Stop being dense. You are just as hyperbolic as anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
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Stop being dense. You are just as hyperbolic as anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
Yeah, no, if I was being as hyperbolic as you I'd be calling you a race traitor.
Are you saying there is no racism anymore?Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
HoreTore showed long ago that Kadagar's sources on the IQ differences that he keeps bringing up are from racists and that they do not correspond with findings of more trustworthy researchers. Yet the argument of "asians are the most clever, africans are the most stupid, it's science" keeps coming up and I'm supposed to not call it racist or bring up the exact same arguments again every time? Wasn't it Einstein who said stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?
No it was the bad guy in farcry 3, and he was talking out his assQuote:
Originally Posted by Husar
Strangely enough I wasn't refferng to your little spat nor have I been paying it attention.
Racist is the new Godwin misused to the point of meaningless buzzword.
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert EinsteinQuote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
its actually a misquote - no-one is sure who actually said that - the first written example is a Hazelden Foundation pamphlet...
The quote has also been attributed to Mark Twain and Benjamin Frankilin...
It was also used several times by Vaas so Greyblades is actually closer to the truth :2thumbsup:
He generally is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Moody
Out of time now, will come back later :)
Couldn't you technically say that human is a race in itself and what is often described as races are phenotypes of that one race?Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(...lassification)
Therefore racism would be a meaningless buzzword, but at the same time all the "racial research" ever done on "differences between human races" would be meaningless as no such thing as different human races would exist.Quote:
Even though there is a broad scientific agreement that essentialist and typological conceptualizations of race are untenable, scientists around the world continue to conceptualize race in widely differing ways, some of which have essentialist implications.[14] While some researchers sometimes use the concept of race to make distinctions among fuzzy sets of traits, others in the scientific community suggest that the idea of race often is used in a naive[9] or simplistic way,[15] and argue that, among humans, race has no taxonomic significance by pointing out that all living humans belong to the same species, Homo sapiens, and subspecies, Homo sapiens sapiens.[16][17]
Making every argument about racial differences completely pointless as the differences between different phenotypes of humans are nowhere near big enough to warrant a classification as a different race, which was apparently just a pipe dream someone came up with at some point.
What a surprise, or was that not what you were aiming at?
Just like we have dogs, you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
By your point of view, a Rottweiler and a Chihuahua is the same, right?
Only difference would be that dogs have evolved in a SHORTER time period than humans... EDIT: Although of course more purposefully bred.
So yes, I can agree that we are all humans, regardless of culture, race, or whatever... Just like I can agree that dogs are all dogs.
With that said however, it is absolutely LUNATIC to believe that living entities, against all science, would evolve identically under different circumstances.
I mean, that is like a fundament of modern science, DUDE!!
I stand corrected. It seems it isn't even a misquote more of an assignment to authority. Much like how all inventions in ancient China are attributed to the Emperor, modern humans are just as guilty of over simplifying and assuming that there are singular geniuses creating all our output.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Moody
I think I'm going to re-read Guns, Germs and Steel. It reframed the singular genius idea and why certain groups have been successful... Spoiler alert it's having the longest east west axis, creating environments that food packages can be distributed on and predictable seasons.
Yeah but that is about pre-historic cultures... Aight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
Otherwise it would be rather shaming...
I mean, look at North Africa... Compare that to Scandinavia...
In one place we have orderly citizens building welfare states...
In one place we have absolute chaos.
Want to develop your theory of east-west axis for all of our benefit?
A) not my theoryQuote:
Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV
B) guns and steel aren't prehistoric inventions
C) Scandinavia is part of Europe. Europe is part of Eurasia. The longest East - West Axis on the planet (plus other beneficial factors). Civilization first grew around the Fertile Crescent (until it was no longer as fertile) and in China. Plants and animals can be transplanted in similar environments hence Wheat spreading from the Middle East to Europe. Etc etc
If you read the book it will reinforce some of your ideas and flip others into a new perspective.
You are aware that I was going with what the wikipedia article said? And that article had more sources than you do. Why would I believe you over that article?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV
IQ world-map is all you need, Kads is rightQuote:
Originally Posted by Husar
This thread was about the treatment of blacks in the US. Why am I not surprised that this simply devolved into another thread for kad to talk about how genetically inferior they are.
Pointless southern prejudice aside, your opening post failed to give us a topic of discussion that hasn't been done to death.
Perhaps we wouldn't have gone down the familiar paths of conversation if you had started with something a bit more nuanced that "grr southerners, screw em"
I'm getting tired of the constant chip on your shoulder dude. I opened a topic on the removal of the Confederate flag and the extent to which racist symbols and practices should be removed, particularly in the south. This clearly wasn't as tired as you claim since more respectable people in here like strike and Panzer responded in kind with opinions regarding the degree to which we blame southern culture when it comes to institutional practices and public backlash in the aftermath of tragedies. Others like PVC and monty also brought up points about the morality and efficacy of attempts to alter culture as an outsider.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
It is not my fault that you cant separate issues as broad as 'race' into multiple questions to tackle individually. Just like you can't seem to shut the **** up about gamergate every time video games are discussed in a serious manner. The only thread where people stay on topic (Ukraine) is by far the most active and largest thread. So yeah, excuse me for being a tad annoyed at seeing another thread once again end in 40 posts between kad and husar or you and husar.
No disrespect to Husar BTW, keep fighting the good fight.
Sisyphus much?Quote:
Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name
I would be more interested in an actual discussion...
Whenever I have time I'll come back with a more serious reply :)
Yeah... Quick question: Weren't whites chasing mammuts as the blacks more or less had bananas dropping on their heads, in comparison?Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
If you read, like, ANYTHING about genetics and stuff, heck Darwinism 101 would suffice.. You will come to accept that living beings under different conditions will evolve differently from each other.
Heck, we don't even have to get into genetics. We can even talk about cultures - completely separate from genetics (an arguable case with inbreeding and stuff, but let's move on).
TBH your west/east theory is, well, ****.
Why? Because there are absolutely no correspondence to that theory in the modern societies we have built. I mean, by your logic, Aborigines should have developed society more than, say, the people on Iceland...
Yet Aborigines are still NOT exactly known for building functional societies... Are they?
Define "functional society".Quote:
Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV
Or just explain what about their societies did not work prior to being forced into a capitalist system?
You don't have to think about reasons to be first acknowedging a fact. How and why can come later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
it isn't a fact though - prior to European interference they had thriving cultures and complex societies - don't fall into the assumption a lack of technology meant a lack of society.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
That is why you can disregard that as being just factors that lead to the outcome of the sum. No matter the variables the fact remains that east-asians do a lot better than whites, and whites do better than middle-easterns and africans. There can be so many reasons for that but why just dismiss it that things just are like that at the moment. Not acknowledging that is just off imhoQuote:
Originally Posted by Sir Moody
... can someone translate this please it makes no sense in regard to what I said ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
I think Fragony just defined "functional society" as "getting 2 points more on average in IQ tests" or something similar to that, depending on how he defines "do better".Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Moody
It's not just BS, it makes no sense whatsoever.
If it makes no sense just look at the results and try to make sense out of the results. Compare South-Korea or Japan to Somalia or Zimbabwe. Feel free to factor in anything, be my guest I am patiently waiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
Well, the Samurai kept killing eachother and were living in a perpetual warzone whereas the africans were living happy peaceful lives in the vast land where they hardly encountered other tribes and probably had some wars as well when they did. Both were fully functional societies however.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
I cannot compare zimbabwe or somalia to japan as I do not think the states of somalia or zimbabwe already existed before the europeans came and colonized africa.
Saying what, I know there are established civilizations there my appartment is filled with African art and ceremonial weapons, the Louvre would be jealous of a few. Doesn't mean that they aren't hopelesly lagging behind when it comes to just about everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar