[Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [Concluded]

[pevergreen]

Bandwagons tend to be irreversible when it comes to one-post wonders such as pevergreen, classical_hero, Skooma Addict and johnhughtom.

Unvote, Vote: Glenn

Stick that up your one post wonder.

[Romanic]

Frozen In Ice, why must suspicions be based on anything strong or obvious? I believe that is what votes are for.

My suspicions could be verily placed upon anyone or anything I please to suspect, if it appears suspicious to me.

I like the way Romanic and Motep are reacting, it is jaw-droppingly suspicious.

Romanic and Motep sitting in a tree K-I-L-L-I-N-G, all T-O-W-N-I-Es.


But note that I haven't voted for them yet.

If someone's acting suspiciously, it's you. Twice you have thrown suspicions at me and twice you have ignored my request to know why I look suspicious to you. Throwing suspicions without backing up your claim is anti-town. It just looks like a scum trying to raise suspicion on someone without a good reason (cause let's face it, scum never have a good reason).

Also saying that someone is very scummy, and not vote for them, is even more anti-town. In this case you are saying that there's a connection between Motep and I, and that were are killing townies. All this without backing up your claim.

And I'm really not in your face because you are accusing me, this kind of behavior is clearly not helpful. My vote is not on you because there's a better candidate, but I'm not done with you.

And I won't bring up the fact that you wrote something along the lines of "I'm soooo Townie, but go figure the mafia let me live, wow!!!" (oh wait, I just brought it up).

[Beskar]

Just been referred to another wikia page, Dark Samus.

Dark Samus (ダークサムス DaakuSamusu, Samus Oscura in Spanish) is a being of Phazon taking on the form of Samus Aran. She made a brief cameo appearance in the secret ending of Metroid Prime, was a central character in Metroid Prime 2: Echoes, and was the main antagonist in Metroid Prime 3: Corruption.

Looks like he is part of the Dark Samus team.

[Beskar]

On another note, TinCow's result could be correct and he could still be mafia.

It isn't a first time a mafia team has got an investigator. See ATPG's Starwars game (Psychonaut), Netherworld 2 (Sigurd), Shadowfort (Psychonaut), etc

Trial by fire is definitely a way to go.

[Diamondeye]

While I'm going to go with Beskar's early (too early?) hit and vote:Tincow, I think there is some sort of reason to what Glenn says; even if we end up lynching TinCow, we should try and use this round to accumulate info on other players as well.

I'm going to actually click those links and make up an educated opinion when it's not 3:45 AM and I'm not drunk. So far, my vote's where it's ought to be.

[Beefy187]

Why kill Reenk on the first night?

[Romanic]

Ugh out of town and posting on phone. No time to defend myself at length due to nye party. Investigator is lying. Last night I was investigating. As proof, my result was that sasaki is Rundas, GF survivalist. He can confirm this.

This is hardly proof enough that you are a Town scanner. Scum can have access to investigative results on their own, and we've seen them use this information to claim scanner, in previous games. Lylat Wars come to mind when Pinman claimed having scanned TheFlax.

Since you're ready to claim your ability (scanner), now I'd like to hear you claim a name. Your counterclaim would have held more weight in my eyes if you gave up your complete role (name and ability), but let's see which name you will come up with.

[pevergreen]

Why kill Reenk on the first night?

I concur beefy. WHHYYYYYYY.

[Greyblades]

Sigh nevermind. sorry.

[pevergreen]

I think I should probably inform you lot that I was

-Dead players can participate, but may NOT vote or reveal previous night actions or sensitive information they knew before their death.

I take that to mean, no reveal after death.

Edit it out G-blades?

[classical_hero]

Bandwagons tend to be irreversible when it comes to one-post wonders such as pevergreen, classical_hero, Skooma Addict and johnhughtom.

It is often a case of damned if you do and damned if you don't. I was being accused of being scum since a being a bit too active, or that's how i saw it from Winston, even if it was just first day follies and now you are saying that I am a one post wonder. What if this bandwagon is correct? If it is correct then fos:Glenn since he is attacking a bandwagon based on good evidence so far. If we are correct, you look extremely suspicious.

[Choxorn]

However, I cautiously note the eagerness in lynching the investigator should he be wrong. The current situation reminds me wayy too much of Star Wars Mafia where in a similar case, Tincow was "exposed" by an investigator who wrongly interpreted his results, and after that, got lynched himself [Rebel Jeb].

Jeb was Night-killed, not lynched.

Aw man dead on the first day? Hrmph, put me down for replacements.

This.

Of course I'm dead by Day 2 in two seperate large mafia games, the other being Earthling's game on CFC.

To whoever killed me: If you are in that game, then I swear to whatever deities exist in this multiverse, I will find you, shoot you with a cannon and feed you to a space monster.

[Secura]

Having seen Beskar discussing this while at his home today (Happy New Year to you all, by the way), I can vouch for how serious he was about this accusation and how strongly he trusted his source.

As previous posters have stated, being an investigator and providing a result backed up by another player doesn't always mean you're town; I remember Psychonaut having a potential recruit scanning ability as the Turkish Spymaster in Shadow Fort, for example. It's entirely possibly that Beskar's source has accurately scanned a similar role in TinCow, who could be able to scan for potential Phazon recruits.

As such, vote: TinCow

I concur beefy. WHHYYYYYYY.

I said something similar to Beskar; it's rare that Reenk signs up for games these days, it's a shame that he finds a game interesting and commits to it only to die early... reminds me of Sigurd's Star Wars game where Husar was killed on the first night during his first game back in the saddle after a very long hiatus. >.<

[Frozen In Ice]

Ugh out of town and posting on phone. No time to defend myself at length due to nye party. Investigator is lying. Last night I was investigating. As proof, my result was that sasaki is Rundas, GF survivalist. He can confirm this.

Out of town posting fromphone. Yes vote forguy who had no internet acess for most week. Veryw well played chaotiz.

A trend among mafia perhaps?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'm rundas, gf survivalist.

Have you guys learned nothing from past games? Keep the wagon small enough to be reversible pending discussion. We need a better idea of the setup.

3 investigators so far implies that they are fairly nerfed.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

fos:frozeninice

[Yaropolk]

Vote: Beskar Beskie - why did the investigator say he randomly trusted you on N1? If I was in his shoes, I would wait until N2 to clear you before revealing.

Other folks: you don't have to vote for Beskie, but listen to what Sasaki said above and keep the band wagon small enough to change it should new info arise.

[PershsNhpios]

There we have it - news from the horses mouth.

This doesn't prove Beskar guilty by any means but I think it certainly disproves the legitimacy of a bandwagon on TinCow, although he should remain in the limelight until he returns to state his defence which I'm sure he will soon enough.

classical_hero, you may not be a one-post wonder, but you must admit that my comment prevented you from becoming one.

I don't know about Motep, but Romanic certainly seems to have his knickers in a knotty.

The idea of having a detective or any pro-town role reveal his full role on the second day can only favour the mafia, unless the detective states otherwise.

Romanic just isn't making sense, his suggestions are just villainous.

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9 TinCow (Beskar, Skooma Addict, autolycus, johnhughtom, Insanious, classical_hero, Romanic, DeathisYonder, Secura)

2 Insanious (YLC, woad&fangs)

2 Glenn (Frozen In Ice, pevergreen)

1 Motep (Sasaki)

1 Rebel Jeb (Glenn)

1 Beskar (Yaropolk)

1 Abstaining (Nightbringer)

[Motep]

fos:Beskar - Given the worst case scenario, that is he is scum and we follow him, we lose three days. Day one for tincow. Day two for whoever "revealed" tincow. And day three for beskar. Three days of relative safety for the rest of his crew to run amok in the night and kill us all. But this is the worst case scenario, mind.
fos:Tincow - best case scenario. Another thing to bear in mind.
fos:Glenn - herding us away from tincow and towards me and romanic. Could be scum herd? And the "detective" is working through a second party, so he is not actually in direct danger if he exists.

I advise caution, but note that good bandwagons would be just as reversible as bad ones, and easier for a concentrated effort by a synchronized party.

also:
fos:seon - he posted a picture of a small blue-eyed thing....is this normal for him?

[Seon]

fos:seon - he posted a picture of a small blue-eyed thing....is this normal for him?

[Motep]

stuff

I will take this as a probably...

[pevergreen]

Oh my.

I think Glenn is defending TC a bit much. Leaving me vote on him until TC turns up.

edit: Hes posting (as) Tom Nook, from Animal Crossing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Nook

[Sasaki Kojiro]

unvote, vote:Seon

Nothing to say, but in a good mood about the way the day is playing out. Let's lynch this guy.

[Romanic]

The idea of having a detective or any pro-town role reveal his full role on the second day can only favour the mafia, unless the detective states otherwise.

Romanic just isn't making sense, his suggestions are just villainous.

Giving his name would validate his claim by giving us more information to analyze it. At this point he needs all the help he can get, if he really is a Town scanner. I don't see what's vilainous in my idea since as it is, TinCow is going to be lynched and we will now his name.

Also, if TinCow is not mafia, then the mafia know he's probably telling the truth about being a Town scanner, and theywill likely try to kill him asap, so I really do not see how the mafia will profit more from knowing his name. Please explain to me how the mafia would profit from this new information? I just don't see it.

I'm not sure if I should expect an answer here. You keep avoiding me.

And if I am so vilainous, why don't you stick your vote on me instead of.... er.... Rebel Jeb because, quoting yourself, he's "one of the least helpful players". That certainly does not look as scummy as how you describe me.

Put your money where your mouth is. For all I know you're a scum trying to raise suspicions on other players without actually committing yourself.

unvote; vote: Glenn

While reducing the bandwagon on TinCow to keep it manageable. I'm just a multitasker, I surprise myself.

[Motep]

edit: Hes posting (as) Tom Nook, from Animal Crossing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Nook

Oh....ok.

finger of forgiveness: seon

[Double A]

I am very tired, and have not diligently read past post #343. I just have a few points to make that I will likely forget if I don't say them now.

I do not like this post - you sound like a tryhard, a despairing one at that. I especially do not like being told what I think, nor do I find it pleasent you'd subtle accuse the town of incompetence, and then try to formulate it into an innocent question. No townie would do this, not Day 1, 2, 10, or 20.

Vote: Insanious

Thanks for the lead though, power role or scum that you are.

I have done this as a townie before (and got lynched). I'm not defending him, this is just for the record.

Vote: Glenn Your last post doesn't sit right with me. Not the part that classical_hero qouted above, that was actually very helpful, but the rest of it. You seem to be trying very hard to appear as a helpful townie, and that "possible Motep-Romanic" link is part of it. It seems like a very fragile connection to base suspicions off of and to me it comes off as trying really hard to appear townie. Not to mention you said you already trusted Double A on day 1, that also seemed off.

That does seem off, why would someone trust anyone on day one?

Unless... of course! We're scum buddies! It all makes sense now.


Finally, I must say, while I disapprove of bandwagons, it's day two, and I don't really see any other options turning up. For now, though, I shall vote: abstain, just in case I can't get on for whatever reason. Good night, and happy new year.

[Beskar]

This doesn't prove Beskar guilty by any means but I think it certainly disproves the legitimacy of a bandwagon on TinCow, although he should remain in the limelight until he returns to state his defence which I'm sure he will soon enough.

No, it doesn't disapprove of any legitimacy. Don't have to be sore because whoever gave me this information, spoke to me, opposed to yourself (who is definitely shown to be 'trustworthy'). At the current rate, my actions have so far proven that I am in fact one of the best people to have revealed to.

fos:Beskar - Given the worst case scenario, that is he is scum and we follow him, we lose three days. Day one for tincow. Day two for whoever "revealed" tincow. And day three for beskar. Three days of relative safety for the rest of his crew to run amok in the night and kill us all. But this is the worst case scenario, mind.

Should be rephrased as "dumbest case scenario". If I was a mafia or wanted to assist any 'mafia partners', I wouldn't walk into the limelight of a game on day two.

[Motep]

No, it doesn't disapprove of any legitimacy.



Should be rephrased as "dumbest case scenario". If I was a mafia or wanted to assist any 'mafia partners', I wouldn't walk into the limelight of a game on day two.

So dumb it might work?

(although I do agree, it seems pretty stupid, unless there are plans to move quite quickly.)

[Beskar]

So dumb it might work?
(although I do agree, it seems pretty stupid, unless there are plans to move quite quickly.)

It wouldn't work, if I was a mafia, my death would be a big early game blow to the team. On the otherhand, this is exactly why the information from the investigator should be tested by fire. No point running around like headless chickens when you can deliver a severe and game-changing blow against the mafia.

The information given to me which I also posted in this topic, looks entirely legitimate. This is why I agreed to this in the first place. Revealing TinCow might mean my own death at the mafia tonight, but hey, 1 mafia down.

[Motep]

Unless you are minor role being fed by mafia spy and tincow is important for other people....

maybe I am just being paranoid..