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I'm still available as the Ptolemies. Unfortunately, I have to play online with a CD key as I can't seem to get Hamachi to install on my computer. I'm in Wisconsin, so US Central time, but I'm pretty flexible on Friday and Saturday.
Edit: You should probably specify what battle size to use, Belisarius. I wouldn't be surprised if Large were assumed, but it would be best to have it in the rules.
Just wanted to say I'm very, very pleased the Romaioi got their asses whooped. I can't wait until I get my damn laptop (Saturday, whohoo!) and see those replays as well as face some Romaioi on the battlefield.
Maion
I can attempt to play as romanoi. Never played online before so not sure how good I am tactically. Let me know if you need another Roman player.
I am GMT +10 though, seems that there are lots of american GMT-5's and 6's here. Although I guess I could be available anytime saturday.... if my opponent is a late riser I could be doing an all nighter coked up to the eyeballs. Let me know.
As for Maion, i gotta admit I love reading what you have to say but this saturday those Makedones will fall to Roman swords and evil, studded, stomping sandles:skull:
Edit: And can anyone tell me how to add those pictures that have been created for this tournament to my signature.
To address some of the issues presented.
There is no cavalry limit, we have decided that, should a player choose to overdo it, he will have an unbalanced army, also cavalry is expensive and not to mention the fact that, while cavalry may win you the battle, at the end of the day, we all know it was the infantry that paved the way to victory.
Second: size issues. The purpose of the trial battles was to try out everyone's online PC capabilities. "Large" seems to work for mostly everyone. If you are not sure about your performance, then ask the person hosting the game to lower unit number to "Normal". Also, tweaking your settings and putting everything on "low" will boost performance and may even let you use "Huge" armies.
Blxz, we will take into consideration the time issue when making match-ups. Once you know who your opponent is, you can discuss and settle on a suitable time for the both of you.
And FYI, you go to the User CP button on the top-left of the page, go to "Edit signature" and copy/paste the picture's link between the "[IMG]" code, like so:
[IMG] https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...lleniccopy.jpg [/IMG]
(only, without the spaces, of course)
Okay, two quick questions:
1) For the Romani, can you use older types of units like Velites(Polybian) in Marian because Romani players won't have any missile units after Polybian by your Unit Limit I?
2) What exactly does this mean?
This statement seems a little ambiguous. What exactly is the ratio referring to? Is it Legion/Phalanx to Other Units? For example, if a Mak player has 6 phalangites, he can only have a max of 3 Companian Cavalry or 3 Thracian Peltastai? And by mercenary, are you refering to Thracian/Galatian/etc type units that are included on the roster but aren't ethnically part of that faction?Quote:
Additionally, the ratio of faction/mercenary units should be 2-1 at least (this is only for the Legionary and Phalanx units).
well, my co-worker called in sick today and i can't do much when he's not there.
I am free for a while. Installing another EB folder as i type this
and it is ready, i believe. I got EB 1.2 with the 3 permanent fixes. Is that all that is needed?
Im free right now to do a matchup on regular MP
Im a dux, so you can bring hellenes.
Besides, i have found while fighting Gabeed that if a romaioi player is capable of pushing on his flanks or at least screening them, is often in the advantage since the roman units have better morale and swords which are a boost in an atrittion battle.
A phalanx is an anvil: ie a defensive unit
A legion is a hammer, use offensively and youll push those hellenes into submission.
And don't be scared to attack frontally, even a phalanx, that way your forcing your enemy to commit troops to hold his line, hence he is less able to flank.
i got an older version of Hamachi. It is supposed to be the only one that works with starcraft, that is why i got it.
the question being, different Hamachi versions work together?
You can use Polybian units in Marian reforms, and Camillan in Polybian. The ones that don't change their equipment etc. with the reforms (i.e. Hastati, Principes, Triarii)Quote:
Originally Posted by antisocialmunky
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2) What exactly does this mean?
This statement seems a little ambiguous. What exactly is the ratio referring to? Is it Legion/Phalanx to Other Units? For example, if a Mak player has 6 phalangites, he can only have a max of 3 Companian Cavalry or 3 Thracian Peltastai? And by mercenary, are you refering to Thracian/Galatian/etc type units that are included on the roster but aren't ethnically part of that faction?[/QUOTE]Quote:
Additionally, the ratio of faction/mercenary units should be 2-1 at least (this is only for the Legionary and Phalanx units).
Sorry, I guess that was a bit ambiguous. The ratio of faction/mercenary units of the same type, i.e. 4 Principes/Hastati and 2 Samnite Mercenaries, for example.
I'll include those into the top page. Thanks for pointing them out.
Okay thanks for the clarification. So the the faction/mercenary of the same type, that onyl applies to the heavy infantry and not our cavalry right? So for example, I can take as many of the Elite Cavalry of the Italian Allies as I want without a limit because they aren't phalanx/legion?
Also what about letting the Romans use the Itallics Regionals during the Polybian Era since Polybian Roman armies were 1/2 Roman and 1/2 Allied Armies with 3 time the allied cavalry as the Romans? I mean, only the Pedites Extraordinarii are more cost efficient than the rest of the Roman units and would make up for the lack of low end Roman spears. The included units would be Samnites, Campanians, Ligurians, Lucianians(missile), and Bruttians.
For the purpose of this one tournament, I'd have to say no to the Campanians, Ligurians, etc.
And the faction/mercenary ratio applies only to legionary and phalanx units indeed. We figured that using mercenary auxilaries was common practice in those days so mercenary cavalry should be all right.
On the other hand, again, only those units available on the website for now.
I will raise this issue again after the first tournament so for the next one there will be an even longer, more comprehensive set of rules.
If we allow Ligurians for the Romans we would also have to allow Hoplitai Syrakousai for the Greeks, for example.
It's quite possible that for the next tourney we will have a roster much closer to the multiplayer EDU file provided by the EB team already. However, we are still not quite sure if that fits with the overall purpose of this tournament so that issue is still up for discussion.
Hope that makes sense.
Also, munky, shall I write you down as an Imperator?
And Maion, if you get your laptop on Saturday, I'll write you down for Makedonia, then?
I'm afraid I have some questions regarding faction/mercenary troops for my Ptolemaic army. What about the Ptolemaic Galatian klerouchs? They are faction troops in game, though they are obviously non-Greeks. Am I limited to 1 Galatian unit for every phalanx, or do they count as faction troops? I apologize beforehand for my confusion.
Sure, ROMA INVICTA.
well, i am ready if you are aroundQuote:
Originally Posted by Potocello
ah sorry man i can't tonight, i have a lot of work to do. maybe tomorrow?Quote:
Originally Posted by ezekiel2517
yeah, no problem :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Potocello
Yes please, even though I'll have to re-install everything, plus I got tons of work for University, I'm definately going to make some time for this:yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Βελισάριος
Maion
Hi, I got 2 questions to ask:
Why no Baktria (beecause they never fought romans?)
and why no charging through the own lines?
thx
Chargings through own lines with your cavalry isn't really Historical.:sweatdrop:
And its a shame that Baktria is not included :skull:.
Also on Epeiros, it says they should fight Polybian, that should be Camillian. And why is Epeiros also limited to 6 Phalangite units? Epeiros also used a large force of non Phalanx infantry, just look at the Historical battle of Ausculum, 4 Phalangite units there of which 1 was a mercenary unit. For Epeiros either a minimum of 3 or 4 Phalangite units would be better I think.
Galatians are, technically, faction troops, even though they're non-Greek. Keep in mind you're playing an Empire, and empires don't always have soldiers of the same nationality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gabeed
And besides, Galatians are shock troops (damn good ones too) and Phalangitai count as pikemen, so it'd be a different ration.
As for Epeiros using only 3-4 phalanx units, we decided the 6 limit was for all phalanx armies. Since, again, see the title of the tournament (Legion vs. Phalanx). We decided armies that were built around phalanx units needed to be represented.
And Baktria has been left out (despite it being ever so popular with the masses) because they never saw a Roman in their lives, at least not in combat.
EDIT: I've posted Maion's "historical army formation" guide and Irish's addition.
Now here's the list of participants so far (with factions and timezones):
Romani:
Antisocialmunky
Alexanderthegreater GMT - 6
Blxz
ezekiel2517
Rootje
We shall fwee...Wodewick
Macilrille
TWFanatic
ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ:
Maion Maroneios (Makedonia) GMT + 2
Gabeed (Ptolemaioi)
Potocello (Koinon Hellenon) GMT – 5
IrishHitman (Makedonia) GMT
Phalanx300 (KH > Macedonia/Epeiros > Rome)
Hasdrubal Barca (Seleuceia or Macedonia)
Turnus (as a "phalanx faction")
Phalanx, Hasdrubal and Turnus I need you to pick one faction and stick with it for the rest of the tournament (this month, at least)
And I need everyone who hasn't to give me their timezones, please.
Tell me if I've made any mistakes. I'll start sending PMs soon.
Im GMT +1 actually. dont know where you got that from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Βελισάριος
Also, I wont be online until monday, since im on holiday.
GMT -6 for me.
I do personally think more Historical armies would be more fun, though thinking of it, Hoplites count as Phalanx units right? Does that also count for the non KH factions?Quote:
Originally Posted by Βελισάριος
I'll be either Koinen Hellenon or Epeiros as they haven't been chosen yet, then again I don't like the 6 pikemen limit for Epeiros. I'll go for Epeiros :idea2:. Though that limit is killing me :whip:.Quote:
Phalanx, Hasdrubal and Turnus I need you to pick one faction and stick with it for the rest of the tournament (this month, at least)
And I need everyone who hasn't to give me their timezones, please.
EDIT: Sorry for the confusion but I'll rather go for the Koinen Hellenon again.
Oh, and I´m GMT +1
I'm GMT - 6
I wouldn't mind giving Epeiros a slightly lower phalanx limit and moving the reform down to Camillian. Since a unit of elephants is equivalent to 2 Companians or 5-6 phalanx units, it would help them to field one without handicapping themselves in the number of cavalry and infantry. Besides more phalanx units = higher chance of me killing half that army and forcing the survivors into a box.:laugh4:
I'd also like to submit to you guys a proposal:
The Romans should be allowed one elephant against the Macedonians since they had a unit of one against both Phillip V and Perseus.
Can't wait to see the outcome.
are you there? Potocello :beam:
After a rather long phone call back to home, my mother gave me my cd-key. Seems like i can acess "online battles" so i supose the cd-key is correct.
So... i believe i am ready. :2thumbsup:
I am speaking from Portugal so i supose my timezone is GMT. Oh and if there are still any slots left for this newbie, put me on the Greek Team. I will most likely go with either Epirus or the Seleucid Empire, although i need to see units limits first.
Actually you don't need a cd-key to play via hamachi! :beam:
No? Damn. So much trouble for nothing. :dizzy2:
my friend has told me that he will need his laptop back this weekend.
I am out of the tournament for certain now :shame:
I am GMT +10Quote:
Originally Posted by Βελισάριος
EDIT: Also, I can't seem to get that hamichi thingy working on my computer. I might be stuck with just regular online battles with my cd key.
What kind of problems do you have?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blxz
Sorry to hear that ezekiel
EGO, who shall I write you down as?
Oh, and... it's perfectly alright if we have two contestants playing Makedonia, for example. So you should all choose the faction you're most comfortable with.
GMT for me
and anytime saturday afternoon so long as you give me notice.
i could play friday afternoon/night and saturday afternoon/night. I may be available all day saturday depending on what i'm doing saturday.
Just wondering if we are able to start getting some approximate times for the first battles. Its Friday afternoon where I am and gotta start planning my day tomorrow. No rush, i can be available any time throughout the day but I can't just be sitting here all day. I have to do stuff around the time that I will battle.
Actually, I have nothing on Sunday so I could supposedly be available all night until the early hours of Sunday monring if I had to verse a lower GMT person (you people are living in the past, time to get back to the future).
Hey everybody!
Βελισάριος and I had a chance to played 3 test games last night. Boy were they epic. I only have two of the replayed but the first game was a Macedonian victory. Thracians managed to hold off my cavalry long enough for B's Companions to KO half my men.
Keep in mind that these were just for fun so the tactics seen here may or may not see use in the tournement.:beam:
Replay 1: Rome vs AS
http://files.filefront.com/LOLKatssu.../fileinfo.html
Comments: AS Kats were unbelievable against infantry. I should have brought some spear untis with me for them. They did however completely fail against my giant ball of Roman cavalry. We were all stunned by their crap morale. Maybe my general bribed them to run off like that.
Replay 2: rome vs Greeks
http://files.filefront.com/Greeksona.../fileinfo.html
Comments: Keep an eye on the first hastati on the left. That guy was my MVP. They took alot of pain.
Anyways, I'll see you guys tonight and tomorrow. Roma Invicta!
I demand a re-re-rematch!
But you're completely right, those battle were indeed epic!
Oh, tips for Macedonian Strategoi... Peltastai Makedonikoi, those cats won the first battle. They defiantly refused to die and chewed up Munk's cavalry... if it hadn't been for them and the Thracians, I'd have been a lot less cheerful this morning.
The AS one is probably my favourite, though... when I saw those cataphracts cower like bunnies I lost all will to live. We had a good few laughs about those, though.
I'm still waiting for a few people to confirm. Macilrille is out of the competition, Turnus still hasn't confirned, neither has TWFanatic.
And we find ourselves one Roman short... again. Any volunteers... Tolg?
I want to do a 2 vs 2 with Tolg.
Hey guys.
Im´get this "different format" when i´m going to see the battles.
Is this a problem or it´s all good?
Thx.
I think it's fine, since the format in single player mode is different than in multiplayer mode for EB. . .right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucio Domicio Aureliano
Where do I save the replay file in order to watch it?
Click the little video camera on the battle report.
I think he was referring to the folder where to put the file.
It should be in [Your RTW vanilla folder]/EB/Replays
Or just do what munky told you with any random battle and the folder will be automatically created (unless you have it already) and it should be easy to find afterwards.
BTW, munky... you up for a rematch tonight? In, say... an hour or so?
How about in 30? BSG is almost on :-p
Never viewed a replay before so had no folder. Thanks. BTW, its like midday saturday where I am, do we have our match-ups or times or anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by Βελισάριος
I have never played online, but I just did a clean install and it looks like my EB is booting up alright after the install.
I have Hamachi set up. Anybody up for a match right now? How do you guys usually communicate? via a messenger or on the forum PM system?
I'm up. Look on the last page at the instructions to get into the network. We usually talk via the hamachi chat.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Βελισάριος
I'll play with the side that has less generals. I'm GMT+1.
Sry if my English is bad, I'm in the last few hours of a all night long LAN party... ^^'
(I've got the feeling that it got much worse in the second sentence....)
Woo, i have a (i think) fully working hamachi thingy. Ready to play any hellenes whenever you are ready.
http://files.filefront.com/MevsPhala.../fileinfo.html
Yeah... it was 2 vs 1 with 40K on both sides. Just let this be a lesson to you, Ekdromoi suck.
Thx Gabeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gabeed
Macedonian Reformed Pikemen are tough especially when they outnumber you.
Then again, they are supposed to kill peltasts, I was just glad that 1 of my 2 units was able to hold your flanking units for a while.:idea2:Quote:
Originally Posted by antisocialmunky
Also, in EB I really get the feeling that Hoplites are underpowered, maybe doing something with them for this tourney would be better. Like the 0.2 density? Right now, either with or without guard mode they get beaten 1 on 1, front or non front.
Tsid beat me with hoplites and a horde of cavalry.
IrishHitman (Kingdom of Macedonia) + tsidneku (Seleucid Empire) vs. Phalanx300 + antisocialmunkey (Roman Republic).
http://www.mediafire.com/?mzyn5kyajmj
Victory to Greeks.
We (Greeks) formed semi-circle formation in the centre of our deployment area, Romans deployed in two groups.
Roman cavalry moved to our left, we moved our cav, elephants and chariots to intercept.
Roman infantry followed suit soon afterwards, and I moved my right wing phalanx to a right angle with tsi's phalanx, which in turn rotated to line up with mine.
Meanwhile a cav/ele/chariot battle had erupted. Our phalanx line, now advancing, was ignored until it was within attack range, and the inevitable clash of pikes and scuta occurred soon afterwards. The Roman flanks were defeated with cavalry and elephants, and the rest of the line devolved into a rout during and afterwards.
ALL HAIL MAKEDONIA!!!
Technically no one told us straight up that they were using elephants. Still a fun battle none the less.
While I'd still like to wait for a few more players to answer my PM and confirm their participation... I'll probably assign opponent by Sunday night (probably early morning, even... GMT).
Afterwards you'll have a week to set up the first battle with your opponent.
I just hope I get confirmation soon from the other members.
Oh yeah, can anyone out there give us the line to add to the MP EDU to enable Peltastai for the KH? It seems they wee left out in an oversight.
So far what I understand is that we are kicking your butts big-time! :evilgrin:
Maion
Indeed we are :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Maion Maroneios
Msot of them have been 2 vs 2s. I'd like to get you in a 1 vs 1 but I can't connect to you ever since that one battle.
Besides the tournement hasn't even started yet :-D, this is just practice.
If anyone knows how to solve this I can see but can't ping bug, that'd be great.
I would enjoy a 1v1 immensely :PQuote:
Originally Posted by antisocialmunky
Well get on Hamachi :-p. I haven't seen anyone on all morning.
Damn, perhaps I should've joined...:shame:Quote:
Originally Posted by Maion Maroneios
Probably too late now though...
I don't think you're too late. The tournament hasn't even started yet.
Well, it.... has, technically. But we're still in the sign-up stage.
So feel free to join.
Roman player, I take it?
Also, timezone and approximate available hours, please?
Sign me up please. I'm a Greek player. :)
EST (-5 GMT) -- available 18:00 to 21:00 EST.
So what Hamachi channel is being used again?
I'm not 100% sure if I will be available all coming weekend (loads of parties, I love uni lol), but sign me up as I should be able to play during the periods between the partying.
I would play on the Hellenic side. Timezone - GMT. Probably will be available for a few test battles during the week, just need to install Hamachi again.
We need to create a few seperate groups since the unlicensed Hamachi only allows a max of 16 per channel.
Top o' the mornin', lads! 'Tis a good day to die!
We have our first match-ups. These were randomly distributed using the good ol' d8 (since we happened to, coincidentally, have 8 contestants on all sides. 3 of the Imperatores still haven't replied to my invitation though I saw they were active on the forums recently, the Strategoi who were supposed to battle them, if they haven't answered your messages you'll be given priority in the next round.
Before you begin
1. Contact each other via PM or however you see fit and establish a date and time for the battle, then inform myself, Βελισάριος via PM with your decision.
2. The jury will choose the map for each battle.
3. The attacking army for this round will be: The Romans. The Greeks will have to hold their position as the Romans try to break it (next round it will be other way around).
4. After you've slaughtered each other, save the replay in the following format [Attacking General's name]vs[Defending General's name][Date of battle:ddmm].rpy, using the names you have on the forum (e.g.: TolgvsHunGeneral0203.rpy for a battle that took place today, March 2nd, ScipioAfricanusvsHannibal0910.rpy, etc.)
So... here are the first round's opponents:
1. Antisocialmunky vs. IrishHitman (It was random, I swear! If you two still have connection issues, let me know)
2. Alexanderthegreater vs. Potocello (So, the one with the Greek name plays Rome and the one with an Italian-like name is the Greek... how messed up is that?)
3. Blxz vs. Gabeed (the two guys with my two favourite signatures)
4. Rootje vs. BurningEGO (EGO, if Rootje doesn't reply, PM me)
5. We shall fwee...Wodewick vs. Silence Hunter (Hunter, same situation)
6. TWFanatic vs. Maion Maroneios (watch the jury member be put to shame. Maion, TWF hasn't replied, you know the drill)
7. Tolg vs. Phalanx300 (I believe you two have met)
8. Fluvius Camillus vs. Tsidneku (somehow the two last minute entries have found each other)
I'll send a score of PMs myself to make sure everyone's informed.
Potocello can u play via regular MP? id prefer that, otherwise ill go install hamachi.
Hey, are you trying to intimidate and humiliate me before the battle? We shall see, when the sons of mighty Makedon shall speak for themselves on the battlefield :charge:Quote:
Originally Posted by Βελισάριος
EDIT: Since I've never actually played any online battles (except LAN ones), could someone (*cough*antisocialmunky*cough*) please explain how this 'Hamachi' thing works?
Maion
Check my guide, ask if you got any problems:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
You don't actually ahve to cut your connection anymore.
Just start Hamachi, start RTW, and then go into Lan Battles.
Quote:
Originally Posted by antisocialmunky
Usually, yes. But sometimes it doesn't work (~10% of my battles), that's why it's still in the guide.
Say, do you know how to solve connectivity issues? I can connect to everyone fine but I can't ping them and some of them I can't connect to. I think it might just be windows firewall blocking pings so I dunno. I did try to host a game with someone that couldn't ping me and it seemed to work.
BTW- we need to do a 2 vs 2 one of these days.
Hello all, I'm new to this site but was reading over this thread and downloaded a few replays to see what this was all about. Great stuff, some very enjoyable replays, in particular the battle outside the temple of Artemis at Ephesus. Great stuff! Poor Kataphraktoi :oops:.
Will this be getting its own sub forum or anything of that nature?