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Well, assuming nobody else can properly articulate ATPG's muddled visions, I'm going to head off to sleep. Per the rules of general courtesy, please at least start a decent counter-bandwagon that I can join when I wake up and find 9 votes on me. :laugh4:
Begin Askthepizzaguy-as-Askthepizzaguy mode:
You're comparing Kagemusha in Mafia X as Emilio to Khazaar in Midgardsaga III as Khazaar.
Here's what's wrong with that:
1.) Two very different players
2.) Two different games
3.) Wildly different setups and mechanics
4.) Anonymous accounts
That's just for starters. And specifically, Khazaar is always the same sort of way. You can pick on his voting pattern or his wording or who he's supporting or not, but voting him because he hasn't posted a lot is like voting for him because his name starts with a K. It's not going to change from game to game, and as such, it's entirely flawed reasoning for a vote.
Could it be a correct vote? Sure. You could have horrible reasoning and still be right. But let's not kid ourselves that the reason you'd be right, if you were right, was based on such reasoning. You might as well say random.org told you to do it. That would at least acknowledge that you're not putting thought into the vote.
I can't be bothered to link to Reenk's refutation of some of my own less-good cases in the past, but essentially he's right about a lot of things. One of my biggest mistakes with SkyNet was trying to profile only mafia, not town as well, and not differentiating between players, just actions.
If player A self-votes, it's unusual and weird. If player B does it, it's not. Trying to base a case on Khazaar for reasoning that may or may not work for Kagemusha is a shot in the dark at best, but when its a case that basically says "Khazaar is behaving suspiciously too much like Khazaar" it's utter hogwash.
I know you're a better thinker than this, as townie and as mafia. So I find the previous exchange legitimately scummy, not just odd or unhelpful like your challenge toward me, or fakey, like your lecture about networking.
Die, die, die.
None of those points you made have anything to do with anything.
1) Since this seems to be the point you elaborated on, I'll address this in greater detail below.
2) Your Points 2 and 3 are exactly the same, but with different wording.
3) The fact that they are two dissimilar games does not change the fact that a lurker strategy can work in both.
4) I tried to think of a rebuttal to this, but upon further examination I realized that it's just another variation on Points 2 and 3.
So really you only made an argument based off two points, one of which I refuted in a sentence.
As for Point 1, yes, Khazaar and Kage are two very different players, I'll give you that. Khazaar's playstyle *is* always to lurk and stay below the radar, I recognize this. This is my reason for voting him. His behavior has not changed, so were I to use a behavioral analysis program like our dearly departed Skynet or some of Kommodus's older systems, Khazaar would show up as townie, or at the very least would be well under a standard deviation from his normal style. Khazaar's behavior has not changed. The town's behavior regarding lurkers, however, has. Mafia X demonstrated this. We are no longer as diligent in weeding out the lurkers as we were in the past, and Kage's survival to the end confirms this.
Now, you can argue with me until the metaphorical cows return to their outdoor domiciles the reasons for this, and feel free, if you want to. I don't think it was the anonymous accounts. They were still the same players behind the accounts. The players that knew (or used to know) that the lurkers had to die before the end so they didn't completely slip by.
So yes, Khazaar is fine. The town sentiment, however, is not. Khazaar has the same chance of being a mafioso as he always does. However, the town, its sentiment regarding lurkers apparently having swung in a different direction while my superior wisdom and I were not involved in any games for that long stretch of time, has less of chance of lynching him than usual and doing itself a favor. Hence my vote. Think of it as a benevolent figure, say a deity, showing a sign to the lesser beings that he watches over to demonstrate the error of their ways as opposed to going all Old Testament on them. :stupido:
2) Points 2 and 3 are not exactly the same. I'll elaborate.Quote:
None of those points you made have anything to do with anything.
1) Since this seems to be the point you elaborated on, I'll address this in greater detail below.
2) Your Points 2 and 3 are exactly the same, but with different wording.
3) The fact that they are two dissimilar games does not change the fact that a lurker strategy can work in both.
4) I tried to think of a rebuttal to this, but upon further examination I realized that it's just another variation on Points 2 and 3.
So really you only made an argument based off two points, one of which I refuted in a sentence.
Play in different games [with similar setups] can be based on the role distribution and based on the exact scenario at the time, say, if people are bandwagoning without reasoning and people's reaction to that, or if there's a lot of votes spread out and reactions to that. Same game setup, different situational aspects. Not accounted for with your comparison.
Now, 3) talks about [dissimilar games]. That adds a whole different can of worms to the reasoning why the comparison is flawed. You might be able to get away with lurking in a game where there's no investigators who can scan for night activity (there are in this game), you might be able to do it in a game without the Holmgang which basically amounts to a type of vigilantism which also exposes strength rating, and if you can't beat em by holmgang, you can still lynch. You might be able to do it in a game where there are no night time vigilantes, and I have reason to suspect we have some of those. And that's if Khazaar is lurking as a strategy. What about Andres? He dropped off the face of the planet. Could he have a momentary lapse in his RL situation that demands his attention? Is a day or two away from the computer lurking? Khazaar's behavior thus far, given what day it is, can't even be described as a definite strategy, or unusual.
Now, you can "refute" in a sentence anything I say if you just plainly dismiss it without reasoning. Anonymous accounts allow for unusual behavior to not get patterned. Kagemusha could get away with lurking because he wasn't kagemusha, he was Emilio. He could have been any number of usual-lurkers that had remained alive until near the end.
So yes, every one of my points had a purpose. Your rhetoric is skillful but poorly hides the fact that you had no real refutation, just an assertion that we should lynch lurkers.
All right, go ahead and vote Khazaar for his usual play because it might be dangerous as mafia. I'll vote for you because I find your principles situational and convenient. Giving your reason for a vote as a principled stand against lurkers is a nice way of not having to make up some fake analysis or give reasons someone can refute.
I'm taking a principled stand against GH, because he is dangerous as mafia. :clown:
I'll address the bells and whistles of your post once I wake up.
However, there's one part:
There was one other reason why Khazaar stood out against the many. He seemed like the type that didn't know about this being Seamus's first game in centuries and thus was less likely to realize that offing him N1 was a :daisy: move. :laugh4:Quote:
Giving your reason for a vote as a principled stand against lurkers is a nice way of not having to make up some fake analysis or give reasons someone can refute.
Why not just vote for a lurker who is behaving more uncharacteristically? ____ knows we have enough lurkers so far.
Because it's a principled stand against Khazaar, not a principled stand against unusual lurking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightbringer
What I am getting from GH is that he is taking a stand against lurking, and is targeting Khazaar because he is someone who would likely be left alone for it because of the reasons you have stated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Lurking as normal behavior would be an easy way for mafia to hide and as such they are a possible threat. In a situation with little info to go on (day 3) why not try to put him on the spot and see how he reacts.
Of course, the extent to which GH is debating this does seem somewhat scummy.
If I were in his position, I probably would have just dropped it unless I were mafia, in which case I would obsess about not letting you have a point against me. That is just me though and GH is a much more skilled player than I.
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There was one other reason why Khazaar stood out against the many. He seemed like the type that didn't know about this being Seamus's first game in centuries and thus was less likely to realize that offing him N1 was....
I have to re-read Seamus' death and see if there's any clue the Jotun did it. I admit I didn't read it fully the first time.
4 kills, 2 kills, 1 kill and at least 1 attempt that failed, I am not entirely certain all the kills are done by the Jotun. I think perhaps some gods or other roles exist which can kill.
If so, there will be false reasoning that someone is not Jotun because they'd never kill Seamus. I tend to agree that more of our veteran players would be overjoyed to see Seamus in action again and would leave him alone for that reason. But there are some rather important exceptions.
Exception: Example of the previous game, two veterans decided the kills by random.org. They could just shrug and say it was the will of the Force. This has happened before, it was effective, it could happen again.
Exception: Some players would love to have the alibi of "I'd never kill Seamus". This is Mafia, we're not taking each other to the prom. There will be dishonorable tactics and backstabbing and players will perform such actions with glee and its all perfectly acceptable. And if they get one over on us because they convinced us they'd never do such a thing, that is the essence of mafia.
So it's bogus. Those same peeps decrying Seamus' death will be the first to say it was a legit tactic once you find out they're scum and they did it, because they've pulled the same :daisy: before with a big grin on their face.
And on re-read it seems I cannot discern who was who.
Which brings me to my next point: I would do this myself when I get a moment but some of you are particularly good at it. Romanic/Tincow anyone else fitting the description of a good writeup analyser or cataloguer should break the writeups thus far down into their pertinent facts.
I'm not sure if the dead can tell us which dead person they were or if that's allowed, but the writeups do contain certain things which may become important, like the Frankish blade kill, the psychotic madman who seemed to be controlled as if by magic kill, and so on.
I'd like to say the kills are in order, and the names on the dead list are in order, but that's a dangerous assumption to make without knowing for sure. And with that note, I'll step down and go to sleep and allow for some pages where it's not just me talking to myself.
I think there is (evidence Seamus was a Jotun kill). One night zero, he and Seon were both killed by weird stuff, not like direct action someone stabbing someone else with a sword. The other two were more direct. Both night one deaths were weird stuff. I haven't looked at last night in any detail yet.
I want to vote for Khaan for this:
It's a bad enough vote in itself, but that's compounded by its timing, which came *after* Tratorix and Autolycus had already done the same thing (I think after DE, too, though I'm not sure). If Tratorix is townie as I think he is, and if Autolycus is merely his usual Renata-scumdar-bait and not actually scum (which given he has ALSO now voted for Heimdall could well be the case -- Jotuns shouldn't be quite that suicidal), then Khaan had plenty of townie cover for his action. On top of that he doesn't just blame it on CH's high Holmgang score as the other two did, he actually tries to give a reason, only it's not really a reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by issaikhaan
And he's only posted twice all game, the other being a throwaway vote on day one.
Couple of votes on him would be loverly.
vote: Khaan
Not bothering with the huuuge wall of texts between ATPG and GH, it's simply confusing me too much. Instead, I'll help Renata out with a Vote:Khaan.
And yeah, it looked like CH was a God... Bifrost is the rainbow bridge from Asgard. Whoever mentioned the Jotun's comment about eyesight might right that he was Odin, but Heimdall is the "Watching God"... If W&F hadn't claimed the role, I would think that was what the Jotun referred to. And I didn't even see the Holmgang, was it edited into a former post?
Vote : abstain
Sorry for the lack of activity, RL is taking its' toll.
What's your beef with Loki? Are you claiming he is scum?Quote:
Originally Posted by woad&fangs
Point of order, what exactly is wrong about advocating against networking?Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Err... guys, what you seem to miss about the last Holmgang, is that the bystander didn't get killed. He won the duel, which means Kagemusha was the man from Romsdal who got killed in the Holmgang, the bystander must be woad&fangs or something very strange happened in that last duel.
In the footsteps of the two Per's (Pär's to be precise): vote: Khaazar (though I hate voting for lurkers, just let me holmgang them)
GH has become enlightened you mean. He is WELL on his way to attaining godhood. :bow: :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
From The Campground:
But yes, I strongly advise ANY godhood applicants not to vote for GH (just yet). You know who you are :stare:.Quote:
You dare ask for explanations for votes!?!?!?! :stare:
It is surely an incontrovertible maxim of Mafia games and of life itself that seeking explanations for actions is the surest way to fall into manifest error. For it is clear that any introspection for reasons behind our motives are themselves laden with various biases, observational vantages, and theoretical paradigms which lead to significant distortion. Not only this, but surely it must be admitted that a complete and comprehensive account of explanation for anything at all is simply not cognoscible! The explanandum and explanans are both infinite whereas our minds are simply finite.
And, despite this, you demand from our inherently flawed selves these inherently flawed casuistries for votes with a brazen foolishness that knows no limit (or perhaps they are sought with a cognizant malevolence? :inquisitive:)!
Whatever the case may be, I am quite certain you need to be killed off. In fact, I will now make it my primary goal of this game to do so. :knight
Loki is Heimdall's nemesis, and Heimdall has a personal goal to duel Loki and kill him. In Midgard I, I was Loki (with ABSOLUTELY NO POWERS THANKS SIGURD :mean:) and my role PM specifically stated that someone was after me. And lo and behold, as soon as I reveal Seamus reveals himself and duels me. His duel takes priority over all other duels, and he barely beats me by the slimmest of margins because I was caught eying a princess who was 1 million times better looking than Gyda.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Things might have changed in this game, namely I believe Loki has real powers now, and that might be why he's been an extreme disappointment in the game, and chooses to hide.
There's no question that Heimdall is a good guy and valuable for the town with his investigations. Someone said Loki was "evil" before and I take issue with that because if you examine the other Norse gods behavior, they are all pretty bad guys from out moral standards, but Heimdall is the best of them.
Town networking can be hugely successful in some games (Like Buffyverse where it was basically super imbalanced to the town to begin with), but it can be a liability here where you undoubtedly have given cover PMs. I think GH is trying to make the case against the latter, though I'm not sure why he hates it so much. Bad experience?Quote:
Point of order, what exactly is wrong about advocating against networking?
Thanks for the info, I knew there had been some issue with Loki in the first game, but in game two he was just a straight pro-town role. It looks like Loki has never been scum in he previous incarnations of this series, despite his canon reputation for mischief.Quote:
Originally Posted by n0rg3 Roink
It was my impression that he's been generally anti-network for a long time, though I admit I haven't been in a game with him for a while. Anti-network GH is default GH as far as I am concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by n0rg3 Roink
Reading over the writeup, this seems correct; There is some confusion at first, but it has no relation to the Kagemusha-Glyphz switch.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
In Game 1, Loki was allowed to choose which side he wanted to be on, Town or Jotun (I choose Jotun).Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
I'm not sure that this choice existed in Game 2, I know glyphz played it protown. Whether that was a choice or a given role, you know better than me.
I think Sigurd is drawing more on Midgard 2 this "classic" style game, and I believe that mainly because the holmgang scores are game 2 style rather than game 1 where humans had a chance to defeat gods. But then again, the Heimdall looking for Loki hails from game 1, did this also exist in game 2?
He could very well have made a "mix" of the two games for this anniversary. I think we're going down the wrong route by trying to figure out things by comparing them to the first two games in the series. There is no guarantee that it's not completely different this time around.
Another thing: I'm not an expert on norse mythology but aren't the Jotun supposed to be ice giants? What's with all the fire in N0 and N1 killings?
I have no idea if Loki had a choice in game 2. glyphz claimed he was pure pro-town, but that was in-game and I don't remember if there was any post-game confirmation of that claim.Quote:
Originally Posted by n0rg3 Roink
Heimdall was not in game 2. There, the gods were Odin, Thor, and Loki. However, there was a Christian faction which I think was at odds with the Gods as well in some manner (while still being pro-town). That may have served the same 'town in-fighting' purposes that the Loki/Heimdall thing did in game 1.
I don't know if all Jotun necessarily correspond to any particular element, but there are at least two different kinds of elemental Jotun: Frost Giants (who reside in Niflheim) and Fire Giants (who reside in Muspelheim).Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
There's a separate thread for the holmgang write-ups now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamondeye
I didn't actually reveal my role, though, which seemed a bit extreme. It's one thing to say "I'm important and should stay alive" and another to say "I'm an Aesir and here's my character info".Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Anyone have a tally?
Voting for Khazaar based on his lurking translating into possibly being someone who killed Seamus is just odd reasoning, and the discourse between GH and pizza isn't sufficient to form a decent conclusion yet IMO, so lets see what barking up this tree yields.
Vote: Khaan
There ya go:
issaikhaan: 4 (B_Ray, Renata, Diamondeye, Death is yonder)
khazaar: 2 (WhiteEyes, GeneralHankerchief)
GeneralHankerchief: 2 (TheLastDays, Askthepizzaguy)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (Chaotix)
n0rg3 Roink: 1 (Believer)
Woads&Fangs: 1 (autolycus)
Chaotix: 1 (Thefluffyone93)
Andres: 1 (Nightbringer)
Abstain: 2 (n0rg3 Roink, Andres)
I've got to go run some errands. Should be back later to change my vote, but just in case...
Vote: ATPG
Something about his exchange with GH seemed off to me. It had a whiff of intentional exaggeration about it.
Hrm...
Keeping my vote atm to preserve this tie.
I think Reenk is Loki.
Which tie are you talking about? khaan is in the lead with 4 votes
This seems very obvious and likely from basic reading and it's in the writeups, so yes, it should be true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
The lead from the last night is being a bit overlooked, I'd also agree on that. Holmgang was a big deal and all the possible cases and knowledge about yesterday and classical's death, I get that that's important, just don't forget to follow up on this too. Naked-serial-killerish guy failed to kill someone, which could easily be a god or scum as why he would fail to kill a townie is unknown, and we don't know who he is nor who he attacked.
What if it's some kind of a random-ability role? A guy who can do good but might also kill someone?
The last Holmgang needs looking into. We had a challenge by W&F on glyphz. Somehow Kage replaced glyphz and died against an enemy who has a Holmgang score of at least 10, while Kage himself obviously had a 5.
In the writeup though it looks like W&F was like a bystander that stepped in and then killed Kage. So the writeup itself didn't point at any replacement done between glyphz and Kage.
Tally is off, Reenk voted for Khazaar.
khaan is also on vacation for the week and his activity will be limited.
Right.
issaikhaan: 4 (B_Ray, Renata, Diamondeye, Death is yonder)
khazaar: 3 (WhiteEyes, GeneralHankerchief, n0rg3 Roink)
GeneralHankerchief: 2 (TheLastDays, Askthepizzaguy)
Askthepizzaguy: 2 (Chaotix, TinCow)
n0rg3 Roink: 1 (Believer)
Woads&Fangs: 1 (autolycus)
Chaotix: 1 (Thefluffyone93)
Andres: 1 (Nightbringer)
Abstain: 1 (Andres)
Point of order, your honor!Quote:
Originally Posted by n0rg3 Roink
Isn't Loki destined to lead the forces of evil against the Gods on Ragnarök? If not I apologize.
Khaan's activity is pretty much always limited. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
I don't particularly care for any of these cases. I haven't played a game here in a while, but GH has always been staunchly anit-network, and since that very strategy blew up in the towns face in midgard 2, it's applicable here. Khaan and Khazaar lurking isn't really news either and I think it's a bit too early to start the "lynch the lurkers" campaign. So, I'm gonna Vote: ATPG. The fact that he's going after GH so strongly on this kinda bugs me.
My impression was that the target (Arnvid Torarinsson) was protected. I believe this based on this bit "felt especially rejuvenated but tired all the same." Note that the Arnvid appears to survive due to having a lot of energy. IIRC, the protection in Midgard 2 involved giving a player an amulet for the night. The amulet was kind of a 'buff' which temporarily increased their Holmgang score and made them immune to being killed for the night. It worked the opposite way on the Jotun, decreasing their Holmgang score and preventing them from making any attacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Earthling
No better thing then death in battle. W&F if you are what you say you are, you better re adjust your tactics, before you make worse mistakes. About my death. Im not quite sure what even the rules concerning dead players are, but with all these very strange theories, maybe people are neglecting the obvious explanation for my death. I think that so far we the town have started this game awfully and the current trend of lynching ATPG is just continuoty of that bad trend.
Also maybe with all this fire.We are not facing Jotun this time but demons fromMuspellheim the fireworld? Maybe its Surtur and his cronies we are facing this time?
What's d deal w pro town roles risking exposure w random holmgang . That just caused their demise, as wel as cost me my buddy.
vote: abstain
anyway, Im at wits end just typin this on a coworkers' phone. Don't plan on rereadimg d thread & voting on some1 til I get home. Besides,my coworker now has this impatient look, demanding her phone back.
Oh and mr. Roink... Don't drop the ball now.
Voting for me is OK, voting for me because I´m lurking is odd at the least. There are a few people who haven´t voted at all, if I would start to clean up the lurkers I would start with them because Sigurd clearly stated that Mafia will not be WOGged unlike Townies. Theres bound to be a Mafiosi under those sick/busyrl/other people. Also to presume that I would off Seamus because I don´t know that he hasn´t played in a while is really far out there as an explanation.
Vote: General Hankerchief
I guess we are well into overtime. I say we close this day.
I say, vote: Khazaar
I'm late sorry.
Stealing is very rude......Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Day 3
The tally was finally produced and the Hovgod took a look at it:
Tally:
issaikhaan : 4 (B_Ray, DiY, Diamond, Renata)
Askthepizzaguy : 3 (Chaotix, TinCow, Tratorix)
GeneralHankerchief : 3 (ATPG, Khazaar, TheLastDays)
Khazaar : 3 (GH, Reenk, WE:D)
Andres : 1 (Nightbringer)
Chaotix : 1 (Thefluff)
Reenk Roink : 1 (Beliver)
woad&fangs : 1 (autolycus)
Abstain: 2 (Andres, glyphz)
Not voting : 5 (ELITE, ‘khaan, Robbie, Romanic(late), w&f)
Interesting, it seems you are fond of choosing a particular brand of trade in your blames.
Could Gunnvald Jardarsson please step forward? A gasp could be heard from the retinue from Fjordane. A hulking man strode from their midst, steel cold eyes and a sure step. This was a renowned fighter who had served in Constantinople as a guard. Blood for blood I am afraid; The Hovgod walked slowly around Gunnvald. Any last words? Gunnvald looked at the Hovgod with steel blue eyes and then to the retinue of Fjordane. Take care of him for me will ya? The Retinue from Fjordane all accepted with a clap to their right shoulder and a vocal; Aye.
Gunnvald turned to the Hovgod, voice going rather raspy ice cold. Do your deed and give my salutations to “sorgvarsler”. The Hovgod snapped to, looking inquiringly into the ice cold eyes of Gunnvald before letting a little smirk appear. Maybe you are lucky and will find yourself at the table of our Allfather, you could bring your own salutations. And by that the Hovgod produced a sharp knife in his right hand and with a fluid motion cut deep into Gunnvald’s throat.
Gunnvald couldn’t utter another word and grabbed his throat trying to staunch the life flowing out between his fingers. Soon he lost conscience and thumped to the ground.
Was this the man responsible for the murders? The Hovgod looked out over the crowd; I think you chose badly this day. Now to business...
Challenges and PMs people
Deadline: 16:00 (4pm) US Central, 23:00 CEST, 05:00 Western Standard (AUS)
Alive:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Killed:
Seamus Fermanagh (N1)
Earthling (N1)
Csargo (N1)
Seon (N1)
Ironside (N2)
Captain Blackadder (N2)
classical_hero (N3)
Lynched:
Visorslash (D1)
Mr. Stuka (D2)
issaikhaan (D3)
Holmgang:
Major Robert Dump (H1)
Kagemusha (H2)
Good god... :no:
Looks like we lynched another champion. Brilliant.
Challenge: Renata
Very well done...
I'd like to see if your role PM was true
Challenge: Tratorix
Challenge:Diamondeye I hold both Renata and Dimondeye responsible for this.:stare:
*sigh*
Really?
Really what, Tratorix. Don't hold back, tell me whwat you really think.
:stare: :dizzy2: :furious3: :wall: :shame:Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
Yeah, me too.
I can see that no one is talking to no one. Seriously guys you need to get your at together. People should have been contacting me while I waas alive, but that did not happen and the more time spet on not talking to each other, the more chance the Jotun will win.
Well at least the king wasn't executed. :yes:
Just so you know. I blame Diamondeye and Renata most for jumping on the Khaan bandwagon to save Pizzaguy.Quote:
Originally Posted by B_Ray
But you and Death is Yonder need to be dead over yonder for helping them.:veryangry:
I really wish I could send out more then one challenge.:mean:
Helping? I cast the first vote, and didn't really expect it to pick up any steam. He'd only made two posts in the game, so I didn't see any reason not to pressure him a little. In hindsight, of course, it's quite regrettable.
I will help! Challenge: Death Is YonderQuote:
Originally Posted by White_eyes:D
nvm
:laugh4: :2thumbsup:
Tratorix I love how you mock them with your unduelable self.
You never cast a vote, without being sure your going to lynch someone....unless it's a joke vote.:grin2:Quote:
Originally Posted by B_Ray
Your making me think your a Jotun trying to stay under the radar by being in plain sight...good job if so.~:cheers:
:inquisitive: I thought it was quite common to vote for people with low heat to see how they will respond.
I've had one too many adult beverages to make a better response at the moment, but you're second comment doesn't make any sense. Nice smiley, though! ~:cheers:
Not really, Khaan is on vacation. I doubt he would go to his lynch without voting for someone.:brood:
Your giving off a "trying too hard to look like a townie" vibe. Try doing something about it.:bow:
Well how was I supposed to know he's only vacation? Regardless, he could of been Jotun. And I'll look like a townie all I want.
Vote: classical_heroQuote:
Originally Posted by classical_hero
Guess you missed that, huh?:smartass:Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief on Khaan
Remember - this is night phase. No need to vote. Only challenges are accepted at this time. Yeah, and Night activity PMs.
These rounds are so short. I could have stopped that one if I hadn't been afk. I found out Khaan was a champion yesterday when he was put up as a possible lynch to save classical_hero, and that's why I didn't press for khaan after that.
It's possible one of those who wagoned khaan also knew about it, and did it deliberately.
For the record, Loki was indeed specifically pro-town in Midgard II.
I thought at first Loki would return as pro-town again, but not anymore. Heimdall's return, plus his intention to challenge Loki gives me pause to believe Loki may not necessarily be pro-town this game.
Challenge: TratorixQuote:
Originally Posted by Tratorix
I stuck my neck out for you for no reason, after I said I wasn't going to bother, simply because I thought lynching you because you were not classical_hero was a terrible idea.
Now I find you trying to kill me. At least do it honorably, on the field of battle, you TRAITOR-IX!
Your aware he can't be dueled, right?:book:
No, I wasn't. Someone point me to where this was made public.Quote:
Originally Posted by White_eyes:D
Well I plead guilty to being (perpetually) busy and semi-lazy but nothing else :embarassed:Quote:
Originally Posted by White_eyes:D
Pizza does seem to be trying a bit too hard to be unpredictable but hey, its something that I thought he does whatever his alignment.
In any case, challenging me will only impede overall progress, and with the game's clearly demonstrated (N1) capacity for high amount of kills, I don't think that wantonly challenging is going to serve the town's end more than the Jotun's. Or at least while challenges are still flowing left right center on a whim.
It has been mentioned somewhere that the Gods are possibly neutral which might have gotten in the way of that (not too sure about the timing of that statement in relation to your death though), of course you can't confirm that, but perhaps Heimdall is a viable alternative?Quote:
I can see that no one is talking to no one. Seriously guys you need to get your at together.
I'm trying a bit too hard to do something, and I'm failing miserably at it.
Knowing who a lot of these power players are isn't doing a darned thing to keep them alive. Trying to save them just exposes them further.
The alternative, just allowing them to die, is no better as it doesn't lynch any Jotun.
Overall very frustrating in general. I blame the hankerchief.
Anyone we speaks against duels is just scummy as can be. Duels only kill one person and not everyone involved.:stare:
Loki was killed by a duel in the first Midgard after all. Death is Yonder is now on the top of my "Must duel" list.
Well excuse me for not being around at the time and not having read through the threads :tongue:
I'm saying that with the already present capacity for high kill rates, wantonly dishing out challenges as opposed to lets say, agreement on which suspects should be duking it out is not very helpful.
I honestly don't see the problem with that statement :shrug:
Keep in mind that challenges against Jotun are probably not going to kill them unless youre a god yourself.
I'm not sure what the best strategy is for challenging, in the "trying to solve the game" sense. Cannon fodder roles might do challenges as a feeler, and then we just lynch whoever comes up as Jotun-level strength.
Come to think of it, why wouldn't the Jotun just claim a God? Are we going to lynch all the gods?
I'm tired and these questions are not going to make me sound any more innocent. Oh well.
You've seemed rather jumpy at me for the entire game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I hope you have some kind of power role which justifies how off you're behaving. If not scum, then at least be a god or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
I'm sure the little network which you were so reluctant to join will be able to find out all about me soon enough. :laugh4:
But in all seriousness, I've settled into my roles for this game, one of which is quite familiar. The first one is the town's Cassandra, a thankless role I admit, but personally satisfying. The other is your convenient little bogeyman, an entirely nonthreatening figure but because I'm not marching in lockstep with everybody else means I'm Threat #1 To The Safety And Sanctity Of The Town.