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damn everyone started dropping spicy posts as i have to go into work

i see your posts: @ arcy / waza / ladd (re: dya)

ill think as i sit in traffic

the sunbae reads in general are most interesting to me

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Originally Posted by Visor

This is a Wolfy post

Not because he is pushing me, but because of his framing of the stett push

I don't think anyone has said my push on stett didn't feel great

There are people who don't agree with the dead, sure and find stett villagery

But no one is actually out here saying those things about my read re stett (unless I've forgotten something)

The hedge on ender is meh too, but the phrasing around stett being slimy is what is problematic here

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the post before this was lissa basically shutting down your read because that's just how stett plays

now.. she probably wasn't explicitly calling it wolfy because you may not be aware of that meta, but it was still implying that the push was not good

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Originally Posted by Arctic

the post before this was lissa basically shutting down your read because that's just how stett plays

now.. she probably wasn't explicitly calling it wolfy because you may not be aware of that meta, but it was still implying that the push was not good

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i don't think its fair to conflate lissa's post wherein she explains a meta read to visor as calling visor's push "not good"

at least not in the sense that you are sorta doing the legwork to call it wolfy on lissa's behalf

this is another nitpicky thing but i think this matters tbh

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Originally Posted by Lissa

ben



yeah it is I just kind of already have too many villagers lmao



hm fair enough ig



yeah ultimately I think the type of confusing/weird stuff she has done isn't really a kind of weird that makes her a wolf or makes really much of ANY sense for her to actually do as a wolf


it is possible I am giving the waza/stett stuff too much weight re: annika

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Are you talking about this post?

i do find it weird that I'm the person closest to arctic's reads and not wanting annika/taffy wagons particularly, but I'm also in his POE. this is NAI for him I think but it's interesting.

Ben, do you think sunbae's tone is ok or that I'm out there with that read

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Originally Posted by Lissa

I feel like that's just kinda how stett enters games though?

(also funny/weird and extremely tangential but getting a bunch of free townreads at the start of the mash that I realized were basically because normally I come into the thread like several hours after sod and post like it's sod and I didn't there because I spent an hour posting at sod was kinda like... it really made me want to alter my approach to start of games lol. just in general I've been thinking about like how to start actually getting nightkilled as a villager too and just generally my approach to earlygame as well as some other aspects of villaging. and idk how to do it regularly cause the mash problem is I kinda NEED that sod-y posting to get into the flow of the game but getting early townreads like that was soooo nice??)

(also I think it was basically impossible for you to ever find me mid d1-d3 the way that game played out with you getting railroaded for bad reasons, it made it insanely easy for me to post good about it because it was all real thoughts lol)


visor seems villagery



this read is kind of just like

it's presented in a more village visor sort of way imo

the specific way it meanders a bit and the layers of it

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I was talking about this one

also @dya i don't really think you are a wolf, i just have more of a reason to townread the others. i liked annika's reason to townread you and i'm kinda thinking similarly - the way you went back and forth on her/taffy. but it's not enough to move the needle rn

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Originally Posted by Arctic

I was talking about this one

also @dya i don't really think you are a wolf, i just have more of a reason to townread the others. i liked annika's reason to townread you and i'm kinda thinking similarly - the way you went back and forth on her/taffy. but it's not enough to move the needle rn

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I mean that's a disagreement on the basis of a read in a post in which she says she thinks I am a villager lol

The basis doesn't work for the way she approaches the game but we are different people

"and people even recognize that his push on stett didn't feel great which is the main thing i'm suspicious of"

So people is just Lissa
Didn't feel great is: disagree with basis but still think is a villager

That's the read?

Random aside but I don't know why arctic lumped maple in that grouping earlier, yes people don't have strong reads on maple but she's not actively being targeted

Just felt a touch strange

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Originally Posted by dyachei

i do find it weird that I'm the person closest to arctic's reads and not wanting annika/taffy wagons particularly, but I'm also in his POE. this is NAI for him I think but it's interesting.

Ben, do you think sunbae's tone is ok or that I'm out there with that read

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49th post for me

tonally I think he's fine, but i think that's one of his better attributes so I'm not the best person to ask. i do think sus on him is fair, especially in a world where the 'consensus' poe that has formed is a bit off, i'd ask you this instead: without regard for tone, what in his posting have you seen that would make you doubt if he's town?


The answer for me is something along the lines of:

1) his post about never having this happen when he's a wolf. waza explained the read better than I can in his large post, i very much agreed with that as I skimmed it. that felt off to me, if you want to call that a 'tone' thing then sure, but to me that's content.

2) his interjection with annika about being careful of happy cause his stett read/reversal was a play that's in his wolf range. i've talked about this on the annika side and why i thought her RESPONSE to that post was wolfy, but I also think it was a kinda wolfy thing to post @ annika in its own right

3) his post @ lissa about not needing to re-evaluate or reconsider things on day 1. this is a weak one, cause tis very much in his town wheelhouse to be that supportive townie who pushes others to believe in themselves, but that one also felt kind of off to me, because lissa was literally saying she townread everyone in the game and had 0 wolf reads. she definitely needed to re-eval something. and sunbae's post to that came off a bit "dont worry about it, everythings fine.gif"

feel free to bounce around with these posts but also tell me what other posts stand out to you? i won't be able to reply but ill be reading as i can

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

49th post for me

tonally I think he's fine, but i think that's one of his better attributes so I'm not the best person to ask. i do think sus on him is fair, especially in a world where the 'consensus' poe that has formed is a bit off, i'd ask you this instead: without regard for tone, what in his posting have you seen that would make you doubt if he's town?


The answer for me is something along the lines of:

1) his post about never having this happen when he's a wolf. waza explained the read better than I can in his large post, i very much agreed with that as I skimmed it. that felt off to me, if you want to call that a 'tone' thing then sure, but to me that's content.

2) his interjection with annika about being careful of happy cause his stett read/reversal was a play that's in his wolf range. i've talked about this on the annika side and why i thought her RESPONSE to that post was wolfy, but I also think it was a kinda wolfy thing to post @ annika in its own right

3) his post @ lissa about not needing to re-evaluate or reconsider things on day 1. this is a weak one, cause tis very much in his town wheelhouse to be that supportive townie who pushes others to believe in themselves, but that one also felt kind of off to me, because lissa was literally saying she townread everyone in the game and had 0 wolf reads. she definitely needed to re-eval something. and sunbae's post to that came off a bit "dont worry about it, everythings fine.gif"

feel free to bounce around with these posts but also tell me what other posts stand out to you? i won't be able to reply but ill be reading as i can

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i mean, I do attribute 1 and 3 to tone a bit. His solving also feels off to me, which i think I expressed.

(don't feel required to respond to this btw, just want my thoughts out there)

I don't have specific posts, it's like his entire body of work is weak for sunbae. I'm used to him diving in more

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Originally Posted by Arctic

ugh I am not at all a fan of me/maple/annika being thrown around as the poe when I think this is easily 0 wolves

normally I'd wolfread someone who talks a lot about their process in place of utilising said process, but i think given Maple's existential crisis in mafia (as benneh described earlier) - i think it tracks, and, quoting from waza too, he feels kinda lost in a villagery way and struggling to make stances in a way that wolf him wouldn't be here given the discussion we related to about how wolfing is a lot easier

annika i could be wrong on but i think her push on benneh just sounds like. she is a girlboss and knows she is town. idk. i'm aware girlbossing is a staple of her wolf game, but it didn't.. really feel like a cat scrambling around kinda defence. i think she believes it. i think she can easily defer to Taffy or me as a wolf here but maple is a kinda novel push here (even tho i think it's wrong) which i'd give points to

i'm trying to put words to two reads which are inherently intuitive so i understand if this doesn't convince anyone, but it's how i feel so >.<

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Fwiw re sunbae I didn't like his post re ender in part due to the lack of full stop at the end (and the vibe of the thing)

Felt like wolf sunbae joke tone

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Originally Posted by Arctic

...wdym it's not opportunistic?? i squinted hard at that lmao. like this take feels so silly to me. it's the type of read that you'd look at in post game and go "how was i so silly to townread a wolf for that". i'm kinda dumbfounded by this. i don't know if it's wilful ignorance but like. i think you're pushing villagers and townreading wolves

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you seem townie on this page/next page

I’m curious why you feel so confidently about Maple eheh
unvote: Maple

also yeah I’m aware that could be a silly TR on Visor i guess

Dya seems okay to me

Vote: Sunbae

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50 for me -- no idea if ill stick on sunbae but its more fun if we do a science experiment while i'm capped

town (hopefully 0 wolves)
nebjiamn
didistetter
pzelda
waza

towny feels, but could be a wolf here
Visor
dyachei

sliiight town but some concerns
Lissa - i had lissa in a higher tier but some of waza's points actually had me drop her down a bit, there was also just something about how she joined me on annika that felt weird (stett too, but i feel a lot better about stett in comparison)
Arctic - ive liked most of his recent posting even if i don't agree with all of it

null cause 0 posting
Raskolnikov

nullish cause having trouble grasping a read
ladd - would not kill
Maple
Ender - would probably not kill? enough people seem to be TRing him that it feels bad

concern pile
Sunbae
Taffy - this isn't a sheep of ladd (in a sense) -- i re-read their posting last night and decided it did fit in with what ladd and visor were describing and the only reason i tr'd her before was because of some meta assumptions that are incorrect
annika


i don't think all 3 wolves are in my bottom 6 ... probably, well, idk, maybe. i guess i mean i wouldnt be surprised if this list is way off, but this is how i'm viewing the game atm

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Originally Posted by Maple

I don't think you've really talked about me at all, really. What are you feeling?

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this is gonna be an unsatisfying answer but it’s mostly a PoE vote—I townread a lot of other people

your posting is actually fine, just nothing stood out to me as explicitly villagery. well I guess a minor thing is, you talked about being dissatisfied with your town game before anything had really happened which seemed a little off bc…well nothing has gone wrong yet! but I understand that might not be valid and tou could be a townie just voicing general concern without any context in this game

I’m more interested in why Arcy is hard TRing you tbh

I really hate doing this because I love playing with Sunbae

Vote: Sunbae

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Originally Posted by Arctic

if i had a nickel... lmao

but yea. i knew it was uncharitable since u hadn't found anything u believed in yet and i said as such, which is why i'm not super onto your case rn. if this is the one you're gonna choose to believe in then it's not gonna help me much either, though, lol. that post was more of a "idk how to read ender and if i reached maaaybe this is wolfy" but im not gung ho about killing you particularly (i'll just let it happen when you get voted at eod :3)

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I'm just coming back to this and honestly like still don't like it. He was basically shading my approach while qualifying it with "Idk if I'm being uncharitable" (he was) and then when called out by me he was like "Yeah I knew it was uncharitable".

Like? If you know a read is uncharitable (and therefore probably not the most likely to have accuracy joined hand in hand in holy matrimony) why make the read? It basically throws unclear and useless information into the field of play.

Someone is gonna have to prybar me off this vote today unless I see something even worse.

Also as much as Benneh being on my case (again) is annoying it's not ~wolfy of em.

I'm pending more town on his play there so far.

Zelda is town because they are normally a wet noodle as wolf. (Sorry) They are noodling in a dry and solid manner so far as I've read.

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

I quite look forward to another game of Ender and I never being in the thread at the same time despite just wanting to shoot the shit back and forth trying to pocket or sus each other. Time zones why

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The tragedy doth write itself.

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Originally Posted by Lissa

just pulled up playerlist to kinda look at the whole picture

rask ?? no posts, ladd maybe v? visor v, stett v, sunbae kinda v?, ben probably v, maple ????? gth v, arctic idk kinda light v, waza v, taffy v, ender ?, annika v, dya ?? no posts, pzelda v

lol

think I gotta go back to the drawing board somewhere in here

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Lissa gets to be sus because after all that review to come out with a "Oops all towrneads" feels kinda bad.

I guess this read gets to be blunted slightly by self-awareness from Lissa.

I still won't lock Maple but I think there's enough of a thought that makes sense behind the whirlwind of self remonstration about towngame that I'm willing to give a pass for now.

Problem is that it's the kind of thing that could be real and not fake but still come from a wolf so shrug.

I'm gonna say that Visor's contributions have felt in Visor town towan so I'll take that as town for now.

Ok, I'm on a bus for next 14 hours. That means I have time to read and post. Also, I'm on my phone and this site is 't phone friendly. I'm going to reread the thread first and maybe react to some comments. Don't expect walls of quotes from me. I also find the arctic's return spicy, because that player isn't towny IMHO. I wouldn't mind taffy/arctic wagons rn, but returning to taffy's posts first might be a good idea.
Some other initial thoughts. I like Bennet's posts more than waza's now. In some of them I could spot what seemed to be a genuine thought process. I quite like Lissa and Day now. I have the slightest townlean on Ender for their posts being blunt. It's like Ender doesn't really care about getting wolfread. Stett doesn't feel so good to me, but I'm willing to sheep Ladd on them for now. I'm also intrigued by sunbae wolf leans.

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Originally Posted by Visor

Fwiw re sunbae I didn't like his post re ender in part due to the lack of full stop at the end (and the vibe of the thing)

Felt like wolf sunbae joke tone

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I dont get it tbh

Everything sunbae has posted so far feels normal sunbae things, so i am kinda confused by how much hate he is getting

This post has like a 20% chance of looking silly later itg but ya. Do people expect to see hyper active/solving sunbae from year ago? Caus eimo his posting is pretty in line with his last org games as a villager

Also idk if benneh knows postcap is not lifted at eod so he is stuck with that vote i think (dont quote me on that)


See ya in dvc. Gg

Reading the first pages again I notice more nuance and some posts I skimmed over. That means:
1. Lissa had a towny second post
2. Mantis is towny enough tbh
3. Anima's interactions are kinda meh and I'm starting to see Ben's point of view.
5. And tbh I also see why some people dislike Sunbae. The first post was a shade and they were mostly joining on friendly convo later on.
6. Not super keen on waza not being a fan of a chill game.
7. I find Stett's reentrance on page 4 mildly towny.
8. I feel better about taffy tbh. I wouldn't call them town but I don't want to vote them anymore.
9. Waza's comment "why are you questioning someone I find towny" doesn't sit well with me
10. Visor kind of getting free town reads for townreading
11. Waza prolly town (around page 6). It looks like he genuinely enjoyed being in the thread posting and taking stances.
12. I want to reread taffy again because of Ladd's take and Visor agreeing.
13. Eight pages in I could se Annika/Sunbae/Arctic

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Originally Posted by annika

lying wolf spotted

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Weird interaction

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Originally Posted by Arctic

I should probably make this post after my next one, but i don't think either of these are particularly reliable. i think you are getting caught up a bit in how you fit into the narrative here and it's clouding your judgement. you don't really know if visor plays the same way as you do as a wolf, nor do you know he would have a burning desire to prove himself if he randed wolf again. he could be dejected from randing wolf yet again in an org game lol, who knows. i think these are unsafe assumptions. and there wasn't really much momentum against you at all - it was just stett, so ya i don't really see it

in fact i guess i may as well just explain it while i'm here rather than my next post, but visor is my biggest suspect atm. i think he navigated a lot of the early discourse in a wolfy/hands off way. i particularly don't like his posts about stett. i don't think he is really trying to address any issues he has with her play and it instead feels like sewing seeds of doubt by egging on discussions waza and benneh had about potentially suspicious things she did, and he just responded by calling it wolfy or whatever. the actual meat felt, not great too - like "her opener felt like lissa's in the anon game where she was as wolf" - okay, sure, i just find that wolves tend to make random comparisons like this more often when in reality it's pretty detached from the circumstances of this game. just feels meh to me. read on annika is fine but comes across in a way that feels like he's trying to look villagery, not really holding this bit against him, it's mainly the stett treatment that i don't like

as for stett herself, i'm not really sure yet, tonally i think this is her town game even though i don't.. really see eye to eye with her rn but i'm willing to let that cook. i do think waza is the most obvious villager itg and that is her biggest push so. uh. yea. i hope she sees the light. if i'm right about that, anyway

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I strongly dislike this post. There's so much dirt and the wolves tend is just howling IMHO.

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Originally Posted by Arctic

I honestly dunno how you read Ender. Feels like every game he marches to the beat of his own drum and a lot of it is shitposting. I benefited from it last game I played with him where I was wolfing against him and he got voted out on day 2. But I feel like his shitposting had a different flavor there. Or at least it was accompanied by some form of read that I felt like he believed in. I remember he scumread the guy everyone consensus townread on day 1. I dunno if it's uncharitable to make a comparison like this to this game, cuz there are just. no real reads yet. or a tleast nothing i get the impression he seriously believes in

on a micro level, the only thing that pinged me was the way he spoke about ladd - "i townread ladd, idk what to do about this" i think it was, that last part just seems like smth a wolf says to make it seem like they're conscious of the fact they're townreading someone too early, but a villa would be more.. concerned about the implication of this on their read, like whether or not they should have it, or qualifying how sure they are about it, etc.

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More meta, vague sand generic notes and more of shading tbh

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Originally Posted by ladd

I dont get it tbh

Everything sunbae has posted so far feels normal sunbae things, so i am kinda confused by how much hate he is getting

This post has like a 20% chance of looking silly later itg but ya. Do people expect to see hyper active/solving sunbae from year ago? Caus eimo his posting is pretty in line with his last org games as a villager

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I don't feel super compelled to kill him (I won't be voting him today most likely)

I am just noting a thought

I'd be more down to kill stett, arctic, taffy, Annika

Where are you at rn ladd

I admit this looks bad, but I want to vote either Arctic or Sunbae now.

Vote: Arctic

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Originally Posted by Visor

Where are you at rn ladd

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I lean town, but they also feel like they're holding back.Benneh is a more likely N1 kill.

I had a dream that I was in Japan and it was snowing and everyone was skating down the sidewalk and I had to turn around but I couldn't because I didn't want to get in anyone's way

Also inexplicably stett and Michelle were there, so this is probably evidence of continued mashbrain

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Originally Posted by ladd

Taffy opened last game as a wolf by going after the 2 most villa read player itg so if people are v reading them for going after benneh - well i wouldnt

Their read on benneh i still dont like tbh

Just my 2 cents tho

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I guess you're asking because of this?

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Originally Posted by ladd

I dont get it tbh

Everything sunbae has posted so far feels normal sunbae things, so i am kinda confused by how much hate he is getting

This post has like a 20% chance of looking silly later itg but ya. Do people expect to see hyper active/solving sunbae from year ago? Caus eimo his posting is pretty in line with his last org games as a villager

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nah i kinda figured this game would go this way. it was my mistake for signing up for a mafia game when i do not care about mafia (i just wanted to vibe with the playerlist)

best of luck to yall, wont be back today. reads are pretty similar as they were earlier

Vote: Arctic

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Originally Posted by Arctic

i don't really think annika is a wolf and i don't think taffy is either

i really don't like the direction this game is going in

i may be lacking because i want to be more of a support player and just go along with whatever people are doing, but i feel myself getting pulled back into my incessant need to take charge because i think wolves are easily in people like ladd/visor (ladd dropped a poe which, taking out the 0 posters, i think has a good chance of having 0-1 wolves) and maybe you/annika (but i kinda think you are v/v). and i'm torn on whether or not to act on those feelings because if i'm wrong i don't want to completely derail the game, but it's getting increasingly hard to just sit on my hands here

i also think annika posted a team which is 0/3 unless you're a wolf - i really don't think it's maple - so i'm not sure what to do with that. but her posts just sound honest to me. i don't really think it's her.

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This reads kind of genuine.

actually vote: dyachei

but they are both probs woofs

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

Vote: Sunbae

:book2:

50 for me -- no idea if ill stick on sunbae but its more fun if we do a science experiment while i'm capped

town (hopefully 0 wolves)
nebjiamn
didistetter
pzelda
waza

towny feels, but could be a wolf here
Visor
dyachei

sliiight town but some concerns
Lissa - i had lissa in a higher tier but some of waza's points actually had me drop her down a bit, there was also just something about how she joined me on annika that felt weird (stett too, but i feel a lot better about stett in comparison)
Arctic - ive liked most of his recent posting even if i don't agree with all of it

null cause 0 posting
Raskolnikov

nullish cause having trouble grasping a read
ladd - would not kill
Maple
Ender - would probably not kill? enough people seem to be TRing him that it feels bad

concern pile
Sunbae
Taffy - this isn't a sheep of ladd (in a sense) -- i re-read their posting last night and decided it did fit in with what ladd and visor were describing and the only reason i tr'd her before was because of some meta assumptions that are incorrect
annika


i don't think all 3 wolves are in my bottom 6 ... probably, well, idk, maybe. i guess i mean i wouldnt be surprised if this list is way off, but this is how i'm viewing the game atm

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Ladd wolf is interesting.
Ben having taffy so low makes double guess myself again. Annika feels like the most consistent and confident read.
Ender and Arctic reads are also something to think about. Yeah, I also kind of like arctic's later posts, but the earlier ones are just bad IMHO. I'm not sure if I should vote them or not now. I guess I want to see even more posts from then. The ender take feels a little bit lazy but valid.
Also I locked Benneh town.

The thing with evil ender is - would he jump on Arctic for Wolfy posts about Visor? Totally.

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

I'm just coming back to this and honestly like still don't like it. He was basically shading my approach while qualifying it with "Idk if I'm being uncharitable" (he was) and then when called out by me he was like "Yeah I knew it was uncharitable".

Like? If you know a read is uncharitable (and therefore probably not the most likely to have accuracy joined hand in hand in holy matrimony) why make the read? It basically throws unclear and useless information into the field of play.

Someone is gonna have to prybar me off this vote today unless I see something even worse.

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Because this isn't a good post.

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

actually vote: dyachei

but they are both probs woofs

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Bad vote tbh

ladd, it's not the amount of solving, it's the quality of it

and tbh, sunbae, if I were a wolf I def wouldn't be voting you d1. I appreciate you too much

Ok I'm at Annika/Sunbae/Ender/Taffy/Ladd for the bottom five actually. I don't want to vote Ladd and I have mixed feelings about Taffy. With Annika and Ender I might be sleeping Benneh to much atm. Sunbea just dropped a rather bad vote. Day v btw.

Vote: Sunbae

I will try to explain moves in my reads after a short break.

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Originally Posted by pzelda

Ok I'm at Annika/Sunbae/Ender/Taffy/Ladd for the bottom five actually. I don't want to vote Ladd and I have mixed feelings about Taffy. With Annika and Ender I might be sleeping Benneh to much atm. Sunbea just dropped a rather bad vote. Day v btw.

Vote: Sunbae

I will try to explain moves in my reads after a short break.

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i would read him and see if you agree because the vote feels like a frustrated omgus with me

Dya wya on taffy stett Annika and arctic

We should go back to taffy

Imo

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Originally Posted by ladd

We should go back to taffy

Imo

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I still don’t thinm it’s Taffy
can I get your read on Maple? sorry if youve mentioned it somewhere, I’m on mobile
@Visor @pzelda you too

Hi all, who's here?

I have two pings which I'll get to first :heart:

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Originally Posted by dyachei

i would read him and see if you agree because the vote feels like a frustrated omgus with me

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His or mine?

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Originally Posted by dyachei

i would read him and see if you agree because the vote feels like a frustrated omgus with me

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Nah it's not OMGUS. It's "I find it strange for town dya to pile on me for the high crime of not being up to date with the current MU game schedule without ever digging into my posts, talking to people about me, or trying to talk to me themselves". Additionally, I think your catch up posts about Taffy read as someone who felt they needed to talk about Taffy rather than someone who had thoughts on Taffy. Next, I thought your posts to Annika read as a wolf trying to coax a villager into adjusting reads (specifically the line about needing to move Ben up but you don't know why). Essentially, I find villager you had their own path through the game and in this game you are tentative and read like you're trying to settle in the thread.

As an aside, I feel like Arctics post about "HMMM isnt it strange how you have a visor as a concern but aren't being worried that others dont" towards me is nonsensical and is the main reason I voted Arctic first.

That's why I voted you two. I don't know what to make of Wazas post (I find it to be one of the sillier reasons I've been voted but maybe he believes it) but the fact that I voted you who people have no problems with and not Waza who people have shaded now and again should be evidence that it's not OMGUS because if it was it'd be directed at Waza. I also don't know what to make of Benneh voting me for that reason. Seems like something he'd eye roll at and not jump on.

Anyways, my current vibe has 2 wolves in <you, arctic, taffy, ender> and I'm pretty happy with it. Could I be on the wrong end? Sure! It's day 1 I ain't perfect.


Now, I really do have to split and will likely not be back. If this is it then lol,lmao, gl i guess. If not I'll see yall in a couple days

I forgot this site deletes carrots lmao

its 2 wolves in dya, arctic, taffy, and ender

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Originally Posted by annika

I still don’t thinm it’s Taffy
can I get your read on Maple? sorry if youve mentioned it somewhere, I’m on mobile
@Visor @pzelda you too

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It's very thin. I think I more want to town lean them him I actually do. I also almost keep forgetting about him despite him being a top poster. That's not a good look. His posts don't progress the game and I don't know his reads. Actually, that might be a wolf tell.

fwiw i think there should be 0 wolves in didi, ladd, pzelda, and lissa

fingers crossed

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

Nah it's not OMGUS. It's "I find it strange for town dya to pile on me for the high crime of not being up to date with the current MU game schedule without ever digging into my posts, talking to people about me, or trying to talk to me themselves". Additionally, I think your catch up posts about Taffy read as someone who felt they needed to talk about Taffy rather than someone who had thoughts on Taffy. Next, I thought your posts to Annika read as a wolf trying to coax a villager into adjusting reads (specifically the line about needing to move Ben up but you don't know why). Essentially, I find villager you had their own path through the game and in this game you are tentative and read like you're trying to settle in the thread.

As an aside, I feel like Arctics post about "HMMM isnt it strange how you have a visor as a concern but aren't being worried that others dont" towards me is nonsensical and is the main reason I voted Arctic first.

That's why I voted you two. I don't know what to make of Wazas post (I find it to be one of the sillier reasons I've been voted but maybe he believes it) but the fact that I voted you who people have no problems with and not Waza who people have shaded now and again should be evidence that it's not OMGUS because if it was it'd be directed at Waza. I also don't know what to make of Benneh voting me for that reason. Seems like something he'd eye roll at and not jump on.

Anyways, my current vibe has 2 wolves in <you, arctic, taffy, ender> and I'm pretty happy with it. Could I be on the wrong end? Sure! It's day 1 I ain't perfect.


Now, I really do have to split and will likely not be back. If this is it then lol,lmao, gl i guess. If not I'll see yall in a couple days

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Sun why so defensive? Tell us more about your dya take. Because this is about her calling your vote omg us and not about why it's a good vote and why it should be followed.

Sunbaes can you talk to me about stett

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

fwiw i think there should be 0 wolves in didi, ladd, pzelda, and lissa

fingers crossed

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This feels like Bae is dying, flipping red and this is his legacy for his deep partner to lead us astray.

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Originally Posted by Visor

Dya wya on taffy stett Annika and arctic

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annika prob v i think. Stett def v. idk on taffy and I suck at reading arctic so I try not to

I do think his reads list is at odds with a lot of the thread though

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

Nah it's not OMGUS. It's "I find it strange for town dya to pile on me for the high crime of not being up to date with the current MU game schedule without ever digging into my posts, talking to people about me, or trying to talk to me themselves". Additionally, I think your catch up posts about Taffy read as someone who felt they needed to talk about Taffy rather than someone who had thoughts on Taffy. Next, I thought your posts to Annika read as a wolf trying to coax a villager into adjusting reads (specifically the line about needing to move Ben up but you don't know why). Essentially, I find villager you had their own path through the game and in this game you are tentative and read like you're trying to settle in the thread.

As an aside, I feel like Arctics post about "HMMM isnt it strange how you have a visor as a concern but aren't being worried that others dont" towards me is nonsensical and is the main reason I voted Arctic first.

That's why I voted you two. I don't know what to make of Wazas post (I find it to be one of the sillier reasons I've been voted but maybe he believes it) but the fact that I voted you who people have no problems with and not Waza who people have shaded now and again should be evidence that it's not OMGUS because if it was it'd be directed at Waza. I also don't know what to make of Benneh voting me for that reason. Seems like something he'd eye roll at and not jump on.

Anyways, my current vibe has 2 wolves in <you, arctic, taffy, ender> and I'm pretty happy with it. Could I be on the wrong end? Sure! It's day 1 I ain't perfect.


Now, I really do have to split and will likely not be back. If this is it then lol,lmao, gl i guess. If not I'll see yall in a couple days

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sorry, this is how I talk to annika, she can confirm for you. I turbo with her a decent bit and we have a good relationship. Note that I did it wrt you as well with pzelda just now. I wanted him to make his own independent read. With Annika, I'm absolutely willing to have a back and forth on ben if she wants it. A lot of it is that ben's energy and solving is more in his villa mode. He's also been concerned with several players but not forcing his viewpoint

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Originally Posted by didistetter

@Totally not Taffy can you talk to me about what your thought process was behind the benneh read? imo, this isn't a "call out" but is ben trying to understand annika's mindset. What about this makes you think: "he's annoyed town are finding each other" instead of "he's trying to understand annika's motivations?"

Also you spend this post mostly just talking about ben, without really carring about the people he's discussing or prodding.

I'm curious—now that day has progressed and ben's actively voting there, what are your thoughts on annika? on her entrace and treatment of waza?

You say benneh is annoyed, but all your posts except this one and the sunbae shade express some form of frustration or annoyance, including annoyance at ben for having "zero chill at SoD".

tldr how is any of what you're citing as reason to vote ben wolfy?

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So

• Benneh was really active at SoD, I think almost half of the first 20 posts were his
• What I meant with him having no chill is that not only does he make a lot of posts, he isn't just there making small talk, he progresses pretty quickly to asking about the N0 vibe reads
• One of those literally says he's disappointed that there are so few people in thread, so in my mind he starts off already annoyed
• Happy's making his first three reads, and Annika gets a v but Ben only "probs v"
• Annika returns the favour, and makes no read on Benneh
• I'd be annoyed in his place if I was there being so very present and then not getting a better read than the "barely an opening post" ppl, so part of thinking he was annoyed is admittedly projection
• there's a difference between his assertion to Happy that his read is premature vs how he grilled Annika, which I attributed to increasing annoyance
• it's this difference that I thought was wolfy

I hope to have a better reason for voting someone before EoD but that was the thought process

I've forgotten what my count is brb

I don't find them scum reading Visor ridiculous. I find the way Arctic went about it at least unfortunate. They just picked every possible reason and fabricated a post. Tbh towns can fabricate posts like that, but that doesn't discard it as a scumtell.
Tbh tbh my Poe might be something like:

Sunbae (I'm probably sticking to that vote in order to avoid eod shenanigans)

Arctic
Taffy
Annika
Maple
possibly Ladd
possibly Ender
Maple

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Originally Posted by dyachei

annika prob v i think. Stett def v. idk on taffy and I suck at reading arctic so I try not to

I do think his reads list is at odds with a lot of the thread though

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wow that wasn't really a fair question Visor, I've barely posted
what is Dyachei supposed to read me off of?

Taffy (12)

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Originally Posted by didistetter

I'm so sorry Taffy I don't have any Qs for you :(

but i think you're really towny and am hype to get to play with you again!!

Vote: Waza

@Totally not Taffy actually jk: i kinda thought waza TMId me/ben/annika town and went ahead and punted those TRs because he expected us to be tr, but then kinda walked them back when he saw ben vote me and then hedged the annika read behind refusing to explain.

To me, ben's poking of annika's tr on waza kinda looked like he was picking up on that and trying to poke into her reasons for reciprocating the tr



so ig: im kinda curious where you're picking up on annoyance here? as opposed to poking?

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I think my other post already answered that

Stett why ask the same thing twice
how is knowing why I thought Benneh was annoyed going to help you read me?

Taffy (13)

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Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy

wow that wasn't really a fair question Visor, I've barely posted
what is Dyachei supposed to read me off of?

Taffy (12)

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Your posts?

HoroscopeS?

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Originally Posted by pzelda

I don't find them scum reading Visor ridiculous. I find the way Arctic went about it at least unfortunate. They just picked every possible reason and fabricated a post. Tbh towns can fabricate posts like that, but that doesn't discard it as a scumtell.
Tbh tbh my Poe might be something like:

Sunbae (I'm probably sticking to that vote in order to avoid eod shenanigans)

Arctic
Taffy
Annika
Maple
possibly Ladd
possibly Ender
Maple

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Hi

Assuming I won't manage to read up entirely, can you direct me to your post of why you have such a strong read on Sunbae? Or a post range where it would be?

Taffy (14)

3. Visor
4. didistetter
6. nebjiamn
9. Arctic
10. waza
12. Ender
15. pzelda


1. Raskolnikov
2. ladd
5. Sunbae
8. Lissa
11. Taffy
13. annika
14. dyachei

top half bottom half i guess, feels a lil weird but wasnt particularly *hard*. Final placements basically came down to me thinking arctic and zelda made more sense in the top than ladd did, who was the last to bounce.

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Originally Posted by Visor

Your posts?

HoroscopeS?

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I'm a Pisces if that helps :pisces:

I already thought Visor's SoD was towny so now I'm definitely not voting him
progress!

Taffy (15)

huh

my reads are dogshit

Stett is an interesting player to talk about. I quite liked some of their later presence, the way they were questioning people. Then a random shiptoast for posterity..and that throws me off a little, makes it a more difficult read. Also, their posts aren't very impactful. I should keep an eye on them to see if they progress their thoughts based on responses and new posts. I lean towards thinking so, but I can't recall.

Benneh, Lissa, Dya, Visor, waza are all in my towncore and I probably won't reconsider them before running out of people in Poe. And actually I would like to add two or three people from my Poe to this list to feel good about myself.

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Originally Posted by Maple

3. Visor
4. didistetter
6. nebjiamn
9. Arctic
10. waza
12. Ender
15. pzelda


1. Raskolnikov
2. ladd
5. Sunbae
8. Lissa
11. Taffy
13. annika
14. dyachei

top half bottom half i guess, feels a lil weird but wasnt particularly *hard*. Final placements basically came down to me thinking arctic and zelda made more sense in the top than ladd did, who was the last to bounce.

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Can you explain Arctic and Dya for me? I want to tr you.

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Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy

I'm a Pisces if that helps :pisces:

I already thought Visor's SoD was towny so now I'm definitely not voting him
progress!

Taffy (15)

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Why was it towny? I found it nai.

4. didistetter
6. nebjiamn
10. waza
15. pzelda

12. Ender
9. Arctic
3. Visor
2. ladd

1. Raskolnikov
8. Lissa
14. dyachei

5. Sunbae
11. Taffy
13. annika

wow that feels way better lol

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Originally Posted by pzelda

Why was it towny? I found it nai.

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By sod I mean first few hours.

vote: annika

pref giving sunbae a day

went to my fav cafe, got a mocha, cookie sandwich, and a breakfast quesadilla. Idk what they do, but they make my FAV quesadilla by far. Probably has to do with the fat content, pretty sure they cook the eggs in the protein fat and marinate the mushrooms in something

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Originally Posted by Maple

vote: annika

pref giving sunbae a day

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Why? Are they a better D2 player? Who do you sheep on Annika or is it your independent read?