Bootsiuv and Kukulza,never forget that you are reserchers for us,and you may use these sigs with member as much as you like.All sigs from now on will stay in the first post.
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Bootsiuv and Kukulza,never forget that you are reserchers for us,and you may use these sigs with member as much as you like.All sigs from now on will stay in the first post.
Cmon people,we need your suggestions about Indo-Greeks!They NEED to be playable!
My suggestion is that I hope they aren't knocking out the possibility of Tamils, Galatians, and WusunQuote:
Originally Posted by Malik of Sindh
and I frown on the official exclusion of Galatians as a playable faction. They were a small, tenacious force to be reckoned with in Asia Minor, and had their momentum not been broken by Antiochus they might have become greater. If the Attalids have enough merit to be a playable faction then so do Galatians.
as for Tamils, that's no doubt a faction that better be in... see how they resisted Mauryan expansion? And Wusun, Malik I believe I've discussed it briefly with you, but they ARE on the map and were very powerful... and don't have the same settling-perks the Pahlava and the Saka Rauka do, therefore representative of a Central Asian steppe "powerhouse".
If we're not compromising the already present and powerful factions, I have no problems with Indo Greeks... and the Seleukeia-Baktria-Indo-greek idea is pretty cool
Err Kukulza,Wusun are already on the list. Tamilakans are too.Check the first post.Indo-Greeks were here from the start,we just want to make them playable since they are one of the most favorite faction in the EB community,its also one of mine favorite factions.The free faction slot remains,It will be used for balancing.Like I said,no galatians.Pharnakes and I are already bored of saying this over and over again.Its painfull for Admetos to see them scraped and scraped over and over again.
BTW The Asia Ton Barbaron link in your sig just takes me to Maurya signature,not the thread.
This is the last post about galatians.Other posts which ask Galatians to be included will be ignored.And yes Im like this when I don't sleep enough.Fear me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pharnakes
And Everyone keep checking the first post,the most important info is there.Ill ask Admetos(His job is 2d art)To make a map showing all faction positions.Ill also ask him to make more sigs with different factions,IIRC next he will make will be Bosphorus.
Im so proud of this post.:2thumbsup:
Please,can a moderator rename this thread to Asia ton Barbaron?
People I beg you,post how you want the Indo-Greeks represented
You could make a provinvial campaign for them, starting at their break-away, but then again you'd have to change the starting positions for nearly all factions, get new accurate family members, etc, so that's not the best option. You could do it like EB does and just give baktria indo-greek units, but as this mod concentrates on this region, whereas EB has this as the rather unimportant frineg of the map, that's not the best option either. An emerging faction would scare away all the fanboys, and putting them in at the start of the game would be greatly ahistorical. After thinking of all this, I personally deem the provincial campaign option the best, although it is not perfect. And I wish you all good luck for this mod, you have my full moral support:2thumbsup:
my apologies, I'll keep myself updated, and yes, I accidentally had my sig show the wrong link, I'll fix it...
I'm sure the Galatians were a more feared and powerful force than Kyrene but I guess I can do no more to sway you all. Kyrene is just another Greek-colony-type faction... Galatians are unique... and more than just me feels it has merit to be in this mod.
I'm not saying Kyrene shouldn't be in, I am saying Galatians should be. Ideally we'd have them all in... neither would take too much work compared to say Indo-greeks or Mauryans... why Kyrene over Galatia and not the other way around?
I hope I can appeal to ya'll sense of reason
1. Macedon - Hellenistic
2. Pontus - Eastern
3. Seleucid Empire - Hellenistic/Eastern
4. Ptolemy Empire - Hellenistic
5. Bactria - Hellenistic/Eastern
6. Atropatene - Eastern
7. Hai - Eastern
8. Parthia - Steppe/Eastern
9. Saba - Arabian
10. Mauryan Empire - Indian
11. Tamilakans - Indian
12. Wusun Empire - Steppe
13. Attalid Kingdom of Pergamon - Hellenistic/Eastern
14. KoC Bosphorus - Hellenistic/Steppe
15. Indo Greeks - Hellenistic/Indian
16. Saka - Steppe
17. Romans(unplayable)
18. Yuehzi(unplayable)
19. Cyrene - Hellenistic
out of the 17 playable...
8 are Hellenistic (with some overlapping)
3 are Eastern (as in culturally and politically)
3 are Steppe (includes Pahlava)
2 are Indian
1 is Arabian
Kyrene is just another Hellenistic colony... but Galatia is a Celtic, unique, and quite powerful in its locality... to me Kyrene over Galatia is a big bias, so i hope if you are too set and deaf to listen, then hopefully the unofficial Galatia add-on will be awesome
and for Indo-Greeks, they would start out loyal to the Mauryans I think... as the NW of Asoka's empire had both Greek and Prakrit as official languages... so I think Indo-Greeks should start out allied to Seleucids, Baktria, and Maurya, but as the game progresses be constantly caught between the larger powers while trying to carve out a empire of their own...
I share your thoughts about the Galatians KuKulzA, but it seems the others will not be swayed. Also, looking at your list there, perhaps there is too many Hellenistic factions for an Eastern mod.
Does no-one think anyhing of my idea for the Baktrians then, having them re-form into Indo-Greeks like Hayasdan do at the moment?
That idea sounds really good Admetos, it would also add a new element: Do you want to stay the Graeco-Baktrian empire or turn into the indo-greeks?
A fine idea, assuming you guys have a scripter....I assume the script may be done away with as is, and just bits and pieces taken out. So someone is basically going to have to write a lot of new script for this mod, correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by Admetos
I think we all know this mod's going to be a major task, so I guess we were expecting alot of scripting.
A new sig guys, Bosporas:
http://img35.picoodle.com/img/img35/...2m_fa3cc75.jpg
Sorry Admetos, but I'm afraid your idea won't work, the reason for this is that if we do this, Indo-Helenics will no longer have their own culture slot, something that I at least am eager to see. Also, that way there will be no way to represent the Baktrians after you become Indo-Hellenic, plus the chances of the AI getting it will always be rather slim, unless we make it so easy that it would be a walkover for a human player. (eg. if we made the IG reforms occur when Baktria takes 5 Indian provs, I can guarante the Ai Baktria will go on a conquering spree into the Seleukids, and never even take Kophen :wall: )
Bosporas sig updated - small typo fixed.
As for the AI, how does AI Hayasdan get on at the moment with thier reforms? As for culture, I guess we'll have to discuss that with Mailk as a team when he's online.
I think Hayasdan is going to be a problem,since they will start independant,just like Parthia.And they have a border with seleucids too.And Im online now.
For people who don't know who will do the scripting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Admetos
I still want playable Indo-Greeks
And by the way people, we are recruiting, we need modelers and skinners especialy, just like every other mod out there.:wall:
Another new sig, this time Atropatene:
http://img40.picoodle.com/img/img40/...em_dda94b3.jpg
This is what we will use for Indo-Greeks,if you fans don't vote it down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pharnakes
In which case we'll use it anyway:whip:
Really impressive guys
Good luck with it
Thanks,we will do our best :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sassem
will it be ok to have EB1.0 and this mod? :D
No,gotta make backups.
Well, my readings so far have turned up little of value...most of the books I found were rather broad histories on the east. Unfortunately, I found my initial fears realized when there was only a passing mention of any of the civilizations I was searching for. It would appear they were either not important enough, short-lived, or both. It would seem all three merit only a paragraph's worth in the overall history of the East (at least according to the authors I've read). So, there is little mention of them.
Naturally, I've found mountains of information on India and China, a good deal on Japan, and only a passing mention of areas outside these regions. It would seem that I must seek more specialized reference material.
I shall persist however. :bow:
Bootsiuv
Please do.We really need info on Bosphorans.Wusun research isn't as important as Bosphorans,since they were pretty much a clone of the sakans.BTW Pharnakes says we will soon have our own forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bootsiuv
I think there ARE too many Hellenistics... taking out an 'unnecessary' one for one that represents more unique elements would be nice... but like you said, they won't be swayed... shamefulQuote:
Originally Posted by Admetos
sounds good :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bootsiuv
Sorry about this but it is "Bosproros", not "Bosporas".Quote:
Originally Posted by Admetos
Bosporus is the latin version of the greek "Bosporos". As it was a GrecoSkythian kingdom the best name for it would be "Bosporos".
or even better, "Basileion Bosporou" or Kingdom of Bosporos
Nothing to apologies for Keravnos, thanks very much:2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by keravnos
I'm sure Ademetos will change it once he comes online.
I really think Admetos should stick with Kingdom of....Since faction names alone seem to not sound so good.Thank goodness My sig includes Basileio tes.
Hello boys. Time hasn't been that kind to me, but here are the promised referential plates for the Achaemenid style chariotry:
http://rapidshare.com/files/65759099/chariots.rar.html
Again, I'm not against chariots but would like to see their use as diminished as possible; In other words, their inclusion may even be considered conjectural. Limited in numbers, very expensive, and attired in a rather archaic manner. The only truly valid reason for including them is because the heavy chariots were often pulled by strong horses, presumably bred in Medea, in which Atropatene has a partial jurisdiction in. Ideally, we'd want the scythed chariots to be drawn by cataphracted horses; Not quite like Seleucid or Pontic chariots with their special hellenistic-style chamfrôn, but rather with armoured blankets/flanchards and a completely covering chamfrôn. The charioteer himself should be armed and attired accordingly to the driver in the "gaugamela.jpg"; With cheires on both arms, plumed assyrian helmet, scale corselet and a defensive collar/gorget.
The chariots are extremely heavy, and the wheels ought to be 12-spoked, giving it a tremendous stability for being such a crappy vehicle made of firewood (~:joker:). Additionally, the chariot itself is rectangular and not particularly aero-dynamic; Besides the scythes on the end of each axle, the chariot itself provides something of a battering ram or a blunt object which is supported by the yoke. Additionally the chariot itself was constructed to be a dangerous weapon; Spikes and sharp rivets are ornamented, but if you feel the need to add some regalia or a heraldic motif instead, you are free to do so. Traditionally these chariots were of the old school type and would feature a crew of at least two individuals; A driver and a support member who would chuck javelins or fire arrows.
Wow Excellent stuffs TPC :2thumbsup: Thank you so much :smiley:
Great,thanks for great info TPC,to bad I can't download from rapidshare,Pharnakes says he will download them.