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[Visor]

meh i'm really not seeing the visor townreads guys >.<

the post about annika felt like verbalized in a way such that he was trying to get townread and he doesn't have other reads with that same level of depth of thought which i feel lends credence to what i'm saying, and people even recognize that his push on stett didn't feel great which is the main thing i'm suspicious of - not just the detached comparison to lissa's game, but more the way he was sort of sewing the seeds there in a shady way

i think he is the wolfiest person amongst active posters. i feel like ender got a tiny bit towny but i'm not sure

This is a Wolfy post

Not because he is pushing me, but because of his framing of the stett push

I don't think anyone has said my push on stett didn't feel great

There are people who don't agree with the dead, sure and find stett villagery

But no one is actually out here saying those things about my read re stett (unless I've forgotten something)

The hedge on ender is meh too, but the phrasing around stett being slimy is what is problematic here

[Arctic]

This is a Wolfy post

Not because he is pushing me, but because of his framing of the stett push

I don't think anyone has said my push on stett didn't feel great

There are people who don't agree with the dead, sure and find stett villagery

But no one is actually out here saying those things about my read re stett (unless I've forgotten something)

The hedge on ender is meh too, but the phrasing around stett being slimy is what is problematic here

the post before this was lissa basically shutting down your read because that's just how stett plays

now.. she probably wasn't explicitly calling it wolfy because you may not be aware of that meta, but it was still implying that the push was not good

[nebjiamn]

the post before this was lissa basically shutting down your read because that's just how stett plays

now.. she probably wasn't explicitly calling it wolfy because you may not be aware of that meta, but it was still implying that the push was not good

i don't think its fair to conflate lissa's post wherein she explains a meta read to visor as calling visor's push "not good"

at least not in the sense that you are sorta doing the legwork to call it wolfy on lissa's behalf

this is another nitpicky thing but i think this matters tbh

[dyachei]

i do find it weird that I'm the person closest to arctic's reads and not wanting annika/taffy wagons particularly, but I'm also in his POE. this is NAI for him I think but it's interesting.

Ben, do you think sunbae's tone is ok or that I'm out there with that read

[nebjiamn]

i do find it weird that I'm the person closest to arctic's reads and not wanting annika/taffy wagons particularly, but I'm also in his POE. this is NAI for him I think but it's interesting.

Ben, do you think sunbae's tone is ok or that I'm out there with that read

49th post for me

tonally I think he's fine, but i think that's one of his better attributes so I'm not the best person to ask. i do think sus on him is fair, especially in a world where the 'consensus' poe that has formed is a bit off, i'd ask you this instead: without regard for tone, what in his posting have you seen that would make you doubt if he's town?


The answer for me is something along the lines of:

1) his post about never having this happen when he's a wolf. waza explained the read better than I can in his large post, i very much agreed with that as I skimmed it. that felt off to me, if you want to call that a 'tone' thing then sure, but to me that's content.

2) his interjection with annika about being careful of happy cause his stett read/reversal was a play that's in his wolf range. i've talked about this on the annika side and why i thought her RESPONSE to that post was wolfy, but I also think it was a kinda wolfy thing to post @ annika in its own right

3) his post @ lissa about not needing to re-evaluate or reconsider things on day 1. this is a weak one, cause tis very much in his town wheelhouse to be that supportive townie who pushes others to believe in themselves, but that one also felt kind of off to me, because lissa was literally saying she townread everyone in the game and had 0 wolf reads. she definitely needed to re-eval something. and sunbae's post to that came off a bit "dont worry about it, everythings fine.gif"

feel free to bounce around with these posts but also tell me what other posts stand out to you? i won't be able to reply but ill be reading as i can

[dyachei]

49th post for me

tonally I think he's fine, but i think that's one of his better attributes so I'm not the best person to ask. i do think sus on him is fair, especially in a world where the 'consensus' poe that has formed is a bit off, i'd ask you this instead: without regard for tone, what in his posting have you seen that would make you doubt if he's town?


The answer for me is something along the lines of:

1) his post about never having this happen when he's a wolf. waza explained the read better than I can in his large post, i very much agreed with that as I skimmed it. that felt off to me, if you want to call that a 'tone' thing then sure, but to me that's content.

2) his interjection with annika about being careful of happy cause his stett read/reversal was a play that's in his wolf range. i've talked about this on the annika side and why i thought her RESPONSE to that post was wolfy, but I also think it was a kinda wolfy thing to post @ annika in its own right

3) his post @ lissa about not needing to re-evaluate or reconsider things on day 1. this is a weak one, cause tis very much in his town wheelhouse to be that supportive townie who pushes others to believe in themselves, but that one also felt kind of off to me, because lissa was literally saying she townread everyone in the game and had 0 wolf reads. she definitely needed to re-eval something. and sunbae's post to that came off a bit "dont worry about it, everythings fine.gif"

feel free to bounce around with these posts but also tell me what other posts stand out to you? i won't be able to reply but ill be reading as i can

i mean, I do attribute 1 and 3 to tone a bit. His solving also feels off to me, which i think I expressed.

(don't feel required to respond to this btw, just want my thoughts out there)

I don't have specific posts, it's like his entire body of work is weak for sunbae. I'm used to him diving in more

[Visor]

ugh I am not at all a fan of me/maple/annika being thrown around as the poe when I think this is easily 0 wolves

normally I'd wolfread someone who talks a lot about their process in place of utilising said process, but i think given Maple's existential crisis in mafia (as benneh described earlier) - i think it tracks, and, quoting from waza too, he feels kinda lost in a villagery way and struggling to make stances in a way that wolf him wouldn't be here given the discussion we related to about how wolfing is a lot easier

annika i could be wrong on but i think her push on benneh just sounds like. she is a girlboss and knows she is town. idk. i'm aware girlbossing is a staple of her wolf game, but it didn't.. really feel like a cat scrambling around kinda defence. i think she believes it. i think she can easily defer to Taffy or me as a wolf here but maple is a kinda novel push here (even tho i think it's wrong) which i'd give points to

i'm trying to put words to two reads which are inherently intuitive so i understand if this doesn't convince anyone, but it's how i feel so >.<

Fwiw re sunbae I didn't like his post re ender in part due to the lack of full stop at the end (and the vibe of the thing)

Felt like wolf sunbae joke tone

[nebjiamn]

Vote: Sunbae



50 for me -- no idea if ill stick on sunbae but its more fun if we do a science experiment while i'm capped

town (hopefully 0 wolves)
nebjiamn
didistetter
pzelda
waza

towny feels, but could be a wolf here
Visor
dyachei

sliiight town but some concerns
Lissa - i had lissa in a higher tier but some of waza's points actually had me drop her down a bit, there was also just something about how she joined me on annika that felt weird (stett too, but i feel a lot better about stett in comparison)
Arctic - ive liked most of his recent posting even if i don't agree with all of it

null cause 0 posting
Raskolnikov

nullish cause having trouble grasping a read
ladd - would not kill
Maple
Ender - would probably not kill? enough people seem to be TRing him that it feels bad

concern pile
Sunbae
Taffy - this isn't a sheep of ladd (in a sense) -- i re-read their posting last night and decided it did fit in with what ladd and visor were describing and the only reason i tr'd her before was because of some meta assumptions that are incorrect
annika


i don't think all 3 wolves are in my bottom 6 ... probably, well, idk, maybe. i guess i mean i wouldnt be surprised if this list is way off, but this is how i'm viewing the game atm

[ladd]

Fwiw re sunbae I didn't like his post re ender in part due to the lack of full stop at the end (and the vibe of the thing)

Felt like wolf sunbae joke tone

I dont get it tbh

Everything sunbae has posted so far feels normal sunbae things, so i am kinda confused by how much hate he is getting

This post has like a 20% chance of looking silly later itg but ya. Do people expect to see hyper active/solving sunbae from year ago? Caus eimo his posting is pretty in line with his last org games as a villager