XCOM Mafia [Concluded]

[El Barto]

Ah, now I see what Monty was talking about with Manasi and DP on D1.

Not going to bother reading the rest of his iso. Can't see Manasi bussing there.

See this from D1, right at the opening:

Vote: Manasi

Vote: Champ

Where would that leave General Champerchief?

BTW

Advent* (Town) classes:

• ADVENT Shieldbearer
• ADVENT Stun Lancer
  
• ADVENT Trooper x1

Alien** (Town) classes:

• Codex
  
• Faceless x1
  
• Muton x1
  
• Sectoid x2
• Viper

@Cuthilius Tell us what you are plz, what class
@Dp101 Explain some of the remaining roles, especially the Advent ones

I figure around 7 townies left give or take, so it may be likely that the classes we haven't seen yet (publicly) are out there.


*Leaving out big or elite units like Advent MEC or Officer
**Leaving out big or elite units like Andromedon, Archon, Avatar, Berserker, Chryssalid, Gatekeeper

I wouldn't guide myself so strictly by unit lists.

See here:

Hardclaim: Advent Trooper

That's my role. And Sooh's. Interesting.

Monty, Zack doesn't like metagaming. He'll go out of his way to make your brain hurt if you attempt it.

cuth
winston
dp
monty
csargo

relatively confident in all of above being town

monty
fred

above prooobably town?

?novice?

autolycus
el barto
logic
bsmith

at least two scum in above

Could you please write a short justification for each?

BSmith's iso is basically justifying/defending his vote on pizza, wagoning me, saying he'd def vote to save himself. What a great read.

Query: Scumread BSmith Y/N
If answer to the above is Y, percentage?

Novice has been poisoned. He is likely third-party.

There is no good reason to lynch novice over BSmith today.

I'm back onto this post.

Manasi went out of her way to save him, and that was after she was saved herself. He's admitting to being in XCOM's employ. Just because they do not share a QuickTopic does not mean they are not on the same side overall.

At best, Zack being Zack, he threw the role in to screw with our minds.

novice dies today, BSmith tomorrow, by all means.

Also, we had better finish novice today and clear Cuthillius while we are at it.

No clue, none at all. The pilot has a voice actor, but other than that is basically a non-factor in the game itself. I don't know why they would be third party, given that they work for XCOM.

[El Barto]

Eeek! Post guillotined by premature sending!

No clue, none at all. The pilot has a voice actor, but other than that is basically a non-factor in the game itself. I don't know why they would be third party, given that they work for XCOM.

Hmmmm. As I said above, let us not railroad ourselves into thinking there have to be X players of any given class/species/alignment.

[Csargo]

Query: Scumread BSmith Y/N
If answer to the above is Y, percentage?

After looking at the Pokemon game, I'd lean scum. Probably like 60% sure of that. There's much more substance there than here imo.

[El Barto]

I'm just thinking in terms of Manasi's D2 vote on pizza. That vote was the precursor to her lynch imo, not that she looked good previously, but if novice is third party then her vote makes little sense.

This is a quite succint restatement of my point.

Unless she just wanted to get rid of a strong opponent, that's possible as well potentially.

Yes, but I don't think Manasi would be that clumsy. One atpg for 25% (or more) of their number is too much.
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After looking at the Pokemon game, I'd lean scum. Probably like 60% sure of that. There's much more substance there than here imo.

‘There’ being the Pokémon game and ‘here’ being this game?

[El Barto]

Yes, but I don't think Manasi would be that clumsy. One atpg for 25% (or more) of their number is too much.

If novice was town they'd've let him die and then killed atpg during the night. Nobody would protect the counterwaggon to a dead, proven townie. If anything, he would have been tracked. But not watched. atpg was a safe kill. What was unsafe was to let novice live.

Also, ‘pretend to be third party/SK’ is a gambit we have seen many times over the years. I'm not falling for it.

[El Barto]

What was unsafe was to let novice live.

*die, damn it.

[Csargo]

This is a quite succint restatement of my point.

Yes, but I don't think Manasi would be that clumsy. One atpg for 25% (or more) of their number is too much.
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‘There’ being the Pokémon game and ‘here’ being this game?

Yeah to the last part.

I'd agree about Manasi, it doesn't make sense to sacrifice yourself for one mislynched pizza. I'd lean novice has a higher chance of being scum than BSmith after Manasi's flip, but it's also weird that she didn't vote BSmith. I need to go back and look to see if she was around.

[El Barto]

Yeah to the last part.

I'd agree about Manasi, it doesn't make sense to sacrifice yourself for one mislynched pizza. I'd lean novice has a higher chance of being scum than BSmith after Manasi's flip, but it's also weird that she didn't vote BSmith. I need to go back and look to see if she was around.

See #1741 by yours truly.

An oldie!

This is very likely just me tinfoiling, but I think a scum is more likely to remember who was bulletproof than a townie. (At least, I had to look it up.)

It's not as if crimson_snow ended up being an actual bulletproof townie.

Unless, of course, the grenadier i.e. Manasi had a special bazooka/explosive kill.

[Dp101]

It's not as if crimson_snow ended up being an actual bulletproof townie.

Unless, of course, the grenadier i.e. Manasi had a special bazooka/explosive kill.

I thought that the claim implied that the bulletproof was oneshot?

[Dp101]

BTW I'm like 90% sure that there's a wolf between Monty and Csargo, but I really can't decide, at all, which one it is.

[Montmorency]

Barto, Bsmith flipping scum clears Cuth better than novice flipping scum.

Why don't we flip BSmith today, and see if novice flips tonight? He's publicly poisoned!

Claims, content, spew: everything right now points to Bsmith now, novice (if necessary) later.

If novice was town they'd've let him die and then killed atpg during the night. Nobody would protect the counterwaggon to a dead, proven townie. If anything, he would have been tracked. But not watched. atpg was a safe kill. What was unsafe was to let novice live.

Why not the other way around? Why isn't Pizza safer to lynch, since Pizza attracts night actions like, uh, flies to Pizza? I suspect it's more a matter of Manasi not wanting to be left off-wagon after making so many commitments and being active during EOD - and also not wanting to be directly responsible for flipping town Pizza.

Also, ‘pretend to be third party/SK’ is a gambit we have seen many times over the years. I'm not falling for it.

HE IS POISONED

See #1741 by yours truly.

An oldie!

It's not as if crimson_snow ended up being an actual bulletproof townie.

Unless, of course, the grenadier i.e. Manasi had a special bazooka/explosive kill.

He was bulletproof N1, during which we had no kill.

I have to say I really don't like the way you are characterizing these things, Bart.

[Dp101]

HE IS POISONED

To be fair, unless we lynch the specialist today, IMO there's a pretty good chance that the poison is cured, unless the (almost certain) doctor ability of the specialist is x-shot.