[Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by Romanic

"romanic supported me".

Now that's a good one! I pointed out that your idea, of voting for people who wanted a tie, wasn't a good suggestion and Glenn pointed out a possible link between us.

Sorry to bust your bubble, but I ain't supporting you in any way.

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wow, I really must be tired...this page has been unkind

Hopefully tomorrow later today I make more sense. In hindsight, I recall you trashing it.

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Originally Posted by Thefluffyone93

Unless someone wants to sum up this entire argument in a few sentences?

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Note: No one is confirmed anything besides the dead at this point

Beskar claims an unknown investigator got a result on TinCow that we should lynch him for. Beskar then got a second note from the investigator with more info, saying TC was definately mafia. Beskar did wiki research. TC is on his phone, not at home (New years, who isnt) but says he is an investigator, gave the name of Sasaki, Sasaki confirmed that he is correct.

That sums it up, I think?

That sums it up - but remember that Sasaki's confirmation doesn't acquit TC completely, and we are all still waiting to hear from the big bovine himself.

Get on out here!

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Romanic, I've fairly lost interest in you now - so I'll give my reasons; Motep made a suggestion which I didn't agree with, that being to suspect and look at lynching those who favoured a tie yesterday (I know one such was myself), but I ignored this until you came along.

It must be just your posting style, but what it looked like to me initially was a couple of scum buddies who were playing for want of a better term, "Good cop, Bad cop" in order to push votes towards those who were wanting a tie yesterday, which amounts to a few players other than myself - and these I all consider to be innocent.

So I started making waves in order to see if one of you would slip up.

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My vote remains on Rebel Jeb because he is displaying the behaviour of lurking scum - look at his posts. Bandwagoning votes, no input, no reasons, no dicussion.

I'm also disliking Sasaki's recent move and I'd like him to explain it.

Do we have anything besides the "case" on Tincow to work with? I am not enthusiastic about the Tincow lynch, and the reasons are because I neither believe the investigation results are that useful until we know more about them (like my Star Wars game) nor do I appreciate the way the reliance on investigators retards the discussion.

If my instincts about this game are correct, there will be multiple power roles to counterbalance the multiple murdering factions, and the roleblocker is a role which is basically in every game where there's a bunch of power roles.

Tincow can be blocked until we know more, and investigated by several scanners, so we can compare the results. Or we can lynch him with our itchy trigger finger, and we will be right back where we started, possibly minus one mafioso, possibly not. But he's claiming to be an investigator. I think there are ways to confirm that.

Wagon on Tincow is large enough. I want a different option, and until then, I vote: abstain.

I would make such a case myself but not tonight. I am being not lazy but utterly exhausted from work. Sorry, RL comes first.

after reading whole thread, vote: Glenn

I find myself unable to sleep after being woken up by some idiot who can't tell time. New years was two and 3/4 hours ago, and he just set off some fireworks. So I have finished reading the thread. One thing before I got:

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Originally Posted by Glenn

My vote remains on Rebel Jeb because he is displaying the behaviour of lurking scum - look at his posts. Bandwagoning votes, no input, no reasons, no dicussion.

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Glenn, I don't think you have played a game with RJ before, but that's pretty much what he does unless he has a power role of some kind. What's more, I have to remind him every day phase to check the friggin' org. You're looking for shadows where there are none.

But this brings up something: why does he even bother to sign up if he's not willing to play? I'm on to you, Jeb :inquisitive:

vote: Glenn. You have been trying to split the town's focus. Your posts, at first glance, seem informative, but upon further reading, they seem to me like a narration or recap of the game. I wouldn't be so suspicious of this if ATPG hadn't done somewhat the exact same behavior in my very first mafia game. When he was mafia.

I agree, Glenn is trying too hard to appear as a townie. Classic stuff that hasn't really been used for a while, since current players have managed to go past it...but Glenn is back from a decently long break, perhaps the behaviour is still there?

Thank you pevergreen for not only speaking negatively.

I have applied for play in apparently 11 mafia games, but I would only really class this as my fourth after Capo II, Treehouse of Horror and the first CoV.

In Capo II I was a strong pro-town role, but didn't know how to keep my mouth shut, in CoV I was a basic townie.

In Treehouse of Horror I was the godfather.

I would like to be able to say, look at those three games, see how I behaved as a townie and as mafia, but since I already am quite aware of my behaviour, that would only lead to "WIFOM".

The best evidence against me so far seems to be that I am trying too hard to help the town, which is really what I expect to be killed rather than lynched for, and secondly that I am trying to distract the town.

Yes! I am trying to distract the town! I'm trying to distract you from lynching a possible detective solely upon Beskar's word and I'm trying to get people talking - which I have achieved.

Vote:Beefy

This is part of my ultimate plan to serve the town.

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Originally Posted by Glenn

Thank you pevergreen for not only speaking negatively.

I have applied for play in apparently 11 mafia games, but I would only really class this as my fourth after Capo II, Treehouse of Horror and the first CoV.

In Capo II I was a strong pro-town role, but didn't know how to keep my mouth shut, in CoV I was a basic townie.

In Treehouse of Horror I was the godfather.

I would like to be able to say, look at those three games, see how I behaved as a townie and as mafia, but since I already am quite aware of my behaviour, that would only lead to "WIFOM".

The best evidence against me so far seems to be that I am trying too hard to help the town, which is really what I expect to be killed rather than lynched for, and secondly that I am trying to distract the town.

Yes! I am trying to distract the town! I'm trying to distract you from lynching a possible detective solely upon Beskar's word and I'm trying to get people talking - which I have achieved.

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That's your problem. Don't distract the town from lynching someone. Tell them not to. In big letters.

Always works.

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Originally Posted by Double A

That's your problem. Don't distract the town from lynching someone. Tell them not to. In big letters.

Always works.

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LYNCH DOUBLE A

And now we play the waiting game.

The -OUBLE in my name isn't capitalized, Hypocrite McMeaniepants.

So many posts so many accusations. For now I'll just say Happy New Year!

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Originally Posted by Insanious

So this was pretty much the most useless first day of a mafia game ever... no one talked about anything, and now day 2 is just like day 1 but we are down 6 people now... we going to start the almost obligatory "talk about lynching inactives, which then gives people something to analyze to actually start the thread off?" Or are we just going to continue to use random.org to find which targets we should lynch? Just wondering.

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This was a bog-standard day one. If anything (barring two townies being dead instead of the more typical one), it was better than usual. There's a heck of a vote trail in the case that classical hero, ATPG, or anyone else ever in danger turns up mafia.

Where have you played mafia before?

Vote: Motep , you are a bit too active with none-contributing posts

Personally I think this lynch on Tincow has a bit too many flaws.. or perhaps I just cannot see the big picture? At any rate we have some Informants that Beskar is ready to give away if Tincow is not scum(?). . So far there has been a single night phase, and that is not a lot time for the scanner to find out how his scans exactly works. So if the results are wrong and Tincow does not have H1N1, then potential useful scanners would be outed simply because they had relied on information they could only misinterperet. . Imo, give the scanners more time, so that they have other scanning results to compare with. it's obvious, that if the scanners are telling the truth, then we have different scans in the game, so ofc the scan results are not completely accurate.

As for the part that Beskar wouldn't be mafia because he is being the scanners spokesperson is imo nonesense.. the story he tells us is that he was contacted so that he could serve this role.. Town or not, he only has one way to go from there and that is to play along.

OOC note: Welcome Back Romanicninccinc :D

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Originally Posted by Glenn

Unvote; Vote: Insanious

One silly move too many Insanious; just what are you playing at?

I'm not convinced at all Beskar, you're just "being honest", I know - but this is inclined to have me doubting you.

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Good god, why? What would he have to gain? Whatever else, Beskar himself is probably telling the truth about this.

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

Classic stuff that hasn't really been used for a while, since current players have managed to go past it...

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YLC used what I like to call "the consumate townie" routine to amazing effect in Pizza's Murder Manor 3 game, way back in May/June; he'd have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those pesky kids.

Posting in such a fashion as Glenn has is inherently scummy, but doesn't necessarily suggest that he's mafia; it does, however, provide the mafia with an effective smokescreen to hide behind.

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And looking at that list this morning, one of the players I am liking least, and certainly one of the least helpful is

Vote: Rebel Jeb

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But...I'm just a little rebel jeb...

OMGUS

Vote: Glenn

Vote Abstain

I have learnt that investigator claiming this early can mean various things. This could be a very ballsy bussing technique but he could be right and I think Tincow should go but the amount of votes on him are enough and in case he comes up with some great defence I do not want him lynched on my vote. Plus a chorus of people voting tincow is hardly helpfull

Since there is around 32 hours left on the clock (due to extended phase), I will agree with the sentiment that Tincow should be at least heard from first when he is back.

Unvote:Tincow
Vote:Abstain

Allowing for the event of lynch reversibility (since its also possible that Tincow is a townie investigator). If not, my vote hops back on Tincow should the defense prove to be unsatisfactory persuasive.

After all, Tincow's correct results on Sasaki proves that he is indeed an investigator, though his alignment remains questionable.

You've done an amazing thing ATPG, presuming that most/all of these players read your commentary, the words seem to have really gotten through. "big bandwagons bad"

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

Oh my.

I think Glenn is defending TC a bit much. Leaving me vote on him until TC turns up.

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Hmm. I agree with this. Keeping my vote on TC - if he's scum, Glenn might be as well. The possibility of hitting two scum this early is worth it, I think.
fos: Glenn

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Originally Posted by Glenn

No use in making it worse, Motep.

Here's a hint, look at TinCow's post - you may find a hidden confession (false or not) as to what his role is.

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With the force of the accusation against him, wouldn't it be preferable if there was at least enough pressure left on TC when he came back that he actually has to care about it?
I'd feel better about lynching a townie in TinCow than letting a mafia live and telling them "it's okay, you can kill Beskar" - who might still be the investigator himself.

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Originally Posted by God Emperor

OOC note: Welcome Back Romanicninccinc :D

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Yup, welcome back mate :bow:

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

You've done an amazing thing ATPG, presuming that most/all of these players read your commentary, the words seem to have really gotten through. "big bandwagons bad"

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I noticed this on day 1 as well - impressive influence that has had :yes:

I doubt Beskar is. I think if he was, he'd say he was. Plus the two wave of info thing seems odd if he had it all to start with.

Why oh why do I turn on my laptop and check the org when I'm having trouble sleeping? Seriously, I want to be unconscious right now. I have worked extra hours on top of my scheduled hours every single day this week, to the tune of adding 4 hours to 9 hour shifts.

What in the blue heck am I torturing myself for?

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

You've done an amazing thing ATPG, presuming that most/all of these players read your commentary, the words seem to have really gotten through. "big bandwagons bad"

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Well, it is true.

If the player in question has 5+ more votes than the next leading candidate, then any effort to remove them from the lead will be rather obvious. Put some pressure on other candidates.

Then, before the round ends, decide as a group who should die, of those candidates. If there's no reason not to lynch the lead candidate, put him over the top and confirm him dead. If there is a reason to lynch someone else, switch a few votes and put them into the red zone.

Adding 10 votes to a dude who is already in the lead, in the beginning of a day phase, ties the hands of the town and forces them to pick the next leading candidate, and massive counter-wagon that player simply because it's the only convenient way to spare the leader. It's shooting oneself in the foot, to all those who did not read the SW:FOTO commentary.

No pressure on the mafia is bad. At least make them sweat and think "another 2 votes and I'm in the lead.... what should I do?"

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Originally Posted by Death is yonder

After all, Tincow's correct results on Sasaki proves that he is indeed an investigator, though his alignment remains questionable.

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This is a tough argument to make, considering the number of dead per round, but if Tincow is a pro-town investigator, the mafia will want to murder him at some point. If Tincow is a mafia investigator, we could confirm it by tomorrow, seeing as there are a few investigators to work with.

Bottom line: If he's guilty, he will get a whole extra round to live, very early in the game. If he's innocent, we are sparing ourselves a bad lynch. One is a tiny bit bad, the other is very good. I would gamble on it, the risk of failure is low.

That said, I have to go over the thread and see if there is anyone besides Tincow worth lynching. Can I get an updated tally to work from?

We have two mafia teams, correct? It seems that way.

Tincow is either a town investigator or a mafia investigator. Either way he will be posing as a town investigator. Leave him alive and ask for his results, he will try his best to catch one of the opposing mafia to get himself credit and lynch competitor.

We should lynch seon instead (at least make it a viable wagon please). Scum are bouncing with glee when there is a detective result on someone other than them. Now read seon's posts today.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Seriously, I want to be unconscious right now. I have worked extra hours on top of my scheduled hours every single day this week, to the tune of adding 4 hours to 9 hour shifts.

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But I bet you sleep better knowing money will come.

Updated tally, only because its you. ~:pat:

7 TinCow (Beskar, Skooma Addict, autolycus, johnhughtom, Insanious, classical_hero, Secura)

6 Glenn (Romanic, Frozen In Ice, pevergreen, Jarema, Double A, Rebel Jeb)

2 Insanious (YLC, woad&fangs)

1 Seon (Sasaki)

1 Rebel Jeb (Glenn)

1 Beskar (Yaropolk)

1 Beefy (Beefy)

1 Motep (God Emperor)

4 Abstaining (DeathisYonder, Nightbringer, ATPGuy, Capt. Blackadder)

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Sasaki, I'm not as good as you. Mind pointing out what I should be looking for? Your gut is usually right.

I'd be ok with a Seon lynch, but I'd prefer a Glenn lynch.

To get rid of my abstain vote, and to tell Beefy how much I love him but I think he should do something besides vote for himself as it is unhelpful, I will unvote, vote: Beefy

I'd recommend a few more votes on him, just to give ourselves a "random other" candidate to lynch if we wish.

Insanious is new (to the org) and I'd like to give him more time to play before he dies; I would prefer Beskar alive for now as he is our contact with this mysterious investigator type dude. Seon is meh, he could use some pressure as well. Motep I haven't seen in a while, I'd like him alive a little longer just so he can get some game time.

(note, "some game time" expires after day two.... :evilgrin:)

Rebel Jeb is talking and being more productive than the alternatives, so for now I'd rather vote for someone who is keeping his head down. Beefy's strategy is neither helpful to the town nor any different from what he usually does. Which is interesting because when you're mafia you tend to try to act as normal for you as possible. There are plenty of candidates to vote for and plenty of leads. This is not the time for self-voting.

Sorry pevers. I know you lost Reenk, and you don't want to see Beefy go either, but in my honest assessment, he's the candidate I like the most for the lynch presently.

I dislike the glenn wagon, I feel like he ruffled some feathers mostly.

Post tincow result revealed:

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Originally Posted by Seon

We have Cloud Strife on our freaking ship?....

Can this be any crazier?

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Originally Posted by motep

also:
fos:seon - he posted a picture of a small blue-eyed thing....is this normal for him?

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Today 00:18

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Originally Posted by Seon

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/i/20...y_kingboo7.jpg

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Today 00:23


He's read the thread and knows about the tincow result, and is still reading closely enough to reply within 5 minutes, but is keeping his distance and apparently enjoying how the events are unfolding.

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Originally Posted by pizza

To get rid of my abstain vote,

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Excellent!

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Originally Posted by pizza

I will unvote, vote: Beefy

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:stare: :stare:

I would note that this is entirely normal behavior for Seon. He's not easy to analyze because his behavior is quite random and does not conform to expected townie behavior.

He's not in ACIN territory, but he's halfway there.

I could go either way on Seon, but the reason to vote him isn't there.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

:stare: :stare:

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I know, I know. I'm only going with what I think is the best candidate, regardless of my feelings about Beefy.

He's.... quite special to me. :heart:

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Sorry pevers. I know you lost Reenk, and you don't want to see Beefy go either, but in my honest assessment, he's the candidate I like the most for the lynch presently.

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Eh, when I want a Beefy fix, I've got facebook or MSN. Plus he plays a lot.

With Reenk, I've only got PMs.

And our telepathic link of course.

Sasaki: I've no idea why hes posting about Tom Nook, but I had the feeling that its his role and its a toned down version of the joker from last game.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I would note that this is entirely normal behavior for Seon. He's not easy to analyze because his behavior is quite random and does not conform to expected townie behavior.

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Translation: You are dealing with a bat:daisy: crazy Korean whose usual response to accusations falls more or less between "pictures of beeswarms attacking babies" and "Ia! Ia! Cthulhu Fhtagn!".

Anyone remember The Aparoid Queen? :laugh4:

Good lord that picture is an ugly stain on this thread, and brings back horrible memories of previous Council of Villains thread catastrophes.

Please throw a spoiler around that or something. It's like a gigantic pimple on Venus' forehead.



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Oh wait, that's my avatar. Sorry, false alarm everyone.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I know, I know. I'm only going with what I think is the best candidate, regardless of my feelings about Beefy.

He's.... quite special to me. :heart:

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There aint enough Beefy for the both of us buddy.

Then again, if were going to fight for beefy, despite my RL friendship with him, out of the two of us ATPG, I think The Flax would still win.

:laugh4:

I feel like voting for TheFlax right now.

He might not be playing this game, but my pizza senses are tingling. He's guilty of something, I'm almost sure of it.

Flax, if you're lurking in this thread, I'm warning you; those are very unclean thoughts you're having, and I find them distracting.

Pizza approves. Keep it up. :thumbsup:

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Well, its closing in on 4am, so I'm going to bed.

I can't be sure of my activity levels in the next week. I have to learn and complete 8 weeks of work by friday, since I wasted the last 5 weeks doing nothing.

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Originally Posted by Yaropolk

Vote: Beskar Beskie - why did the investigator say he randomly trusted you on N1? If I was in his shoes, I would wait until N2 to clear you before revealing.

Other folks: you don't have to vote for Beskie, but listen to what Sasaki said above and keep the band wagon small enough to change it should new info arise.

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This is odd.

Random trusting Beskar N1 aside, you're still jumping the gun a bit to vote for Beskar.

Even if everything Beskar said were dead wrong somehow, it's unlikely to be a mafia move what he's doing. There is no reason to vote for Beskar here that I can tell.

Perhaps an explanation would be in order?

I was just reading up on the links Beskar posted, and I stopped dead when I heard this name, since I think I've heard it before somewhere in this game:

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Scans of dead troopers on the G.F.S. Valhalla also seem to indicate that Phazon found impaling troopers is absorbing the corpses and turning them into Phazon. Also, dead Reptilicus Hunters frozen by the corrupted Bounty Hunter Rundas's ice powers can be scanned to reveal that the small particles of Phazon are transforming the dead bodies into Phazon as well, indicating that Phazon will seek to absorb lifeforms if they die instead of being mutated, while being mutated or even after being mutated, since Dark Samus was also seen to absorb the dead corrupted Bounty Hunters just like she had been observed to absorb common Phazon.

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Is this who Sasaki is claiming?

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Originally Posted by Nictel

So many posts so many accusations. For now I'll just say Happy New Year!

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You're doing exactly what soup was doing in the Zack Star Wars game. Off-topic, under the radar posts, and you're not voting.

If you were a pro-town role you'd be trying harder to blend in and act natural. This looks almost exclusively like it is ducking suspicion, and although you're not known to be a talkative player to begin with, for YOU this is still below your usual standards.

If you are town, I know we won't miss you at all with contributions like this.

unvote, vote: Nictel

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Originally Posted by Diamondeye

I was just reading up on the links Beskar posted, and I stopped dead when I heard this name, since I think I've heard it before somewhere in this game:


Is this who Sasaki is claiming?

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This is what I assumed at first UNTIL! I read the night post, and it doesn't seem like this holds water. For the reason that kid Iccarus (Pit) KNEW his killer. This to me screams that the killer is from the IDFH side of the universe (I assume its SSBB). Since Pit would not recognize his attacker if he was from the Metroid Universe, I do not think that Rundas was Pit's killer.

This is only assuming that I can read that much into the write up...

Hey now, I always post like that ATPG.
Although last time, I had a good reason to.
Fun times, fun times.

Anyways, I abstained from voting, so fix that tally!

.....You sure there is no joker role?

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Originally Posted by Diamondeye

Is this who Sasaki is claiming?

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I think Rundas featured in one of the Metroid Prime games (3?) and was one of a host of bounty hunters (that includes Samus), but he was eventually corrupted by Phazon and ends up being a boss fight.

Considering the focus for the game is the Metroid series, with other characters supporting, it's more than likely that the bounty hunters all feature and probably in their uncorrupted forms too; however, I'd guess that they're potential recruits for Dark Samus, given the Prime series and their lore.

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Originally Posted by Secura

I think Rundas featured in one of the Metroid Prime games (3?) and was one of a host of bounty hunters (that includes Samus), but he was eventually corrupted by Phazon and ends up being a boss fight.

Considering the focus for the game is the Metroid series, with other characters supporting, it's more than likely that the bounty hunters all feature and probably in their uncorrupted forms too; however, I'd guess that they're potential recruits for Dark Samus, given the Prime series and their lore.

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I don't know a lot about any of these universes, so it just caught my attention. Then again I guess that naming one of your compatriots (if Beskar is right) would be beyond stupid, so I don't know exactly what it's worth. Just wanted to draw attention to it.

Also, it might useful to try and identify the killers in the writeup... I noticed that Dark Samus is, in her entry, described as a "Dark Hunter", which also is the appearance of one of the attackers. Can anyone make anything of the rest?

unvote: insanious; vote: Glenn The case on TinCow seems week and Glenn seems to be trying too hard. I can't remember if that is normal for him or not.

I'd prefer someone who is trying over someone who is not, personally.

It's been a while. Glenn's probably just enthusiastic. Remember how the town focused on Ignoramus for showing enthusiasm in Fall of the Order? It's a bad case. Maybe he's mafia, maybe he's not, but you can't really tell based on enthusiasm or effort. If Glenn were mafia, his mates would have told him to tone it down by now.

How about some votes on Nictel? Hmmm?

Anyone?

:cry:

This is what new years does to me - makes me come in late when anything I'd comment on would make no sense and has been buried.

Also, not interested in repeating the "lets ACTUALLY use roleblockers intelligently!!!" scheme which got me lynched last game because attempts at organization are "scummy".

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Originally Posted by YLC

This is what new years does to me - makes me come in late when anything I'd comment on would make no sense and has been buried.

Also, not interested in repeating the "lets ACTUALLY use roleblockers intelligently!!!" scheme which got me lynched last game because attempts at organization are "scummy".

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This game, we're learning from mistakes in the previous game. Or at least some of us are. Don't be so pessimistic.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

How about some votes on Nictel? Hmmm?

Anyone?

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Don't cry, pizzaguy.

vote: Nictel

Ok, I am back, going to read through the thread. Though I saw some one say "Case on TinCow is weak" when it is pretty much classified as 'very strong' in terms of the average scum accusation. :inquisitive:

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Just finished catching up, as usual, players like Renata, Pizza, etc, can easily read that my actions are not mafia motivated and because I believe this result is correct.

Also, Glenn, you said:
"I don't know why people want me dead for being a townie."

The issue is, you are trying to be anything but a townie, especially in your defense of TinCow. When TinCow gets lynched and is revealed as being mafia, what are you going to say then?

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I would note that this is entirely normal behavior for Seon. He's not easy to analyze because his behavior is quite random and does not conform to expected townie behavior.

He's not in ACIN territory, but he's halfway there.

I could go either way on Seon, but the reason to vote him isn't there.

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SNTOEHSUGHLSCEUSOEGBJLBDKAOSBJBU

YOU JUST GAVE EXCELLENT REASONS TO LYNCH HIM OVER EITHER OF THE TWO LEADING CANDIDATES

classical hero in star wars, we lynched him for being super scummy. Plays the same in another game, gets the scum win. Don't ignore people. I think even seon would have a genuine comment to add with a detective result if he was town.

Where's the town leadership pizza?

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Originally Posted by Beskar

The issue is, you are trying to be anything but a townie, especially in your defense of TinCow. When TinCow gets lynched and is revealed as being mafia, what are you going to say then?

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Probably "Whoops, my bad, I was wrong."

I don't read his behavior as being supportive of a mafia partner. That's too reckless. Just like I don't read your behavior as being deceitful here.

Remember, obviously wrong behavior is likely to be townie behavior. People who are in the know and making nearly flawless moves probably know more than we do and are more likely to be mafia.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

SNTOEHSUGHLSCEUSOEGBJLBDKAOSBJBU

YOU JUST GAVE EXCELLENT REASONS TO LYNCH HIM OVER EITHER OF THE TWO LEADING CANDIDATES

classical hero in star wars, we lynched him for being super scummy. Plays the same in another game, gets the scum win. Don't ignore people. I think even seon would have a genuine comment to add with a detective result if he was town.

Where's the town leadership pizza?

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I like Nictel better, that's why.

But, given the choice, yeah; Seon over Glenn or Tincow is fine.

A cat is fine too.

Support me on Nictel, maybe I'll support you on Seon later.

Nictel could just be busy atm.

Alternatively, we could lynch frozen, although I don't remember why.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Nictel could just be busy atm.

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I still want to drink his blood and find out if it is scummy. Why must you be so difficult? Everyone else just follows my lead. I command you to do as I say!!!

Pew pew pew pew

*makes hand motions* It's useless to resist!




Fine, be that way. I'll vote for Seon if that's the alternative to the leaders. You need moar votes though.


I just realized I sound like I am drunk. That's because I am way too tired to be doing this right now.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

This is odd.

Random trusting Beskar N1 aside, you're still jumping the gun a bit to vote for Beskar.

Even if everything Beskar said were dead wrong somehow, it's unlikely to be a mafia move what he's doing. There is no reason to vote for Beskar here that I can tell.

Perhaps an explanation would be in order?

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Yes, an explanation from Beskar is indeed in order

Vote: insanious.

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Originally Posted by woad&fangs

unvote: insanious; vote: Glenn The case on TinCow seems week and Glenn seems to be trying too hard. I can't remember if that is normal for him or not.

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This post is scummy

Apologies for my absence. I had to drive 4.5 hours this morning while nursing a serious hangover. Wife couldn't share the driving, she was even worse off.

I'm somewhat surprised to see that I actually have a chance of surviving this round. I don't exactly have a whole lot more to say, there's only been a single night and you already have my only investigation result. My role name is Isaac from some game I've never heard of. I am a "Hero" which I thought was just a normal townie role, but since everyone who's dead is showing up as a Survivalist of some kind, I think I'm a minority town role. My victory condition is to destroy all anti-town forces. What exactly is a Survivalist anyway? Do all of you guys have to survive until the end of the game to win?

I agree.

Tincow- If you survive and you're not mafia, I'd say lesson was learned from FOTO.

Something is definitely not right here; either Beskar's investigator is full of it, or Tincow cannot be trusted at all.

I think we have the resources to find out which, without lynching Tincow, but that's a lot of investment. You must decide if you want to invest those resources. In the meantime, my vote is on Nictel for reasons stated, and you must decide. I will not be back before the round is over and I won't be able to change my vote, so I think it best if I keep my vote away from the current leaders. You have enough votes to lynch or not lynch Tincow, so the options are available.

Adios and good luck.

Can we have a quick tally? I'm going to hop on the bandwagon of "Roleblock TC", can't do it by joining the abstain bandwagon.

I know where Isaac is from TC, so he is kind of good cover for Cloud Strife. However, Isaac doesn't make sense as an investigator, so...

Lynch Glenn, I'm getting bad vibes off him. He seemed quite useful yesterday, with all his Tally's and commenting, but he's playing similar to myself when I'm mafia, a bit more relaxed to help out, especially when you can offer known townies up for a lynch.

Are we talking Issac from Golden Sun?

Tally:

7 TinCow (Beskar, Skooma Addict, autolycus, johnhughtom, Insanious, classical_hero, Secura)
7 Glenn (Romanic, Frozen In Ice, pevergreen, Jarema, Double A, Rebel Jeb, woad&fangs)
2 Nictel (ATPG, Winston)
2 Insanious (YLC, Landlubber)
1 Seon (Sasaki)
1 Rebel Jeb (Glenn)
1 Beskar (Yaropolk)
1 Beefy (Beefy)
1 Motep (God Emperor)
3 Abstaining (DeathisYonder, Nightbringer, Capt. Blackadder)

unvote,vote:nictel

8 TinCow (Beskar, Skooma Addict, autolycus, johnhughtom, Insanious, classical_hero, Diamondeye, Secura)
7 Glenn (Romanic, Frozen In Ice, pevergreen, Jarema, Double A, Rebel Jeb, woad&fangs)
3 Nictel (ATPG, Winston, Sasaki)
2 Insanious (YLC, Landlubber)
1 Rebel Jeb (Glenn)
1 Beskar (Yaropolk)
1 Beefy (Beefy)
1 Motep (God Emperor)
4 Abstaining (DeathisYonder, Nightbringer, Thefluffyone93, Capt. Blackadder)

Updated and fixed. The last tallies were missing DE's vote on TinCow (#365) and Thefluffyone's abstain (#396).

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OOC note: Welcome Back Romanicninccinc :D

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Looks like someone drank too much on New Years Eve? :laugh4:

Unvote:, Vote: Glenn

Vote: Tincow

I can see one point for the mafia to stick their neck out like this, but that would require that Tincow have some "unkillable by night" -role and they know it. Highly improbable, in particular with Tincow's role claim.

Roleblocking and more scans have the problem that we don't know the strength of roleblocking (Or even if it's in the game, but that's probable). FOTO had sith able to convert and melee attack while roleblocked, so only role-restricted in that case.
For extra scanning, how are we supposed to get the data out to town atm? Beskar is a default ally or a semi-random choise (aka might still be mafia, even if it's unlikely). How many turns would it take to establish a network to get the info out in public?

If anybody has good plans for this, lets hear them.

investigators so far:

beskars freind
greyblades
tincow

greyblades flipped as "survivalist" too. So it seems to me that investigating in a low grade power. Which means it is nerfed. Which means we shouldn't go LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH with a result. It may be useful later.

c'mon, just a few votes on the nictel wagon. It would be 8-7-5 if you had both voted him.

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Vote: Tincow

I can see one point for the mafia to stick their neck out like this, but that would require that Tincow have some "unkillable by night" -role and they know it. Highly improbable, in particular with Tincow's role claim.

Roleblocking and more scans have the problem that we don't know the strength of roleblocking (Or even if it's in the game, but that's probable). FOTO had sith able to convert and melee attack while roleblocked, so only role-restricted in that case.
For extra scanning, how are we supposed to get the data out to town atm? Beskar is a default ally or a semi-random choise (aka might still be mafia, even if it's unlikely). How many turns would it take to establish a network to get the info out in public?

If anybody has good plans for this, lets hear them.

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I'd vote you for this, except I don't want TC to die.

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Originally Posted by robbiecon

Lynch Glenn, I'm getting bad vibes off him. He seemed quite useful yesterday, with all his Tally's and commenting, but he's playing similar to myself when I'm mafia, a bit more relaxed to help out, especially when you can offer known townies up for a lynch.

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Why are you promoting a lynch when you're not even voting yourself?

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

greyblades flipped as "survivalist" too. So it seems to me that investigating in a low grade power. Which means it is nerfed. Which means we shouldn't go LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH with a result. It may be useful later.

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My power is called Scan Visor. Description is: Investigate a target’s identity and alignment at night. Icon is the same one that is shown in Greyblades' death. We likely have (had) the same ability. Looks to me like a low-level investigation ability similar to those I gave townies in Rubicon: their purpose was to encourage inter-faction fighting by allowing the factions to ID each other. In Rubicon, those level investigations did not reveal mafia.

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c'mon, just a few votes on the nictel wagon. It would be 8-7-5 if you had both voted him.

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Vote: Nictel

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Originally Posted by Romanic

Why are you promoting a lynch when you're not even voting yourself?

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Dead:
robbiecon - Trace (GF Survivalist)

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Do keep up, Romanic!

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Originally Posted by Secura

Do keep up, Romanic!

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Duh, Robbie is dead. Oops. :embarassed:

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Vote: Nictel

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You're power doesn't sound legit to me based on your character and why Nictel?

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Originally Posted by YLC

You're power doesn't sound legit to me based on your character and why Nictel?

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why nictel? WHY NICTEL? SOTCDGSUCKADDQ KCIG

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Originally Posted by YLC

You're power doesn't sound legit to me based on your character and why Nictel?

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:shrug: Barring Goldeneye and Mario Kart 64, I haven't played any console games since the NES. I can't alleviate your doubts about the role/power as I know nothing about the universe this game is set in.

I voted Nictel because Sasaki wants him lynched. The whole reason I investigated Sasaki on N1 is the same reason I always investigate him N1 when I have the ability to do so: I trust his gut instinct far more than my own and I have a tendency to follow his lead when I have no specific leads of my own. Knowing his alignment makes that a bit easier for me. Also, to be blunt, I'm not exactly in a strong position to start arguing for a specific person's lynch here.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

why nictel? WHY NICTEL? SOTCDGSUCKADDQ KCIG

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Nictel to get support for Seon? Then why not just Seon?!

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:shrug: Barring Goldeneye and Mario Kart 64, I haven't played any console games since the NES. I can't alleviate your doubts about the role/power as I know nothing about the universe this game is set in.

I voted Nictel because Sasaki wants him lynched. The whole reason I investigated Sasaki on N1 is the same reason I always investigate him N1 when I have the ability to do so: I trust his gut instinct far more than my own and I have a tendency to follow his lead when I have no specific leads of my own. Knowing his alignment makes that a bit easier for me. Also, to be blunt, I'm not exactly in a strong position to start arguing for a specific person's lynch here.

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No, that's not the issue. I'd be concerned if you did know what universe this is set in, and whom Isaac is. The power fits the setting, not the character.

Sasaki may want Nictel lynched, but that won't save you unless you have more supporters. It's more productive to simply vote Glenn.