Evidently Pizza thinks that killing two townies is gonna avoid dragging the game out.
Think again, honey.
10-10-2017, 20:03
Zack
Re: Chess - Game Thread [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
talking to/about me smugly and condescendingly is one of my biggest pet peeves
I know I've been wrong about a lot, rubbing salt in the wound and taunting me about how wolfy i am etc just pisses me off and it's probably better if I just don't post at all
start figuring out how to solve the game when i flip town
:daisy:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
4 scums in 3 phases. We won't even see Night 3 this game, lock it, take it to the bank.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
If they got a roleblocker they can decide for themselves how swiftly the game's gonna end.
If I were them, I wouldn't even roleblock me, I'd just let it happen. It's all over.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Final score: 4 dead scums, 2 dead townies, pizza survives the game.
10-10-2017, 20:39
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Chess - Game Thread [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Manasi
Evidently Pizza thinks that killing two townies is gonna avoid dragging the game out.
Think again, honey.
Meh. Lets you not have to play since it's such a bad time.
Again, it's ripping off a band-aid. If you're town, you're relieved of duty and we can figure out where we went wrong later. You won't have to worry about it.
We don't play cat and mouse, it's cruel.
10-10-2017, 20:54
Dp101
Re: Chess - Game Thread [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
:daisy:
I am sorry that things are like this.
10-10-2017, 21:12
El Barto
Re: Chess - Game Thread [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Manasi
Evidently Pizza thinks that killing two townies is gonna avoid dragging the game out.
Think again, honey.
Isn't that what you're gonna do, this night and next?
10-10-2017, 21:19
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Chess - Game Thread [In Play]
Time to stop.
Neither are in a joking mood, so let's just advance the phase and deal with things in the AM.
10-10-2017, 21:26
El Barto
Re: Chess - Game Thread [In Play]
…we can't advance the phase.
10-10-2017, 21:36
Kagemusha
Re: Chess - Game Thread [In Play]
1 hours and 24 minutes until my untimely and unfortunate death. I think il have that cigarette now..
10-10-2017, 21:59
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Chess - Game Thread [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
…we can't advance the phase.
We can find a new topic.
My mistake, I got excited about our chances and it's clouded my judgment as to how to behave.
10-10-2017, 22:28
Manasi
Re: Chess - Game Thread [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Meh. Lets you not have to play since it's such a bad time.
Again, it's ripping off a band-aid. If you're town, you're relieved of duty and we can figure out where we went wrong later. You won't have to worry about it.
We don't play cat and mouse, it's cruel.
It'll be great to know that you spammed the entire game being completely wrong and you're just going to shrug it off with a lolmafia.
Enjoy.
I'm out.
10-10-2017, 22:32
Montmorency
Re: Chess - Game Thread [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I don't even think any of those leans are that controversial at this point.
Pretty sure we all solved this game and our only quibbles are exactly where people go in the POE and some folks just haven't had the time to do the work to lock in their fellow lock townies or don't have the same exact brainwave I do on why they're town, but they're gonna get there anyway because we all know where to go next so it doesn't matter.
OK, we see Zack and Manasi have some raw feelings to vent, as you would expect if they were either alignment, but...
I guess your advice would be that if they feel crushed by the game and have no desire to try to deal with it/possible nonsense, then even as townies they need to die (as well for their own sake).
Is there another way? It's a brutal situation. I was already feeling numb to the process and there's no threat of being methodically torn limb from limb by Inquisitor Pizza and his mob.
:shame:
Crushing scum feels easier when the doomed don't pour their hearts hopes and dreams out, and die without a whisper. Right? Tell me other times with relentless POE were more sporting. (I bet it's the role action).
feel awful not posting, but i have nothing whatsoever to say and i'm incredibly tired
so
hi
and bye again
10-10-2017, 23:01
Sooh
Re: Chess - Game Thread [In Play]
Friends.
I come to you with a sad message. Upon arriving here today I heard that yet two more players have left our fold. I can't really get into what happened in too much detail, as it would damage the current investigation.
Instead I can tell you that we are still going to play some more chess today!
Please do check the roster though. Your matches have been redrawn since these two won't be joining us:
You hold the record for being the youngest Grandmaster ever, taking the title at 12 years and 7 months. You have won many championships, including the Chess Olympiads, in which you have secured several medals for Ukraine and later Russia. Your peak rating was 2788.
You are a Vanilla Town.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Zack was Wesley So, a Filipino-American chess grandmaster and current US Chess Champion.
You used to be known as a child prodigy, however now that you're all grown up and your records are smashed by the even younger and better you aspire to take the chess throne from one Magnus Carlsen. Your current rating is 2792.
Seeing as you no longer have world domain, you have joined ranks with three other individuals, and in your secret lair you plot for revenge on a chess world that's full of power struggles, drama and sore losers.
tfw game becomes hard to tolerate so buddies with friends
it's ok
i'm bad
glglglglglglglgl hammer away fronds.
what a sick wolf team if i was on it they coulda won
10-10-2017, 23:31
Manasi
Re: Chess - Game Thread [In Play]
kinda mad @ zack for taking my emotions and going ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ yes this ok i feel this too
fuk u kid
10-10-2017, 23:33
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Chess - Game Thread [In Play]
Thanks for the gun, Santa. :san_smiley:
You can stay anonymous. You'll flip the correct role when you die, if you're ever under pressure you can claim it. It shouldn't be counterclaimed except by scum, which is still suicide.
Doc still alive, gift giver still alive.
I'm already fine with a hammer. Whenever you guys are. If it's wrong we can use night for discussion.
I did check the thread before this, I see Kage is dead and Zack-scum got vigged. Cool beans, Pizza.
CUTH ISO
Since Kage wanted it. I quote but don't describe or analyze some of the posts that are a bit dense for me or refer to unfamiliar meta. I don't have any conclusions to make about it off the bat.
Cuth has 28 posts, all but one during D1. Here's his N1 post to start off, maybe this way helps to organize the relation between the D1 itself and our knowledge of D2.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
so we're sheeping pizza right
still think zack's town, still think dp's probably town
First block of posts (6 posts)
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
1. Banter with Pizza
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
pizza there's this guy in one of my classes who reminds me of you quite a lot
it's kinda funny
2. No takes at that stage of early game, (not too long after Pizza hooks onto Logic and 7 hours in). Better to return with rest.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
i have no hot takes to drop
feel like getting >twice as much sleep as i did last night and coming back to this thread is probably the best course of action
3. DP a little weird with the reaction test (referencing "SPICY" to Zack given a recent game where DP did that as mafia).
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
i did think dp's been a bit weird and the reaction test was really... stiff and ???
4. Some comment directed to Logic, I can't decipher it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
also
logic i think i've always assumed you've played chess because y'know
5. DP asks for comments on the push against him (DP). Cuth thinks it's lazy but not very serious or effective.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
not much of a push
i think the push itself is p lazy
but yeah someone voted you and you ~steppedish out of thread?
6. DP points out that he removed himself from the game for a spell to cool down from the push. Cuth asks why he thinks he got so upset. DP asks why he felt so antagonized right away, Post 353.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
fair enough
why do you think you got particularly upset over that in particular in particular in particular?
Cuth returns most of a day later to drop several blocks over a period of hours, making the largest overall share of his activity. Here's the second overall block of posts (5 posts).
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
7. Responding at length to a large post by Zack on why [Zack] decided to townread DP, mixed feelings on reinoe, and sussing Winston. Cuth has rested but has similar opinions to before: opposite conclusion on DP's behavior, who might be practicing meta-based WIFOM. Reinoe stood his ground which wolves find aversive, agreeing that it looks decent for reinoe but on meta has come to feel that other scum (players known to Cuth and Zack) can pull it off. Agrees as he talks that DP just "feels" town, though initially he was going to say ~neutral. Ultimately DP is acting in his scum range and he doesn't like how GH and some others are locking him already. Finally, Pizza had one post with town-lean tells.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
yeah ok so
this
this addresses a lot of things i want to address
i slept on my thoughts, but my opinions on this game are still fairly similar to what they were
1. you're... i don't think you've giving him as much credit as ye should?
i got the opposite impression, that he was doing it in a really clunky and... calculated way that was obviously gimmicky
this was making sure someone asked him about it, this wasn't lay a little bait to see if you pick it up
i think dp is the sort of player in whose range it would be to say if i do this it will likely be perceived as lol awkward villagery?
2. i would have agreed with you in the past
but lissa in particular and a few others have reacted in a quite similar way as wolves
i do think it's... not bad at all for him
also i
you know
i'm stopping
wrt point three, i was going to say that i thought his game was ~neutral
but as i talk about it i do feel like
the simpler/more straightforward solution here is that he's just a villager
that said, i think it still overlaps somewhat with his wolf range, and i do have an issue with gh/others? locking him in at this stage of the game, especially given weak reasons of meta tells that dp is certainly aware of and well able to use/manipulate at this point
could well be that there are other unspoken reasons but /shrug
also i thought his "pizza has one tell" post was villagery so
8. Expressing bemusement at GH's attempt to wagon him [Cuth].
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
my what now
9. Reads Zack town. Also thinks Winston is town, but can't figure out why so put that on hold.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
zack's a villager
he has all the things i look for, plus being more open/communicative about said things and his thought process
pizza's very probably a villager as well, from posting/gamestate/way people are reacting to him/his attitude towards the game so far
lines up very nicely with the last several villager games i've played with him in the last >year, and not with his wolf games
so
yee
also i think winston's very villagery but i have no idea why so i'm putting that on hold for now
10. Mixed feelings on the limited content from Manasi so far.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
manasi who knows
started with content, which is by The Meta wolfy, but was quite aware that she did so and
hasn't really given enough at this point for any reasonable read of much solidity
11. Slaan opened weak and further posting had bad elements, but it's within his town meta.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
i remember thinking slaan's opening yesterday was weak
it still lined up with how i feel he can play as villager
his posts since them have also been underwhelming/going in strange directions/unnecessary shadingtypestuff
it still lines up with how i feel he can play as villager
12. Zack criticizes fencesitting in Cuth's read of DP. Cuth says that's the point, that they more or less agree on DP but Cuth feels less strongly that DP is town.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
no that's kinda
the gist?
there is no reason to scumread him, and i do agree with you for the most part, if not to the magnitude that you do
13. To Zack weakly sussing him for going after easy or consensus reads on strong players, Cuth gives a fairly genuine-sound self-meta explaining that he doesn't want to recklessly throw out leans any more and that in this game he has two town reads (DP and ?) and the rest are all wobbly. Zack's response is included below.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
...
i honestly don't know how i can be clearer or communicate my thought processes to you better
there was a time when i would have come in with many reads, including very probably several incorrect wolf leans
i've changed, and i have different aims and beliefs about the game than i did when i played with you in the past, for the most part
i legitimately have a wobbly read on everyone in the game except for the two people i have called villagers, as you said
i'm honestly doing my best to show the thoughts i am having
don't really know what else to say, but felt like i should say something
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
I don't have any problem with your communication this time around, per se. But you very quickly called me, winston, and pizza all villagers pretty easily, when despite the number of words you've written about others, haven't really come to any conclusions. It pings me, ducy.
45 minutes later Block 4 (4 posts) begins, spread out over a slightly longer period of time.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
14. Cuth asks DP for a spicy take, and gets Csargo as the answer. Zack wonders if DP distinguishes between not-wolf and town, since even though he doesn't like the Csargo push calling him town is a leap.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
dp, gimme a spicy take
15. Cuth tells Zack that he doesn't have much of a read on Winston, who has burned him in the past. His feelings are unstable.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
i don't have much of a lean on winston
i've been burned in the past
i'm not going to maintain that as a read unless i actually can come up with some reason
16. GH is popping in around now, and as Pizza (or Kage?) noted he doesn't mention Cuth again despite ostensibly pushing him. As for Cuth, he responds to DP's town-read on Csargo.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
how so tonally sound
i agree that lack of wim is a bad reason and is generally, including in this case, nai
nevertheless
do you mean "didn't make any obvious wolfslips"
or does the fact that there's a bad case on him make you think he's more villagery
but fair enough i'm fine with this read and the way you phrased it
17. Zack in turn presses Cuth on calling Winston a villager. Cuth retorts by posting gibberish and quoting where [Cuth] said that he isn't holding on to a read of Winston.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
mepmep3char
Block 5 begins half an hour after the end of Block 4 (5 posts).
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
18. Slaan is calling Cuth's post about him empty words for making knowledge claims about Slaan's meta. Cuth goes into depth.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
no? i haven't read a single wolfgame from you, i'm just comparing it to when i have played with you, particularly anni
you just
are going in directions that... i don't expect and i don't think are the most productive, and i'm honestly not going to bother isoing you and quoting more
because it's a relatively thin read from my single read-through of this thread
and there's no huge reason i feel is making me want to or need to figure you out at this point
and... most people didn't have that weak of an opening? or at least felt more natural or, as is probably more applicable in the case, acted like i'm used to them acting, in that i've played with most of them at least multiple times
do you have a particular issue with me talking through a read of you/anyone else if i don't come to a firm conclusion at this point in the game?
19. Continuing with Slaan, some self-meta.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
anni i wasn't as sleep-deprived, it was also lategame of a giant mash with tons of information and players as opposed to a relatively small game on d1?
if that makes any tonal differences for ye
20. Slaan feels Cuth's posts aren't good, but maybe he would be more concise as scum. Also, Cuth is lacking a direct agenda, even if that's not a good basis for a townread. A bit of shared meta. Cuth responds laconically.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
likewise
21. DP talks to Cuth about shared meta, other people in other games. Cuth expands a bit.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dp101
I understand the overall sentiment of this post, but I take issue with this portion of it. You know very well that I am not lissa, or "a few others", and personally, after playing with me for as many games as you have, I would think that you'ld know that I don't often do the expected thing. In particular, I really try and avoid getting heated as a wolf, because I feel it strays too close to the kind of emotional manipulation that makes me feel guilty, as opposed to the more fun gleefully lying about what I feel and why I feel it. Your first post is slightly accurate in that I can certainly imagine myself screwing around a little like that as a wolf, but overall I think I'd only do that at MU. After how fast I was caught as scum the one time I randed it on this website, I'm pretty sure that if it happened again, I'd be really frozen and clunky in my posting out of fear of that same kind of rapid collapse.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
yeah i know my point was more that i didn't think she'd react like that in a similar situation, but it did, ergo is possible for you
fair enough
that's kinda where i ended up at the end of the post, figuring you could and you definitely have the ability to, but is probably fairly unlikely given the context
22. Cuth thanks DP for his honesty.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
thank you for your honesty
i was actually wondering about that just the tiniest bit
and i completely understand
i think
i hope
Block 6 begins 1.5 hours later, tying off his string of posts for the time being (2 posts). kage is voting Cuth and wants other peoples' takes. Short exchange between Kage and Slaan on how Slaan sees Cuth and how it supports Kage's vote on Cuth.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
23. Cuth asks DP if he's having a nice evening. DP isn't, he's very busy, and how is Cuth doing?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
hey dp
having a nice evening?
24. Cuth tells DP what he's doing, banters.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
ow eesh
tests on weekend? that's rough
i have a goodly amount of homework, but have been slacking and just making cookies and talking on discord
gl with the hw, hope the stuff goes well and you don't have to stay up too late
The rest of his posts () are unorganized, they come toward EOD or the runup.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
25. A day after the last block, Winston is looking good and moves up in the pile. Pizza's gut reaction is to town-read this post, with long post and further discussion on Cuth and various matters.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
winston's stuff recently looks good
i like what he's doing and where he's going
movin' him up
Up to this post GH says Cuth looks a bit better than before, but isn't there yet. Slaan questions his impression of Cuth as a strong player.
Another favorable read post on Cuth by Pizza.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Strikes me as a real thought townies have.
It may not be a perfect process, but I often have to juggle who I invest my time in. I often deliberately put some people in a vaguely town or vaguely suspect limbo state and wait until they do more, or I have more time, to tackle the slot.
I feel like such thoughts go missing from a scum-perspective. That's not on the forefront of their mind which is why this is more town indicative when you see it.
It's not widely thought of as a town tell so only the truly best scum actors should be faking this brainwave.
That should mean I have a strong town read on Cuth by now. I don't think my gut has caught up to my head.
26. Cuth thinks Monty interacting with or pairing Zack-Winston early in the game was weird. It's not game related but Monty is trying to force it to be (?).
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
monty's interaction with winston/zack at the beginning of the game is really really weird
i just
don't think it's particularly game-related
it
still really just bothers me a little
i feel like he drags something that's unrelated anything out for no discernable reason?
it's not even fluff or stuff, it just feels like it's taking fluff and... almost trying to get it to a game-related area without doing so?
probably reading into it too much
27. Logic's post on being confused by Pizza's posting in a way similar to DP feels discredit-y.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
this post feels mildly discredit-y
10-11-2017, 00:01
Montmorency
Re: Chess - Game Thread [In Play]
You know, it's kind of amazing. We got (I'ma say we, don't get too arrogant here Pizza) a Zack-GH pairing eliminated so quickly. I feel empowered.
The last scum is very likely a low-poster. It seems we all know the score. Vote: Manasi
I'm should be arguing caution (here and on the race to lock town reads), but it's tempting - @Askthepizzaguy, do you think you want to put together one of those "epic" posts with the gifs and formatted text walls and embedded musics?
10-11-2017, 00:02
Montmorency
Re: Chess - Game Thread [In Play]
Actually. Unvote
Should we take today easy, or do we really rush through the hammer.
10-11-2017, 00:08
Montmorency
Re: Chess - Game Thread [In Play]
Now, my opinion summarized of the Cuth ISO:
Positive, genuine interactions with DP and Slaan are the best feature.
Generally a standard Cuth approach to the game and to thinking about things (though I've never seen him scum).
On GH-Logic spew that Pizza emphasizes, if it's two different scum doing separate things with Cuth, then for a D1 state that does look fairly clearing.
But it has to be re-evaluated in the last few rounds I think, if the game isn't over.
10-11-2017, 00:13
Montmorency
Re: Chess - Game Thread [In Play]
Oh yeah, and I should note that Zack displayed some aggression and nitpicking toward Cuth in the middle of the day.
10-11-2017, 00:15
Dp101
Re: Chess - Game Thread [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Now, my opinion summarized of the Cuth ISO:
Positive, genuine interactions with DP and Slaan are the best feature.
Generally a standard Cuth approach to the game and to thinking about things (though I've never seen him scum).
On GH-Logic spew that Pizza emphasizes, if it's two different scum doing separate things with Cuth, then for a D1 state that does look fairly clearing.
But it has to be re-evaluated in the last few rounds I think, if the game isn't over.
Side note, Cuth interactions with me that were genuine were fairly low key/not entirely game related, so I’m not sure how much they contribute to his innocence or lack thereof. Currently I’d place him at a bit above null.
In other news, I’m starting to wonder if there was even a purpose to me playing this game, given that my play has basically been watching Pizza solve everything and following. I mean, I kinda outed GH and Zack with my CFD opinion, but as much as I wish that I could call that a deliberate gambit, I was simply giving my honest thoughts at that point.
10-11-2017, 00:23
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Chess - Game Thread [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
I'm should be arguing caution (here and on the race to lock town reads), but it's tempting - @Askthepizzaguy, do you think you want to put together one of those "epic" posts with the gifs and formatted text walls and embedded musics?
I don't feel like doing anything right now.
Basically the only thing I'm prepared to discuss is why the people I've said are town are not town.
Until someone comes to me with something reasonable (which, be forewarned, I disagree with and am a skeptical audience, so don't expect me to roll over) I am prepared to POE this out.
Now, if someone wolfy crawled sky high in my and everyone's leans lists, good for them. Let the people who live to endgame sort it out.
Everything important that happened happened on day 1.
If Manasi was up to playing the game I'd be interested in hearing her thoughts, but since it's been I'm scum, and wrong, all game long, and she's stated she's not having fun, I'm more inclined to give her DVC asap. No more posturing or walls from me, no more AtE from anyone else.
