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Peace with Castilia.
Next @LooseCannon1 : http://www.mediafire.com/download/z2...Persians_5.sav
Misdirections. Distortions. Half-truths. Lies
Everything spoken by the Seljuk Sultan can be classified as one of these. The veil of deceit has finally been pierced and will never be used against us again. His acts of war against peaceful neighbors has forced us to act.
@LooseCannon1 : I imagined already you wouldn't have supported me really last turn , but I was in doubt about where you hid your army. But this attack convinced me, that I made the right decision, as sooner or later I would have been ganged by the 2 of you.
As Dur3x didn't show up, hen @Tonno can take the faction. @Tonno don't sub me, as by taking Egypt you might be my enemy.
I should be able to post my turn before Egypt's turn comes up (15:00 in London)
I think that the Turks pass should be changed, Egypt also. Obviously the two need to re-check their subbers either confirming or reassigning them. ;)
I sent now a pm to Myth and Nightbringer to change pswd so that they can post a new Turks save with both pswd changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiub
Yes subbers will have to be renamed for us. But we can sort out that in the next few days.
Egypt have already a subber . i m taking to admin too.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonnet
If Tonno has not problem with you as subber, then i have no problem either.Quote:
Originally Posted by yuonyuon
But your eagerness of willing having the Egypt pswd so bad raise some concerns to me, considering that, you up to now used to load Egypt's save with no problem while you shouldn't have. So lets be clear since you seems a bit confused:
Egypt is not your faction, and you don't decide anything about it. You have your faction and that is Castille. And subbing is a favor you do only when requested.
no more fights in here, i already send some PM s to admin.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonnet
I M THE SUBBER OF EGYPT AND I M AVAILABLE ONLY ADMIN CAN CHANGE THAT , THIS IS OUT OF CHARACTER, my job is to subb egypt when the real player is missing , and tonno is already playing in this HS so he can t play both HRE and egypt.
i can t do that since he already play with HRE and he know your password and if i give Egypt password , why do we need passwords after all . you going to know your enemy password .Quote:
And pls @yuonyuon pass Tonno Egypt's pswd
Don t tell me you going to take HRE to Like you said . because i have the equal right to take Egypt too.Quote:
I'll be subbing HRE until the end or a replacement is found (pls help me finding a replacement).
lets just play fair . i m just very desapointed that i m the only one that i understand and post this.
Tonno will switch faction. HRE has less chances of surviving while Fatimid has plenty of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by yuonyuon
Dur3x didn't show up, so there's no real player anymore. If Tono is willing to trust you, after you misused Egypt's password, then it's fine by me and he can name you his subber.
We did the same, with Stouff in BdT (in which he switched from Scotland to HRE and from HRE to Castille while HRE was still alive), in which you played it too (and you showed no concerns then).
And no, subbers and players is something I manage. If you bothered to read what I write for once, you would have known.
And here you showed what you intend for subbing and why you want to do that. Subbing is not a right. Is a favor we make to each other.Quote:
Don t tell me you going to take HRE to Like you said . because i have the equal right to take Egypt too.
The one disappointed is me, since you have misused Egypt password for your benefit and you think you have the right to manage Egypt for your gain. I'm not subbing HRE to get any gain.
Just to show the difference between you and me: Ebs asked me to be his official subber before the HS started (while I was already HRE subber)
And I refused, because I was already the subber of HRE and I have no pleasure in subbing others as neither hold someone's else pswd.
Egypt need a player to make decisions , and only the player can do that.
I will continue. No one will change the password. My password, my faction, my precious !!!
I don't see your apologies and they're better to be real.Quote:
Originally Posted by dur3x
No apologies no playing amigo
To be honest, I apologize to everyone on this forum for my bad words, but with a little exception, sonnet. After all, I don't really care about this man. The best way is to ignore each other and stop this with apologize because you will never see them.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonnet
This is the second threat from you when you want to remove a player becauase is not serving your interests in this HS.
When you break your word, you really deserve to suffer the consequences.
It seems you didn't repent for insulting. You're not in.Quote:
Originally Posted by dur3x
I could write more, but if you don't get why insulting is wrong there's not much to say, your post says enough. If you don't understand the difference between reality and game, you're not really fit to play ,at least not in my hs.
And I'd be glad if you had apologized and continued to play. That we'd have all players for all factions and solved all my problems.
I don't care about what you do in game. But insulting won't be condoned.
And it would be stupid to think I would spend my time in organize a HS for people who insult me and lack respect.
And one last thing: as people talk about being brave.. insulting people is lame.
Insulting people behind a screen is beyond lame.. and not brave at all
You should take care not to over exaggerate. You might be admin and what he did, insult and acting like a kid, cannot be condoned for sure, and it's no doubt that everyone here agrees with you, BUT you should still know that he's your enemy and this incessant bickering over the insult is not doing you any favors. You're quickly becoming too much.
No, I don't like what happened and how yuonyuon and Durex behaved. I even told Yuonyuon that if he doesn't change attitude it's best he quit the hs for both his sake and ours, but I did it in private conversation with him and did not make such a big fuss. Granted it was you who was insulted, so you did make a fuss, but now it's going overboard.
The forum has rules. Durex has already been warned once now, and next time we expect him to wave us goodbye for good if he can't keep civilized. I don't think that you should create more drama over that insult. Let's put it behind and decide clear minded over how reliable is Durex, because if he does this every time he's attacked/backstabbed then it's clearly an issue - not just for this hs but for all hs's he's in. Backstabbing has always been a part of the game.
Understand the shift in the debate ? Let your bruised ego go and let's debate his return in a different light: if he's changed and is reliable and polite from now on, if we trust that of him.
My response/vote on the matter: As far as I'm concerned, I don't have much faith in Durex from what i heard about how he acted upon hearing his betrayal. Now he's entitled to answer and try to change my mind, but you can't go not playing your turns and insulting ppl because you're mad. It's a game, and it's everyone's right to betray or play how they see fit.
And sonnet, if you're gonna give me a one page reply, I won't bother. This is becoming more complicated than it should be.
Sorry for my long post for that matter.
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by yuonyuon
You are the subber of DUREX. If I took Egypt I can DEMAND to remove you as my subber. No. I would switch HRE for Egypt as requested by the maker of the HS, and asked that everyone state their minds on the matter.
No. You don't have RIGHTS on the matter of EGYPT.
I just don't understand you, you liked the post where Jiub talked about changeing passwords but now you talk about your "rights". It's like talking to gay "rights" movement, playing right dumb.
Had it enough with your nonsensical posts, you write just cuz you can, you don't read other ppl posts and I can be damned if you are thinking what you read in them.
I wouldn't say it's settled, we still got to see what will Castile say and what will durex post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaius Octavius Caesar
~:mecry:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiub
looks like i m caught in the corner , i don feel very welcomed here . every new post i see is condemn me and durex to leave .(ironically we 2 are also his enemies in the game), i already saw this story in other HS from TWC
i m still wait to see what the admin say . then i can goo .
"my game my rules " you say . but we suppose to have admins that decide not a player that can use power on its own interest . well nobody force me to join so you right about that 100%.
Also why Tonno wants to have Egypt so badly ??....good question
Turks are late they should be skipped ! that s what Sonnet will said if it was my or durex turn,
so if Tonno takes Egypt i leave this forum . I MEAN IT . 100% I WILL LEAVE !!!
No, please don't leave. TBH, I like seeing dramas between you and invicta. I think it is better than having a peaceful and quiet hotseat.:laugh4: And I don't think Tonno will take Egypt since he is doing well taking my cities. :shame:Quote:
Originally Posted by yuonyuon
Tonno is taking over Egypt if:
1. The original player for Egypt doesn't want to play them any more and he states so here specifically.
2. The HRE is turned to AI. NO ONE GETS THE HRE ONCE IT HAS BEEN ABANDONED. I don't want to see people effectively owning two factions through subbing.
3. The HRE player admits defeat and that he basically is out of the game as the HRE and it is clear that he is taking over Egypt which was more or less an AI faction as It has been subbed more than played.
Also, Invicta, it's not your job to exact punishment over insults in the forum. You are not a moderator on the .org and I ask you to trust myself and @Nightbringer for such matters. Also, public requests of apologies and threats for kicking players off the game over them create more drama and I think I made it clear that I don't want drama on these forums. Talk it over via PM and PM the moderators.
If I see more 5 paragraph posts which basically only point fingers and bicker, I will delete them and start handing out infractions. Focus on the hotseat.
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Pics comeing up, but nothing that wasn't obvius
PS
Took tortosa as well, but my fraps didn't took the pictures by the look of it.
All diplomacy deals should be re-done, or ask thorugh the PM here.
I will post the save soon. Thanks for your patience !
PS: Tonno, don't worry about that, is no problem. :)
First of all I want to thank to our allies in the East because they rushed to help us when we were in a delicate situation and that will be on our side in this war. We will always be indebted for their help. Now the Turks were driven out of our territory and the holy city, Jerusalem is back in our hands including Castle Acre.
Screens => http://www.mediafire.com/download/ch...Turks_!!!_.rar
@Emproment up!
HRE is next.
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France.
On one picture you can't see the army, I don't know why, but they stayed the same as in next one.
Like I said to someone, its not the single insult but the whole slander campaign of false accusations that annoyed me.
Until now I thought I would leave for those reasons.
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All in all I thought I could simply kick the players out by defeating them.
This is the save I played yesterday.
If people want to continue from there,I'll continue
The save has been played yesterday before TOnno posted his own subbing version. Tonno can confirm that in a pm from yesterday I told him that I played it and sunk all the Egyptian ships.
Otherwise look for another player for the Turks. I guess that was what the bad loser wanted from the begin.
@Jiub and all the players after him. If you post your save rather than getting back from my save I have to assume you want to continue without me. In that case you can find another player for the Turks and manage the HS in my stead
Here's the save for @dur3x
https://www.mediafire.com/?2wmz6a1c3da7n0r
@dur3x & @LooseCannon1:
here's the SS (Nb: the ss with the Kwarezm general defeated and the capture of Tortosa are not the real ones. The units used though are the same and the results were obvious. In the case of the Kwarezm general I took about 13 more losses)
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Ok then, not doing my turn.
Still, question: I didn't get from the post what exactly happens ? Is Tonno to take Egypt? Any other changes ? Or are we simply letting you to replay your turn ?
I don't really understand anything except to stop.
But yeah, I admit you had a lot to deal with while we just signed in and enjoyed the ride, and I don't think anybody had anything but contempt for how the two acted.
No Tonno will stay HRE. I'm tired and this is the best solution as otherwise new bickering will happen about who would sub HRE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiub
Dur3x can play his turn
Didn't Durex play his turn already ? Wans't his turn the one used ? I'm completely confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonnet
The turn I posted is the one I played yesterday afternoon before Tonno played his own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiub
Like I said, I thought about leaving and didn't posted. Only mentioned to Tonno that I played and sunk all the Egyptian ships:
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I'm posting the message I sent to Tonno in case anyone doubts, since I imagine new accusations would rise up.
If we want to continue together, we continue from my save, not Tonno's save.
So Dur3x should replay with the save I posted.
So be it, form your save onward then. But I don't like at all what happened. I know you were stressed and what not, ok you've let Tonno sub you, but now coming and demanding a replay or else is sorta the whole thing we've been condemning until now. The sub definitely wasn't as you'd wanted but that's how it is, you yourself stressed the importance of playing fast and if you gotta be subbed then that's it - that the hs must go on.
Oh well, it's not the end of the world, we'll be on track next week. But I don't like the precedent it sets for anyone else to come and say "hey, invicta got one, I want one too"...
1-I didn't get a day extra. The save is from yesterday. Load the save and check the time. I also posted the message I sent to Tonno saying I defeated all the egyptian ships. And my save was played before Tonno's so I didn't get any sort of advantages. I hope you get this clear in your mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiub
2-We wasted 1 day on Ebs hoping he would get the pc fixed on time, we wasted one day on Dur3x for 2-3 weak units. Considering all the time I wasted on setting up and keep everybody happy on all the requests I received, and all the bs I had to deal with and all the continuous accusations..like you said, anyone else just enjoyed the ride.
And whether I stay or not, you can manage the HS and see for yourself. Then we an talk about it. @Jiub ,this is just the pile of ..messages from Yuonyuon (and it's only part of it)
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95% of those message are accusations and complaints. The remaining 5% of bizarre requests like kicking out in turn Loosecannon1, Ebs or Emproment.
@Jiub and no, I didn't let Tonno sub me. Last thing I told Tonno was to hold, since he was supposed to take Egypt and as such he shouldn't have seen my turn.
He and the others kept playing on their own initiative.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053603656
As also i was waiting Myth to send the new save with Turks and Egypt passwords changed.
Myth had no access to his pc and asked Nightbringer to make it.
And @Jiub here's the message from Myth received yesterday afternoon:
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I vote to continue this HS ,
as long you didn t affect my gameplay and my deals in the game ,you can insult me in every mod possible .
i m only mad when someone wants to trick me or want to gain unfair advantage using his management powers and if that will be the case i will PM the admin from now on .
BYE BYEQuote:
Originally Posted by sonnet
You demanded that we all appoint a permanent sub to play in case we could not make the time frame we all agreed to play in. That sub (AND ONLY THAT SUB) was supposed to play the faction in case of an absence. The first person to break this rule was YOU when you subbed ebs instead of Vipman. Now you want to break it again because Tonno didn't play good enough for you?
You've lied and tried to manipulate most of us in Pms. Sell Astrakhan to Kiev? How can you when you don't control it? (Cumans took it back:laugh4:) What did you lie to Hungary about before you sacked Constantinople? And got over 12,000 florins. You wanted the Jihad armies disbanded because you never would have captured it otherwise. You got the Fatimids to give you money and then attacked him while goading me to also attack him.
Tonno can take over the Turks after you leave and the HRE is defeated.
You had no right to request a change of passwords for Fatimids so there is no need for Myth to do anything there.
LooseCannon1 :most of the things you're saying are just in-game related and thus not relevant.
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If I recall well, Ebs asked that Invicta subs him...Quote:
Originally Posted by LooseCannon1
I indeed posted the ss of his pm (with only pswd edited for obvious reasons) .Quote:
Originally Posted by Tonno
I'm not going to copy over your post just reply point by point.
1. Ebs's "OPINION" that Vipman was not "HERE" is not valid enough for you subbing him instead.
2. If you played before Tonno subbed you should have posted the save. If you couldn't post it then you should have posted a message asking for a delay. OH WAIT YOU DEMANDED WE PLAY ON TIME OR BE SUBBED.
3. I know what you said to me, Dur3x, and Makrell. Knowing you, one can infer how you've talked to others.
4. A Cuman city is part of Cuman territory. What part of "Then I'm planning on going thru the Cumans. . . " didn't you understand?
5. After you first captured it it flipped back to AI control. And since you know so much about the game you should've known that would happen.
6. Prove it with proper screen shots including ones showing your treasury before and after and allow the admin to look at your saves. I'll tell them in a PM what I'm looking for.
7. same as 6
8. Actually you were the first to propose disbanding Jihad armies https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053601029 If a human player chooses ERE. Of course, you already looked at the save and realized I, like an idiot, would do the honorable thing and disband my army. Leaving you a clear path to the Constantinople.
9. No it's not a good price for a city. ten turns minimum is a fair price and you could not have afforded that being in debt and not "sacking" constantinople.
10. No, my judgement is driven by the fact that I let you play me like a fool.
And Tonno, your sycophantic posting is causing me to lose respect for you. For those who don't have English as their primary language I give you this. Sycophantic-synonyms: obsequious, servile, subservient, deferential, groveling, toadying, fawning, flattering, ingratiating, cringing, unctuous, slavish; In other words, Tonno, you sound like his puppet.
I didn't know I had respect among players on TWC.Quote:
Originally Posted by LooseCannon1
Already heard enough times being called a suck up to him. The diference between you and me, and the others that told me that, is that I choose to stand on what can be confirmed on, not lame "arguments" such are: "Ebs's "OPINION" that Vipman was not "HERE" is not valid enough for you subbing him instead." or "I know what you said to me, Dur3x, and Makrell. Knowing you, one can infer how you've talked to others."
To add, if you where as clear minded as me you would see that the only thing I was "puppet-ed" about is the Ebs request (what... oh look.. is true) and the Castile abuse, what is a gray area, but for me to much. That's why I said I will not protest if admin decides to punish him (if he broke the NAP).
But I wished I was his puppet, cuz the crap he does for the HS comm and the crap he gets from the HS comm is a bit to much for a bunch of intelligent English speaking people.
garbage alert !!
you should have continued this in the other thread or via pm.
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Constantinople was occupied like you all can see in this SS . and could be taken easily from the first turn without the jihad armies . there was at least 1.5 stack and 2 siege weapons . so that is not a problem ,from the rule point of view.
Look at all the garbage being written... or don't.
So, who's turn is it?
In case @dur3x doesn't want to keep playing, @LooseCannon1 given the situation should manage Egypt (unless he prefer Yuonyuon doing that,which would be convenient since Castille comes right after Egypt), and he can do that until someone else gets eliminated and want tot try Egypt (if still alive).
Although managing 2 factions, as I'd be the one affected (and I don't mind) there's no problem for me.
As they're in the same war together it seems the most logical thing and won't really change the dynamic
your new save didn t change much , you still going to loose 2 stacks Smyrna , Acre and Jerusalem .Quote:
Originally Posted by sonnet
in case you didn t notice durex already played his turn . why you should have this huge extension like 48 hour and we have to rush our turns in 15 minutes .
you don t get it there are some rules here . you have to deal with them .
rules that are broken
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-Delays: players who play who takes more than 20 minutes (and if it's not skipped) from the time-slot of the next player (the one published it here) will be fined with: 2k, if the faction has 5 or less than 5 regions., 5k if the faction has 15 or less regions, 10k if the faction has 25 or less regions, 15k if the faction has more than 25 regions. Half of such fine will be refund to the player who was subtracted the money, if he still manages to play his turn within his time schedule .
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Remember that once you upload save and ss ,they're to be considered final (it means you cannot replay the save changing the battles you fought due to agreements reached after the save has been posted)
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- Turns must be played within your time schedule. No extension will be granted for no reason . If you can't play your turn, pls organize your subbing or you might be skipped. A player who fail to play twice in a row without explanation might be substituted.
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When discrepancies will arise or aspects not covered by the rules above, the Admin on its total own discretion will rule out about such cases.
If you believe someone might have broken the rules, you should not post it publicly! Pm first to the admins who will first investigate on the matter.
If the breaking of the rules is confirmed, then it'll be the admin to report it publicly along with the appropriate fine/punishment.
If that's true (that the new save doesn't change anything) then you and Dur3x should have no problem, and I'm truly glad to hear thatQuote:
Originally Posted by yuonyuon
About the delay: I asked Tonno and eveybody to stop playing in the morning and yesterday afternoon. And Myth wrote me by pm that I would get the save with passwords changed by Nightbringer, leading me to believe to wait.
I posted evidence of everything in previous posts. And I still played the old save in time, so I got no advantage neither in time or by seeing Egypt's turn (since I played it much earlier than that)
I'm sorry sonnet, I should have let you know that we had decided against changing the passwords because of dur3x's return. Myth and myself are currently discussing the matter but I think we are going to put it to a private vote by the players who would need to replay their turns.
@dur3x @Lord Luka @yuonyuon @Tonno
Could you send me a pm with a clear yes/no vote on whether you are okay with replaying your turns from Sonnet's save.
@Nightbringer & @MythQuote:
Originally Posted by Nightbringer
The players who should replay are @dur3x @yuonyuon @Tonno and @Emproment. (not Lord Luka)
And obviously Dur3x and Yuonyuon being my enemies will vote no. You're letting things be decided by how many enemies I have in game. Doesn't seem logic or fair.
And following which logic, should I pay for your mistake? (to not let me know?)
I do not get a vote? I have already played my turn...
EDIT: Sonnet said it first.
how can you stop this HS for a simple issue . maybe one day i will hold this HS for a week when i will go in a vacation, trust me i will play again but since tomorrow is a new week i barely have these 2 hours window every day . so durex is not here , that means i will play tomorrow night , for what ?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonnet
i looked at the turn earlier and and it looks like you trying hard but that suppose to be a fast passe HS , but not for you , you have to play HARDCORE . but guess, what you forget to put spies in that fort . then you will request another reply
i m not replaying my turn , also another 3 player must replay because of you
there are 2 types of logic , one of interest and one of the truth . which one?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonnet
No, there's only one type of logic... the one that uses reasoning. But, you can use logic for false conclusions as well, so the question is do we seek truth or just what suits us.Quote:
Originally Posted by yuonyuon
I was bored, had to reply.
i guess that is off topic :)))Quote:
Originally Posted by Tonno
i prefer Admin logic since he has no gain in this game.
@Loose Well then, you've made me to lose respect for you as well then, I thought you were better, but it truly seems you just plainly hate invicta and once you got an opportunity you joined the bandwagon of throwing accusations. When you had that fight with invicta in Retrofit 2 HS and left the hotseat and then not replying to my PMs where I asked you to please give me the admin password to continue the hotseat, I didn't like it at all then, but as time passed I let it go, and for what, only for you to strike back now and show your hate for him. I'm really disappointed.
As for the subber business when we had to choose the official subber I came a bit late to it and most people chose one and among those that weren't appointed already I wasn't eager on asking anyone of them of subbing me and I just said to myself I'll have to play all my turns then. At last me and ebs were left and invicta asked if we're ok if we appoint each other as subber, I was like yeah whatever, and I figure ebs was probably the same as when he needed subbing he asked who he wanted. It's true anyway I became more inactive for personal reasons and have lost much interest in everything related to TWC and the hotseat here as well, and all that's happening here sure ain't helping, but still I don't want to just give up on everything, I'll just have to gather myself up eventually.
You want to bring up Retrofit 2 again. Allright, let's bring it up. Invicta insulted me and another player (I think it was you, maybe not) in the thread. Claimed he was doing it "in character" so no harm was meant. But it wasn't As the admin it was my duty to eject him from the game for abusing other players. Then he started a revolt against me and you got the admin password from Izob. And what did invicta do? HE QUIT :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vipman
Izob apologized to me later for giving it to you once he read the whole story. I let it go when he insulted me again when he came back and started up at TWC this summer.
Fine, but what happened on the turn in question. Invicta has posted a PM from ebs where ebs says "I see Vipman is not here". Was there a problem preventing you from subbing that time? What was it? We only know that invicta subbed him after he posted the save. And when he played the Moors they were left in a bad position while threatening Castile. So Castile stomped the Moors. Why weren't you there to sub ebs?Quote:
As for the subber business when we had to choose the official subber I came a bit late to it and most people chose one and among those that weren't appointed already I wasn't eager on asking anyone of them of subbing me and I just said to myself I'll have to play all my turns then. At last me and ebs were left and invicta asked if we're ok if we appoint each other as subber, I was like yeah whatever, and I figure ebs was probably the same as when he needed subbing he asked who he wanted. It's true anyway I became more inactive for personal reasons and have lost much interest in everything related to TWC and the hotseat here as well, and all that's happening here sure ain't helping, but still I don't want to just give up on everything, I'll just have to gather myself up eventually.
Do you want to know why Emproment and I sub each other? We live in the same time zone, we play at the same time on different day, and we're on opposite sides of the map. Quality of play has nothing to do with it. As long as we do our best, I'm satisfied.
Invicta has refused to follow the rules he created for this game. That is all that really matters.
No Loose, what really matters is the admin's decision on which route to take during this speed-bump.
@Myth and @Nightbringer, I hope a consensus is reached soon. Picking the lesser of two evils does not matter as much as simply getting this HS rolling again regardless of which choice is made.
Let's just choose one and be done with it so we can continue this HS.
sorry about the mix up emproment. I'm still waiting to hear from @yuonyuon, and myth has been away from his comp. We should be able to get this resolved tomorrow.
Does it matter who is sub me?When I ask someone to do?We saying its good to have official subber so to be fast HS.. when I was looking to someone sub me only sonnet was here.. the first choice must be my official subber right ? but he was OFF then admins right?They also was oFF.. and I ask from Sonnet to sub me what is the problem here?This is not rule breaking.. rule breaking will be when I dont playing.. my subber its here.. admins also here and Sonnet ask me to sub me or something like this..
So admins must be concentrated to decision to continue with the Sonnet save or with the Tonno save..
Also younyoun its dont break any rule when he is attack me.. we dont have deal he is see that he have good chance to destroy my armies and he is do.. this is war game... we will have wars we will have ceasfires etc. I also understadn the Sonnet point in this case but at the end this the war game like a say..
So pls close this case.. we are now in peace we have NAP everything its OK we dont need to continiue to speaking for this!
Sorry for my bad English I hope everyone is understand what I trying to say!!!
I don't remember of that spacial case. But in general:Quote:
Originally Posted by LooseCannon1
You saw how I called Tavix and Jiub here. To be right on the spot, I called Tavix a coward (and it was far from "in character"). It can look like a straight up insult on someones personality, since I don't know who he is, how he acts, what he does.
What's the difference: his play, his move was cowardice ( just to be clear I understand their resons, but I still claim they are wrong). I judged that, not him nor his persona. That's why he was right, he doesn't have to explain to me his moves. ( He'll have to answer to God, HA!)
I knew from TWC that some people put their egos on wrong places, that's why I called core pig-dog in my EMPEROR speeches, I'm pretty sure that doesn't mean anything.
So, when you play badly in a HS, and I call you a lying dog... it's a means of taunting. When I send you a PM with a insult on your nature, that's not taunting.
PS
Ebs, don't worry, that case is closed.
Let not say coward, i prefer opportunist :laugh4: .Quote:
Originally Posted by Tonno
I didnt knew that Venice was gonna atack you. I had to make a choice, atack or not. And i chose the 1st.
Just to clarify. Invicta states that he posted his save within his time frame. If that is indeed the case then there is no need for us to use the version where he has been subbed. Technically both are valid, but I prefer for each player to be able to lead their faction.
He expected a cleared save for Egypt and we didn't provide it, since it turned out that Dur3x intended to play. I believe that more than a few of the issues with this game are due to poor communication between the players involved, as well as between the players and the admins. Me being on vacation and getting 8 PMs per day didn't help either.
Here is what I think:
Dur3x continues as Egypt.
We use the save which Invicta posted as he didn't really need subbing and was delayed because he waited for an answer from myself and Nightbringer.
Everyone shuts up and stops bringing up old drama both from this game and from previous games and you all try to have fun and win some battles in Med 2 and not in Forum Warrior 2.
I'm ignoring the bickering because I understand that everyone involved is getting emotional, so let's all calm down and look to a good game from today onward.
nobody wants to reply his turn because he had 48 hours window , we are 4 players that we must reply ,Quote:
Originally Posted by Myth
sonnet must obey the rules that he made . no exception . i think you misunderstood the situation.
"When discrepancies will arise or aspects not covered by the rules above, the Admin on its total own discretion will rule out about such cases."Quote:
Originally Posted by yuonyuon
-that's one of the rules he must obey.
Even you quoted that rule.
@Myth
To get the final verdict, do we continue or replay with Sonnet's save?
, me durex and loose we are not replaying(continue) any turn if this is going to happen , this is phatethic . what i think was happened , that Myth don t know the situation clearly because of hundreds of messages from sonnet .Quote:
Originally Posted by Tonno
Nightbringer told us to vote , i can t see any "replay" or "reloading" in Myth post .
This is where the decision was made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myth
We use Sonnet's save and the sooner we do it the faster we all get to play.
If Invicta waited an answer from an admin i don't think any discussion is needed.We replay from his save.It says in the rules that any doubtfull situations should be PM'd to the admin and not posted on the forum so as far as that goes he did as he was supposed to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myth
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053603817Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Luka
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053603301
you can read this messages and see that he was off . there was no waiting for the admin . he was in a holiday .
Sorry, invicta posted on TWC that he would be unable to play any turns until Sunday July 20th. He knew Tonno would have to sub him on July 16th and he must accept how the subbing turned out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myth
I asked for a vote because I wanted to get a feel for where people were without all the bickering. I got it, but still agree with myth's ruling that we should got back and play from this save. I understand it is frustrating to have to redo a turn, but please lets just try to give everyone a pass on this one. There was a lot of confused communication (on everyone's, including my, part) and debating it forever is only going to make things worse. Things will be back on track in no time. If a situation about subbing comes up again, this won't serve as a precedent. We will evaluate that issue based on its own circumstances, just as we did here.
So that would make it @dur3x's turn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightbringer
I wrote Tonno, that it could be possible,but not certain, that I'd need a sub since I'd be back at home at around 12:00 (when my turn expired). But on Saturday morning I wrote a message in the thread saying to him to keep on hold because Dur3x for me was out,because maybe @Myth and @Nightbringer didn't notice, but on Friday I asked Dur3x to confirm whether he was playing or not within 12 hours, because if he wasn't goint to play we needed to know that before his turn happened in order to fin a new player in time (which was very important, because Egypt had still good chances to survive,and if we kept subbing Egypt it could have been too late 1 or 2 turns later to find a replacement if the situation got worse)Quote:
Originally Posted by LooseCannon1
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053603551
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He didn't show up within 12 hours despite being having connected to the forum and on TWC. And while I wasted hours in finding a new player, he didn't even took 5 seconds to write I'm in.
And he wasn't giving a reply (while he could) because he wanted first to see his turn first (and check if he had any chances, like Yuonyuon confirmed in his post):
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053603558
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And I told Yuonyuon that if Dur3x is waiting to see his turn to confirm whether he'l play or not, then he's out.
Because playing only when winning is not correct towards other players who play until the end, even when losing (as also because leaving just when your turn comes up is extremely impolite and leave me in the situation of halting the HS until a new replacement is found, because leaving Egypt AI would damage everyone else).
And since everybody talks about the rules..I made very clear when people joined that everyone was expected to play until the end and not leaving just because losing or at first difficulty. And to facilitate that, I made the "decisive battle" rule to facilitate the way out (since it is a all in or out)
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Still, I played that save before Tonno made his subbing (so I used less time than him) and my message to him and the time of the save can prove it.
Anyone can download Tonno's and my save and check it out.
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From my understanding is if Durex didn t show in 12 hours from that message he was kick out , but in the same time Sonnet show up late(after 48 hours) after 4 players did their turns and still he have to right to stop the HS and make us all repeat our turns.
that what i call fairplay , and the admin agree?!
1-First ,I told everybody to wait. And you're purposely making things up, as I posted less than 24 hours between a post and the other. Why do you keep going with this lie of the 48 hrs? (I played the save before Tonno and in any case I posted it 16 hours later than him)Quote:
Originally Posted by yuonyuon
2-Dur3x didn't show up for 72 hours (since Wednesday. You said he told you (on Wednesday he wouldn't play again. On Friday you said he told he'll decide t play only after seeing his turn. I asked him to show up within 12 hours confirming if he was in. and he didn't. All this despite the fact that he connected multiple times and purposely refused to answer.
And you said you trusted admin's logic. But now,since you don't like the answer, you don't trust it anymore.
The funniest part in all this, is that you or anyone else don't get any penalization (you just have to play with my save which was played in time). You're just fighting to get an unfair advantage,because without it you feel you're lost.
@dur3x @LooseCannon1 @yuonyuon pls let confirm if you'll keep playing or not as soon as you connect and read this message
http://mylittlefacewhen.com/media/f/...ash_rarity.gif
Please people, you're not making any progress like this - let it rest?
Invicta was wrong to try to enforce "his rule" on Durex but he had perfectly valid reasons to hold the turn assuming that he even did, as confirmed by admin - the supreme authorities on .org hotseating. Invicta states that he posted his save within his time frame. If that is indeed the case then there is no need for us to use the version where he has been subbed. Disagreement with this or his conduct regarding rules should be kept to PM.
Keep this up and you will not only bury yourselves, but the hotseat and any shred of dignity TWC main-area hotseaters still manage to cling to.
Nice off-topic stab at TWC.[/offtopic]Quote:
Originally Posted by Mithridate
EDIT: No one should take this so seriously.
There was seldom a famous general in history who was not prima-donna. When this HS goes stale, these modern game-generals love to gossip about old dramas.
Leave the diva-queens to their bickering.
No we are making a very big progress here . don t you see?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mithridate
Sonnet told Jiub to hold his turn because he might foul us by replaying his turn (and he was online when we all played , he could say something then) he just made a perfect turn in 30 HOURS (19 6:00 -20 12:00), i had 15 min. durex had 4 , all from my timeframe .because tonno post too late
but the good thing was that Sonnet played before Tonno and he didn t want to post because i don care ......... we have a schedule .last time i was forced to rush my turn when i pas 15 min on Emproment time .this time again .
i m not agree to replay . final .
why you didnt post the save it that is true , so durex can t see the save . so you may kick him and let tonno do the easy job . look we are not stupid here . at least loose and others know you well enough to detect this kind of crap
you see i dont mix in game situation with the ruling problems even they are 100% related with each other.
EDIT: lets put it this way , i might replay if durex will replay since i have no gains in the middle east .
i think now i m a reasonable person . but that depend on his decision .
You have to respect admin's decision. We all agreed this when we joined the hotseat. End of discussion.
you meant the rules . not admin , can t you see one admin said lets vote , and other say what invicta told him to say .Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaius Octavius Caesar
what do you mean by end of discussion , ok i end the discussion right now , now what ?? can t you see nobody wants to continue .
we can t end the discussion without resolving the problem . this is a big problem . are you not paying attention , you are part of this HS too .
You need to make sure then everybody has the facts straight. From my PM to you & MythQuote:
Originally Posted by Nightbringer
There's all the posts listed by their time of posting.Quote:
"Sorry, invicta did not post his save within the time frame he demanded. I played and post the save for him at 9:11 Pm friday night (my time) That's 2:11 AM saturday by UTC. His time to play & post is from
6AM to noon UTC Saturday. He did not post the save for Egypt until SUNDAY at 11:29 AM ( or 12:19 PM when he edited the post). Tonno had posted a save at 6:07 PM Saturday (or 6:16 pm when he edited the post). Tonno posted a save way before invicta (but late, technically a fine is due). In fact, dur3x, yuonyuon, Emproment, and Tonno (as HRE) had time to play and post a save for the next person. Fact is, he posted over on TWC (on July 16th) that he would not be able to play until Sunday so he obviously knew Tonno must sub. Then Tonno did a bad job subbing and he wants to post his save. NO that is not right.
And the screen shot of his message to Tonno about playing? The time of that message is 6:23 PM Saturday (in Ireland where he lives) so it's also way late. And later than the time Tonno posted the save."-Loose Cannon
Myth posted this after the end of invicta's time to play but 2 1/2 hours before Tonno posted the subbed turn. And, more importantly, almost a full day before invicta replied in the thread. But the amazing thing is that invicta could PM Tonno 12 hours before he posted in the thread~:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Myth
Yeah, like that has always happened~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaius Octavius Caesar
My vote is simple. Jiub is up. We carry on from there or I will quit.