Inca - Total War

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Originally Posted by SSJVegetaTrunks

How much work have you guys gotten done so far?

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Beta Progress

Campaign Map : 90%
Campaign Balancing : 0%
Unit Graphics : 0%
Unit Balancing : 20%
Unit Stats : 20%
Music : 0%
New sounds : 0%
Gui : 0%
Loading Screens : 50%
Icons : 66%
Unit Descriptions : 0%
Unit Cards : 0%
Campaign Scripts : 0%

Final Release Progress

Campaign Map : 45%
Campaign Balancing : 0%
Unit Graphics : 0%
Unit Balancing : 10%
Unit Stats : 10%
Music : 0%
New sounds : 0%
Gui : 0%
Loading Screens : 25%
Icons : 30%
Unit Descriptions : 0%
Unit Cards : 0%
Campaign Scripts : 0%

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Originally Posted by Murfios

Chumi
( I actualy made this one, out of three separete pictures)
https://img247.imageshack.us/img247/...humitz2.th.jpg

Amazonia
[IMG]https://img300.imageshack.us/img300/...con4kp4.th.jpg[/IMG]

Machupe: I personaly hate this one. It looks so out of place.

FINALY AFTER MUCH STRUGGLE!
https://img137.imageshack.us/img137/...ucheom6.th.jpg

KK we now have three less to worry about. I'll have fice for tomorrow, Mayan and other none playeble factions.

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Do we have any modelers? Do we have any scripters?

I just figured that Noble units could have like a thousand feathers and adorns on their backs that actualy stick up.

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No, we do not have any modelers, but we do have a scripter (Caius Flaminius i think)

Cool Icons!!

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Originally Posted by Filibustería

Do we have at least a basic idea of how the aguaruna and Diaguita units will be??

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No :shame:

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Originally Posted by Filibustería

What is label?

wasnt the mod going from ecuador to central chile?
If yes, where would the mayan rebels go?



Does that mean that if we play a battle with normal unit against a faster-than-archers inca unit we will be constantly pursuing it(skirmish mod) in an endless race around the map until clock goes empty and it ends in a draw???

Thanks.

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The "faster-than-archers inca unit" is melee based, so it does not have skrimish mode. It is mainly to be used as an anti-archer unit, what it lacks in numbers it makes up for in charge bonus. I am toying with the idea of adding "Amazon Warriors" to the unit trees of some factions as a faster-than-archers unit to balance the play.

Regarding the faster-than-archers unit, please make sure it is based on history, I would hate to see fantasy units in this mod.

I just reinstalled gimp and RTW (sadly I had to uninstall EB) and I am ready to begin skinning, but I will need historical info/pictures so I can get an idea on what the units are supposed to look like.

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Originally Posted by Lignator

Regarding the faster-than-archers unit, please make sure it is based on history, I would hate to see fantasy units in this mod.

I just reinstalled gimp and RTW (sadly I had to uninstall EB) and I am ready to begin skinning, but I will need historical info/pictures so I can get an idea on what the units are supposed to look like.

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The faster-than-archer units are called Chaski

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Originally Posted by Wikipedia

The Chasquis (also Chaskis) were agile and highly-trained runners that delivered messages, royal delicacies and other objects throughout the Inca Empire, principally in the service of the Sapa Inca.

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Originally Posted by Wikipedia

Chasquis were trained in attack and defense techniques to help ensure delivery of their charges.

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If someone thinks they should be out, please speak up


For the skinning of the units, you could look on Page 1 for Incan Units, and Page 5 for the Mapuche units, otherwise you could image search on yahoo or google.

Nice work. Also, if I am provided with the database( edu file dictionary line) name of the Unit, I can provide some unit descriptions. I have plenty of time to spare. Just pm the database names to me.

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Originally Posted by Motep dra Uha Dnia Mazzat

Nice work. Also, if I am provided with the database( edu file dictionary line) name of the Unit, I can provide some unit descriptions. I have plenty of time to spare. Just pm the database names to me.

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Just log onto inca_total_war@yahoo.com and open the email there that is called "For the Team", you can get the mod so far from there.

There is no faction icons there

could you just pm me the database names for the units? I lack the program to decompress the file on the e-mail.

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Originally Posted by Motep dra Uha Dnia Mazzat

could you just pm me the database names for the units? I lack the program to decompress the file on the e-mail.

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Sure, sent.

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Do we have at least a basic idea of how the aguaruna and Diaguita units will be??

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Yes...
Diaguita will be basically heavily influenced by the Mapuche Culture...

The Aguaruna will be unique.. they are an amazonian tribal culture, they will use the blowpipe, they will had theyr faces tatooed, and that specific haircutt...they wont be great warriors, but they will relly on numbers, they will be very good ambushers, alot of bonnuses in jungle ~:) In many ways, they will be similar to the barbarians from the vannila RTW

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If someone thinks they should be out, please speak up

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Chasquis should remain in, but as an EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE UNIT, WITH A VERY HIGH BUILDING TIME... We want balance and historicall accuracy above all

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The "faster-than-archers inca unit" is melee based, so it does not have skrimish mode. It is mainly to be used as an anti-archer unit, what it lacks in numbers it makes up for in charge bonus. I am toying with the idea of adding "Amazon Warriors" to the unit trees of some factions as a faster-than-archers unit to balance the play.

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No, no Amazon Warriors.... rather mercenary Aguaruna warriors wich could be recruited out of the Amazonian jungles...
If we want Historicall acuracy, we need to think about the ZONES OF RECRUITMENT ~;)

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What is label?
wasnt the mod going from ecuador to central chile?
If yes, where would the mayan rebels go?

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Mayans will appear in a separate campaign map, but not now ~;)

How about the Chimu ? They are the most interesting culture, in my opinion... images of their warriors can be found on their pottery, but also on the pottery of Moche, their predecesessors....

CF is finally back. A little suspention of the pc (im still without start the pc) is delaying me much.The map has to wait.:gah2: .
Who said im scripter?Well, Im not scripter but a junior member is scripter and he can help us.
@Murfios:How can I merge the .jpg files.If I can merge the files, I guess the map is done.

@Rex_Pelasgorum:We have enough fighters to make ZoR?

@Motep_The_Great:We are needing more definitions

Team, other thing is, we have more information for the new factions?

I hope i can turn back very soon

Caius

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Originally Posted by Murfios

Chumi

Amazonia
[IMG]https://img300.imageshack.us/img300/...con4kp4.th.jpg[/IMG]

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Is that a frog's eye????:laugh4:

Can 3ds max 7 open the unit models?
Because it doesnt seem to work...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._open_file.JPG

Except if Im doing exactly what i must not...

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Originally Posted by Rex_Pelasgorum

No, no Amazon Warriors.... rather mercenary Aguaruna warriors wich could be recruited out of the Amazonian jungles...
If we want Historicall acuracy, we need to think about the ZONES OF RECRUITMENT ~;)

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Some tribels in inca had long bows so long that they had to fire will laying on their back, feet on wooden shaft and both hands on the string. Could this be a mercenary?

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Originally Posted by Caius Flaminius

@Murfios:How can I merge the .jpg files.If I can merge the files, I guess the map is done.

Caius

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Will in photoshop? If click layer, left from select, right from image.Scroll down and it will say merge layers.

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Is that a frog's eye????

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lol, almost, its a snakes eye.

@Filibusteria:You need a Vercingetorix tool
@Murfios:It merges only the first and the last layer.

ok then, click on "flatten image" on same layer down scroll menue

And we are going to have mercenaries?

https://img490.imageshack.us/img490/...con5vw7.th.jpg
Another faction icon. Cant remember its name

Hey Cauis, you dont have a sig. You can use mine if you like.

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Originally Posted by Murfios

https://img490.imageshack.us/img490/...con5vw7.th.jpg
Another faction icon. Cant remember its name

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it's the Aymara.


What is that vercingetorix tool and how can i get it?

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Originally Posted by Murfios

https://img490.imageshack.us/img490/...con5vw7.th.jpg
Another faction icon. Cant remember its name

Hey Cauis, you dont have a sig. You can use mine if you like.

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Send me the imageshack image

@Filibusteria:It is called Vercingetorix CAS extractor, it is a script and it must be saved in the script folder of 3ds max

New shipment! Ill let you decide...https://img366.imageshack.us/img366/...con6kw4.th.jpg

Hey Fil, you can get that in the modeling tutorial.

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Originally Posted by Murfios

New shipment! Ill let you decide...https://img366.imageshack.us/img366/...con6kw4.th.jpg

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Isn't it a bit too shiny?

Me like shiny!:shame:

Im I and Filibustería the only ones awake?

jaja! new one! CAnt get enough huh?
https://img81.imageshack.us/img81/61...con7or2.th.jpg

If I knew anything about modding, I would help you guys. I have GIMP, but don't know what I can do with it.

@ Caius Flaminius
What?



AH! I accidentaly deleted the psw. Ccan someone give it to me again pls?

Hey can noble warriors throw heads at the enemy? Only the Barbarians.

Cant you make the unit cards with the GIMP?

What is represented in the last icon?..I cant get it:wall:

It seems that in my thread in M2TW mod devlpmnt Caius Britannicus died because he hasn't answered..

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Originally Posted by Murfios

Hey can noble warriors throw heads at the enemy? Only the Barbarians.

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I dont know if noble but mapuche used to impale enemies' heads in their pikes.....

I don't know how to use GIMP, but if there's anything I can help you guys with using GIMP, I might be able to do it once I find out how to use it.

Were there any animal tamers back then, like leapord tamers? That would be pretty cool, I think.

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Originally Posted by SSJVegetaTrunks

I don't know how to use GIMP, but if there's anything I can help you guys with using GIMP, I might be able to do it once I find out how to use it.

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Sure. Look, Make a faction Icon. Like the ones I made.

Whenever I try to save a file in GIMP, it says unknown file type and cannot save. How do I fix this?

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Originally Posted by Caius Flaminius

CF is finally back. A little suspention of the pc (im still without start the pc) is delaying me much.The map has to wait.:gah2: .
Who said im scripter?Well, Im not scripter but a junior member is scripter and he can help us.
@Murfios:How can I merge the .jpg files.If I can merge the files, I guess the map is done.

@Rex_Pelasgorum:We have enough fighters to make ZoR?

@Motep_The_Great:We are needing more definitions

Team, other thing is, we have more information for the new factions?

I hope i can turn back very soon

Caius

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Sry, I thought you said you were the scripter, is that junior member still interested in helping?

Nice Icons Murfios, but don't we have to make them easily decernable when they are really small?

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Originally Posted by ByzantineKnight

Sry, I thought you said you were the scripter, is that junior member still interested in helping?

Nice Icons Murfios, but don't we have to make them easily decernable when they are really small?

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I dont know if he comes here.

With IrfanView I can rezise them, there isnt any problem with that.

Ok.

I am having a big trouble and I dont know if i can fix it.Maybe I cant fix it in time and i dont have to start the pc.My dad doesnt allow me if he knows i broke a laptop key.If anyone have a solution, please post it here.

The Snake's Eye icon is the best I've seen so far, it looks awesome.

Im sorry I have not posted in a while...lots of homework. Due to this homework, and much more to come, I may not be able to finish the descriptions soon.

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Originally Posted by Caius Flaminius

Ok.

I am having a big trouble and I dont know if i can fix it.Maybe I cant fix it in time and i dont have to start the pc.My dad doesnt allow me if he knows i broke a laptop key.If anyone have a solution, please post it here.

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So are you saying you broke a key on the keyboard of your dad's laptop? The only suggestion I can come up with is take your computer to a computer store and have them fix it, it would probably only take them like 5 minutes and I don't think i would cost too much. Also you could pull a key off an old laptop or keyboard and put on but that wouldn't stop your dad from finding out....

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Originally Posted by SSJVegetaTrunks

The Snake's Eye icon is the best I've seen so far, it looks awesome.

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thx

Hey, anyone there? Filibusteria, can you model?

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Originally Posted by Murfios

Hey, anyone there? Filibusteria, can you model?

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Nope, sorry, I tried, but the only thing i was able to do is to open the model in 3ds max.
I tried to change it , but i could only mutate it horribly, so i cant do anything useful.

Can I put an Inca: Total War thing in my signature?

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Originally Posted by SSJVegetaTrunks

Can I put an Inca: Total War thing in my signature?

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Of Course you can!!

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Originally Posted by Filibustería

Nope, sorry, I tried, but the only thing i was able to do is to open the model in 3ds max.
I tried to change it , but i could only mutate it horribly, so i cant do anything useful.

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Well, at least you can, lol. Maybe you could put the stick they carry on their backs. I Feel so freaking lonelt in this forum. IT seems you & I are the only ones alive.

Dude the ps3 is totaly awesome.

That really sucks that you can't model, I am having problems with skinning as well. I find out I have to have a plugin to open dds files, then I download it and find out the plugin is for an older version and I need some program to unpack it:furious3:

EDIT: oh yeah and how long does the trial period of 3ds max last maybe I could help with modeling as well as skinning.

How do you add an image to your signature?

you need to upload the picture to photoshack, copy the url it provides, go to user cp, click on "edit signature" and there is a box just like the one for posting. click on "insert image" paste the url and your done. As soon as I finish some skins I'm going to make a sig for myself ~D

Requesting permision to recruit new team members.

We could use:
Two Modelers
And/or
a Scripters

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Originally Posted by Murfios

Requesting permision to recruit new team members.

We could use:
Two Modelers
And/or
a Scripters

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Of course :2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Murfios

Well, at least you can, lol. Maybe you could put the stick they carry on their backs. I Feel so freaking lonelt in this forum. IT seems you & I are the only ones alive.

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Sry I havent posted in a while, I have had alot of school :(


I have a question, in the snakes eyeball icon there is two people in the reflection, which one is you?

lol:laugh4:
None of those is me:laugh4:

How are in progres?

I have some problems while trying to use my image... It says that the image file is too big and it cannot use an external website (I used photobucket). It's a pretty simple picture, just a forest with "Inca: Total War" written on it. How can I get around these two problems?

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Originally Posted by SSJVegetaTrunks

I have some problems while trying to use my image... It says that the image file is too big and it cannot use an external website (I used photobucket). It's a pretty simple picture, just a forest with "Inca: Total War" written on it. How can I get around these two problems?

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Change its size to a smaller one or its resolution.
the maximum size info its on the edit signature page...
I made mine in Paint...

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Originally Posted by Murfios

thx

Hey, anyone there? Filibusteria, can you model?

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I can, but i have the same problem of Filibusteria

Hey caius, how did you open the tga.dds files, gimp can't open them, even though I installed the plugin.

About the Chimu, even more on their predecessors, the Moche :

The "Lord of Sipan"
http://agutie.homestead.com/files/Sipan.htm

http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehisto...nddogmoche.gif



CHIMU WARRIORS:

http://www.xor.org.uk/silkroute/pana...c/img_5324.jpg

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.c...1_1899_5564518

Could it be possible to make unit models influenced by these paintings from the ceramic ?

http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehisto..._moche_art.jpg

It looks like a great faction icon for the Chimu....

Unfortunately, the Chimuan languages are extinct (died out relatively recently), and i was unable to find any large source about them... even worse, they were part of an isolated linguisticall group, so if we name their units with Aymara or Quetchua names, it would be totally ahistoric.... i`ll try to do my best to find the necesary books to name their units.

It does look like a great faction icon, but it may be too realistic.

If a modeler joins us, could we make a Rat Warrior or that Deer Huntsman?
Maybe we could ask Hoggy if we could use some of his figures, the ones in blue lotus, giving him proper credit of course. WE could skin them, give them a American outfit, and change a few cosmetics and we could have a great aray of exotic units. Modelers are like the games of a console, they make people buy them. No one ever buys a ps3 to be able to play Dvds.

Another thing:
How will we make the building? They differer greatly from Ancient Roman architecture. Rex what the progres?
We could ask permision to include the Formation mod, is that the darth mod?
Cool detail: In some battles I see Coyotes(I think) Maybe there could be a unit with five of those.

Diaguita language is also extinct, so we would have the same problem with that...

A solution would be to name every unit in every faction in english..

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A slolution would be to name every unit in every faction in english..

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that would be kinda gay though....

:help:

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Originally Posted by Lignator

that would be kinda gay though....

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Gay? Why would it be "gay"? I do not understand.

oh sorry, what I meant was it would be disappointing to have to use english for the unit names.

Cant we use INCA>??? Oh come on, people will not actually do a reserch to see if the names are correct! Besides, who care? We will not include flyng feathered snakes being mounted by sons of the sun god...

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Diaguita language is also extinct, so we would have the same problem with that

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Hmmm. but they were related to the Mapuche...
We could use Mapuche names for them...

As for the Chimu, i will try to get some books upon them... or asking some materials...

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Cant we use INCA>??? Oh come on, people will not actually do a reserch to see if the names are correct!

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No... we do not have to make the same criticall mistakes that our found in vannila RTW... if we make this mod, it is going to be a realistic mod.

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How will we make the building? They differer greatly from Ancient Roman architecture. Rex what the progres?

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Egyptian culture buildings could be partially skinned ..adding deocorative patterns on them,would make them look awesome...it would work fine at least for Chimu.... i have planned alot on this, and i know theoretically at least what could be done, and it wouldbe really great, unfortunately we lack moddelers and skinners... we badly need them....at least 4 or 5....:embarassed: :embarassed:

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Originally Posted by Lignator

Hey caius, how did you open the tga.dds files, gimp can't open them, even though I installed the plugin.

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The plugin is for Photoshop.

Do you have any people that can skin or model?

EDIT: On the mod discussion page, Bwian just finished up a mod that made tanks in the game. I'm assuming that took some major modelling, maybe you could try to get him to help?

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Originally Posted by Caius Flaminius

The plugin is for Photoshop.

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I installed the gimp version of the plugin.

Try to open .DDS files in GIMP

This is my first experience with modelling... it scares me...:laugh4:
https://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?...officernz7.jpg

DUDE! Al least you have the basic idea and the program!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try to make them look incaish, you know like wit the feathers! YOU have the potential, in fact, i would use that for a R:TW mod based on Zobies and stuff. Look for tutorials and others things to polish you skills.

That picture won't load on my internet :wall:

List of some icons....
cant get them to be bigger...
https://img104.imageshack.us/img104/...listgn6.th.jpg

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Originally Posted by Murfios

DUDE! Al least you have the basic idea and the program!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try to make them look incaish, you know like wit the feathers! YOU have the potential, in fact, i would use that for a R:TW mod based on Zobies and stuff. Look for tutorials and others things to polish you skills.

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Zombie:TW :laugh4::laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Filibustería

This is my first experience with modelling... it scares me...:laugh4:
https://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?...officernz7.jpg

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Al menos tu puedes hacer eso, en cambio yo no puedo

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Originally Posted by Murfios

List of some icons....
cant get them to be bigger...
https://img104.imageshack.us/img104/...listgn6.th.jpg

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The Diaguita are known by their pottery, so a jar or a vass would be a better icon for them.. i think

I like the icons, but the tacopan one seems to be to white.

hmmmm....ironia. Yo tengo 3dmax 7 y 8, pero no los puedo usar. No tengo la menor idea de como funciona.

Hey Lignator, did you ever find a site to get a good DDS plugin? (you're using GIMP, right?)

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Originally Posted by Filibustería

The Diaguita are known by their pottery, so a jar or a vass would be a better icon for them.. i think

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yeah...but, lets say, Mexicans are knowed for their tasty tacos, but they would not like to have one depicted as their National Flag...Limited info about Diaguita is knowed, so an abstract Icon could fit them.

Yeah, the white one looks all white...Ill tone it down a bit.

I was making a new loading screen, but this crap of a pc I have got jammed and I lost all 2hours of work.

SSjVegetaTrunks if you want the Inca thing on your sig, copy paste this into it DONT INCLUDE the !!!! (delete them all)


[IMG]https://img361.imageshack.us/img361/2568/incalogota2.th.jpg[/IMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]

I tried, but:
The following errors occurred when this message was submitted:
You may not link to external websites in your signature.

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Yeah that happened to me to. Long time ago. My hypothesis is that you should get more posts. Maybe when you have 50?

Or maybe it's when I stop being a junior member?

Posible....yeah, thats it.

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hmmmm....ironia. Yo tengo 3dmax 7 y 8, pero no los puedo usar. No tengo la menor idea de como funciona

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My situation is even worse... i can`t use 3dmax until i dont make a major update to my computer , that would cost a fortune....

I`ve heard that to a certain extant, Maya is compatible with 3dsmax... could i use Maya ? WIll it work ?

Hmmm... we seriously need modellers, 2-3 of them....
Unfortunately, most of the modders from the TW community are thinking of Medieval II.

I have thought again about the suggestions some people give to us, that we should make the mod for Medieval II. Unfortunately, making a total conversion mod for Medieval II, at this moment, is practically impossible (due to the way CA made the game), and even if somewhere in a year or so the TW members could manage to crack somehow the game mechanisms, or CA release some help and information, making a modell/skin for a Medieval II unit, means 4 or 5 times more work than for a RTW one... It would be, more or less, a waste of time, considering the fact that we already know much about the whereabouts of RTW engine.

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This is my first experience with modelling... it scares me...

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It is a good start !! Make more attempts, and read some tutorials over there at the Scriptorium, and i`m sure that in 2-3 months you will be able to create realistic models with awesome skins ~;)

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Originally Posted by Murfios

hmmmm....ironia. Yo tengo 3dmax 7 y 8, pero no los puedo usar. No tengo la menor idea de como funciona.

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Nos pusimos bilingües hoy día, o eres de habla hispana?

I'll try to make a loading screen. It will be good practice for me learning to use GIMP before I find out how the DDS plugin works.