See you can even recognise race from religion ~:)Quote:
Well the original Iranian speakers were "white". But not Christians, no.
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See you can even recognise race from religion ~:)Quote:
Well the original Iranian speakers were "white". But not Christians, no.
If we're talking about Western culture being preserved, I agree and I'm on board.
But I'm also on Tribesman's side... what does it mean to be 'white'? It's a convention that got adopted in the United States that nowadays we think means European, but because I'm not sure everyone understands, that according to the folks that came up with the 'white race', the following peoples are NOT white:
-Italians
-Spaniards (from Spain, not just Latinos)
-Greeks
-Slavs
-Irish (weren't even considered full human beings for a large part of America's history)
-French
Basically, the following racial groups comprise 'the white meta-race': AngloSaxons, Scots, Germanic folk (Dutch included), Nordic people.
Groups I'm unsure of:
Basques, Finns & Hungarians as they're none of the above.
And before you freak out and say 'that's not what I meant, of course French & Irish are white', no, they are not. White was developed by the USA, and religion (being protestant) factored into it as much as skin color or facial features. The Klan hated Catholics as bad as Jews or blacks, trust me. My grandfather got shot in the chest by the Klan, just because he was Irish. And that was in the 30's.
Another issue I have with 'the White race', is the idea of multiple bloodlines. What if my father was German, back to the days of Atilla, but my mother was Nigerian? Would I be white? Of course not, because we have that silly Louisiana law that's a 'one drop of impurity means you're not white' foolishness.
Thats my main concern .Actually Id love to see the day when there was so many mixed marriages that we indeed would only be one race what ever color that winds up or at least that we didnt pay any attention to it other than we do with say a horse of a differnt color. But isnt diversity also a good thing?Quote:
If we're talking about Western culture being preserved, I agree and I'm on board.
Well then I'm not white. I am very pale, and have blond hair, and blue eyes, and look very Germanic, but I'm half Polish. Thus, because I have Slavic blood, I wouldn't be considered white.
And does anyone know what Turkish blood would be considered, just out of curosity?
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Well then their not white christains. See even you can tell the difference. ~D
Yup, I'm very talented that way. ~;)Quote:
See you can even recognise race from religion ~:)
My grandparents were Irish & Italian immigants, so I'm not white either, Steppe. ~:cheers: This is why I get so furious with Irish, Italian & French people joining the Klan and going on & on about the 'white race'. Yeah dude, you might be able to be their servants, but you ain't white!
The Turks are their own language group called Altai Ugrig. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Steppe Merc
Id like to know how being catholic removes you from the white race?Quote:
people joining the Klan and going on & on about the 'white race'. Yeah dude, you might be able to be their servants, but you ain't white!
I have pale skin and blue eyes. ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Steppe Merc
Of course you doas your part of the master race.Quote:
I have pale skin and blue eyes.
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Ary·an adj.
Word History: It is one of the ironies of history that Aryan, a word nowadays referring to the blond-haired, blue-eyed physical ideal of Nazi Germany, originally referred to a people who looked vastly different. Its history starts with the ancient Indo-Iranians, Indo-European peoples who inhabited parts of what are now Iran, Afghanistan, and India. Their tribal self-designation was a word reconstructed as *arya- or *rya-. The first of these is the form found in Iranian, as ultimately in the name of Iran itself (from Middle Persian rn (ahr), “(Land) of the Iranians,” from the genitive plural of r, “Iranian”). The variant *rya- is found unchanged in Sanskrit, where it referred to the upper crust of ancient Indian society. These words became known to European scholars in the 18th century. The shifting of meaning that eventually led to the present-day sense started in the 1830s, when Friedrich Schlegel, a German scholar who was an important early Indo-Europeanist, came up with a theory that linked the Indo-Iranian words with the German word Ehre, “honor,” and older Germanic names containing the element ario-, such as the Swiss warrior Ariovistus who was written about by Julius Caesar. Schlegel theorized that far from being just a designation of the Indo-Iranians, the word *arya- had in fact been what the Indo-Europeans called themselves, meaning something like “the honorable people.” (This theory has since been called into question.) Thus “Aryan” came to be synonymous with “Indo-European,” and in this sense entered the general scholarly consciousness of the day. Not much later, it was proposed that the original homeland of the Indo-Europeans had been in northern Europe. From this theory, it was but a small leap to think of the Aryans as having had a northern European physiotype. While these theories were playing themselves out, certain anti-Semitic scholars in Germany took to viewing the Jews in Germany as the main non-Aryan people because of their Semitic roots; a distinction thus arose in their minds between Jews and the “true Aryan” Germans, a distinction that later furnished unfortunate fodder for the racial theories of the Nazis.
If there are no such thing as races, why do black people get extra points on college admissions?
Don, you are thinking of the white race in terms of how racists have defined it. However, your own government and countless other reputable institutions recognize race as a distinctive feature of a person.
No they didn't. They were likely Celtic looking. Most were probably light brown hair, some had red hair, some had blond, some had black. Different tribes looked different. For example, Scythians were lighter than Persians.Quote:
referred to a people who looked vastly different.
But they were "white".
Am i white?I have green eyes and blond hair but we Finns arent Indo-Europeans,Nor Mongols.We are Finno-Ugrig.
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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Don't ask me, ask the geniuses that invented the 'white race' to begin with. Oh wait, you can't. They're all dead. I never said it made sense. In fact, my point is that the 'white race' makes no sense. And neither does the black race, PJ. I don't believe in race, and I refuse to check any box (or I put down that I'm Inuit).Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Why not believe in race? It's a social thing like 'male'. Doesn't mean anything other then it's something you look like. If we were to be that concerned with profiling then why allow sex to be invloved at all. We are all persons aren't we? ~:)
I want to know since when are ignorant klansmen in the US experts on race, going out and preaching that Greeks aren't white? If anything we are superior to any other race because of the things we have acomplished, if we were to be that arrogant. Not that I'm saying that of course. ~D
About Iranians, they are not really white. I don't know exactly how to describe their colour but they darker not in a brown way but a black(real black) shading, typically of course, there's always the odd one or two people. To say otherwise is as intelligent as the nazi's clueless propaganda.
About Turks, I'm not sure if they are white or not, because they are so mixed that they have practically become one of the people's of Asia minor, I'm not sure if they can be classified as European, since the greeks always considered what is today Turkey(most of it) to be Asian domain.
And no having blue eyes and blond does not mean you are somehow more pure in being white. Swedish have black hair, brown eyes a little less then Greeks let's say, but the swedes live closer to the poll where that trait would gain more dominance. It's just a genetical trait. It's actually very similar to the trait of the Kodiak bear. It's usually black but every once in a while it comes out completely white. This is not because it mixed with other types of bears, but because it's predesposed by nature to change color randomly in generations.
I'm talking not about today's Iranians, but people like the Persians, Parthians, Scythians, Sakae, Dahae, Sarmatians etc.Quote:
About Iranians, they are not really white. I don't know exactly how to describe their colour but they darker not in a brown way but a black(real black) shading, typically of course, there's always the odd one or two people. To say otherwise is as intelligent as the nazi's clueless propaganda.
They wouldn't be European. But not European does not equal not white. As I said, Iranians were white (Persians, etc.) They were not European however.Quote:
About Turks, I'm not sure if they are white or not, because they are so mixed that they have practically become one of the people's of Asia minor, I'm not sure if they can be classified as European, since the greeks always considered what is today Turkey(most of it) to be Asian domain.
No Tribesman, North Africans and Middle Eastern people are usually arab, not white. You really dont understand race do you? Im sure I can find a website that delineates the races, would that help you?
Yes you really could find a web site that delinates the races,but you could also find a web-site that shows that humans are really from the planet Theta.
Besides which you said "Caucasian" describe that word ......Look in a dictionary . :book:
So since I assume that you cannot make any claim apart from pigmentation of the skin , then you must judge people by the colour of their skin , if you judge people by the colour of their skin then what is the word to describe that ?
You really are clever with words and missleading people. Youve made it an art. The only thing we judge people by the color of their skin for is the color of their skin. Its come to the point where if someone asks you to describe that man over there and you say well hes black for starts your a racist.Its come to wear soon the police wont be able to ask you what color the perpetrator of a crime was because you will call him a racist.Quote:
So since I assume that you cannot make any claim apart from pigmentation of the skin , then you must judge people by the colour of their skin , if you judge people by the colour of their skin then what is the word to describe that ?
Dogs are all one species but there are many breeds. Humans are no different.
Tribesman,
Youre being a bit thickheaded on this one.. thats ok, ill be patient.
You used a very interesting word in your last post:
You'll have to show me where I said I judge anybody by the color of their skin.Quote:
So since I assume that you cannot make any claim apart from pigmentation of the skin , then you must judge people by the colour of their skin , if you judge people by the colour of their skin then what is the word to describe that ?
I am simply trying to point out to you that race is a perfectly viable distinguishing characteristic.
Race is information that governments, demographers, and a number of other groups use to characterize populations.
Are you saying that world governments are inherently racist for recognizing that there are different races of people?
(Personally I think your on a ultra politically correct bender, but thats just me. ~;) )
I am simply trying to point out to you that race is a perfectly viable distinguishing characteristic.
Fine , then show me the disytinguishing Charachtereistic that defines a White Christian .
North Africans and Middle Eastern people are usually arab, not white.
You defined white as caucasian ~:confused:
White and christian are too differnt means of classification.Quote:
Fine , then show me the disytinguishing Charachtereistic that defines a White Christian.
Sure caucasian isnt really the name for the white "breed", but it is used as such by general society.Quote:
You defined white as caucasian
White people are genrally considered anybody of european descent. The execption for this would be hispanics as the also have a lot of indian/black blood mixed around, thus they aren't really white, though people from spain are.
There is no other term for white people other than white, though it means much more than there skin color.
Wow, from a problem with Berlin birth rates to how to define people, and the description of their color and race. Wow, can someone show the progressive timeline for this?
Guys, repeat after me. There is no such thing as the 'white race'. It was invented by a bunch of guys who considered 'white to mean WASP (white anglo-saxon protestant).
Just because our government is racist and categorizes people according to the color of our skin doesn't make it right or mean we should. This is the way to end affirmative action...quit this stupid artificial distinction.
'He's the all american bullet headed saxon mother's son'
(from: The Continuing Story of Bungalow Bill, White Album, 1968)
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Trust in Don. Categorizing people is stupid!
:egypt: :indian_brave: :cowboy: :karate: :mickey: :afro: :klingon: :sultan: :sombrero: :santa2: :vulcan:
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etter tell that to all governments and news agencies . But this really would be a good idea as thats the only way Democrats get any votes is by pointing out minorities and panderig to them. Oh thats right there is no suchthing as minorites and at least we can throw out all that stupid hate crime legislation.Quote:
Trust in Don. Categorizing people is stupid!
Give the man a prize, he finally gets it!!! Race always leads to racism. The way to end racism is to end race distinction (as, when you come down to it, we're all in the human race, no?) Ending race means ending racial quotas, it means ending race based initiatives, it means ending the politics of division, it also means the end of the klan, the end of preferential mortgage lending and I think, it leads to a healing process we desparately need. Rather than talking about African-American or white America, we should be talking about, surprise "AMERICA". (Insert country of choice for America as seen fit).
Being white, and being Christian.Quote:
Fine , then show me the disytinguishing Charachtereistic that defines a White Christian .
If you dont understand what being white is - talk to a demographer.
If you dont understand what being Christian is - talk to a priest.
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Just because our government is racist and categorizes people according to the color of our skin doesn't make it right or mean we should.
Don't roll your eyes at me! ~D
Seriously, do you agree with the University of Michigan Law School admissions policy? Do you agree with quotas? Do you agree with affirmative action? Aren't all of these forms of racism?
I agree totally with you Don on this one.Culture is something worth preserving.Race is just an way for putting people in too little boxes.As i mentioned before.I could say that Indoeuropean people ar not white because their language witch is originally from India is originally asian.Only original European people that still exists are Basks and Finno-Ugrig peoples.And i woud never make that kind of statement because to me its just plain stupid. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
I think we all pretty much agree on this. I doubt many here are racists. But its human nature to put people and things into little boxes and categorize them. Its a noble thought but is it realistic? We can only hope. In a perfect world it would certainly be so.Quote:
I agree totally with you Don on this one.Culture is something worth preserving.Race is just an way for putting people in too little boxes