Makes sense to me. If I'm not a citizen of another sovereign nation, I do not live, reside, nor am visiting it, and said nation attempts to apply legal actions or edicts upon me, I'd ignore them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
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Makes sense to me. If I'm not a citizen of another sovereign nation, I do not live, reside, nor am visiting it, and said nation attempts to apply legal actions or edicts upon me, I'd ignore them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
He's Norwegian.
What strange creatures...
I think Horetore is perfectly aware that he's Norwegian, that is why he feels he should testify when summoned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
For goodness' sake man, "Fjordman" is called in by the defense, not the prosecution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
I know that and it doesn't matter, nobody wants to see Breivik released after all. This shouldn't become a political trial. I fully understand Fjordman ain't playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viking
Of course it matters. It is Breivik that wants "Fjordman" in court in order to improve his defense. That's only reason that "Fjordman" may end up summoned.
That is not what I read but alas I'm not from Norway, if so it's not that badQuote:
Originally Posted by Viking
That would be bliss for me. I would gladly take solitary confinement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
He's anti-Islamic, yet studied in a predominantly Islamic country. I don't know what to say. There is the chance that his anti-Islamic sentiment was sparked by his experiences in Cairo, but I doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
One of the most well known criticasters of islam in the Netherlands is also an arabist (Professor Hans Jansen). Even Hax will comfirm that he knows his stuff. I hope.
Edit, this is funny only for Dutchies, teh professor pwning a hissing gutmensch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypZF...e_gdata_player
Needs saying that he isn't like Fjordman at all who is also way too extreme for my tastes
Yes, Hans Jansen is (or was) basically a great Arabist. The thing is that the way he left Leiden University has set some blood between him and some other professors here. I've talked with several of his (ex-)colleagues and students, which is a pretty interesting story in its own right, but they've all said that apparently, something in him just snapped at some point. They're not quite sure why, but I've heard from I think one of his ex-girlfriends that he always used to love the spotlight. Apparently, he told his ex-colleague Nico Kaptein that he likes being recognised in the supermarket so he can jump ahead in line. Oh well.
A blogger and a scholar isn't exactly the same thing. Does Jensen display an anti-Islamic attitude? It doesn't seem like it. Fjordman, on the other hand, is different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Fjordman is an extremist he wants all muslims deported, Jansen just says what's what and warns about islam. Which is a mighty good idea. Certainly a difference. I don't think they feel all that differently about islam but Jansen understands that most muslims only care about what is for dinner.Quote:
Originally Posted by spankythehippo
Oh yay postcount +1
Then again, Jansen and Ellian said some pretty nasty stuff about other professors here in Leiden. I don't know why.
Academia can be extremely vicious - it is possible none of the things you heard about Jansen are true, it can be that bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hax
I'm not passing judgement, I'm just saying.
Ellian was tortured in an iranian basement and Jansen gets deaththreats from the extreme left on daily bases because he testified in the Wilders trial, they have very little patience with any political correctness. And I Like that. University of Leiden doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hax
What you perceive as political incorrectness could also be a lack of academic integrity. Which would not be a strange thing coming from Jansen, as he's been behaving the last couple of years.
To clarify: the lecturer Jansen was talking about is an Iranian-born professor of literature (whose name I'd rather not mention directly). He isn't even politically active, he's not a practicing Muslim and doesn't have to say anything about Islam, apart from analysing Ayatollah Khomeini's love poetry. So yeah, that was a bit odd.
Jansen retired some few years ago, I don't know if you knew that.Quote:
Academia can be extremely vicious - it is possible none of the things you heard about Jansen are true, it can be that bad.
Let me say that they didn't start it. He wasn't thrown out, he wasn't expelled, he actually retired quite peacefully. I think he's still giving some lectures from time to time.
Fragony, let me direct this personally to you, as you can understand Dutch. Here is a video of my professor of Arabic grammar debating with Dyab Abu Jahja, the local creep from the Arab-European League, about the subject of the Danish cartoons. Listen to what he has to say.
Only Norwegians(and those currently residing here) are bound by Norwegian law. We can't extend court orders over the border.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
A lot of people were mentioned, yes frags. So, that explains why a lot of people have been called as witnesses. Did Frank Aarebrot have anything to do with ABB? Do they share the same ideology? No and no. Still, Aarebrot believes in the concept of fair trials, so he will honour the court order.
Fjordman/Chubbylittlecurlyhair has made it abundantly clear that he has no respect for the very foundation of western society.
I don't know Jansen at all, but I know Academia - I know about this controvosy and that Bruce Bradly can't get a job in the US: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solutrean_hypothesisQuote:
Originally Posted by Hax
Bruce's detractors don't know what he does - that the Clovian stone tools are made the same way as the earlier Solutrean ones - so close it's stupid. When you consider the extremely low insidence of something being invented twice (the wheel never really got to the Americas) the likelyhood this is a co-incidence is fairly close to none.
Despite this, Bruce was not eminent enough to weather the political storm, so now he works in the South West of England. Out benefit - their immense loss.
iPad doesn't like that link Hax, but Jansen was never very loved by his fellow professors. These guys can be meaner to eachother than a pack of breezersluts who want the same guy
Oh well, proves the stupidity of the cultural marxists yet again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Skullhead, did you watch my other link? Did you?
No. What's it about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hax
My professor of Arabic grammar discussing the Muhammad cartoons with the AEL's local creep, Abu Jahjah. I think you'd find it interesting too.
Got a youtube link? Apple machines really don't like your video, they kinda change how think about not being able to watch what every smartphone easily plays foreverQuote:
Originally Posted by Hax
Nope. Meh Apple, they will never understand that I buy a computer because I want to use it
Bunch of hipsters
Why would one even buy an apple computer?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Just a habit I guess, I already know how to use it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skullhead
Even my grandmother uses windows. It's easy. How do you even play games?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
On the playstation or when I should be working, I know how to use windows but I like iOS betterQuote:
Originally Posted by Skullhead
Nice one, Sky.
https://img825.imageshack.us/img825/8544/voldemortf.jpg
kind of funny, though.
Can someone please teach the English english
Terrorists, gotta catch 'em all.Quote:
Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name
You could be their teacher.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
What?Quote:
Can someone please teach the English english
He's talking about the screencap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
What, the lack of an "A"? I've seen worse mistakes from frag's himself.
I don't work for a multimillion news-channel. English aren't very good at their own language, what is that 's' doing behind my nick for example, reads like 'Frag his himself'. I find that sloppy. On the internet ok, but if you are being payed for it it's kinda mehQuote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
I was personally thinking more of the relevance of comparing Behring Breivik to a fictional character with magical abilites, even if a witness did the comparison. Though I now see the BBC doing the same, hah.
https://img12.imageshack.us/img12/593/voldemort2o.jpg
A different kind of quote from that story:
That guy died.Quote:
Another survivor, 18-year-old Andrine Johansen, told how a boy, Henrik Rasmussen, had thrown himself in the way of bullets meant to kill her.
I don't understand 60% of Frag's english posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
I can do even worse in DutchQuote:
Originally Posted by Skullhead
Even when speaking?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
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Originally Posted by Fragony
Speak it just fine, I will never be flawlesns in it, but I can speak English just as easily as I speak Dutch really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skullhead
That doesn't promise much good :sweatdrop:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Paid?Quote:
but if you are being payed for it it's kinda meh
Que?
If you want great English read an Irishman's writing.
I must say I am starting to have doubts about Breivik being sane
I think it is rather fair to say, when if you near the point of Brevik, something has clearly broken upstairs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Goes for the RAF as well but they were not insane. Insanity is a reason to be sentence more mildly and he doesn't deserve that. Mind you, it is not about him having a point on something, what he did has a mind of it's ownQuote:
Originally Posted by Tiaexz
Payed is still acceptable, if archaic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hax
Sad but quite true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
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Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
It's just right, 'paid' sounds differently. Did the dumbing down of language hit you as well, why do so the English are naturals
From court today, echoing similar earlier statments:
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Indepent of what the police arrives at now, it will within one year and three months be proven that I am speaking the truth. There will then be a new attack.
This is in reference to this 'Knights Templar' network/organisation, which the police doubts exists. Who knows.
He has been bluffing before though, so I won't hold my breath..
They've already struck, in Mexico: http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012...rtels-cheetos/Quote:
Originally Posted by Viking
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
A bit cheezy, I know.
It wouldn't surprise me if it's actually realQuote:
Originally Posted by Viking
My guess is that it's something he hopes he has invented through his actions and manifest. He hopes someone else will follow him within that time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viking
And considering the ABB love threads at kvinneguiden.no, maybe it's not that far-fetched...
That's a real possibility but I think he's not kidding, something not happening would greatly lessen the impact of the Utoya massacre. He doesn't seem like the type that leaves anything to chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
So that has surfaced by now? It was to be expected, it's common that serial killers etc. have female "groupies" (even necrophiliac rapists, as shown in the link).Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
I don't think this phenomena will lead to any to any terrorist attacks though, it is a pretty different thing, I'd say. Some more on it here.
If he wanted people to follow him, I don't think going on a killing spree on a youth camp is a very clever move. I don't see how lying about meetings of an organisation that does not exist yet is going to benefit his cause, either.
hohoho, freemasons = knights templar. Breivik is either crazy or he is not
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights..._(Freemasonry)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Freemasons
The prosecution says he's psychotic and asks for forced psychiatric care.
They are not convinced, but they feel that the doubt is big enough that he cannot be found sane.
ABB was acting like a brat(as usual) when the procedure was read.
I think they are wrong, and I think they are dumb
Just shoot him and have it over with :quiet:
As cathartic as that would be, I wonder if that would just make him a martyr to right wing extremists. I doubt that the horror of his actions and the general unhinged nature of his philosophy would be enough to discourage some from following his ideas.
He's already a martyr. I just prefer them dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
What I find really weird is, that many people prefer to be sentenced to psychiatric care because the punishment is far less "severe" than the normal prison system. Also chance of reduced sentencing if his mental condition ever "improves".
A) Psychiatric care is not "time-set"... which means he will never ever ever get out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiaexz
B) He did what he did as a political thing, to then shrug him off as a psycho totally devaluates (is that a word?) his actions.
indeed. Breivik isn't insane, he's a cold piece of shit but he is not insane. He must be fully held responsible for what he did. The IRA isn't insane, Al Quaida isn't insane, the RAF wasn't insane. There is obviously something wrong with them but they are not insane.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
Contrary to what HT writes, the prosecution does not believe that Behring Breivik is legally insane. It is a principle of law that if there is reasonable doubt surrounding the defendant's sanity, he shall be sentenced to compulsory psychiatric care. The prosecution believes that the first psychiatric report has introduced such doubt.
The judges may reach a different conclusion, we have no indications on what conclusion they will reach.
That's not contrary to what I wrote, Viking, that's exactly what I wrote.
Hm.. ~;)Quote:
The prosecution says he's psychotic
If it were not for the principle, I assume that they would have asked for punishment instead.
Yes, now read the rest ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Viking
Oh well, last day of the trial today.
Four more victims have their closing statements, then ABB gets his closing statements, then it's over.
I have to say that I'm very please at how the trial has gone. A worthy showing of a functioning court system in my opinion. No circus, no nonsense. Especially since it's been a tremendous challenge for the courts, since a lot of the dilemmas they have faced are new dilemmas, they don't have much previous court practice to base their decisions on(like what is allowed to be shown on tv, for example). All in all, I'm pleased.
ABB remains a mystery. It's quite clear to me that he has some heavy personality disorders, but whether that's narcissism, paranoid schizofrenia, asperger or something else,I'm of course not qualified to have an opinion on. One thing has been etched into my memory though:
ABB has several times reacted to statements by saying "I have never in my life been depressed", "I have never in my life been rejected", etc. What does it mean? Is he aware that he's telling a lie, and that it's just a pr jippo for his supposed followers? Does he simply not know what "depression" and "rejection" means? Or has he somehow convinced himself that he's never been rejected or depressed? Is he unable to see and/or accept negative aspects of his own person? A colleague offered the suggestion that he has no contact with his own feelings.
As for criminally insane, I am not completely sure of his sanity, and I fully support the prosecution.
I agree. Whatever the outcome Norway wins. What a shock it must have been to him that he gets a fair trial. Hats of to Norway you guys deserve a lot of respect for how you dealt with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
There's a crucial difference between saying that someone should be treated as if insane and saying that they believe someone is insane. The last part of your post does at best contradict the first part; though that is not the way it reads to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
It was fairly short and not very precise, as it was written a minute after Holden finished and 5 minutes before I left for work...Quote:
Originally Posted by Viking
Yes, several "conservatives who believes in justice and the rule of law" have that opinion...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV
I'm very happy those kind of people are not in charge here.
ABB doesn't prefer it though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiaexz
Neither is the prison sentence, so in that regard it's irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV
A side note:
Earlier in the trial, ABB attacked Lillebjørn Nilsen's "barn av regnbuen", a norwegian translation of Pete Seeger's song "the rainbow race", stating that the song was an example of the multicultural indoctrination of children in Norway. As a response and protest, thousands of people met in central Oslo and many other cities to sing the song.
Today, ABB attacked Sex and the City, stating that the show is responsible for the decline in sexual morals. I eagerly await a response to this...... At least I know what my pick-up line is going to be tomorrow night. :smash:
'Do you agree this rag smells like chloroform'?
Good one, but I was thinking more along the lines of "...if you go home alone tonight, THE TERRORIST WINS!!!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
They will know you are lying, he's in jail and can't get out. They are stupid but not THAT stupid. I think. Could workQuote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore