King of the Romans OOC thread VII

It could make RP sense, as a way of repenting for the bloodshed involved in taking a settlement and to atone for the sin of attacking a fellow Christian nation, by giving it to the pope for extended governing and making sure that there will be no further bloodshed there.
I can see what you mean though, as it does in a way decrease the amount of units the enemies will field in that direction. OTOH is makes expansion tougher for us too and has some serious consequences if we ever get excommed again, as the pope might well attack us.
Probably an OOC CA would be good to determine by an OOC vote whether a given settlement may be given to the pope or not.

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Originally Posted by OverKnight

It's too bad we can't go back and modify the King's Purse. I've been playing an HRE campaign VH/VH and doubled everyone's but mine, and it's been a satisfying game. I'm in this huge never ending war on my Eastern frontier with the Poles and Russians, the hordes keep coming off the steppe.

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Yeah, would save the time involved in typing all those console commands and making sure you don't forget.
I've been playing my SP campaigns with the AI having 7-10k purse, which for the most part has been a fine experience, although they still run out of florins regularly.
Reducing build time for all buildings by 1 (for some silly buildings by more, i.e. academy or printing press, or theater) also helps the AI field late period armies faster and makes the game less of a drag.

haha no one has ever seconded any edicts or charter amendments i propose. whats so bad about midterm sessions? i thought it was a good idea

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Originally Posted by TinCow

From the Diet:



I really think we need to stop giving the Pope territories. That doesn't help anyone, including ourselves. A Papal 'buffer zone' will futher decrease the pressure on our borders. Durazzo already bugs me every time I load up the game. It makes no RP sense (for the Pope or us) and reduces the challenge.

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I agree.

It was only offered by me because I thought there was way too much territorial acquisition going on. I was actually surprised at the number of territories being taken and did not think the AHA had permission to acquire it.

Maybe its another excommunication issue what to happen :beam:

maybe if we got venice excommunicated somehow it could be more fun...

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Originally Posted by gibsonsg91921

haha no one has ever seconded any edicts or charter amendments i propose. whats so bad about midterm sessions? i thought it was a good idea

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Well, we have the option of an emergency session, and the people who can call it have been expanded.

Also, I like to keep up the pace of play, and I don't like the idea of doubling the amount of four day Diet session and voting blocs.

Keep trying you'll pass something.

How bout:

Edict 10.4: Kittens are cute.

Paint the map black and white with a few gold linings? :grin:

Overall, during my term we took 3 settlements after subtractions.
In addition to those 2 we kepts (Paris, Sofia, Edessa) we retook Thorn and Zagreb and took Durazzo but gave it to the papacy.

if edict 10.1 passes, i want some gothic knights in that teutonic crusade :drool:

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Originally Posted by OverKnight

Edict 10.4: Kittens are cute.

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I cannot support this edict. Kittens are annoying, they scratch and bite. Later, they turn into cats. I can only support this edict if it is amended such that the kittens are replaced with puppies, who are indeed very cute.

tag on a rider including bunnies

We currently got 2 Gothic Knights at experience 1 with weapon upgrade. To get them to Franconia though, it would either have to be the long route via Vienna, Prague, Thorn or the short route via Bran, eastern Budapest border and Krakow.
The short route is guarded by Hungarians and Poles of course :D

TBH, I was thinking of using the first batch of Gothics together with the two Two-handers to get Hans to Outremer and fight some Mongols. Been a long time since I last did that.

Btw, Thorn should be upgradable to a citadel soon or I'm currently doing that. Forgot which of the two.

I agree Durazzo is odd - I would rather we traded land for peace, although that may be hard to pull off. I noticed there was a Council of Nobles mission to retake Durazzo... :eyebrows:

On the OOC Amendments, we can make OOC arguments here and in character ones in the Diet. I am fine with people voting on either, and voting either way. Just because I proposed it for OOC reasons, doesn't mean it can't be opposed for either OOC or in character reasons. When we do another campaign, I'd be inclined to propose something similar to CA10.2 (or stronger) in the rules to constrain us. Maybe even a "homelands" rule - you can only recruit in your starter provinces + a few.

I agree there is quite a lot of juice left in the PBM. The votes in the Diet session are the way in which players collectively can control its direction.

I think for the next PBM it would be worthwhile to pre-plan on all kinds of game mechanics we'd want to set before starting the Grand campaign, as some things can only be changed before a campaign is started.
Example: Victory conditions, Timescale, starting settlements/units, AI favorite behavior, king's purse, age of characters, names, base unrest, merc availability/experience.

But I'm thinking too far ahead now probably.

The mission to retake Durazzo is the bug-type mission though: annex. Never works even if you do it properly.
CA 10.2 is not really OOC. You wrote it well enough to be accepted ICly.

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What makes you think she's a witch?
Well, she turned me into a newt!
A newt?
I got better.

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Sorry, just finished pasting together Gerhard Steffen's bio and I couldn't resist.

[edit] Ok, all photos and basic world info updated in the Library. The rest of the info will be updated tomorrow. Apologies for the slowness, but this stuff takes longer and longer as the game gets going. A full Library update is now running me 3+ hours.

Gunpowder has been discovered? That is good news!

No hurry TinCow, your efforts are really appreciated!

Thanks very much for all the effort your putting in, TinCow! 3 hours certainly is a long time.

As a side note, has anyone noticed how well the English are going?

ya, looks like the scots are done. I think you guys should leave an ave of expansion for them in France or they might declare war much sooner.

Yes, England already has several large armies on the Continent and they will certainly become more active there with Scotland nearly dead. Spain also looks like it will take full control of Iberia in the near future. There are several major Moorish and Portuguese armies there, but Spain has more armies and more resources, so victory looks just like a matter of time for them.

neat work TC - is england still our ally?

yes

Hey AG, I know how you feel, since becoming Duke of Bavaria Gerhard's been as useful as a chocolate teapot.

expansion of 1 region/house/chancellorship would give us 3 more chancellorships (assuming we have 33 regions now), but I'm not sure if that's slow enough.

Strictly limiting expansion for the next 40-60 years or so is probably best so that we get to fight some large Spanish and English armies, maybe we should aim for a net expansion of Ajaccio and Krakow with the rest of our conquests either abandoned or used for diplomatic ends?

edit: wewt wewt TC on the Library update, and WTH, 20 years in rome and I'm still a blighted hypochondriac, Damn it.

Well, at least you got rid of the warts and cough...

Are we going to help the Portuguese? Spain look set to gobble them up by the next chancellorship.

Also, OK sounds too mature compared to TC's char... :P

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Originally Posted by StoneCold

Also, OK sounds too mature compared to TC's char... :P

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Guilty. :embarassed: I'm doing the best I can to build a new character. It's not working out as I thought it would. Besides the other new avatars have the market cornered on being fiery hard chargers, I guess Matt is the somewhat bookish wonk lost in the background. Still I don't think Otto would have recklessly gone after a sitting Chancellor like that. Except when he berated Leopold, but that was a special circumstance. :laugh4:

Oh well, I can always chalk up his maturity to the fact that he's Elsebeth's pool boy.

matthias's grandma has got it going on shes all i want and ive waited so long. o wait..

hey anyone want to join magna carta? we need more barons and its really cool. u can play both magna carta and kotr, in fact almost all of us are. u can fight civil wars or prove your loyalty to the king. its getting started - join and reserve your avatars, quick!

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Originally Posted by Stuperman

Hey AG, I know how you feel, since becoming Duke of Bavaria Gerhard's been as useful as a chocolate teapot.

expansion of 1 region/house/chancellorship would give us 3 more chancellorships (assuming we have 33 regions now), but I'm not sure if that's slow enough.

Strictly limiting expansion for the next 40-60 years or so is probably best so that we get to fight some large Spanish and English armies, maybe we should aim for a net expansion of Ajaccio and Krakow with the rest of our conquests either abandoned or used for diplomatic ends?

edit: wewt wewt TC on the Library update, and WTH, 20 years in rome and I'm still a blighted hypochondriac, Damn it.

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Hey Stuperman,

I'm glad someone is feeling the same way.

When Ituralde crushed those Hungarian's I'm going to be hanging on every word.

By the way Ituralde, you must kill every single prisoner you take!! I need MORE DREAD!!

GIVE ME MORE DREAD FATHER!!!

I really like Ignoramus's idea to have sub-provinces with thier own defence force, It would free up the household armies (which Franconia and Austria need) and allow for another active command which wouldn't hurt especially with all the new players joining recently.

I think only Franconia would benefit from 2 armies to defend against Poles and advance against Russians.

Swabia maybe could use 2 to defend the southern border, but the French so far have been quiet down there.

Bavaria won't need a second one as Italy is secure. Once the Milanese are gone, I wonder if they'll even need one at all till the Sicilians betray us.

Austria used to need 2, but with Durazzo being papal now, will only need 1 to defend Budapest. Sofia can defend itself with a general present and can fend off Bucharest and Thessalonica incursions as well as the odd stack wandering down from Bran.
Perfect positions for Austria would be 1 fort at the border to Bran, just about where the current fort is, and one fort slightly north west of Sofia. Arnold and Sigismund should be well suited for that and allow me to move to Outremer or France, depending on how things go.

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I think only Franconia would benefit from 2 armies to defend against Poles and advance against Russians.

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And that's why I wanted that small crusade, so I would get a "free" army for it.

The thing Franconia would need is a small army in the west, but Prince Jobst is currently doing that job.

I would prefer two standing armies. Call me power hungry but one to attack and one to defend is nice plus it drains our over bloated coffers nicely :)

I'm annoyed that I/we gave the Pope Daruzzo now...god damn it!!

I have no one to fight!! :oops:

Can't we do something :yes: :wall:

Wanna come to the Outremer? We have Horse Lords, in stock and at very reasonable prices!

"I'm off," said the madman.

I'll be back on Saturday. Don't leave me a crushing amount to read. :laugh4:

AG: You'll have enough to fight. You are besieged by the Hungarians in your little fort afterall. :grin:

Looking at the Family Tree (good work as always TC) it seems our Empire is filled with a bunch of confirmed bachelors. Outside of the Swabians, none of the latest generation is marrying. We currently have enough avatars, I'm just worried a bit about the future.

I've given up trying to understand the various family tree mechanics. I guess there's not much to do about it. The only thing I could think of would be to arrange "accidents" for some of the avatars who won't be claimed.

Aye, we should get more married generals. But do we have some princesses ourselves who we can marry to our own generals?


just checked: Lyse von Salza is about to come of age if I'm correct. We should marry her to a good own family member (good traits for get children and such so we atleast get some again) imo.

Intriguing news about the Princess, that should set off a "Who wants to marry into the Royal Family?" contest among the Houses. It will only add more spice to the game.

The last Princess character we had set off quite an interesting chain of events. :wink:

Is Lyse von Salza Jobst's daughter?
If so, I might make it a thing where Jobst is a sort of choosey father.

I looked through all the threads and really a bunch of things have happened. I'm pretty impartial on most of the Amendments proposed so far. I think we're doing quite fine, balancing OOC with IC, balancing expansion and so on.

What I found really hard though is to find another character to give some agenda, some special meaning, most of the unclaimed ones look rather bland. Mabye the guy freshly married into the House of Franconia, he looks like a new face. With the Diet session this advanced though, I don't want to introduce anything new just yet.

For now, I'm gonna act as an anonymous Austrian Elector, Austria really needs some voting powers anyway. Once the Diet is over, I see what'll crop up.

Cheers!

Ituralde


P.S: That is, if the House of Franconia wants to have me! :beam:

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Originally Posted by Warluster

Is Lyse von Salza Jobst's daughter?
If so, I might make it a thing where Jobst is a sort of choosey father.

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I think we did agree that the Emperor should decide who princesses (ie ones with their own avatars) marry. So if she spawns when you are Kaiser, I think it should be your call (even if she is not your daughter - I am vague on whether only the faction leader's daughters are princesses).

I think that was only princess characters, who are of course the Emperor's daughters.

Female offspring are considered princesses if at the time of marriagable age, they are the daughter of either a factionleader (can be dead) or a factionheir (must be alive)

Our future heir won't have troubles finding a bride as we can buy one off the other factions.

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P.S: That is, if the House of Franconia wants to have me!

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We'll make a poll ~D


btw I did multiple kill Henry's and:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Siegfried keeps becoming prince

So you know who to choose would you want to become prince, and who to choose if you don't want to.


I believe Prince's daughters and Emperor's daughters become princesses, but most of the time the Prince's daughters won't come of age while he is still alive.

It must change each turn. I remember I remember a while back that it was Peter who would be heir.

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Originally Posted by Ignoramus

It must change each turn. I remember I remember a while back that it was Peter who would be heir.

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Did about 10 different scenarios

The heir changes usually if there is a change in family tree structure, i.e. someone coming of age, adoption, marriage in between. If you just end turn a few times and do some non tree related stuff, it won't change.

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I'm interested who becomes heir if you kill Siegfried off. Wanna run a concurrent scenario, Stig? You on your end, I on mine.

Well in one I killed Arnold, in another Sigismund (hey they came under attack) and I married some girls. So it should have been changing

OK, after a few tests it seems that Elberhard would become heir if Siegfried is killed in 1240.
Two unassigned avatars :grin:
I suppose if we all agree, we could set the next heir via console and then kill off Siegfried to force the game into accepting the player-chosen heir.

Or someone can take Siegfried, I'm against killing him

Kill a Swabian if you want to kill someone, I heard this Hans-fellow can easely be killed ~D

If things work out how Stig says, I would like Ituralde to take Siegfried - I think he'd be a good Emperor and it alleviates the short term problem of the absentee Austrian avatars.

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Originally Posted by econ21

If it is just a day, I'll extend it. But if we get going earlier (ie Sunday or Monday), it might be better for you to give me advance notice of any votes. It would be good if candidates could declare early, and any controversial edicts placed early, so GH can post his vote.

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So what's the deal here? Is the election going to be extended by a day?

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Originally Posted by econ21

I think we did agree that the Emperor should decide who princesses (ie ones with their own avatars) marry. So if she spawns when you are Kaiser, I think it should be your call (even if she is not your daughter - I am vague on whether only the faction leader's daughters are princesses).

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Pick me, pick me!!

I have not looked at the family tree to see if that's "just not cricket"...but marriages are a great way to spice up the role play.

Remember, Jobst was adopted, so his daughter is not a blood relation to anyone outside her immediate family.

Besides this is European royalty we're talking about, aren't they all terribly inbred anyway? :laugh4:

Marry Péter von Kastilien - everyone loves a rabble-rouser.

atleast wait till she's of age

paedophiles :whip:

What happens if you marry someone to somebody else from the family tree by the way? I mean will the female swith over to the male or the other way around? Just curious!

And I must say the prospect of playing a future Prince intrigues me. Still I wanted to wait this Diet session, before I do anything radical.

Other way around.

The male switches as he becomes a prince

Actually the female moves to the male in the tree, leaving a blank spot where she was.

Game only prohibits the closest incest (parent/offspring, full-sib mating). All other forms are possible.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

So what's the deal here? Is the election going to be extended by a day?

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No - polling will open tomorrow morning for just 24 hours. GH has PMd me with his vote. We'd have to extend by three days to include him otherwise.

Stig:
I don't know what you avatar is on about in the diet, but that's a lot of false information.
Pop levels do stop eventually (for huge cities at 72000) but squalor cap is usually reached quite a bit in advance at around 30-35k. Once the squalor cap is hit, any pop growth only contributes to taxes but not decreased PO.

Also, having high taxes does not lower PO over time. Its a constant hit as long as taxes are up that is not increasing over time at all.

So Ituralde,

Are you taking my 6th Austrian Elector position or defecting to the Franconian's? :)

I'd like you to stay in the Austrian camp as I just roleplayed my Dukey stuff.

Let me marry the wench!! :)

Can someone post up her avatar photo so I can see if she's hot enough for Arnold?

Wouldn't edict 10.8 need approval of the Kaiser as he is the only one who can control the distrobution of settlements?

Indeed it would. So if it falls in Warluster's term, its up to him to decide whether it may be given away or not.

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Originally Posted by AussieGiant

So Ituralde,

Are you taking my 6th Austrian Elector position or defecting to the Franconian's? :)

I'd like you to stay in the Austrian camp as I just roleplayed my Dukey stuff.

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I think he said he's in Austria for this election, but might switch afterwards.

AG: That edict 10.8 is kind of dangerous.
Firstly, it will be given to them whether we are at war or not.
Secondly, having the chancellor ensure a land bridge using all means at our disposal would mean mandatory conquest of all Byzantine territories if they declare war on us or huge payments to regain an alliance+access.

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Originally Posted by Stuperman

Wouldn't edict 10.8 need approval of the Kaiser as he is the only one who can control the distrobution of settlements?

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

Indeed it would. So if it falls in Warluster's term, its up to him to decide whether it may be given away or not.

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Yes and no. The Kaiser's approval is only required for giving away Imperial settlements. If econ21 allocated Sofia to Austria before he dies, it is no longer an Imperial settlement and AussieGiant is free to do what he wants with it.

It's an edict so I assume it would be handled using the legislation authority rather than the Kaiser's authority.

It's an easy way to manage an exception to the rule.

TC is of course our consituational lawyer so I believe he is correct :)

Of course the edict is dangerous FH, that's the whole point!!

We're coasting through this mate, I can create a mine field of legislation if I put my mind to it :)

I did study history and political science for 7 years, I roleplayed some absolute ball tearers in my time :yes:

jees I'm just spamming away now.

The Austrian House should include the following provinces.

Vienna - Imperial Large City, Capital of Austria Unassigned/Arnold ??
Prague - Imperial City Unassigned / Arnold ??
Zagreb - Imperial City Zird
Venice - Imperial Large City Sigismund
Budapest - Imperial Large City 6th elector
Ragusa - Imperial Fortress Arnold

How do I check if this is accurate?

1st page C + G report thread has a listing of the territories, scroll down a bit. It might not be updated with your latest promotions however.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...81&postcount=1

Thanks OK,

So the other provinces in Austria are allocated by the Kaiser or not? There seems to be a gap hey?

Cheers
AG

If there are counties in a Duchy that do not have a count, the Duke (I.E. you) sets the queues, if that's what your asking.

The Kaiser assigns Imperials lands, if any, to Houses if he wants. Any unassigned Imperial lands are given build queues by the Kaiser.

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Originally Posted by OverKnight

If there are counties in a Duchy that do not have a count, the Duke (I.E. you) sets the queues, if that's what your asking.

The Kaiser assigns Imperials lands, if any, to Houses if he wants. Any unassigned Imperial lands are given build queues by the Kaiser.

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So how do I tell if Vienna, Prague and Ragusa are Austria or Imperial?

I guess Vienna is but Prague and Ragusa I'm not sure about.

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

Stig:
I don't know what you avatar is on about in the diet, but that's a lot of false information.
Pop levels do stop eventually (for huge cities at 72000) but squalor cap is usually reached quite a bit in advance at around 30-35k. Once the squalor cap is hit, any pop growth only contributes to taxes but not decreased PO.

Also, having high taxes does not lower PO over time. Its a constant hit as long as taxes are up that is not increasing over time at all.

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Not true imo. I've done high taxes multiple times, and every time unhappiness keeps growing overtime (takes long but it happens)

Most likely due to some heretic cropping up, a blocked trade route or increased population growth over time (squalor cap is 80% but does take time to get there, especially with higher taxes). Also governors picking up bad traits result in higher unrest.

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Originally Posted by AussieGiant

So how do I tell if Vienna, Prague and Ragusa are Austria or Imperial?

I guess Vienna is but Prague and Ragusa I'm not sure about.

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The first post in the Chancellor and Governors reports thread (the one that OK linked to) ends with a list of provinces by house.

This race for chancellor seems to be quite interesting, although its pretty clear that Fredericus will win.
Hümmel doesn't have too many chances with a lot of opposition, Jobst will become Emperor by priviledge next term so unlikely to be voted, Hans was just chancellor and people tend to vote differently, leaving only Fredericus in the field who econ endorsed :grin:

Of course that is only my reasoning. Chances are I might well be wrong.

Since the Swabian's secret forum isn't going that well, I'm trying to reinvigorate the Duchy of Swabia thread in the org and get more discussions going.

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

This race for chancellor seems to be quite interesting, although its pretty clear that Fredericus will win.
Hümmel doesn't have too many chances with a lot of opposition, Jobst will become Emperor by priviledge next term so unlikely to be voted, Hans was just chancellor and people tend to vote differently, leaving only Fredericus in the field who econ endorsed :grin:

Of course that is only my reasoning. Chances are I might well be wrong.

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Well Hümmel would mostlikely have had Franconian support would Fredericus not run for chancellorship.
Sides the emperor said he would vote Fredericus, that's +10, you need an entire house to outvote that alone.