Legion vs. Phalanx online tournament

[Βελισάριος]

For the purpose of this one tournament, I'd have to say no to the Campanians, Ligurians, etc.
And the faction/mercenary ratio applies only to legionary and phalanx units indeed. We figured that using mercenary auxilaries was common practice in those days so mercenary cavalry should be all right.

On the other hand, again, only those units available on the website for now.
I will raise this issue again after the first tournament so for the next one there will be an even longer, more comprehensive set of rules.
If we allow Ligurians for the Romans we would also have to allow Hoplitai Syrakousai for the Greeks, for example.

It's quite possible that for the next tourney we will have a roster much closer to the multiplayer EDU file provided by the EB team already. However, we are still not quite sure if that fits with the overall purpose of this tournament so that issue is still up for discussion.

Hope that makes sense.

Also, munky, shall I write you down as an Imperator?

And Maion, if you get your laptop on Saturday, I'll write you down for Makedonia, then?

[Gabeed]

I'm afraid I have some questions regarding faction/mercenary troops for my Ptolemaic army. What about the Ptolemaic Galatian klerouchs? They are faction troops in game, though they are obviously non-Greeks. Am I limited to 1 Galatian unit for every phalanx, or do they count as faction troops? I apologize beforehand for my confusion.

[antisocialmunky]

Sure, ROMA INVICTA.

[ezekiel2517]

eastern is GMT -5. ezekiel i could play at the time you wanted to tomorrow

well, i am ready if you are around

[Potocello]

well, i am ready if you are around

ah sorry man i can't tonight, i have a lot of work to do. maybe tomorrow?

[ezekiel2517]

ah sorry man i can't tonight, i have a lot of work to do. maybe tomorrow?

yeah, no problem

[Maion Maroneios]

And Maion, if you get your laptop on Saturday, I'll write you down for Makedonia, then?

Yes please, even though I'll have to re-install everything, plus I got tons of work for University, I'm definately going to make some time for this

Maion

[ziegenpeter]

Hi, I got 2 questions to ask:
Why no Baktria (beecause they never fought romans?)
and why no charging through the own lines?
thx

[Phalanx300]

Chargings through own lines with your cavalry isn't really Historical.

And its a shame that Baktria is not included .


Also on Epeiros, it says they should fight Polybian, that should be Camillian. And why is Epeiros also limited to 6 Phalangite units? Epeiros also used a large force of non Phalanx infantry, just look at the Historical battle of Ausculum, 4 Phalangite units there of which 1 was a mercenary unit. For Epeiros either a minimum of 3 or 4 Phalangite units would be better I think.

[Βελισάριος]

I'm afraid I have some questions regarding faction/mercenary troops for my Ptolemaic army. What about the Ptolemaic Galatian klerouchs? They are faction troops in game, though they are obviously non-Greeks. Am I limited to 1 Galatian unit for every phalanx, or do they count as faction troops? I apologize beforehand for my confusion.

Galatians are, technically, faction troops, even though they're non-Greek. Keep in mind you're playing an Empire, and empires don't always have soldiers of the same nationality.
And besides, Galatians are shock troops (damn good ones too) and Phalangitai count as pikemen, so it'd be a different ration.

As for Epeiros using only 3-4 phalanx units, we decided the 6 limit was for all phalanx armies. Since, again, see the title of the tournament (Legion vs. Phalanx). We decided armies that were built around phalanx units needed to be represented.

And Baktria has been left out (despite it being ever so popular with the masses) because they never saw a Roman in their lives, at least not in combat.


EDIT: I've posted Maion's "historical army formation" guide and Irish's addition.

Now here's the list of participants so far (with factions and timezones):

Romani:
Antisocialmunky
Alexanderthegreater GMT - 6
Blxz
ezekiel2517
Rootje
We shall fwee...Wodewick
Macilrille
TWFanatic

ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ:
Maion Maroneios (Makedonia) GMT + 2
Gabeed (Ptolemaioi)
Potocello (Koinon Hellenon) GMT – 5
IrishHitman (Makedonia) GMT
Phalanx300 (KH > Macedonia/Epeiros > Rome)
Hasdrubal Barca (Seleuceia or Macedonia)
Turnus (as a "phalanx faction")

Phalanx, Hasdrubal and Turnus I need you to pick one faction and stick with it for the rest of the tournament (this month, at least)
And I need everyone who hasn't to give me their timezones, please.

Tell me if I've made any mistakes. I'll start sending PMs soon.

[alexanderthegreater]

Galatians are, technically, faction troops, even though they're non-Greek. Keep in mind you're playing an Empire, and empires don't always have soldiers of the same nationality.
And besides, Galatians are shock troops (damn good ones too) and Phalangitai count as pikemen, so it'd be a different ration.

As for Epeiros using only 3-4 phalanx units, we decided the 6 limit was for all phalanx armies. Since, again, see the title of the tournament (Legion vs. Phalanx). We decided armies that were built around phalanx units needed to be represented.

And Baktria has been left out (despite it being ever so popular with the masses) because they never saw a Roman in their lives, at least not in combat.


EDIT: I've posted Maion's "historical army formation" guide and Irish's addition.

Now here's the list of participants so far (with factions and timezones):

Romani:
Antisocialmunky
Alexanderthegreater GMT - 6
Blxz
ezekiel2517
Rootje
We shall fwee...Wodewick
Macilrille
TWFanatic

ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ:
Maion Maroneios (Makedonia) GMT + 2
Gabeed (Ptolemaioi)
Potocello (Koinon Hellenon) GMT – 5
IrishHitman (Makedonia) GMT
Phalanx300 (KH > Macedonia/Epeiros > Rome)
Hasdrubal Barca (Seleuceia or Macedonia)
Turnus (as a "phalanx faction")

Phalanx, Hasdrubal and Turnus I need you to pick one faction and stick with it for the rest of the tournament (this month, at least)
And I need everyone who hasn't to give me their timezones, please.

Tell me if I've made any mistakes. I'll start sending PMs soon.

Im GMT +1 actually. dont know where you got that from.

Also, I wont be online until monday, since im on holiday.

[Gabeed]

GMT -6 for me.

[Phalanx300]

As for Epeiros using only 3-4 phalanx units, we decided the 6 limit was for all phalanx armies. Since, again, see the title of the tournament (Legion vs. Phalanx). We decided armies that were built around phalanx units needed to be represented.

I do personally think more Historical armies would be more fun, though thinking of it, Hoplites count as Phalanx units right? Does that also count for the non KH factions?

Phalanx, Hasdrubal and Turnus I need you to pick one faction and stick with it for the rest of the tournament (this month, at least)
And I need everyone who hasn't to give me their timezones, please.

I'll be either Koinen Hellenon or Epeiros as they haven't been chosen yet, then again I don't like the 6 pikemen limit for Epeiros. I'll go for Epeiros . Though that limit is killing me .

EDIT: Sorry for the confusion but I'll rather go for the Koinen Hellenon again.

Oh, and I´m GMT +1

[antisocialmunky]

I'm GMT - 6

I wouldn't mind giving Epeiros a slightly lower phalanx limit and moving the reform down to Camillian. Since a unit of elephants is equivalent to 2 Companians or 5-6 phalanx units, it would help them to field one without handicapping themselves in the number of cavalry and infantry. Besides more phalanx units = higher chance of me killing half that army and forcing the survivors into a box.

I'd also like to submit to you guys a proposal:
The Romans should be allowed one elephant against the Macedonians since they had a unit of one against both Phillip V and Perseus.

[heldelance]

Can't wait to see the outcome.

[ezekiel2517]

are you there? Potocello

[BurningEGO]

After a rather long phone call back to home, my mother gave me my cd-key. Seems like i can acess "online battles" so i supose the cd-key is correct.

So... i believe i am ready.

I am speaking from Portugal so i supose my timezone is GMT. Oh and if there are still any slots left for this newbie, put me on the Greek Team. I will most likely go with either Epirus or the Seleucid Empire, although i need to see units limits first.

[Lovejoy]

Actually you don't need a cd-key to play via hamachi!

[BurningEGO]

No? Damn. So much trouble for nothing.

[ezekiel2517]

my friend has told me that he will need his laptop back this weekend.

I am out of the tournament for certain now

[Blxz]

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Now here's the list of participants so far (with factions and timezones):

Romani:
Antisocialmunky
Alexanderthegreater GMT - 6
Blxz
ezekiel2517
Rootje
We shall fwee...Wodewick
Macilrille
TWFanatic

And I need everyone who hasn't to give me their timezones, please.

I am GMT +10

EDIT: Also, I can't seem to get that hamichi thingy working on my computer. I might be stuck with just regular online battles with my cd key.

[Tolg]

I am GMT +10

EDIT: Also, I can't seem to get that hamichi thingy working on my computer. I might be stuck with just regular online battles with my cd key.

What kind of problems do you have?

[Βελισάριος]

Sorry to hear that ezekiel

EGO, who shall I write you down as?

Oh, and... it's perfectly alright if we have two contestants playing Makedonia, for example. So you should all choose the faction you're most comfortable with.

[We shall fwee...Wodewick]

GMT for me

and anytime saturday afternoon so long as you give me notice.

[Potocello]

i could play friday afternoon/night and saturday afternoon/night. I may be available all day saturday depending on what i'm doing saturday.

[Blxz]

Just wondering if we are able to start getting some approximate times for the first battles. Its Friday afternoon where I am and gotta start planning my day tomorrow. No rush, i can be available any time throughout the day but I can't just be sitting here all day. I have to do stuff around the time that I will battle.

Actually, I have nothing on Sunday so I could supposedly be available all night until the early hours of Sunday monring if I had to verse a lower GMT person (you people are living in the past, time to get back to the future).

[antisocialmunky]

Hey everybody!

Βελισάριος and I had a chance to played 3 test games last night. Boy were they epic. I only have two of the replayed but the first game was a Macedonian victory. Thracians managed to hold off my cavalry long enough for B's Companions to KO half my men.

Keep in mind that these were just for fun so the tactics seen here may or may not see use in the tournement.

Replay 1: Rome vs AS

http://files.filefront.com/LOLKatssu.../fileinfo.html

Comments: AS Kats were unbelievable against infantry. I should have brought some spear untis with me for them. They did however completely fail against my giant ball of Roman cavalry. We were all stunned by their crap morale. Maybe my general bribed them to run off like that.


Replay 2: rome vs Greeks

http://files.filefront.com/Greeksona.../fileinfo.html

Comments: Keep an eye on the first hastati on the left. That guy was my MVP. They took alot of pain.


Anyways, I'll see you guys tonight and tomorrow. Roma Invicta!

[Βελισάριος]

I demand a re-re-rematch!
But you're completely right, those battle were indeed epic!

Oh, tips for Macedonian Strategoi... Peltastai Makedonikoi, those cats won the first battle. They defiantly refused to die and chewed up Munk's cavalry... if it hadn't been for them and the Thracians, I'd have been a lot less cheerful this morning.

The AS one is probably my favourite, though... when I saw those cataphracts cower like bunnies I lost all will to live. We had a good few laughs about those, though.

I'm still waiting for a few people to confirm. Macilrille is out of the competition, Turnus still hasn't confirned, neither has TWFanatic.

And we find ourselves one Roman short... again. Any volunteers... Tolg?

[antisocialmunky]

I want to do a 2 vs 2 with Tolg.

[Lucio Domicio Aureliano]

Hey guys.

Im´get this "different format" when i´m going to see the battles.
Is this a problem or it´s all good?

Thx.