XCOM Mafia [Concluded]

Hardclaim: Advent Trooper

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Full reveal. You know I'm sympathetic to third parties.

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What's the point, I'm dead anyway.
I'll help whichever faction cures me.

Is a mass roleclaim at all a good idea? I wouldn't be opposed to it, but I can never tell when one is a good or bad idea.

Monty loves role claims, could be useful idk.

For the present, who knows. Obviously Mafia can lie or misdirect, so the most useful prospect is getting townie claims or claims that can be verified in the near future.

So,

novice - 3P
Cuth - Viper
Logic - Advent Trooper

But listen, there's a problem - if novice isn't scum but neutral 3P, and we lynch Bsmith scum, then there should be 2 scum left. Who dat?

Here's what I propose:

1. BSmith final wagon of the day, necessary lynch; get your alternative pressure in while you can
2. BSmith full claim sooner than later
4. Others claim as they wish, prefer reveal of novice poisoner; I don't want to dictate an order of claims, too micro-managey
@Dp101 XCom can (wield) poison, right? I believe you said so the other day.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

@Dp101 XCom can (wield) poison, right? I believe you said so the other day.

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Yup, via venom rounds, an item. I think it's unlikely though, as I would expect abilities to be tied to classes, and any class can use venom rounds.

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Originally Posted by Dp101

Yup, via venom rounds, an item. I think it's unlikely though, as I would expect abilities to be tied to classes, and any class can use venom rounds.

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And only Vipers have a class ability to poison? Two separate 1-shot vigs is the logical conclusion, if it wasn't scum and we assume there isn't yet another 3P (this one with a killing ability).

Is @Cuthillius sure he didn't do it?

I'm going to vote: Fred. Bsmith is certainly not cleared in my book, but with his starting the Bsmith trend going, he and Bsmith aren't both scum (so lynching him would help me make up my mind on Bsmith), and he was my second choice yesterday and nothing's happened to change that.

On another note, my sister is getting into town from out of the country this evening, so I won't be active in the second half of the game day (from about 2 pm EDT tomorrow until some time on Sunday)

After novice's poisoning and claim I'm not sure what to think.

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Originally Posted by autolycus

I'm going to vote: Fred. Bsmith is certainly not cleared in my book, but with his starting the Bsmith trend going, he and Bsmith aren't both scum (so lynching him would help me make up my mind on Bsmith), and he was my second choice yesterday and nothing's happened to change that.

On another note, my sister is getting into town from out of the country this evening, so I won't be active in the second half of the game day (from about 2 pm EDT tomorrow until some time on Sunday)

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Originally Posted by Csargo

After novice's poisoning and claim I'm not sure what to think.

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On that note, if Bsmith is scum and novice flips 3P, lynch auto immediately.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

And only Vipers have a class ability to poison? Two separate 1-shot vigs is the logical conclusion, if it wasn't scum and we assume there isn't yet another 3P (this one with a killing ability).

Is @Cuthillius sure he didn't do it?

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of course i did it

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

On that note, if Bsmith is scum and novice flips 3P, lynch auto immediately.

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I thought auto was spewed clear by Manasi?

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Originally Posted by Dp101

I thought auto was spewed clear by Manasi?

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Some things can't stand though, and a non-scum novice makes auto look weak. Pushing Fred over BSmith when Fred looks much better independently and is mostly cleared by scum Bsmith doesn't help things.

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

of course i did it

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Thank balaten.

Cuth is an odd night poisoner? Is that right?

Or 2 shot?

BSmith's iso is basically justifying/defending his vote on pizza, wagoning me, saying he'd def vote to save himself. What a great read.

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Originally Posted by Csargo

Cuth is an odd night poisoner? Is that right?

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Originally Posted by Csargo

Or 2 shot?

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nah

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

i literally claimed yes i poisoned him but it had no effect

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

:/

i'm sorry

i'm not going to respond to this any more tonight

just because my mind is on the edge of snapping

but i was

hoping this would not be the outcome

i

ugh


i'm sorry

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

That was only me, I believe. Look for a finer distinction.

About your poisoning ability, it just 'didn't work', right? So if it didn't work, then it's not even a question of whether or not the poisoned would be informed by the host. You or Pizza (and hey, Pizza draws actions by nature) could have been jailed. Some other ability might have interfered. The question is, can you poison again?

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

eh i misremembered

disregard

i'm an [unintelligent person at this point], sorry

i

dammit

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

the answer is, i'm not going to say

and yes it just didn't work

i remembered it badly and i strongly dislike myself right now

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Cuth, can you explain all this stuff from N2 about the Pizza poisoning? What had you so worked up? It sounded like you had realized something about your role, but you wouldn't say then.

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

ugh ugh ugh ugh

i was HOPING this was exactly what was not going to happen

expletive

ok

well

we'll see what tomorrow brings

hopefully if anyone dies it'll be scum

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And what about this? This sounded like you were planning to hit someone else.

I won't run the risk of the other humans saving their partner and helper.

vote: Novice

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Originally Posted by Dp101

Don't have the energy right now for anything more, but just a side note that Manasi's role basically confirms 4 scum, one of each class, so keep that in mind when making your teams.

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A-ha? Could you elaborate while I read the latest 50 posts or so?

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

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Originally Posted by novice

Was that really necessary.

I'm the Avenger Pilot. Scum had better hurry if they want to call for evac.

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So you claim to be scum?

http://xcom.wikia.com/wiki/Avenger_(XCOM_2)

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If I had to guess I'd say he was a type of lone scum. Doesn't know the partners but they know him. That would explain some votes.

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Originally Posted by novice

I have my own agenda.

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Still not running the risk.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

I won't run the risk of the other humans saving their partner and helper.

vote: Novice

A-ha? Could you elaborate while I read the latest 50 posts or so?

If I had to guess I'd say he was a type of lone scum. Doesn't know the partners but they know him. That would explain some votes.

Still not running the risk.

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Novice has been poisoned. He is likely third-party.

There is no good reason to lynch novice over BSmith today.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Novice has been poisoned. He is likely third-party.

There is no good reason to lynch novice over BSmith today.

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How sure are you about that Monty?

Hey, something came to my head while rereading day one. Askthepizzaguy was never announced as poisoned.

Some charitative soul is pointing that out for us.

So, FfoS: Cuthillius, do you have anything to say?

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Originally Posted by El Barto

A-ha? Could you elaborate while I read the latest 50 posts or so?

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There are 4 basic soldier classes, and Grenadier is one of them. So, it stands to reason that there are 3 more scum, one for each role.

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Originally Posted by Dp101

There are 4 basic soldier classes, and Grenadier is one of them. So, it stands to reason that there are 3 more scum, one for each role.

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Oh, right, Zack is young enough to think in terms of the revamped, newer game from a couple years ago.

How would you fit in novice's claimed Avenger pilot in there?

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Originally Posted by Csargo

How sure are you about that Monty?

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It's difficult to see why how any other course of action could be endorsed. Unless you think novice is scum and Bsmith is not AND novice will be healed by his team, then it would be a pretty bad move.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

Hey, something came to my head while rereading day one. Askthepizzaguy was never announced as poisoned.

Some charitative soul is pointing that out for us.

So, FfoS: Cuthillius, do you have anything to say?

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We discussed this late D2 and N2. Cuth seemed upset by something he suddenly realized. I just quoted some relevant posts of his, 7 or so posts before this one.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

Oh, right, Zack is young enough to think in terms of the revamped, newer game from a couple years ago.

How would you fit in novice's claimed Avenger pilot in there?

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No clue, none at all. The pilot has a voice actor, but other than that is basically a non-factor in the game itself. I don't know why they would be third party, given that they work for XCOM.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

Ah, now I see what Monty was talking about with Manasi and DP on D1.

Not going to bother reading the rest of his iso. Can't see Manasi bussing there.

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See this from D1, right at the opening:

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Originally Posted by Manasi

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Originally Posted by Champ

Vote: Manasi

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Vote: Champ

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Where would that leave General Champerchief?

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

BTW

Advent* (Town) classes:

• ADVENT Shieldbearer
• ADVENT Stun Lancer
  
• ADVENT Trooper x1

Alien** (Town) classes:

• Codex
  
• Faceless x1
  
• Muton x1
  
• Sectoid x2
• Viper

@Cuthilius Tell us what you are plz, what class
@Dp101 Explain some of the remaining roles, especially the Advent ones

I figure around 7 townies left give or take, so it may be likely that the classes we haven't seen yet (publicly) are out there.


*Leaving out big or elite units like Advent MEC or Officer
**Leaving out big or elite units like Andromedon, Archon, Avatar, Berserker, Chryssalid, Gatekeeper

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I wouldn't guide myself so strictly by unit lists.

See here:

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Originally Posted by Logic

Hardclaim: Advent Trooper

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That's my role. And Sooh's. Interesting.

Monty, Zack doesn't like metagaming. He'll go out of his way to make your brain hurt if you attempt it.

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

cuth
winston
dp
monty
csargo

relatively confident in all of above being town

monty
fred

above prooobably town?

?novice?

autolycus
el barto
logic
bsmith

at least two scum in above

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Could you please write a short justification for each?

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Originally Posted by Csargo

BSmith's iso is basically justifying/defending his vote on pizza, wagoning me, saying he'd def vote to save himself. What a great read.

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Query: Scumread BSmith Y/N
If answer to the above is Y, percentage?

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Novice has been poisoned. He is likely third-party.

There is no good reason to lynch novice over BSmith today.

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I'm back onto this post.

Manasi went out of her way to save him, and that was after she was saved herself. He's admitting to being in XCOM's employ. Just because they do not share a QuickTopic does not mean they are not on the same side overall.

At best, Zack being Zack, he threw the role in to screw with our minds.

novice dies today, BSmith tomorrow, by all means.

Also, we had better finish novice today and clear Cuthillius while we are at it.

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Originally Posted by Dp101

No clue, none at all. The pilot has a voice actor, but other than that is basically a non-factor in the game itself. I don't know why they would be third party, given that they work for XCOM.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

It's difficult to see why how any other course of action could be endorsed. Unless you think novice is scum and Bsmith is not AND novice will be healed by his team, then it would be a pretty bad move.



We discussed this late D2 and N2. Cuth seemed upset by something he suddenly realized. I just quoted some relevant posts of his, 7 or so posts before this one.

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I'm just thinking in terms of Manasi's D2 vote on pizza. That vote was the precursor to her lynch imo, not that she looked good previously, but if novice is third party then her vote makes little sense. Unless she just wanted to get rid of a strong opponent, that's possible as well potentially.

Think Cuth was referring to pizza flipping town? That's how I read it.

Eeek! Post guillotined by premature sending!

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Originally Posted by Dp101

No clue, none at all. The pilot has a voice actor, but other than that is basically a non-factor in the game itself. I don't know why they would be third party, given that they work for XCOM.

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Hmmmm. As I said above, let us not railroad ourselves into thinking there have to be X players of any given class/species/alignment.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

Query: Scumread BSmith Y/N
If answer to the above is Y, percentage?

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After looking at the Pokemon game, I'd lean scum. Probably like 60% sure of that. There's much more substance there than here imo.