I'm completely lost, I'll just vote:abstain for now. By the next day i should have my head on strait with this game.
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I'm completely lost, I'll just vote:abstain for now. By the next day i should have my head on strait with this game.
Yes Chimpyang if you do know then why are you questioning Beskar about it? Do you have something to hide
Vote Abstain For now I want to see reactions to the current events before I place my actual vote.
Vote: Sasaki
Duel: Reenk vs Reenk (Beefy are you counting these? :stwmean: The greatest battle to be fought is the one within yourself)
With a little bit of explanation (and Japanese cryptography!), I think I've come to understand what Chimpyang is getting at; some of the numbers I've received are wrong, looking to rectify that soon and fully learn what happened last night.
:bow:
I'm going to vote: chimpyang until he clears up whats going on
unvote. I don't want Beskar hanging on obsolete votes.
vote: Kagemusha. Still silent as the grave.
Make Kage duel Sasaki, please.
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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Kage's not worth wasting a lynch on, but I would still like there to be an option to remove him later on if necessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
I don't think he's going to be active at night for the town, but, if he is scum, you can bet he will be active.
I think Sasaki is a safe bet to take him out.
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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Unless you want to do the deed personally, O master of masters.
If Kage's not going to contribute, then he is a viable suspect and a less viable underling. I wouldn't ignore him forever.
:rtwno:Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
:yes:Quote:
If Kage's not going to contribute, then he is a viable suspect and a less viable underling. I wouldn't ignore him forever.
:rtwno:Quote:
Duel: Sasaki vs Kage
:rtwyes:Quote:
Duel:Kage vs xxxx
Actually since I was one of the attackers, he would have had to have a strength of >9 since I have a strength of 3, in accordance to my duel with GE, so he became 0 and I gained a strength as a result of winning the duel. So I do know then who is the strongest one in our group of four. So please speak up now or forever hold your peace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
A thought:
Kagemusha versus Slashandburn?
A double-edged sword, there are downsides. Makes a known SK more powerful, but therefore a more likely mafia target.
Possible for Kage to win, reduce Slash's power, and we learn something new about Kage.
We lynch Slashandburn in due time anyway, and reveals no other strong roles in the process. If Slash is to be our pawn, put him to work, or do away with him, I'd suggest.
Isn't strength always 1-5?
:no:Quote:
Originally Posted by classical_hero
I am indeedQuote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
Sorry no one else is voting for it :beam:
Correct :bow: Maximum for any character is 5Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamondeye
Day 3 summery
Lord Naritsugu came skipping out of the room to the still noisy garden.
"SILENCE! Lord Naritsugu is present." Kitou shouted.
"people" spoke Lord Naritsugu, with a lower case p. " Good discussion today. Very good. Its such a sunny day, what say we all leave here alive today? Ey?"
Samurais looked at each other as the rain continued to strike their cheeks. But they didn't mind that offer.
"However I do like to see duels! Duels! I love duels! Come forward Sasaki! Come forward Kage!"
So the duo who wasn't even voted for came out to fight. Crowd cheered as Sasaki came out once more while the pizzaguy in the afterlife nodded in approval.
Sasaki kept his Katana in the sheath prepared in the Iai form while Kage pulled out his Wakisashi and held it up side down.. The assassins form.
No jokes, no taunts. The two silent Samurais glared and read each others breaths. Then they started simultaneously. 3 seconds later they were on the opposite side. Kage held his bleeding stomach, while Sasaki calmly placed his Katana back in the sheath. Unharmed.
Kage was taken away to the medics while Sasaki left in applause.
"MERRY ME SASAKI SAN!"
"YOUR MY HERO SASAKI SAN!"
"SENSEI!!"
Once they finished discussing todays duel, each of them went back to their position. Not knowing what might happen next.
Players 21/28
pevergreen
secura
Captain Blackadder
Glenn
Classical Hero
Diamondeye
God Emperor
Yaropolk (Musashi!)
Beskar
Cecil XIX
Sasaki Kojiro (Playing as Sasaki Kojiro)
Seon
Skooma Addict
YLC
Reenk Roink
autolycus
Chimpyang
slashandburn
Kagemusha
Nightbringer
Csargo
Lynched 2/28
Romanic
Subotan
Killed 5/28
Renata
Chaotix
robbiecon
Lord of Lent
Askthepizzaguy
Start night 3!!
Well our attack did show up something of what slashandburn is, so if he does not want be attacked tonight, then please contact me and tell us what you are doing tonight. Also it looks like Beskar got confused as the total strength and stating that someone was a four, since no one in our group of vigs has that strengh, but our total strength of the attack was as stated, just that he forgot that I gain power from my duel.
I'll be in touch regarding vigilante attacks tonight, once I've checked over Pizza's notes/possible suspects and spoken with pevergreen.
Can i perform seppuku because of the disgrace and humiliation over loosing a duel? Or maybe because i dont have a clue about the game as i havent been around to even read the game?
:no:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
:no:Quote:
Originally Posted by classical
:yes:Quote:
Secura
Strength level for me is four.
I could replace you. If any of the killed guys wants another go at the game :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
MWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAQuote:
Originally Posted by Beefy187
(I respectfully volunteer)
Me too. Just make sure not to kill me again, Pizza... I eat pizza's for lunch...
Checking with Kagemusha first. If he wishes to be replaced I would askthepizzaguy :bow:
2 hours remaining to send your orders in.
Quick result for the night.
Feeling feverish so I'll take a early nap.
Chimpyang, Cecil, Captainblackadder, Kagemusha and God Emperor is dead. Please start the day phase in advance.
I'll do the write up tomorrow.
Gah! I've been killed again, before I could play again! I've been post-death pre-killed!
Night 3 summery
http://samurai-warriors.org/wp-conte...i-training.jpg
Captain Blackadder was meditating, looking back to his life if what his done was right.
If he had not been listening to the surrounding, he might've not been able to sense the attack.
As the Yajin was the master of blending in the nature.
Captain Blackadder rolled forward to dodge the wooden stick.
"Aww missed." said the attacker.
http://www.cyzo.com/images/13shikaku03.jpg
"Have you got no honour?" said Captain Blackadder, spitting on the ground.
"Well, I thought surprise attack will end your misery faster." he answered.
Captain sighed and took out his sword. "Well then. Come on barbarian."
Captain Blackadder was simply over powered by his opponent. He taunted the Captain as he kept on dodging the attack.
"Aww.. Close. Aww. Almost"
Captain started panting, while his opponent energetically fought, slowly cornering the Captain.
"YARGH!!"
Suddenly the attacker smashed down his wooden stick at Blackadders head.
The Captain accidentally used his sword to block it.
Captain Blackadders sword broke in half, and the stick got his head anyway.
"Should've dodged." the attacker pitifully looked at the dying man. "Lets end your misery"
The attacker smacked the Captain in the head, this time getting it without any obstacles.
Captain Blackadder was no more
.................................................................................................... ...........
Not as large as yesterdays group, but the group of 5 was enough for anyone.
Tonights prey was Cecil.
"Are you hear to arrest me?" calmly asked Cecil. "If so, your dead wrong because I've done nothing wrong."
"Lying doesn't do you any good Cecil. If you want to live with honour, then better not to tell a lie." said one of the attacker. "
Cecil laughed. "What difference does it make? Lying or not, I'm still a dead Samurai"
Cecil drew his sword in a desperate attempt to live on. Attackers also drew their Katanas, slowly surrounding the man.
Battle was quickly over, Cecil was no more.
.................................................................................................... ..............
Chimpyang was patrolling the outside. As he turned the alley to the left, he noticed someone standing behind him.
Immediately noticing the danger, Chimpyang drew out his sword. Despite Chimpyangs action, his opponent didn't seem to be bothered.
He slowly drew out his sword and copied Chimpyangs form.
Chimpyang was one of the few man in the castle who have actually killed an man before. Thus he was one of the better swords man.
But after a few exchange of sword with this opponent, he knew he was about to get defeated.
Minute later, the attacker left. Leaving the cold corpse of Chimpyang.
"Not bad, but still weak" said the attacker. He sadly smiled and bowed to the dead man.
Chimpyang is no more
.................................................................................................... ...
Kagemusha was on a small holiday. He havn't been to any meeting or to patrols.
Kagemusha was perfectly safe in his favourite place... The library.
Except someone seemed to have thoght that Kagemusha is the traitor.
"Kage. I've been looking for you. Your the traitor aren't you?"
Kage only said no. He went back to searching for books.
The attacker drew out his sword and shouted "Take your sword out!!"
Kagemusha sighed and took out his Wakisashi with his uninjured arm. He took a glance at the attacker and sighed again.
"I can't win this. Can I ask you for a massive favour?" asked Kagemusha.
"To your enemies?" giggled the attacker. "Fine. Ask."
"Can you do the 介錯 (Kaishaku) for me?"
With that Kagemusha shoved in the Wakisashi on his own stomach.
Just before Kagemusha started to groan in agony, the attacker moved swiftly to cut off his head.
Successful Seppuku. The attacker bowed in respect.
Kagemusha is no more
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God Emperor was still recovering from his defeat in the duel.
When a visitor came over.
"Aww please.. What now?"
"Hello God Emperor... Remember me?"
"No. Friend or foe?"
"Foe"
God Emperor sighed and prepared to be killed.
"Well who are you?"
"Its me.. A Samurai."
"And what did I do to you to deserve this?"
"Well in my previous life... I was a legendary dwarf legionnaire."
"Dwarf legionnaire? I don't remember that...."
"You don't remember the fact that you don't owe me 20 gold pieces!!?? SINNER!! SINNER MUST BE KILLED!!"
"Umm... What?"
The attacker skipped at God Emperor, using a rather unusual form.
God Emperor who have lost the will to fight, simply waited for him to end the misery.
On his last breath God Emperor said.
"I remember now... About the 20 gold pieces.... Come collect in the next life..."
God Emperor is no more
...........................................................................................
"Kitou san? Where is Lord Naritsugu?"
"Umm... Away." answered Kitou.
Kitou knew exactly where he was. Local farming area, to find a pretty girl.
If only the rebels knew about it, Naritsugu could be dead 5 or 6 times already.
But only Kitou knew.
"Let us start the discussion before he get back." said Kitou
Players 16/28
pevergreen
secura
Glenn
Classical Hero
Diamondeye
Yaropolk (Musashi!)
Beskar
Sasaki Kojiro (Playing as Sasaki Kojiro)
Seon
Skooma Addict
YLC
Reenk Roink
autolycus
slashandburn
Nightbringer
Csargo
Lynched 2/28
Romanic
Subotan
Killed 10/28
Renata
Chaotix
robbiecon
Lord of Lent
Askthepizzaguy
God Emperor
Kagemusha
Chimpyang
Cecil XIX
Captain Blackadder
Start day 4
We need to find those who are stronger that a 3 so we should be proposing duels.
Right, quite a few kills last nigh, however I've come across various pieces of information in addition to what I already know and will attempt to put together an idea of what occured over the night.
Firstly, slashandburn killed Captain Blackadder; this was at my request, with pever's blessing, based upon Pizza's suspicions before he found out about his death.
Secondly, we have the Cecil XIX kill; that was a co-ordinated vigilante attack based on a few suspicions, although there were supposed to be eight members and only five bothered to turn up... I know the identity of four of them (one of which was me, the other three confirmed their kill order was sent), so can the final person get back to me as to who they were? And can the rest get in touch and explain why they didn't act? I know I'm not as 'cool' as Pizza, but come on! ¬_¬
The Chimpyang kill, I'm not certain; I've been told that he chose to attack slashandburn with classical_hero last night and it may have gone awry, but I can't be certain. Perhaps classical could clear the matter up?
I have been informed that Kagemusha was killed by autolycus, who was one of the attackers of slashandburn the previous night. The question is, why target Kagemusha when he was easily beaten by Sasaki and thus highly likely to be a townie? Some explaination required.
And finally, the God Emperor kill; the killer mentions my mafia game from the summer and something that occured within that game... the killer can only be Reenk Roink. However, Reenk's been 'sponsored' by Lord Naritsugu, so should be considered off-limits until he decides otherwise. :/
:yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
:smitten:
I believe I've ascertained which three vigilantes failed to act, and I'll approach them privately to clear things up.
Currently, I believe that autolycus warrants the most scrutiny for the Kagemusha attack.
vote:autolycus
However, I think we have to cut the vig groups now. A feature of the game is that when the vig groups are out, there is that much less defense of pever. What's the average townie level? 1 or 2?
Additionally--kage had asked to be replaced, which is definitely a town tell from him, and he was being replaced by pizza, who the mafia fear.Quote:
I have been informed that Kagemusha was killed by autolycus, who was one of the attackers of slashandburn the previous night. The question is, why target Kagemusha when he was easily beaten by Sasaki and thus highly likely to be a townie? Some explaination required.
I'll be reducing the vig group for the following night to keep more protection on Naritsugu; the average townie strength actually seems to be 1.
My gut reaction when I'd seen that Kagemusha had died was that it was specifically a mafia attack to keep Pizza out of the game; if my source regarding the killer is correct, then it was definitely autolycus. Bit of a low move no matter who it is, though.
I think he deserves a chance to explain, rather than let a runaway bandwagon go... but vote: autolycus in the meantime.
I had been planning on going after slashandburn again because I don't like neutrals, I asked my colleagues on my vig squad if there was someone else they felt we should go after instead. Classical_hero sent a message back suggesting "kege", which I interpreted to be kagemusha, so I changed my target. Are we allowed to post PMs from other players in this game? If so, I'm happy to post the message from classical_hero. There's your explanation. I'll vote:csargo, for the moment.
slashandburn's trustworthy because he was given a target to kill and he followed through with it, so he's worth keeping around for as long as he is cooperative.
The rules don't mention PMs from other players, so it's probably fair game to post them in-thread; either way, we need to get the Kagemusha kill cleared up, it's a pretty scummy choice to make for a vigilante attack.
On an additional note, I'm not certain that Lord Naritsugu will approve of a vote against Csargo. :embarassed:
Here you go.
If the boss wants csargo around, so be it. Unvote; csargo. Do you know what our lord thinks of vote:nightbringer.Quote:
Originally Posted by classical_hero
I would probably reel the vig groups in, there's plenty of suspect evidence already out there. But who watches the watchmen? Sounds like I got wiped too.
classical_hero, what did you do last night? You suggested kage, but weren't there with me attacking kage, nor were you attacking slashandburn. So what were you doing?
I was busy last night (in RL) and I had not heard anything so I just thought it might have been better to do nothing for the night and see the leads we have.
vote: autolycus there was no need to kill a confirmed low strength person.
duel: Yaropolk vs Reenk Roink enough of this RR vs RR challenge - how strong are you really?
If your going to blame someone, then blame me not autolycus.
Okay :)Quote:
Originally Posted by classical_hero
Vote: classical Hero
Duel: Yaropolk vs. slashandburnQuote:
Originally Posted by Yaropolk
Vote: classical hero
Back off buddy
Reenk is spoken for by pevergreen himself, i don't see why you need to see how strong he is so much!Quote:
Originally Posted by Yaropolk
vote:yarapolk
This is not a statement I would expect classical to make as scum.Quote:
Originally Posted by classical_hero
Do you really believe this behavior makes sense from a mafia?
:laugh4: :2thumbsup: So good.Quote:
God Emperor was still recovering from his defeat in the duel.
When a visitor came over.
"Aww please.. What now?"
"Hello God Emperor... Remember me?"
"No. Friend or foe?"
"Foe"
God Emperor sighed and prepared to be killed.
"Well who are you?"
"Its me.. A Samurai."
"And what did I do to you to deserve this?"
"Well in my previous life... I was a legendary dwarf legionnaire."
"Dwarf legionnaire? I don't remember that...."
"You don't remember the fact that you don't owe me 20 gold pieces!!?? SINNER!! SINNER MUST BE KILLED!!"
"Umm... What?"
The attacker skipped at God Emperor, using a rather unusual form.
God Emperor who have lost the will to fight, simply waited for him to end the misery.
On his last breath God Emperor said.
"I remember now... About the 20 gold pieces.... Come collect in the next life..."
Although God Emperor is not the only one who didn't give me 20 gold...
I would watch the accusations if I were you. :stare: You are already treading on thin ice as is, as both myself and the champion of Lord pever are wary of your leadership, especially this business of leaving Lord pever open by wasting an insane amount of Samurai on poorly thought out vig kills. This is indeed why the first among the two of us had the previous organizer slain, and it was not a Mafia kill as you erroneously thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
I will not hide my pleasure at the way the killer slew God Emperor, it was a long time coming, but perhaps you should consider the possibility that I was framed rather than be of a one-track mind.
:stwmean: You must search deep and ask yourself this question: would I really use my position with Lord pever to go and carry out murders based on motives from a past life with impunity?
The presumptuousness of this one! And his attempts at hindering my path to self-betterment! :stare: Vote: YaropolkQuote:
Originally Posted by Yaropolk
If I am strong, then my strength is due to and reserved for our Lord. If I am weak, then I don't need to be strong with our Lord on my side. :bow:
Duel: Reenk vs. Reenk :stwshame: It is time now, correct my Lord?
Thank you Nightbringer, your earlier transgression is forgotten. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightbringer
:bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
Yes, you would. :tongue2:Quote:
You must search deep and ask yourself this question: would I really use my position with Lord pever to go and carry out murders based on motives from a past life with impunity?
:laugh4: you just wont let it go Reenk
anyway I fine with my death in this game; I was completely useless to everyone and everything with a strength of zero
If I had not intervened then it would have been slashandburn we would have gone after instead.
Where did you see pever speaking for Reenk? All I've seen is the usual pever-reenk smileys that they will do even if their goals are to kill each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightbringer
:stare:Quote:
Originally Posted by Yaropolk
Reenk, I know that you die early quite often in mafia games these days, and I know that you rarely sign up unless the concept of the game entices you enough... but is this really the way to play? Other players in the role of Naritsugu wouldn't tolerate this, but it seems that because it's pever, you're allowed to literally get away with murder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
You cannot basically admit to killing God Emperor and then tell me not to accuse you of doing just that; it's obvious to anyone with half a brain cell that you're the killer, given the context of the narrative surrounding the kill.
Nor can you claim that myself or Pizza made poorly thought out vigilante kill choices when you have killed two people with zero strength. What was the reason for killing Pizza? And why the Dickens would you sanction such a move, pever?!
You and I both know that the close bond with pevergreen could be the perfect cover for a mafioso to hide under, and yet we're not allowed to touch you because pevergreen specifically says so? Even if you're not mafia, it's still foolish because you killed two town-aligned voters and ensured that the mafia weren't able to waste a kill on them... that's a bad choice in both regards.
The peverreenk thing was real cute and everything, and I was fine with supporting it and leaving you be... but I will not tolerate being threatened with death for actually trying to lead the town and keep the game going in some direction. I also won't stand for someone killing people who're basically proven to be town simply for gits and shiggles.
I also refuse to support a nepotist for a leader, because his intentions are not even remotely altruistic and are only counter-productive to a town victory. While we require pevergreen to survive the game in order to win, we can do that while ignoring what he says because he could well be (unknowingly) vetoing votes against mafia for all we know.
Someone has to make a stand, and since you killed Pizza, it's going to have to be me. I will lose the game if I die, so it doesn't matter either way; I'll still have my integrity because I distanced myself from this utterly silly manner in which you're approaching the game.
unvote, vote: Reenk Roink
@Yaropolk: pever spoke for Reenk (and Csargo) privately to me... they were not to be involved in any actions I organised at night, either as a participant or as a target. He basically vouched for them in asking me not to have them attacked. :/
@God Emperor: you were not useless, as you still held a vote to be used during the day time and you were still a potential target for the mafia to attack... wasting a kill on you means they are not attacking bigger targets.
4/01/2011 9:44:39 PM Beefy pever hey pever
4/01/2011 9:49:21 PM pever Beefy hey beefy
4/01/2011 9:50:07 PM Beefy pever just a sec
4/01/2011 9:52:35 PM Beefy pever sorry i'm back
4/01/2011 9:53:03 PM Beefy pever so its going to be awesome role hopefully but its going to be hard work for you
4/01/2011 9:53:10 PM pever Beefy im up to it :D
4/01/2011 9:53:35 PM Beefy pever your identity will be publicly announced
4/01/2011 9:54:13 PM Beefy pever you will have to coordinate all the towns info and moves
4/01/2011 9:54:55 PM Beefy pever and you'll have to role play brutal guy who likes surprise [removed two words for gameroom policy, but it basically 'in the rear with the gear') and killing
4/01/2011 9:55:06 PM pever Beefy hahaha
4/01/2011 9:55:16 PM pever Beefy really think that will be hard for me? :P
4/01/2011 9:55:23 PM Beefy pever awesome
4/01/2011 9:55:40 PM pever Beefy ^_^
4/01/2011 9:58:02 PM pever Beefy so basically, i'm just the co-ordinator and main target for the mafia
4/01/2011 9:58:17 PM Beefy pever yup
4/01/2011 9:59:26 PM pever Beefy now lets just hope Reenk plays
4/01/2011 9:59:27 PM pever Beefy :D
4/01/2011 10:00:01 PM Beefy pever pever reenk ey? :D
4/01/2011 10:00:06 PM pever Beefy peverreenk indeed.
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Secura
Then what's the point in the playing the game if you're capable of lynching anyone you want?
Factor in that dying means instant defeat, and this game's looking alot less fun than it did at the outset.
18/01/2011 9:17:26 AM Askthepizzaguy pever So, our votes are indeed sillyQuote:
Originally Posted by Secura
18/01/2011 9:17:29 AM Askthepizzaguy pever you choose the lynch
18/01/2011 9:17:51 AM pever Askthepizzaguy i can not choose, and leave it to the votes
18/01/2011 9:18:01 AM pever Askthepizzaguy and im hardly going to pick a lynch for every day
18/01/2011 9:18:18 AM pever Askthepizzaguy if i was sasaki or something, and i could tell who was who
18/01/2011 9:18:20 AM pever Askthepizzaguy i would
18/01/2011 9:18:28 AM pever Askthepizzaguy but im pever, bad at townie
18/01/2011 9:18:37 AM pever Askthepizzaguy subotan cannot go unpunished though.
edit ugh
That doesn't mean jack; if you don't like the way a lynch looks, you can have it go your way regardless of everyone else's opinion. That does lead to nepotism.
I'm actually fine with you vouching for Reenk, if you say he's town then fair enough... but what I'm not okay with is the killing of Pizza/God Emperor who were no threat to anyone. I'm also not okay with being told that I should watch my accusations lest I follow suit.
How is that conducive to town victory? Pizza and I can be slated for the coordinated vigilante attacks, but at least they were potential suspects and overall unknown quantities. >.<
As for slashandburn, he was offered a choice by Beefy; become town, become mafia or remain neutral... he chose the cause of Lord Naritsugu.
good thing you are around Secura.. you are awesome !:thumbsup: seriously.
Keep up the good work :beam:
Ugh, forgot that Slash was the SK. How do you know he can win with town?
He claims to have received a PM from Beefy offering him the choice of what to do; he chose to act with the town and has stated that he's only capable of winning with us now.
Since he followed the order to vig Captain Blackadder and willingly PM'd me about the choice Beefy had offered him, I'm willing to give him a little breathing space for now.
He probably can't. Coordinated vigs are the best odds of winning the game though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yaropolk
unvote, after speaking to pevergreen.
If you want vigilante attacks to stop though, you should ensure that they all stop, Naritsugu. :bow:
:yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
Well, personal feelings aside, town will be nothing but a disastrous failure if it doesn't have a single coordinated plan.
As the previous has been rejected, I can only offer support to pevergreen's plan and hope for the best, and encourage all townies to follow it exactly.
I mean all vigilante attacks, including Reenk's; this game cannot be one rule for some, another for everyone else... we'll just lose that way.
That's been what, 2 games, TAS and CoV, that I've died early. Other games I've played within the year I've lasted long, so no biggie. And in the past I've been able to survive in games when I would take a step back and say "man why didn't they lynch me for saying that or doing that?" so I'm not some sort of UltraWar victim here, don't worry. I was killed/lynched off very early frequently way back when, but that doesn't happen much now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
Very true.Quote:
and I know that you rarely sign up unless the concept of the game entices you enough...
Of course. On top of the extremely nice and novel mechanics of this game which allow for some great gameplay moves, pever is the Lord. You think I won't exploit this situation for all the fun and interesting possibilities it offers.Quote:
but is this really the way to play?
Certainly that's true, but we are not speaking of abstract hypotheticals here, we are talking about a very specific situation, so let's stick to it.Quote:
Other players in the role of Naritsugu wouldn't tolerate this, but it seems that because it's pever, you're allowed to literally get away with murder.
Besides, other players in the role of Naritsugu CERTAINLY wouldn't tolerate YOUR role in a mass vig killing group utilizing a neutral killer as well, all the while leaving pever open by using so many samurai... :wall:
So be careful of whining about the situation, k? :wink:
This is definitely a problem. How did I basically admit to killing GE? The kill writeup is suggestive of me, agreed. However, you really cannot even open your mind to the possibility that it would be crafted in such a way to frame me? This isn't some brand new idea either, it has happened many times before.Quote:
You cannot basically admit to killing God Emperor and then tell me not to accuse you of doing just that; it's obvious to anyone with half a brain cell that you're the killer, given the context of the narrative surrounding the kill.
Why can I not? Even if I had killed two people, it would still not stop me for criticizing you for killing more than two people.Quote:
Nor can you claim that myself or Pizza made poorly thought out vigilante kill choices when you have killed two people with zero strength.
The champion of pever and I wanted to send a message to the vig groups due to poor kill choices, and ESPECIALLY the amount of people used in the kills. There was also another reason for attacking Atpg, and indeed anyone who loses a duel. You will not come to know of it yet. Atpg and GE can PM me if they want to know.Quote:
What was the reason for killing Pizza?
Because it was an awesome move.Quote:
And why the Dickens would you sanction such a move, pever?!
Of course this is a possibility. What is also true and you omit is that your role as organizer of the Mafia groups is also a perfect cover for the Mafia. Much better than mine indeed, as if you are Mafia, or become converted, you have much more resources with all the samurai rabble than myself of the champion of the Lord do.Quote:
You and I both know that the close bond with pevergreen could be the perfect cover for a mafioso to hide under, and yet we're not allowed to touch you because pevergreen specifically says so?
By the way, were it not for pever disapproving, I would have certainly had you killed as soon as you started your organizations. Sasaki would also have been dead were it not for Lord pever (also think on that before you act like I had something to do with GE's death). So don't only act like your sword has been restrained by pever.
Voting doesn't matter in this game, the cannon fodder thing is the only loss, as both Atpg and GE can certainly continue to offer their insights in the thread.Quote:
Even if you're not mafia, it's still foolish because you killed two town-aligned voters and ensured that the mafia weren't able to waste a kill on them... that's a bad choice in both regards.
As compared to the blood on your hands compared to my ALLEGED hit list, you have killed more powerful townies who also have the cannon fodder attribute. Can you honestly not see beyond me for a second? :wink:
Cute? I think she is patronizing us Lord pever... :angry:Quote:
The peverreenk thing was real cute and everything,
Yes, yes, bring on the martyr complexion. :rolleyes: Like the rest of the town, including myself don't want what's best for the Lord, but of course, if it clashes with your envisioned direction, it is wrong. :wall:Quote:
and I was fine with supporting it and leaving you be... but I will not tolerate being threatened with death for actually trying to lead the town and keep the game going in some direction.
How are they any more proven townie than all the vig targets you have killed? Give me a freakin' break. :rolleyes: Besides this game features conversion. By the way the "gits and shiggles" would only be icing on the cake for our alleged kills.Quote:
I also won't stand for someone killing people who're basically proven to be town simply for gits and shiggles.
It seems to me that you are just bitter because the vigging is not going in the singular direction you want it to be. :rolleyes: TOO BAD! :laugh4: Stop vigging, and myself and the champion of the Lord will lose much of our justification as well.
Treason. Blatant treason. :laugh4: Kill please. :knight:Quote:
I also refuse to support a nepotist for a leader, because his intentions are not even remotely altruistic and are only counter-productive to a town victory. While we require pevergreen to survive the game in order to win, we can do that while ignoring what he says because he could well be (unknowingly) vetoing votes against mafia for all we know.
I can't believe the irony is completely lost on you here. What is utterly silly is the way you have managed the vig kills. Our actions serve as a caricature of yours, with an attempted pedagogical purpose, but you are simply blinded by your weird sense of principles, and what seems like a mix of jealousy, bitterness, and lack of total control. :laugh4:Quote:
Someone has to make a stand, and since you killed Pizza, it's going to have to be me. I will lose the game if I die, so it doesn't matter either way; I'll still have my integrity because I distanced myself from this utterly silly manner in which you're approaching the game.
Unvote, Vote: SecuraQuote:
unvote, vote: Reenk Roink
vote: Reenk Roink :stare:
That's the POINT of the game. Beefy made it clear who the Lord was before signups ended. That is the role, whoever has it. You just seem bitter because things aren't going exactly your way in everything, even though Lord pever has been nice enough to invest in you a great deal of power anyway. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
Atpg was the organizer of the largest vig group. He was a direct threat to townies (and Mafia as well of course, but more likely townies), and furthermore, his horde policy was a threat to pever. You continue that policy.Quote:
but what I'm not okay with is the killing of Pizza/God Emperor who were no threat to anyone. I'm also not okay with being told that I should watch my accusations lest I follow suit.
Who were your vig targets a threat to? Your power? :rolleyes: They touched off your scumdar? :rolleyes:
:laugh4: The sheer high-falutin' nature of your justification just adds more absurdity to this situation. I like it. :beam:Quote:
How is that conducive to town victory? Pizza and I can be slated for the coordinated vigilante attacks, but at least they were potential suspects and overall unknown quantities. >.<
Wow, do you not see how easy it is to infiltrate your group if "following orders" is the way to go. SK's need to kill people, why wouldn't he just listen to you and kill for you? Not to mention the point about your suspects and unknowns that was made earlier. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
I really hope you understand what the second clause of your post is saying, and do some deep introspection. Because unfortunately, given your other posts, it seems to me you probably have completely missed the point and only see it as some jab at a perceived nepotism of pever towards me.Quote:
I mean all vigilante attacks, including Reenk's; this game cannot be one rule for some, another for everyone else... we'll just lose that way.
And yet pevergreen passed on all of Pizza's information to me and endorsed the vigilante killings, simply asking that I not involve or target two specific people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
It depends on the player in the role, but you'reutilisingabusing the position of pevergreen to your own ends; if pevergreen doesn't like the vigilante attacks, which he has already stated, then they stop, it's as simple as that.
So you're honestly saying that it's a set-up?Quote:
This is definitely a problem. How did I basically admit to killing GE? The kill writeup is suggestive of me, agreed. However, you really cannot even open your mind to the possibility that it would be crafted in such a way to frame me?
While I don't buy it personally, I'm not going to dismiss it as a possibility; if that's the case, you're either talking about someone who played the game (Beskar, autolycus, Skooma Addict are ones that I can recall) or you're suggesting me as the perpetrator.
Because it's hypocrisy! You're criticising me for "poor vig choices" and yet you have made equally poor ones yourself!Quote:
Why can I not? Even if I had killed two people, it would still not stop me for criticizing you for killing more than two people.
In what sense were they poor kill choices? I'm willing to listen to what you have to say here.Quote:
The champion of pever and I wanted to send a message to the vig groups due to poor kill choices, and ESPECIALLY the amount of people used in the kills.
It was a completely foolish move, Reenk.Quote:
Because it was an awesome move.
Yeah, sure, organising vigilante attacks is a decent cover as well, but since I'm certain of my own innocence, why mention something that isn't a possibility?Quote:
Of course this is a possibility. What is also true and you omit is that your role as organizer of the Mafia groups is also a perfect cover for the Mafia. Much better than mine indeed, as if you are Mafia, or become converted, you have much more resources with all the samurai rabble than myself of the champion of the Lord do.
"Much better" is subjective, by the way; pevergreen's expressed that we shouldn't touch you whatsoever, basically... you cannot get any better than being vouched for on the basis of "Reenk would never lie to me!".
I still fail to see how acting like this is conducive to a town victory.Quote:
By the way, were it not for pever disapproving, I would have certainly had you killed as soon as you started your organizations. Sasaki would also have been dead were it not for Lord pever.
I wouldn't have agreed with this statement earlier today, but having learned that pevergreen can veto any lynch he wants, I find I have to agree... voting's pretty useless.Quote:
Voting doesn't matter in this game, the cannon fodder thing is the only loss, as both Atpg and GE can certainly continue to offer their insights in the thread.
More powerful townies how? There's no evidence as to whether they had one strength or five, and while Pizza/God Emperor had zero strength, they were contributing more than the three targets killed by coordinated attacks.Quote:
As compared to the blood on your hands compared to my ALLEGED hit list, you have killed more powerful townies who also have the cannon fodder attribute.
So, basically... you're allowed to threaten me with death, which let's not forget means I will lose no matter the game's outcome, and I'm supposed to be okay with that?Quote:
Yes, yes, bring on the martyr complexion. :rolleyes: Like the rest of the town, including myself don't want what's best for the Lord, but of course, if it clashes with your envisioned direction, it is wrong. :wall:
That makes no sense whatsoever.
So you're disputing that Pizza and God Emperor were town?Quote:
How are they any more proven townie than all the vig targets you have killed? Give me a freakin' break.
Hahaha! It doesn't have anything to do with bitterness or anything puerile like that; I can't believe you'd degenerate a good argument by resorting to stuff like that?Quote:
It seems to me that you are just bitter because the vigging is not going in the singular direction you want it to be. :rolleyes: TOO BAD!
We're playing for a town victory, not a peverreenk victory.Quote:
Treason. Blatant treason. :laugh4: Kill please. :knight:
If this favouritism rubbish continues, what's the point in even following what pever says? We make a conscious lynch decision, he can override it on the slightest whim.
I'm playing to win the game with pever, not in spite of him.
I'm not certain what you're trying to say here; what's the problem with the way that the vig-kills have been managed? I'm doing exactly what Pizza did, following his instructions to the letter and yet did you take him to task for it?Quote:
I can't believe the irony is completely lost on you here. What is utterly silly is the way you have managed the vig kills. Our actions serve as a caricature of yours, with an attempted pedagogical purpose, but you are simply blinded by your weird sense of principles, and what seems like a mix of jealousy, bitterness, and lack of total control. :laugh4:
Oh yes, that's right! You killed him instead!
And what the hell is this "jealousy, bitterness and lack of control" tripe about, apart from descending into slating me personally again?
If you really want to lynch me or vig-kill me, go for it... hell, get pever to override the lynch and do it for you, saves you the votes then.Quote:
Unvote, Vote: Secura
:bow:
I'd vote RR again if I could out of principle. I wouldn't be sad to see him lynched today.
That said; Vigilante crew (formerly ATPG's guys), want to break RR tonight? I think we can take him if we're 8.
:laugh4: slash claims to have received a role that means he now works with the town?
unvote, vote:slashandburn
I suppose if reenk ends up lynched we will see if pever can choose the lynch after all.
I'm afraid that this is a wasted vote, Diamondeye; you cannot lynch Reenk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamondeye
Again you resort to calling me bitter for no reason; it's a forum-based game, Reenk... I've got more important things to be bitter about like my sub-par financial situation, men thinking they can treat-me-mean-keep-me-keen or the fact I have to pay three times the money to complete my last year of university than I did the first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
The point of this game, or any game for that matter, is fun; is it fun to discuss and vote, come to some sort of agreement and go ahead for the lynch... only for someone to be able to overturn it? Would you not be pissed if I constantly prevented everyone from lynching my friends?
I don't understand this whatsoever; "horde policy", "a threat to pever"?! pevergreen was fine with what Pizza was doing!Quote:
Atpg was the organizer of the largest vig group. He was a direct threat to townies (and Mafia as well of course, but more likely townies), and furthermore, his horde policy was a threat to pever. You continue that policy.
Yes, they were a huge threat to me, a weak kunoichi; I was ever so afraid of them. :rolleyes:Quote:
Who were your vig targets a threat to? Your power? :rolleyes: They touched off your scumdar? :rolleyes:
You say this as though I haven't remotely considered it!Quote:
Wow, do you not see how easy it is to infiltrate your group if "following orders" is the way to go. SK's need to kill people, why wouldn't he just listen to you and kill for you? Not to mention the point about your suspects and unknowns that was made earlier. :rolleyes:
I've seen serial killers play the good cop role with the town only to backstab them in the end, it happens. I didn't specifically state that slashandburn should be trusted until the end of the game, merely that he should be given a little breathing space for now, in my own opinion.
Yup. And am I complaining loudly about pever's nepotism towards you? the point of that reply was to show that your statement of "had pever not been Lord you couldn't do what I accuse you of doing" applies to you as well. That's it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
We feel the same way about you, to be sure.Quote:
It depends on the player in the role, but you'reutilisingabusing the position of pevergreen to your own ends;
Yup. Same here, and you act as if pever has let me do everything I want. I bring the example of Sasaki again...Quote:
if pevergreen doesn't like the vigilante attacks, which he has already stated, then they stop, it's as simple as that.
Honestly, call me whatever, I love to spar, but stop talking crap about pever when you don't even have the full inside information. Has it ever occurred to you that there was a bigger reason to protect the two names he gave you than just pevereenk or whatever? Has it ever occurred to you that I have told pever everything I know just as you, and am either making or not making my moves on his command as well.
It could very well be those people, or yourself. Also people read games who don't play them, and I made mention of the 20 gold thing in CoV as well.Quote:
While I don't buy it personally, I'm not going to dismiss it as a possibility; if that's the case, you're either talking about someone who played the game (Beskar, autolycus, Skooma Addict are ones that I can recall) or you're suggesting me as the perpetrator.
YES! Now you get it! By the way, hypocrisy doesn't really preclude one from criticizing, though it does lessen to value of it in many cases. A smoker can tell his kid not to smoke for example. One of the major points of the Atpg kill which we both agreed upon, was to show how dumb the vig kills were. Also you gotta admit it is pretty ironic and mildly entertaining that a guy who is commanding a horde was killed easily by one person. :beam:Quote:
Because it's hypocrisy! You're criticising me for "poor vig choices" and yet you have made equally poor ones yourself!
If you really want to know another reason here it is. While killing a 0 strength player would make one less kill for the Mafia, a 0 strength player very importantly adds nothing to the defense of pever. We were thinking, Atpg has just organized a huge number of people against what is probably an innocent. He isn't valuable to the defense of pever either. Another rationalization for attacking him is that should the attack fail, then the guy quite clearly was not a 1 strength townie, and this would be exposed immediately. At the risk of not too big a loss of a 0 strength townie. Atpg will continue to help town after his death anyway.
In what sense were ours of Atpg, after what you have read above? By the way, take this to PM, because some sensitive information may be leaked.Quote:
In what sense were they poor kill choices? I'm willing to listen to what you have to say here.
I'm certain of my innocence as well Secura. Furthermore, given how nice pever has been to me this game, I have an EXTREMELY low incentive to betray him. This is like the opposite of Shadow Fort when he was being cold to me, which held me off from investigating him as a recruit. You on the other hand have said some quite treasonous things. :wink:Quote:
Yeah, sure, organising vigilante attacks is a decent cover as well, but since I'm certain of my own innocence, why mention something that isn't a possibility?
I wouldn't, especially in the case I am in right now, betray pever at all. In Pirate Ship Mafia, I was initially going to betray TinCow because he annoyed the heck out of me with his "I like to play cautious stop forcing my hand thing." But after a while, and all of the help he gave me which he didn't have to, and how fun it was to play with him, I wouldn't even consider backstabbing him. Same way with pever. Even more so I guess.Quote:
"Much better" is subjective, by the way; pevergreen's expressed that we shouldn't touch you whatsoever, basically... you cannot get any better than being vouched for on the basis of "Reenk would never lie to me!".
This has been with the combination of Beefy's mechanic and writing, and pever being the Lord, the best game I have played in a long time, why should I ruin the good thing I have going? Don't worry though, I doubt I'll be playing many games in the foreseeable future so this is the only one you have to deal with this with.
Sasaki is very powerful, at least a strength 3. Also, knowing Sasaki, he would be a likely one to jump ship and join Mafia. I honestly would want him dead today, but pever has refused two times before. So be it. As for you, same reason as for Atpg. Moreso even.Quote:
I still fail to see how acting like this is conducive to a town victory.
Because they had 1 strength. Obviously we know Atpg had 0 as a 1 strength attacker was sent to him. I know nothing about GE, but 0 seems like a decent guess. A 1 strength townie adds to pever's defense, especially if he's not doing anything. A zero strength doesn't. Simple. Atpg can certainly continue to help us in death, as can GE.Quote:
More powerful townies how? There's no evidence as to whether they had one strength or five, and while Pizza/God Emperor had zero strength, they were contributing more than the three targets killed by coordinated attacks.
Come on, you know how I operate. If I could do more than just THREATEN you with death, then I would leave out that step. See Atpg. Lord pever has declared you off limits. I am respecting that. not to mention that you are voting for me and threatening me in some way as well. :rolleyes: It's part of the banter, I suggest you enjoy it a bit. :smiley:Quote:
So, basically... you're allowed to threaten me with death, which let's not forget means I will lose no matter the game's outcome, and I'm supposed to be okay with that?
That makes no sense whatsoever.
No, how did you infer that from my statement? Atpg is almost certainly town, or was a 1 strength mafia which doesn't make too much sense. I don't know much about GE, but he was probably town given the writeup that showed he was too weak to fight back.Quote:
So you're disputing that Pizza and God Emperor were town?
Are you disputing that who you killed were town?
You did seem bitter, because essentially, you came off as very upset that we would be operating in a vig group outside your jurisdiction and killing people yo didn't want killed. Well, we could say the same thing about your kill choices. In fact, that was kinda the point of it all.Quote:
Hahaha! It doesn't have anything to do with bitterness or anything puerile like that; I can't believe you'd degenerate a good argument by resorting to stuff like that?
Yeah, who said we're playing for a pevereenk victory but you? here are the victory conditions, you should know them if you're a townie :inquisitive:, but here they are:Quote:
We're playing for a town victory, not a peverreenk victory.
Reenk Roink
Town
Strength: 5
Greetings Reenk Roink. You are one of the few friend pevergreen has. Well not sure about what pevergreen thinks of you, but you think he is anyway. Your job is to protect pevergreen
Major Victory: Two original mafia killed and pevergreen survives 15 night phases
Minor Victory: pevergreen survives 15 night phases
Minor Defeat: pevergreen dies
Major Defeat: Failure to survive
I was thinking almost the same thing in whats the point with you running around with your behind the scenes notes and talk, killing who you see is bad. I'm not trying to be mean here, but this is how the game works, pever calls the shots. :shrug:Quote:
If this favouritism rubbish continues, what's the point in even following what pever says? We make a conscious lynch decision, he can override it on the slightest whim.
Same.Quote:
I'm playing to win the game with pever, not in spite of him.
Yes, we certainly don't like when who are most likely 1 strength townies who aren't leaving pever to dry by just default protecting him are killed. We see it as a much larger violation than killing a 0 strength townie who was actually directing vig kills and leaving pever open. You may disagree, but we definitely feel we have the stronger case.Quote:
I'm not certain what you're trying to say here; what's the problem with the way that the vig-kills have been managed? I'm doing exactly what Pizza did, following his instructions to the letter and yet did you take him to task for it?
Oh yes, that's right! You killed him instead!
Come on, arguing with Atpg is time consuming. Can you at least give us points for efficiency? :beam:
You really did seem to portray that in your posts. I may be wrong and you were just a merely outraged townie at my threat, but that's what I thought. Sorry if I was wrong. :shrug:Quote:
And what the hell is this "jealousy, bitterness and lack of control" tripe about, apart from descending into slating me personally again?
But look at his threat to kill me in the night! I'm sure you will argue as ferociously against it as you did me. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
Anyone who kills me will not survive the game by the way. There are two of us. And Lord pever. :bow:
Again, I'm sorry, and it's not namecalling in intent at least, but you really do seem bitter, even in this post. Again, THIS IS THE POINT OF THE GAME. You really seem pissed about it. And to be honest, I probably wouldn't have joined this game had pever not told me that he got the role of the Lord.Quote:
Again you resort to calling me bitter for no reason; it's a forum-based game, Reenk... I've got more important things to be bitter about like my sub-par financial situation, men thinking they can treat-me-mean-keep-me-keen or the fact I have to pay three times the money to complete my last year of university than I did the first.
The point of this game, or any game for that matter, is fun; is it fun to discuss and vote, come to some sort of agreement and go ahead for the lynch... only for someone to be able to overturn it? Would you not be pissed if I constantly prevented everyone from lynching my friends?
Not that it matters now, you've basically have a mutiny on your hands, and pever and you if you want wont stop it.
Lord pever is a very generous ruler, who treats his subjects with a light hand. His bickering subjects on the other hand... :laugh4:Quote:
I don't understand this whatsoever; "horde policy", "a threat to pever"?! pevergreen was fine with what Pizza was doing!
The point is pretty simple though Secura, if a lot of people are out killing at night, pever's defense drops for every one of them. I really can't see how this principle can be argued.
I would have s&b killed ASAP. Say you got another 8 people running around tonight to kill me, then s&b might want to take a shot at pever, as do the Mafia. Perhaps they overcome his defense at that point?Quote:
You say this as though I haven't remotely considered it!
I've seen serial killers play the good cop role with the town only to backstab them in the end, it happens. I didn't specifically state that slashandburn should be trusted until the end of the game, merely that he should be given a little breathing space for now, in my own opinion.
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Originally Posted by Diamondeye