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Originally Posted by Maple

idk if wolf!lissa makes this post after kicking up a completely and obviously unachievable CFD onto waza then fair enough lol

i think youre coming down too hard on dya and stett here for the eod, ben. the eod was dumb as fuck and because of afks there were literally only two viable wagons. if ONLY we consolidated onto taff who *surely* will active her arso ability any day here

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this post doesn't make sense coming from v!lissa imo

the shiny claim part especially. thats legit wolf salt and/or salt antispew lol

"please seriously look at what waza was doing here tomorrow" is also like, blatant wolf line toiling on the emotion of eod voters

to be frank, wazas eod was a touch strange

but lissas reaction was so bad i dont care

i think it is a lissa/dya wolf team

Vote: lissa

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Originally Posted by Visor

to be frank, wazas eod was a touch strange

but lissas reaction was so bad i dont care

i think it is a lissa/dya wolf team

Vote: lissa

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i find some of his posts hard to fake from a wolf pov. asking a town PR to ignite stett for throwing is amazing work if wolf. i think it'd be hard as hell to assume as wolf that you'd need to get that heated to match your town emotions in that moment

benneh i just dont get the arctic stuff

i know it is old hat now, but you are a much more tuned in and switched on player than i am, how on earth did i come to the right read and you didnt lol

like just help me there

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Originally Posted by Visor

because nobody would listen to anything i have to say

but they will listen to ladd

(not even taking into consideration whether i am right or wrong)

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Hmmm I think realistically if it’s Ben and lissa they kill you over ladd

You are pushing both and ladd was locked in on Ben v

I’m pretty sure Ben is v too but idk if I’ll hard shield, I’m a little wary he’s pocketing me a bit with his reads on me last couple of days after I said on d1 he shoulda been townreading me… but this is probably just a dumb tinfoil with no merit. I think his posting is still pretty pure and yeah probs been tmi’d by wolves since everyone who could be in my poe has him as hard town lol

After EOD I thought maybe lissa/dya but idk why dya kills ladd unless lissa really wanted ladd gone

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Originally Posted by Visor

benneh i just dont get the arctic stuff

i know it is old hat now, but you are a much more tuned in and switched on player than i am, how on earth did i come to the right read and you didnt lol

like just help me there

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i was really sold on the slip, i was really convinced and confbiased by annika also SRing him + i did not at all buy his solve on me and lissa and how he re-entered overnight post-slip

by eod i did not feel the same but thats useless for you cause i was outta posts then (and also he made his final towny post so late it didn't really matter if i did have posts)

tl;dr i got tunneled and wanted to be right and i was being gussied up by several players for a good catch so i didnt wana let it go so i leveraged information disproporationately

happens to the worst of us

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

i find some of his posts hard to fake from a wolf pov. asking a town PR to ignite stett for throwing is amazing work if wolf. i think it'd be hard as hell to assume as wolf that you'd need to get that heated to match your town emotions in that moment

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This post doesn’t help my tinfoil on you :dizzy2:

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Originally Posted by waza

Hmmm I think realistically if it’s Ben and lissa they kill you over ladd

You are pushing both and ladd was locked in on Ben v

I’m pretty sure Ben is v too but idk if I’ll hard shield, I’m a little wary he’s pocketing me a bit with his reads on me last couple of days after I said on d1 he shoulda been townreading me… but this is probably just a dumb tinfoil with no merit. I think his posting is still pretty pure and yeah probs been tmi’d by wolves since everyone who could be in my poe has him as hard town lol

After EOD I thought maybe lissa/dya but idk why dya kills ladd unless lissa really wanted ladd gone

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i mean they cant kill me in that scenario anyway

if i die lissa always diies tomorrow

if ladd dies theres a chance

maple/lissa aren't paired from d1 so i'll just assume they aren't w/w pushing v!lissa wincon today. If so bleh w/e what can ya do. I dunno. Her yes anding of benneh when he was yapping about arctic's mech still didn't feel partnered.

so ig dya or maple and i just got yelled at to vote ender by wolves lol lmao

vote: lissa

re: ladd dying over whoever else:

1) it could be as simple as wolves trying to doc dodge a jailkeep. depends on who the wolves are in totality but given we didn't hit a wolf with the elim, they dont have to worry so much about the jailkeep clearing someone if they're targeted and a kill goes through. also, the town PRs, if real, aren't a huge threat to them atm (or at least perceived to be) so they probably don't want to kill in them hoping town does it instead

2) i don't really think that's the case. he was, IMO, pretty clear from eod yesterday so he's prob just a good kill for all the normal reasons

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Originally Posted by waza

This post doesn’t help my tinfoil on you :dizzy2:

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i don't really care and it probably won't matter (wolves will win or lose before i get mischopped this game)

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

re: ladd dying over whoever else:

1) it could be as simple as wolves trying to doc dodge a jailkeep. depends on who the wolves are in totality but given we didn't hit a wolf with the elim, they dont have to worry so much about the jailkeep clearing someone if they're targeted and a kill goes through. also, the town PRs, if real, aren't a huge threat to them atm (or at least perceived to be) so they probably don't want to kill in them hoping town does it instead

2) i don't really think that's the case. he was, IMO, pretty clear from eod yesterday so he's prob just a good kill for all the normal reasons

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Oh yeah jk

I forgot about that, lol if I had jk I probs woulda used it to doc visor last night so maybe that’s what wolves thought might happen

Still not a wolf. Still disappointed in benneh not being able to see that without relying on ladds read. It shouldn't be hard for him specifically to find me this game especially after yesterday.

I did vote lissa at some points yesterday but I guess I suck at reading g her now if she's a wolf

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Originally Posted by dyachei

Still not a wolf. Still disappointed in benneh not being able to see that without relying on ladds read. It shouldn't be hard for him specifically to find me this game especially after yesterday.

I did vote lissa at some points yesterday but I guess I suck at reading g her now if she's a wolf

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What did you find towny about lissa at eod?

I genuinely don’t know where I would go after lissa and I lowkey think we gonna lose anyways lol

Ngl I was thinking it was you dya for eod too, but that recent post felt kinda genuine lol

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Originally Posted by waza

What did you find towny about lissa at eod?

I genuinely don’t know where I would go after lissa and I lowkey think we gonna lose anyways lol

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I just felt some of her sentiments matched mine and I felt pretty lost at eod. I started wanting to vote her out. Idk man I just let her talk me out of it and I feel dumb

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Originally Posted by waza

Ngl I was thinking it was you dya for eod too, but that recent post felt kinda genuine lol

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You don't know me as well as Ben does tbqh. He knows better. I don't think I've ever moved my vote around like that as a wolf if I'm being frank

Fair, you mentioned Ben should be able to find you, specifically after yesterday. Which posts/parts of your play are you thinking you should be found off?

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Originally Posted by waza

Fair, you mentioned Ben should be able to find you, specifically after yesterday. Which posts/parts of your play are you thinking you should be found off?

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well, as a wolf I definitely tend to keep my vote more stable and argue for who I'm voting to be voted out, if i move it it's like once or twice. not whatever yesterday was. I guess I'm more decisive as a wolf and while it's something I have recognized and am working on, I don't think I could replicate yesterday, EOD included, as a wolf atp. I was solving all of yesterday, as well. In my typical way, which ben has picked up on before. Those are the main points.

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Originally Posted by dyachei

well, as a wolf I definitely tend to keep my vote more stable and argue for who I'm voting to be voted out, if i move it it's like once or twice. not whatever yesterday was. I guess I'm more decisive as a wolf and while it's something I have recognized and am working on, I don't think I could replicate yesterday, EOD included, as a wolf atp. I was solving all of yesterday, as well. In my typical way, which ben has picked up on before. Those are the main points.

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Can you talk me through your thought process behind each of the votes you made towards eod yesterday? I do agree in general that switching votes a lot is rand v but being reminded of the jk I just realise now the other wolf probs would have wanted to try really hard to make sure lissa doesn’t go over because if jk is real then we get a free green check to shrink the poe or a red check… as I say that I realise my best argument for why maples eod being maybe towny yesterday isn’t such a great argument in the context of wolves needing lissa to survive that eod

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Originally Posted by waza

Can you talk me through your thought process behind each of the votes you made towards eod yesterday? I do agree in general that switching votes a lot is rand v but being reminded of the jk I just realise now the other wolf probs would have wanted to try really hard to make sure lissa doesn’t go over because if jk is real then we get a free green check to shrink the poe or a red check… as I say that I realise my best argument for why maples eod being maybe towny yesterday isn’t such a great argument in the context of wolves needing lissa to survive that eod

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i wasn't trying hard to make sure lissa didnt go over at all, so like that argument makes no sense to me

I voted ender because i didnt have a read there and could have been wrong. I thought maple was being villagery more towards EOD. I still think taffy or maple could be a lost wolf so i voted there a bunch

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Originally Posted by dyachei

I just felt some of her sentiments matched mine and I felt pretty lost at eod. I started wanting to vote her out. Idk man I just let her talk me out of it and I feel dumb

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What makes you sure she’s wolf now? Just Enders flip or how did you process it ig


also dya, I found you early on d1, I’m not relying on ladds read for anything. I am frustrated that’s been a point of contention with regard to discussing your slot more than anything cause I’ve toenrrad nearly everything you had besides last nights eod

talk me thru who it is fypov if it’s not just lissa/maple, cause that means we have a misclear that’s pretty deep in the towncore and you have a pretty decent view of the game in that world

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Originally Posted by dyachei

i wasn't trying hard to make sure lissa didnt go over at all, so like that argument makes no sense to me

I voted ender because i didnt have a read there and could have been wrong. I thought maple was being villagery more towards EOD. I still think taffy or maple could be a lost wolf so i voted there a bunch

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Yeah im not trying to necessary say that argument applies to only you, i just think whoever the other wolf is they are probs on the ender wagon (which ig isn’t groundbreaking fmpov since it just implies visor v and not much else but yeah)

Well that blows.

I still don't understand what on earth waza was doing with that entire line if he is a villager and I struggle to believe it.

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Originally Posted by waza

I’ll be honest I don’t even think maple is a wolf

I was busy at eod so only checking in every now and then, I did tell myself if maple voted me I would vote them back (because Imo I felt town them should never side with lissa over me in that clash at eod) so yeah when I came back with 2 mins left I saw a glimpse of what may resemble a villagers legacy from lissa who was suggesting to keep an eye on me after she flipped

So yeah I voted maple

I went back and read everything properly after the flips when I had time and yeah that was stupid of me to flip, Lissas strength of her push on me is unfounded, claiming I was trying to bury her when all I was doing was asking a question over and over until she gave a satisfactory answer, this is in stark contrast to visor who was actually burying her for two days which she just ignored

So yeah probs just a wolf

Vote:lissa

I think maples eod is too comically paired with lissa to be w/w, but if they are already ignited I endorse taffy to just go full send on it because I don’t think we will ever be able to clear maple for good and yeah they had 3 criminal eods in a row, but my heart of heart thinks they’re wrong town gth

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Your question and comparison made zero sense to keep asking about, I answered it every time.

You straight up ignored a bunch of extremely obvious details and nuances of the two very different situations to equate them.

You were trying to gotcha me for total nonsense. I can't really believe that as a villager you think that entire line of thought made any sense in the way you went about it.

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Waza killing ladd is kinda weird but I don't think I care. I don't think waza needed him alive to be safe/live. He's a good, dangerous to wolves villager.

I think Maple is just a wolf? I reread the EoD and I'm pretty sure she was just like. Blatantly trying to look good off my flip and not expecting me to actually not go over. It reminds me of like..... really performative ways she would defend villas when we were wolfing together in our recent mashes. She was almost kinda taunting me about the fact that I was still gonna go over?

if I've just been stuck in that pocket for days it explains a lot actually

Her whole "attempt to save me" just seems like a performance. I really don't think she expected me to actually live.

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Originally Posted by Maple

Sorry bestie ill murder a wolf for you tmr promise

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like bro this is just straight up her taunting me about not being savable lmao

holy shit

It also fits with ladd dying. And it fits with waza deciding to vote off wagon on her when it pretty obviously wasn't going to go anywhere. And a couple of other ways waza has postured at/about Maple.

I was REALLY frustrated about ben capping off wagon after EoD started playing out like it did. It kinda made me worry a bit that he unvoted my counter while making himself unable to vote at eod but he is like, insanely town. And given flip it can't have been an attempt to protect wolf Ender. My read probably shouldn't be quite as strong as it was maybe idk but whatever he's just a villager almost certainly dude is blatantly town.

Stett is still just town.

Visor... should just be town?

Which leads me to think that if one of waza/maple is town or if there's another wolf, it's actually pzelda??

Dude has had a lot of like. WEIRD pov posts throughout this game. He was really villagery at points and I know a couple people have said he's way out of known wolf ranges but like. Idk it's been a few years since he played yeah? Stuff like that can get broken, I'm increasingly reluctant to put a lot of weight in it at this point. His read on me was... also really TMI-y when I think about it more. Locking me in for the reasons he did was too strong to make sense.

Also I think we ignore the lost wolf worlds for now cause it’s not fruitful to view the game that way this close to lylo IMO

even fi I think there’s a good chance it’s true

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Originally Posted by Lissa

Well that blows.

I still don't understand what on earth waza was doing with that entire line if he is a villager and I struggle to believe it.



Your question and comparison made zero sense to keep asking about, I answered it every time.

You straight up ignored a bunch of extremely obvious details and nuances of the two very different situations to equate them.

You were trying to gotcha me for total nonsense. I can't really believe that as a villager you think that entire line of thought made any sense in the way you went about it.

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Waza killing ladd is kinda weird but I don't think I care. I don't think waza needed him alive to be safe/live. He's a good, dangerous to wolves villager.

I think Maple is just a wolf? I reread the EoD and I'm pretty sure she was just like. Blatantly trying to look good off my flip and not expecting me to actually not go over. It reminds me of like..... really performative ways she would defend villas when we were wolfing together in our recent mashes. She was almost kinda taunting me about the fact that I was still gonna go over?

if I've just been stuck in that pocket for days it explains a lot actually

Her whole "attempt to save me" just seems like a performance. I really don't think she expected me to actually live.



like bro this is just straight up her taunting me about not being savable lmao

holy shit

It also fits with ladd dying. And it fits with waza deciding to vote off wagon on her when it pretty obviously wasn't going to go anywhere. And a couple of other ways waza has postured at/about Maple.

I was REALLY frustrated about ben capping off wagon after EoD started playing out like it did. It kinda made me worry a bit that he unvoted my counter while making himself unable to vote at eod but he is like, insanely town. And given flip it can't have been an attempt to protect wolf Ender. My read probably shouldn't be quite as strong as it was maybe idk but whatever he's just a villager almost certainly dude is blatantly town.

Stett is still just town.

Visor... should just be town?

Which leads me to think that if one of waza/maple is town or if there's another wolf, it's actually pzelda??

Dude has had a lot of like. WEIRD pov posts throughout this game. He was really villagery at points and I know a couple people have said he's way out of known wolf ranges but like. Idk it's been a few years since he played yeah? Stuff like that can get broken, I'm increasingly reluctant to put a lot of weight in it at this point. His read on me was... also really TMI-y when I think about it more. Locking me in for the reasons he did was too strong to make sense.

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Can you go more into Zelda and stett reads for me

lissa who are you saying is the second wolf to maple in that post, I don’t see a second wolf read but you’re talking about room for lost eolves

maybe a me problem

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

lissa who are you saying is the second wolf to maple in that post, I don’t see a second wolf read but you’re talking about room for lost eolves

maybe a me problem

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Waza.

Ok a me problem, I misread something

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Originally Posted by Lissa

Waza.

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So u think me and maple are w/w and I ended eod by asking maple to be invited and gave you a chance to cw them with me to which you replied “maple is just town” when I could simple just not offer that and vote either you or ender if that was v/v wagons

Anyways lol I don’t know what else to say to that other than lol

But yeah talk more about why Stett is town and your Zelda read, I’m curious on those. Preflip me town for a second and solve there