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Because it will never be fully supported, some people who'll have to live with les wouldn't want to, some people would get some benefits since very system has it's holes. Then envy people get mad because of it,
then peoplewho do harder jobs will have to earn as much as people who have an easy job. What about people who don't hvae a job at al will they recieve money? will they get as much money as the working ones? if they get less it won't be real communism because it isn't their fault they don't have jobs? If they recieve as much money, working people would be envious(spelling?) and mad,...

it's not the idea that's bad but humans aren't always that fair and good you know.(now, don't go calling me Machiavelli!! ~;))

and many more reasons I'd wish I could explain but my lack of English doesn't let me.

Edit:spelling,

I said I'd be glad if you prove me wrong so why do you think communism wil work and what would you do with these motivation problem.

1. As for the full support: either you can't say that other regims have FULL support of the population;
2. IMHO in communism each will do the the job he is suited to ...
3. Are you speaking of the utopical communism? If so - then it won't be reacheable just because it is an IDEAL ( can you name the IDEAL democracy? );
4. IMHO socialism is worthy enough to struggle for - what would you say?

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Originally Posted by IliaDN

1. As for the full support: either you can't say that other regims have FULL support of the population;
2. IMHO in communism each will do the the job he is suited to ...
3. Are you speaking of the utopical communism? If so - then it won't be reacheable just because it is an IDEAL ( can you name the IDEAL democracy? );
4. IMHO socialism is worthy enough to struggle for - what would you say?

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1:indeed but the difference is communism will have to have about 99% of the population to have the support otherwise it wouldn't work.
2:to bad there aren't enough jobs hum...
3:well that's my point, you could have a semie-communistic community but not a real one. We aren't living in a democratic state anyway.
4: that's what I'm thinking about a socialism but not the cuban way ofcourse ~;)

#2 that's whats wrong. some people wont do things untill he gets ordered to.

farmers put their tomatoes in boxes, put them next to the road to wait for the truckers to come and pick m up. the truckers wont come. in capitalism the farmers will take their tomatoes away from the road and store them somewhere safe. in communism they'll leave it there, cuz he it isnt my job.

So ... communism is an utopia - so you will need ideal peaople to create such a republic ...
But socialism ( which is a step on the ledder to ideal communism ) is real enough and is worth to sttrugle for ...
So ... you can bring socialism in your country just taking it as unideal communiim.
Resuming: you can't reach utopical communism, at least for now, but you can follow the ideas of socialism, which is few stepes from the real communism.

yes you can indeed.

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Originally Posted by Emperor Umeu 1

yes you can indeed.

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Why don't you make sarcasm club in the Frontroom?

i dont know, i'm going to get warned and i cant have that. btw i've officially stopped spamming.

officially ... but (I don't have to finish this sentence now, do I.)
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or was your post sarcastic?
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I'm confused...

btw: no, do we agree that socialism would be the best? or what?

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Originally Posted by Gertgregoor

officially ... but (I don't have to finish this sentence now, do I.)
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or was your post sarcastic?
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I'm confused...

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Just tell what you wanted. :bow:

One thing that i cant understand with Socialism is:How do you keep balance?Lets say today we split all the money equally between each other,tomorrow someone has more then somebody other. :bow:

that isnt socialism is it??? now i'm confused.

and YES I DONT SPAM ANYMORE ACCEPT IN TYOLT, OWS AND IN WAG

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Originally Posted by kagemusha

One thing that i cant understand with Socialism is:How do you keep balance?Lets say today we split all the money equally between each other,tomorrow someone has more then somebody other. :bow:

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Do not mix socialism with communism.

Redistribution of wealth in a socialist system does not necessarily have to come about by physically taking money, property and goods off those with the most and giving it to those with out. It can be done via gradual steps which in themselves bring about a fairer, more equal society.

An example of this is a minimum wage.

Maybe i just dont understand the concept enough,give me a example of socialism in use.Socialdemocracy is a familiar concept to me,because my country has been build on those principals.But i have always associated Socialism and Communism as one. :bow:

China?

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Originally Posted by JAG

Redistribution of wealth in a socialist system does not necessarily have to come about by physically taking money, property and goods off those with the most and giving it to those with out. It can be done via gradual steps which in themselves bring about a fairer, more equal society.

An example of this is a minimum wage.

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There you go Kage.

To Iliadn:I dont understand.I live in Finland.Ever heard of Nordic wellfare state.Or do you use China as an example of working Socialism?To JAG.I support minimum wages.But isnt it pretty far from ideal of Socialism?

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Originally Posted by kagemusha

Or do you use China as an example of working

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Correct.

It isn't far from socialist at all, it is a democratic socialist ideal. If you cannot overthrow the system, you use the existing system to grdually change the system. The minimum wage is one of the biggest policies to this effect.

And China is not a socialist state, unless someone wants to show me how it is, apart from stating that it is 'socialist', what things does it do to actually be seen as a socialist state.

To Iliadn:That case im even more confused.Chinas foreign trade resembles pretty much of free trade.The reason that China is intresting to foreign industry is that the wages are so low that the Western countries cant compete.And poverty is real issue in China.Their wellfare system is fare from ideal.If we are talking this kind of government model.I like to stay away from it as possible. :bow:

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To Iliadn:That case im even more confused.Chinas foreign trade resembles pretty much of free trade.The reason that China is intresting to foreign industry is that the wages are so low that the Western countries cant compete.And poverty is real issue in China.Their wellfare system is fare from ideal.If we are talking this kind of government model.I like to stay away from it as possible. :bow:

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Exactly. They are a state based, capitalist regime. Heavy interference by central govt on their business' and economy but none the less, still a capitalist economy. They have no regard for their subjects and as far as I am aware there isn't a welfare state to speak of.

China? omg noooo!
if China's a working socialist country Hitler was a kangoroo who could fly.
It's not even socialist.
If you're defenition of socialism is selling evrything for almost nothing to compete, giving most people unhealthy jobs without giving them a good paycheck,...
that's sound more like the average capitalistic European country in the 1900 hundreds.
but then with hi-tech stuff and ofcourse not evry chinese has such a crappy destiny. but it's just an example, a bad example but an example ~:)

damn I'm bad in debating in English.

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Originally Posted by JAG

Exactly. They are a state based, capitalist regime. Heavy interference by central govt on their business' and economy but none the less, still a capitalist economy. They have no regard for their subjects and as far as I am aware there isn't a welfare state to speak of.

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I personally believe that our Nordic model which is pretty similar to the German model,is good.Not perfect but good.I think that in order to support our citizens we need to have a strong exporting industry,to support our economy.This industry should rely on high quality of products rather then cheap production costs.If international markets were protected everywhere our Northern Nations would be really poor,because all our capacity would be spent to food production because the weather conditions here.
Im also pretty confuced how US justifyes its laws to shield their markets from Cheaper products exported from other countries.Isnt that against capitalism?

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Originally Posted by Gertgregoor

China? omg noooo!
if China's a working socialist country Hitler was a kangoroo who could fly.
It's not even socialist.
If you're defenition of socialism is selling evrything for almost nothing to compete, giving most people unhealthy jobs without giving them a good paycheck,...
that's sound more like the average capitalistic European country in the 1900 hundreds.
but then with hi-tech stuff and ofcourse not evry chinese has such a crappy destiny. but it's just an example, a bad example but an example ~:)

damn I'm bad in debating in English.

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China is officialy social.
What about Taiwan?

then those Chinse leaders have real strange defenition of socialism if you ask me.

Taiwan: I wouldn't know, I don't know that much about it.
but almighty JAG will.~;)

China was the official socialist-ally of the USSR.

Cuba was you're ally to was it? And yeah, they were a real socialist country.

china was too

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Originally Posted by Gertgregoor

Cuba was you're ally to was it? And yeah, they were a real socialist country.

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1. Use spell check;
2. Turn off your sarcasm.
Those countries were officilly socialistic, as well as some African states, but it doesn't mean there was REAL socialism there.