Capo di Tutti Capi III [Concluded]

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I liked the Lewis Carroll mafia kills.

Vote: Kagemusha

He is the last remaining member of a mafia family. We can't go wrong there. Think about it: if all the other members are dead, as he has claimed, and he was formally inducted, then that makes him the new Don, right? Even if he wasn't planning on it before, he's now the head of his own one-man mafia outfit.

Taking that into account: while I certainly do not think Kage is to be trusted, we should probably keep an eye on Proletariat. We don't have to lynch her; she is most likely pro-town. But we shouldn't let her slip back under the radar (like Sasaki :brood:), in case there really is something fishy about her.

Vote: Kagemusha

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Originally Posted by TinCow

One thing that does give me pause is why there appears to have been a vigilante hit on Prole. Does anyone know who organized that thing and who participated? Those people need to be heavily scrutinized; there was a lot of work to be done last night, and whoever decided a vig kill or Prole was a priority has some serious questions to answer..

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Very well. T'was me. As was evident in the writeup, there was one person who did not send orders in. Thus, we failed, though it seems we would have failed anyways due to a protector. My view of prole was one of a player who is neither pro-town or pro-mafia. While she would undoubtedly have an impetus to take down mafia(as the ones most liable to kill her at night), her behavior for much of the game, in my mind, confirmed the reveal by Kage. Yes, Kage is a mafioso, but he has no reason to fib about Prole to get her lynched when his own mafia buddies could go after her at night(which seemed true).

Also, interesting that Prole was protected by a single protector.

Anyways, go ahead and shoot questions.

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Originally Posted by Shinseikhaan

Anyways, go ahead and shoot questions.

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Was ATPG involved in the planning of that hit in any way?

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Was ATPG involved in the planning of that hit in any way?

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Of course not. My objections to pizza still stand.

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Of course not. My objections to pizza still stand.

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What exactly are your objections?

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Originally Posted by TinCow

We were pretty sure Kage was still a wiseguy, while we were unsure of Leet's role. Based on that, we concluded that Leet was the more important target, as he was possibly the missing Made from that family (which Kage has recently stated was in fact the case). ATPG was trying to get a group together to kill Kage, but was unable.

One thing that does give me pause is why there appears to have been a vigilante hit on Prole. Does anyone know who organized that thing and who participated? Those people need to be heavily scrutinized; there was a lot of work to be done last night, and whoever decided a vig kill of Prole was a priority has some serious questions to answer.

[edit] On re-read, Kage appears to have said that atheotes was actually the Made and Leet was the Don. This would explain an innocent investigation result on Leet:

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Nope Leet was the made. Atheotes was the Don.

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Originally Posted by Chaotix

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I liked the Lewis Carroll mafia kills.

Vote: Kagemusha

He is the last remaining member of a mafia family. We can't go wrong there. Think about it: if all the other members are dead, as he has claimed, and he was formally inducted, then that makes him the new Don, right? Even if he wasn't planning on it before, he's now the head of his own one-man mafia outfit.

Taking that into account: while I certainly do not think Kage is to be trusted, we should probably keep an eye on Proletariat. We don't have to lynch her; she is most likely pro-town. But we shouldn't let her slip back under the radar (like Sasaki :brood:), in case there really is something fishy about her.

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Only made gangsters should be able to be Dons, not wiseguys i assume.

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

Nope Leet was the made. Atheotes was the Don.

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Originally Posted by Reenk Roink

Just that I had a source on Leet being cleared

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Reenk, you need to ask your source some pointed questions.

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Originally Posted by Centurion1

What exactly are your objections?

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His constant double-speak, his control over an entirely too large portion of townspeople, his waiting until just before the round he was possibly going to be lynched to reveal disco as a luca. That, and for all of the bluster that is made of what his protection groups is, he himself is unaccounted for, sans a kill against an innocent person which was made with a mafioso.

Kage your case is incredibly weak. you were a made gangster but you never killed anyone.......

I believe he said he is a wiseguy not a made.

If Kage is to be believed ATPG is playing both sides feeding information back and forth. That makes sense, as NO ONE has made any attempts on his life during night phases. If ATPG was such a threat to the mafia wouldn't they have at least tried to take him out by now. I think that adds some credence to what Kage is saying.

Without a Don or a Made Kage is back to his Wiseguy unaffiliated status. The question becomes can we trust him enough to go straight rather than get himself recruited again. I have to agree that doesn't seem like the best thing we can do.

So

Vote: Kagemusha

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Originally Posted by Centurion1

What about this kunai character. What is his angle? Does he intend to scare people off their chosen path?

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Hey buddy, don't make me sue you for copyright infringement of my ideas!

But that's still something to be considered since no one paid attention the first 2 times it was brought up.

I'm going to not vote for now, gonna get some rest (and yes I'm aware it's 11:30 am) and then do some more reading.

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Originally Posted by Centurion1

Kage your case is incredibly weak. you were a made gangster but you never killed anyone.......

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Lol! Where it said i was a made gangster? Id suggest you to try and read the thread before posting.:laugh4:

Vote: Gibsong

I want to know who you killed.

To me this is quite hilarious to be honest. Case against me is that Prole told some of you that i was recruited by discovery1. She has no proof of that except discos word. On the other hand i came completely clean about what i have been doing and i have done nothing that holds for lynching other then joined a mafia family without helping them anyway. Now im a wiseguy without kills just like i was in the beginning of the game, but im sooo terribly dangerous i need to be lynched.:skull:

On the other hand you have pizza who actually has killed an innocent and was behind lynch of a detective. Proletariat who you are not even questioning while she revealed herself to a mafia luca and gave a detective for that mafia family to kill. And you people are not even trying to make them talk. Maybe the fact is that you are beyond of questioning your "heroes" while both have done enough to warrant lynching. Good luck to you people.

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Originally Posted by woad&fangs

Vote: Gibsong

I want to know who you killed.

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We've been over this, I killed Quintus and only Quintus. I'm working in a pro-town vigilante group, scum-hunting.

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Originally Posted by gibsonsg91921

We've been over this, I killed Quintus and only Quintus. I'm working in a pro-town vigilante group, scum-hunting.

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Happy hunting. :balloon2:

Vote: Kage for obvious reasons.

I wish to hear more from prole, I must be the only one who doesn't know anything about her role/investigation results, and just WHY did she talk with a mafia don?

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Originally Posted by gibsonsg91921

We've been over this, I killed Quintus and only Quintus. I'm working in a pro-town vigilante group, scum-hunting.

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unvote: gibsong; vote: abstain

Ok, I didn't see that:yes:

Vote: Kagemusha

Considering the circumstances, a bandwagon vote is justified. As for myself, looks like somebody likes me, and somebody else doesn't...

Bad bandwagon...

With leet, disco, and atheotes dead kage is back to unaffiliated wise guy. Put him back in a prot group for now and go after one of those on pizza's list of guilty results.

Vote:Joe Monks

These huge bandwagons smell like mafia glad to lynch anyone but themselves. TinCow should know better imo...

select: Reenk Roink
vote: err... Gah! I guess Kage looks to be scum. Yet it might not be bad to get more than one person lynched. Especially considering the many kills this night. I'm gonna wait with voting. To see if someonelse appears to be a bad boy as well.

I just wanted to mention TinCow was not supposed to protect me last night, I was aware of it and thought I had protection from another source. So I ask that source, what happened?

Why are we lynching an unaffiliated wiseguy? With the rest of his family dead, he can't really do anything right now. Seems a waste of a lynch to me.

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Originally Posted by johnhughthom

I just wanted to mention TinCow was not supposed to protect me last night, I was aware of it and thought I had protection from another source. So I ask that source, what happened?

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I think you need to name and shame John.

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Originally Posted by Joe Monks

I think you need to name and shame John.

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Uh huh, you want him to name the doctor (?) who was supposed to protect him?

Why are we lynching kage instead of joe monks?

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Originally Posted by johnhughthom

I just wanted to mention TinCow was not supposed to protect me last night, I was aware of it and thought I had protection from another source. So I ask that source, what happened?

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Unless you're referring to another source:

Your protection moved off of you against my wishes late in the night phase. I requested an extension, but to no avail. I tried to ask for volunteers but no takers. We cannot change gears like that in the middle of a night phase. I apologize but this one is absolutely not my fault, and I did everything in my power to handle it, but it was too late.

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Originally Posted by Tratorix

Why are we lynching an unaffiliated wiseguy? With the rest of his family dead, he can't really do anything right now. Seems a waste of a lynch to me.

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at various times in Capo II, I was affiliated with, in order, the Stracchis, Tataglias, Cunnios, and finally Pentangelis. once you go mafia you... never go back.

unvote, vote: Joe Monks

At least make it a double lynch.

unvote: Kage, vote: Joe Monks

worst case scenario, we still get kage. i don't think anyone can deny that

Whats the tally. If its close I'll switch up my votes.