer system had been hacked and that the FBI had become involved.
Officials at the FBI and the White House told the Obama campaign that they believed a foreign entity or organization sought to gather information on the evolution of both camps' policy positions—information that might be useful in negotiations with a future administration. The Feds assured the Obama team that it had not been hacked by its political opponents. (Obama technical experts later speculated that the hackers were Russian or Chinese.) A security firm retained by the Obama campaign took steps to secure its computer system and end the intrusion. White House and FBI officials had no comment earlier this week.
NEWSWEEK has also learned that Palin's shopping spree at high-end department stores was more extensive than previously reported. While publicly supporting Palin, McCain's top advisers privately fumed at what they regarded as her outrageous profligacy. One senior aide said that Nicolle Wallace had told Palin to buy three suits for the convention and hire a stylist. But instead, the vice presidential nominee began buying for herself and her family—clothes and accessories from top stores such as Saks Fifth Avenue and Neiman Marcus. According to two knowledgeable sources, a vast majority of the clothes were bought by a wealthy donor, who was shocked when he got the bill. Palin also used low-level staffers to buy some of the clothes on their credit cards. The McCain campaign found out last week when the aides sought reimbursement. One aide estimated that she spent "tens of thousands" more than the reported $150,000, and that $20,000 to $40,000 went to buy clothes for her husband. Some articles of clothing have apparently been lost. An angry aide characterized the shopping spree as "Wasilla hillbillies looting Neiman Marcus from coast to coast," and said the truth will eventually come out when the Republican Party audits its books.
A Palin aide said: "Governor Palin was not directing staffers to put anything on their personal credit cards, and anything that staffers put on their credit cards has been reimbursed, like an expense. Nasty and false accusations following a defeat say more about the person who made them than they do about Governor Palin."
McCain himself rarely spoke to Palin during the campaign, and aides kept him in the dark about the details of her spending on clothes because they were sure he would be offended. Palin asked to speak along with McCain at his Arizona concession speech Tuesday night, but campaign strategist Steve Schmidt vetoed the request.
Good to see you again, Beirut :sunny:
Nice to hear from you tree-killer!Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Bloody Infantry
PBI, you are correct to wonder. Technically, President-Elect Obama was not elected last night. US citizens chose a massive slate of electors who are committed to vote for Obama in the College of Electors. This College will meet in December and cast the actual votes that will name Barack H. Obama President of the USA. However, that vote will not be certified until 6 January 2009 as -- mandated by the Constitution -- the first item of business for the new Congress. Only then will Obama have been elected President. In practice, however, it is a done deal and he will take a week off to recover and then begin his transition to power.
President Bush will continue to exercise all of the Presidency]s executive powers until Noon on 20 January 2009. He will then, in that moment, have no powers other than those possessed by any other ordinary citizen. In practice, however, the "lame duck" President wields very limited influence and carries little weight in any role aside from Commander in Chief. He can still sign executive orders and issue sweeping pardons, but the incumbent's ability to influence the agenda of events is very limited. The outgoing President usually works with the President-elect to promote a smooth transition, but not always. I would predict that George Bush will be very supportive and helpful to Obama -- though the Obama team may prefer to thank him for that effort but do things a different way.
The President-elects influence over things begins immediately -- he will be consulted in all things -- but his power to make decisions etc. will not begin until January. No appointment he makes, no directive he issues, no order he signs is valid as a Presidential order until his innauguration. However, the informal power he wields as the up-and-coming leader and his influence over his party's agenda and the decisions made in Congress in the "lame duck" session start immediately.
Be happy, though. In the old days, the innauguration was on 4 March!
Thanks for the concise yet complete answer Seamus. :bow:
Wow, if you want to see the textbook definition of "bitter," just spend some time reading the NRO's reactions today.
I extend my congratulations mainly in the same sense that elderly British veterans of my acquaintance like to express their admiration of the marvelously innovative ways their Japanese captors found to torture them. The President-elect ran rings round our side, and found many novel ways to torture us.
For me the struggle for the President post was over before it began. It was quite obvious Obama will win (mainly because of the financial chaos in USA)... As far as Bush failure in the foreign policy, his reelection made me think most of the Amercians vote not for foreign policy but for better internal policy... McCain could not persuade most of the voters in better future with the Republicans(how could he in this crisis??) so I think it was quite clear who would win... I do not expect wonders but I am inquisitive what the first steps of the new US President will be.
Won't be long before he is tested, Russia, missile shield, probably hot talk in the Kremlin as I write this :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen Asen
Anyway congrats america a black president that is quite something. I hope it will be for the best and not kick back with a desillusioned vengeance.
So apparently it only takes 1 billion devalued U.S. peso's to buy the presidency. Much lower then I had expected, was hopping it'd be sold for at least 3. Being the one of the largest contributors to the democratic campaign is quite possibly one of the only intelligent investments fannie may and freddie mac have made in recent years.
no way. conservatism has a long time left, IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
Obama Won... Jesus.... Help us all :sweatdrop:
Obama won jesus ?!
hell, what other cool perks does the president get ?
welcome, Comrade, to the United Soviet Socialist States of America.....Quote:
Originally Posted by {BHC}AntiWarmanCake88
he, jk.
:daisy:
http://www.laughatliberals.com/blog/...ma-emporer.jpg
Godspeed You Black Emperor
I'm glad that you Euro fellas are happy with this outcome. It must be hard year after year to be utterly ruled by a president whose election you have no sway in, eh? Maybe this will take away the sting.
If Obama stays to the right where he has positioned himself during the election and doesn't sign that FOCA, I may warm to him. He is easily likable and as long as prop 8 passes and Foca stays off the table I wont writhe in agony all that much.
Whenever he orders mexican, the president gets free guacamoleQuote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
I-1000 (Doctor assisted suicide, opposed by the American Medical Association and requiring falsification of death certificates) passed up here in WA,
as did I-1209, a big gimme to unions that couldn't even pass in our legislature,
And it looks like Rossi is losing, because of crowds of morons in Seattle.
At least Darcy Burner, idiot extraordinaire, is losing.
CR
congrats on i-1000.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
I'll be glad when Obama shows sufficiently more practical, common, political sense than Bush -- in office. The fact that America & its media are voluntarily almost isolated from the rest of the world (missile shield, almost sounds like Bush was even detached from the 'real' American world) is telling.Quote:
Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff
Ah well, if the (ironically, US American) futurologists get it right this will be the Century of China anyways -- so we need not worry about USA as much; then we can all (US Americans more than anyone, 'cause it's Chinese money the US Americans are living off) be happy when the 'right one' next Chinese Communist Party President gets voted to power.
America has chosen McObama. The Game is over for Ocain. If he could help the rest of the world...
BTW, welcome back Beirut!
well, we dont know if he will show better practical, common, political sense than Bush....Quote:
Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios
not until he gets into office.
so "when" isnt correct here, but "if," IMO.
The hardest part was seeing such a powerful nation being represented by that anti-president Bush. So yes, we're all pretty happy with this. :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff
:balloon2:
Yes. You are right: Obama isn't in office yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by hooahguy
no, the point was that you were talking about obama as if his success in the white house was guaranteed. nothing in this world is guaranteed, not even for a "messiah" like obama.
Even if (no on) 8 passes why would that be a black mark against Obama? He had nothing to do with it. It's a state issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff
Best comment on the election so far, courtesy of Slashdot:
"I think Washington D.C. will become a radioactive wasteland and the survivors will spend their waking hours hunting mutant ants in collapsed subways. Oh, wait. My copy of Fallout 3 arrived yesterday and that's all I can think about."
good Conservative/Libritarian summary of the election, by Neal Boortz:
here
Wow, bitter, party of one?
Begging your pardon, but no I wasn't really. Unless in America "I'll be glad if" means something completely different from what it seems to mean in the rest of the world. In which case my apologies for the misunderstanding, I was intending to convey the notion that I'm not happy on account of Obama's election just yet, but provided that he shows sufficiently more practical, common, political sense than Bush did, while in office then I'll be glad. Hope it's better this way?Quote:
Originally Posted by hooahguy
It's quite funny in a very sad way, though. Compare it [Boortz' article] to The Onion article posted by you in the Weird News thread. http://www.theonion.com/content/news...nion_rss_dailyQuote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
That just makes your day doesn't it? Especially when you read the disclaimer about Hate Speech and realise...
I can see that Fairness Doctrine getting somewhere like that.
"After enduring eight years of near constant trauma, the United States is, at long last, ready for equality."Quote:
Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios
That line was great.
I can understand partisans being bitter about yesterday. What really perplexed me was when partisan Republicans were sore winners in 2000 and 2004. If we (Dems) were Republicans, I suppose right about now we'd be discussing which sub-basements we're going to force the Republican minority subcommittees to go have their meetings in and not let them have use of any meeting facilities.
Congratulations to Obama.
I'll celebrate if and when Obama shows sufficiently more practical, common, political sense than Bush - in office.
I just heard McCain's speech. Absolutely beautiful. America can be proud that a man like McCain has wished to serve it.
~+~+~+<-(^)->+~+~+~
I couldn't help but notice...everywhere I went today, I saw smiling Black faces. They walked prouder, more upright, laughed harder. Our Black security officer wore his tie straight, he stood upright most of the day, projecting welcome to our guests, instead of just sitting behind his desk.
There was nothing truly unusual about it, just a sense like...it reminded me of when France won the World Cup. You just notice it.
~+~+~+<-(^)->+~+~+~
I couldn't agree more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meneldil
~+~+~+<-(^)->+~+~+~
Now if only I was that guy that staked his reputation in 2004 on the then unthinkable prediction that - before the end of the decade! - America would be the hippest thing on the planet.
Wait...I am him. :beam:
One good election deserves another. As I recall liberals were incredibly bitter about their losses in 2000 and especially in 2004 when Dubya managed to defy the odds and beat Kerry. I was working at CBS on election night during the Bush/Gore race and as the results streamed in the sheer panic that gripped my co-workers was borderline psychotic. Nervous body language, agitated expressions, lashing out. I remember one young, decidedly gay attorney talking on the phone in the office near my desk... "Zomg, look at all those red states!!! How can this be happening?!? I can't believe this!!!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
Great piece. He gets a little looney with his far flung projections but I loved this part...Quote:
Originally Posted by hooahguy
This article makes the pic posted by TuffStuffMcGruff even more poignant. After all, wasn't it Caesar's appeals and promises to the mob that ensured his success?Quote:
Several times in the last few day's I've mentioned the concept of "The Tipping Point." I'm using that term in the context of voting and taxpaying. Right now we are at the point where about 43% of American income earners pay absolutely NO income tax. I've been saying for years that if the Democrats ever gain absolute control in Washington we're going to see that percentage climb ... climb to over 50%. That's the tipping point. Imagine a political campaign where the majority of voters do not pay income taxes. Imagine a campaign where the majority of voters actually get a check from the government instead of writing a check to the government. Can you hear the Democrat campaign themes then? "Vote for the Republicans and they're going to make you pay income taxes."
Dontcha just love Michael Ramirez's work?
https://img58.imageshack.us/img58/66...n110508qk6.jpg
A good article by George Wallace's daughter:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/...ama/index.html
I'm not certain I understand the rant by Peggy Wallace Kennedy, or your intention in posting it. That people that disagree with the Democratic Party platform are the bigoted cultural heirs of George Wallace?Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
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Originally Posted by DNC party shill
ah, ok. i understand. no hard feelings? :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios
I posted it because I thought it was interesting and well-written. I thought that under the current circumstances the opinion of the daughter of the last person to run a major Presidential campaign on a platform of segregation would be interesting to a few posters. I am not quite sure why you are offended by it it being posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
Sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by hooahguy
At least Darcy Burner, darling of the netroots and koskids, is losing! (very narrowly, and maybe because of her moronic claim that she got a degree in economics from Harvard, when she didn't, and had to deal with the fallout from that in the closing week).
CR
he. i still remember last time we engaged in politics....Quote:
Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios
*shudders and thinks about when the EB tavern was temporarily closed b/c of political flame wars*
Its still too close to call. 41% counted and she is down 51-49.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
I've been sceptical of Obama ever since he started being competitive, and I still am (albeit slightly less). The first few months after his inauguration should be interesting and I'll follow it closely.
Even though I didn't like the tone and some of the themes of his campaign, I feel sorry for McCain. On the other hand I seriously hope that Palin will go back to Alaska and won't come back.
As the election has ended, I think the preponderance of anti-Obama rhetoric went up significantly, probably in a response to the (in my mind) disgustingly unsportsmanlike response by the victors. While I don't have a problem with saying "Obama won", or anything as such; there are some examples that I witnessed today that were...disturbingly confrontational.
This isn't my first election folks, but I've never been on the losing side before, so I guess this is how it feels, but even when Kerry or Gore lost it wasn't this bad. There has been alot of racist confrontations today between blacks and whites in my town, and I don't want it to continue.
The fear-mongering that has occurred (black students telling white ones that the whites are "gonna be slaves") is disturbing to hear, and it makes all the whites very confrontational. While I might not comprehend the "historicity" of this event, it doesn't help when all the Obama supporters are shouting from the rooftops that they won, as if it was ever in doubt, and rubbing everyone's face in it?
I was surprised there wasn't more violence between the Obama supporters and McCain supporters. It's not because the McCain supporters were picking on Obama supporters as Communists, Socialists, or anything like that. I was quite willing to forget there was ever an election until the Obama supporters began their tirade. What happened to viewing content of character over skin color, and getting on with our lives? Tomorrow it'll be better though.
It's also interesting that everyone is calling for unity behind the President, when Bush didn't get unity in 2000 until a major U.S. disaster?
Local elections were fine, except the race between two candidates (A black republican and female democrat) was so close they've had to call in manual counts.
We also banned gay marriage!
I guess I'd like to hear from you why you think the Republican party under George W. Bush has been segregationist? The author is making a direct comparison between her father (before he sang Kumbaya and reformed himself) and Geroge W. Bush in 2008 in the particular, and by extension the GOP in 2008 at large. You appear to be applauding her comparison. I'd like to hear some justification for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
The situation now is different to what it was in 2000. There is a financial disaster and two wars. Bush did not face those same obstacles.Quote:
It's also interesting that everyone is calling for unity behind the President, when Bush didn't get unity in 2000 until a major U.S. disaster?
What CA said, and, 2000 was a very hotly contested election which was ultimately decided by the Supreme Court, not the voters. And yet Al Gore called for people to support the decision. The circumstances were very different, there is no real question about legitimacy about last night's end result.Quote:
It's also interesting that everyone is calling for unity behind the President, when Bush didn't get unity in 2000 until a major U.S. disaster?
I was 10 in 2000.
*Pats Strike and gives him a Power Ranger doll* HeheQuote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South