Another terrible race motivated attack.

[Husar]

If it makes no sense just look at the results and try to make sense out of the results. Compare South-Korea or Japan to Somalia or Zimbabwe. Feel free to factor in anything, be my guest I am patiently waiting.

Well, the Samurai kept killing eachother and were living in a perpetual warzone whereas the africans were living happy peaceful lives in the vast land where they hardly encountered other tribes and probably had some wars as well when they did. Both were fully functional societies however.

I cannot compare zimbabwe or somalia to japan as I do not think the states of somalia or zimbabwe already existed before the europeans came and colonized africa.

[Fragony]

Well, the Samurai kept killing eachother and were living in a perpetual warzone whereas the africans were living happy peaceful lives in the vast land where they hardly encountered other tribes and probably had some wars as well when they did. Both were fully functional societies however.

I cannot compare zimbabwe or somalia to japan as I do not think the states of somalia or zimbabwe already existed before the europeans came and colonized africa.

Saying what, I know there are established civilizations there my appartment is filled with African art and ceremonial weapons, the Louvre would be jealous of a few. Doesn't mean that they aren't hopelesly lagging behind when it comes to just about everything.

[Husar]

it isn't a fact though - prior to European interference they had thriving cultures and complex societies - don't fall into the assumption a lack of technology meant a lack of society.

Saying what, I know there are established civilizations there my appartment is filled with African art and ceremonial weapons, the Louvre would be jealous of a few.

So what were you arguing about?

Doesn't mean that they aren't hopelesly lagging behind when it comes to just about everything.

And that Europeans destroyed their civilizations and social orders and forced a New World Order upon them that was basically fitted to the european way of life and designed to keep them down as second or even third class colonial citizenslaves could have nothing to do with their current problems? Because North Korea and Vietnam also turned into major players on the world stage after their respective wars. Japan is looking to a bright future and the Greeks were also always useless and never invented anything.

[Fragony]

And that Europeans destroyed their civilizations and social orders and forced a New World Order upon them that was basically fitted to the european way of life and designed to keep them down as second or even third class colonial citizenslaves could have nothing to do with their current problems? Because North Korea and Vietnam also turned into major players on the world stage after their respective wars. Japan is looking to a bright future and the Greeks were also always useless and never invented anything.

that is why the outcome comes first, you aren't denying anything if you do, everything is possible and plausable.

[Husar]

that is why the outcome comes first, you aren't denying anything if you do, everything is possible and plausable.

Why don't we close down our schools and wait for all the wonderful outcomes that are surely still possible and plausible?

[Fragony]

Why don't we close down our schools and wait for all the wonderful outcomes that are surely still possible and plausible?

Why would we do such a thing

[Husar]

Why would we do such a thing

Weren't you claiming that we cannot blame a different history for the problems that exist today?

[Gilrandir]

I mean, look at North Africa... Compare that to Scandinavia...

In one place we have orderly citizens building welfare states...

In one place we have absolute chaos.

There were times (say, of the zenith of Khaliphate) when one could say it was the other way around.

my appartment is filled with African art and ceremonial weapons, the Louvre would be jealous of a few.

Now I know who of the forumers practises voodoo. Let all his opponenets beware!