Askthepizzaguy Mafia II: The Revengening [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by Visorslash

Well well well. There is a tenth faction after all. Couldn't resist, could you ATPG?

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I think I have a vague idea about this. Can I PM you for clarification?

Sure. I believe I am 100% correct about this assumption.

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Originally Posted by Chaotix

I think I have a hunch right now, though. The Queen of Hearts should reveal herself in-thread, then I can put together the rest of the puzzle.

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Why, do you happen to be the King of Hearts?

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Originally Posted by Visorslash

townie who can't vote (*facepalm*).

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:stare:

:laugh4:

How was making me not able to vote balanced? :P

Needless to say, the manner in which I got lynched was quite funny. I didn't bold a vote for suicide, and got lynched because of it.

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Originally Posted by Earthling

Except you contributed nothing of substance to a case against Diamondeye. You only placed a wager, which given that people unvote and fold all the time so a wager doesn't matter until the very final closing bell, and if you were partners one of you could still have been bussing the other, proves nothing.

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And throwing pawns away is going to do so much for any scum group's morale(!) Think, for once, I was winning, if I was scum I wouldnt throw my scumbuddy away to save the head of the town network.

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And why are you so terribly defensive and cowardly about yourself, trying to hide your retaliatory item and acting like it's such a threat the scum would kill you, all of the Innocents are in the same boat.

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1:Because I dont want to die, noone should.
2: I decided to make it hard for reneta after I had posted to I edited it into something more vague. It. Was. For. Fun.

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Could you try to help us out perhaps, all this time of lying to Renata and arguing with other probable townies and you can't reveal anything other than vague, unverifiable roleblock attempts?

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That would be hard to do because I dont have anything but hard to verify roleblock attempts, the only guy who could verify it is captain blackadder and he hasnt had more than 7 posts this game.

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Like, what is so hard about telling us what faction you're on and what it's enemies are, and wouldn't you rather do this of your own choice than someone else revealing your identity for you anyway?

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Because one of you idiots who belive that they can get away with a faction victory that includes killing off my faction might get it into thier heads that I am a target.

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You're certainly not the only one who is being detrimental to the town here Greyblades, if you are Innocent, don't get me wrong, there's a lot of people and factions I'm waiting to hear the same on. But if people would just cooperate and reveal this we'd be much, much closer to finishing off the chaotics.

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No, it realy wouldn't, these guys have cover roles, revealing won't do squat and trying to get guys to cooperate after thier friends have turned out to be potential enemies(even more than they are now) is not going to help.

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I don't care what you people are, South Park, Cosa Nostra, Psychotic, Springfield, so on, but it's killing the town to be secretly lying about each other's posts and accusing each other because of factional infighting.

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And revealing will just open the floodgates for the anti town to try and get two factions killing each other.

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The scanners like Bow-wow-wow who should reveal faction scans by now again need to do so as well. Because I'm happy to say that my agenda right now is to work with Backwards Logic and whomever else seems Innocent on simply lynching and vig-killing the various people who look scummy and if you're looking scummy because of silly factional stuff you're hiding it's your problem.

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Tell me if you werent so bloody invincible would you still do this?

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Originally Posted by Visorslash

Actually I have. Read the thread. I really wish Renata didn't take the gag with her.

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You know Visor, if you were a townie you would actually be constructive in helping others to realize that you were not a chaotic scum, rather than "oh I'm an innocent, read the thread which conveniently happens to have almost 2000 posts".

Quote the posts, or no deal. Explain in detail, your attempts to "be helpful" and post lists that put you forward as town do you absolutely no credit at all.

And also ignoring posts probing into your innocence or guilt that are hard to answer on your part won't do you any justice (in fact you still haven't answered my posts). I would hate to have to keep re-quoting and reposting them you know Visor, but I will.

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Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name

People keep questioning Visor's list, but hasn't proposed their own.

If we really want to be super accurate here this is the list:

Innocent: Probably Romanic and BL.
Unknown: Everyone else.

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That's because it will assist the scums in picking targets :bow:

Earthling is right in that regard.

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Originally Posted by Visorslash

While we're posting fun facts, I've never drawn a scum role myself. :laugh4:

I've had either basic townie (such as this game and The Chamber), pro town vig (Buffy IV), townie who can't vote (*facepalm*).

The times I have felt 100% someone was scum, were the times I was right. Unfortunately they have only happened in a few games. I had suspicions about Renata, but was unable to act anyway.

I hope to learn a lot from this experience. :

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Implying that you aren't scum because you aren't a scum role or based on past experiences is just really really contributing to the fact that you are trying to seem innocent but aren't providing hard facts.

Take for example, Romanic's defense:

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Originally Posted by Romanic

Kage, I direct you to my claiming post here where I explained that I was attacked by the green eyes killer on the last two nights. This guy is undoubtely Chaotic because he attacked someone every night except on N1, which can be explained by the Chaotic team having a maximum of 2 kills per night.

If he wasn't chaotic (or serial killer perhaps) then he would be limited, like us, to a % of success for his attacks, yet we hear from him every night (meaning he can't fail to attack).

And no one has counter claimed that he was the player attacked by the green-eye killer, so I'm probably telling the truth.

Green eye killer attacks:

N2: killed Diana (Evil)
N3: killed Zack (Evil)
N4: killed Beskar (neutral)
N5: attacked Romanic, busdrived with Ironside. Ironside died.
N6: attacked Romanic, busdrived with [someone], protection on Romanic succeeded to protect [someone] from being killed.

(where [someone] is the player we pick to busdrive me for protection, and I'm not ready to divulge that name)


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Your argument that I didn't vote DE doesn't make me mafia. As I wrote in the post where I unvoted Greyblades, I said that I was perplexed [by what I read] and it was true. Diamondeye claimed having knowledge that Renata was antiTown, that's a stong claim, hard to ignore. On the other hand Renata organized the busdrive that saved my life on N5, also hard to ignore. And I was also surprised to hear about Seon's item, that conversion was possible in this game, and that Renata has been stealing items since the beginning: all things she didn't tell me about, which made me suspicious of her. So because I had to go to work, and was having a hard time deciding what to do, I simply unvoted, PMing Renata that I would revive her if she flipped Evil. I thought it was the best course of action, and as one who pushed that idea, you should agree with me.

Anyway, after these facts: Me being attacked two nights in a row, and Diamondeye voting to lynch me (and not someone else), I hardly see how I could be chaotic.

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If you don't have something that details very precisely why you probably aren't scum Visor, your attempts to masquerade as town (lets not forget how you are being as slippery as an eel and trying to ignore the inconvenient fact that you were dished out as a suspect a few rounds ago) are entirely pointless because nobody will trust you wholeheartedly.

And telling people to "go read what I've said already" isn't helping anyone but the chaotics, if you are an evil character, you would assist, after all, what have you to lose if nobody but the town does not know your identity?

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Earthlink "wallOtext" Detective has pretty much been wrong on every count of accusations he has made,

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Regardless of Earthling being wrong, he is proven to be an evil aligned individual. Let the man who has never been wrong at mafia, heck even repeatedly, be the first to criticize him on that regard and "ignore anything he is saying". Any takers? :bow:

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Implying that you aren't scum because you aren't a scum role or based on past experiences is just really really contributing to the fact that you are trying to seem innocent but aren't providing hard facts.

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I said I have never been a scum role.

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And telling people to "go read what I've said already" isn't helping anyone but the chaotics, if you are an evil character, you would assist, after all, what have you to lose if nobody but the town does not know your identity?

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I just did. If all goes to plan, you shall know my reasoning and what I have done. ;)

DiY, in a new post, post all the questions you want me to answer.

My number one question is just for you to post exactly what you have said in thread that makes you a town (evil) role.

Because from that post I've quoted, all you've been doing is claiming "oh I've already said that go and read up" which is very unproductive because townies would want figure out why they should believe you and the chaotics already know who you are.

My number two question (not specifically directed towards you but everyone) is questioning why nobody trusts Earthling.

Lets face the facts shall we?

1) Like Romanic he was attacked at night (Heck I even pointed this out when I was alive on the phase he was up for the lynch but nobody cared to listen to that fact)
2) He may be wrong, but I'd challenge the person who hasn't been wrong before in mafia to advocate ignoring him
3) There have been claims that he is a role asking to die, but these are all theories from what I recall and were only claimed not proven, more so based on what his role was in the game where it came from.
4) He's proven innocent, case closed (well unless people care to provide evidence that nullifies this :yes:)

I highly doubt it would be that easy to figure out the purpose of its role just by looking at what it was in a previous game.

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I just did. If all goes to plan, you shall know my reasoning and what I have done. ;)

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You have to understand Visor, all of this is just smelling like a delaying scheme. All I'm (and others) are asking for is compelling evidence that suggests that you are townie, that is in fact highly plausible. I even cited Romanic's case as a good example, but you seem to be ignoring/not realizing the questions ALREADY BEING ASKED NUMEROUS TIMES OVER. Delaying such an example and waiting for something to come along to do it for you then using it as justification will not cut it for me.

For example: You justified your votes on Renata and even said this precise phrase "I knew Renata had to die".

With the knowledge that she was not an evil/neutral character after her victory.

Don't make me have to quote it. Repeating myself needlessly is incredibly pointless and unless you derive great pleasure from intentionally frustrating members of your same team, you should help by providing the required information.

Heck even Renata provided pretty compelling evidence why she was not chaotic.

Revive me and I can give you answers!

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My number one question is just for you to post exactly what you have said in thread that makes you a town (evil) role.

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Roleblocking, saving Renata by voting DE, my recent findings (which you will find out), my item comments. I dunno what else, what do you want me to say?

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My number two question (not specifically directed towards you but everyone) is questioning why nobody trusts Earthling.

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Almost always wrong and he is quite insulting a lot of the time. Personally, I'm amused why no-one votes him anything. Buyt I suppose Renata's words on his character may ring true.

...Being wrong, rude and annoying arent signs of mafia, they're signs of a frustrated townie I should know I've been that way myself.
Well maybe not a frustrated townie per se but still.

Yeah, but he's catasrophically wrong and annoying. Going out of his way to be bad for the town. We don't even have any leads atm.

We have about 6 players with less than ten posts and this mysterious ressurector of renetas still to look up, we're not exactly wanting for suspects.

Edit: miscounted thats about 4 people without more than 10 posts we could be looking at.

Well why don't we pressure them in the morning?

You're saying we have two resurrectors?

One good and one bad, correct?

No, I think I remember reneta saying something about knowing a resurrector and I'm assuming its the same one that revived DE. Two might be a possibility but I'm not sure enough to say at this point.

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Originally Posted by Visorslash

Roleblocking, saving Renata by voting DE, my recent findings (which you will find out), my item comments. I dunno what else, what do you want me to say?

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Roleblocking does not prove that you aren't scum.

Saving Renata by voting DE could have been a bussing attempt.

I don't know and won't know until its public so that doesn't count. You should tell it to Backwards Logic, and see what he thinks. I honestly don't know why people aren't consolidating information with the confirmed innocents such as BL, if you don't trust/don't like Earthling, then send the information to Backwards Logic. There is no reason whatsoever to not give him that information if you think it vindicates you. He can and will decide.

Visorslash, I need you to quote precisely your "item comments" and everything about your role blocking. I do not want to have to flip through all of your posts, but I will if you persist in being so unhelpful and not elaborating.

I don't want you saying that "Oh I did Roleblocking". Who did you roleblock? Why does this make you innocent? Don't make me hound you for details Visor, this isn't very pleasant.

I have said what I already want you to say, stop feigning ignorance.

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this mysterious ressurector of renetas still to look up

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Romanic has publicly claimed to be said reviver Greyblades, he has provided compelling evidence as to why he is not scum :bow:

AKA being attacked by a chaotic.

Didn't Romanic claim the reviver?

DiY, Greyblades, please, your honest opinion. Am I scum?

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Romanic has publicly claimed to be said reviver Greyblades, he has provided compelling evidence as to why he is not scum

AKA being attacked by a chaotic.

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Oh, well I definitely havent been paying attention. Did he say anything about DE?

Visorslash, please answer my questions :bow:

That will determine my response to your question. And I also can't say whether you are scum are not, I can only say whether I think you are scum or not.

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Originally Posted by Greyblades

Oh, well I definitely havent been paying attention. Did he say anything about DE?

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Originally Posted by Romanic

I'm not aware of any communication Renata had with Diamondeye, and I've never talked with DE privately in this game.

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Originally Posted by Romanic

Where did you get that BL's reviver is the same player who revived DE? It's not. The chaotics are reviving their own.

I'm the reviver, obviously, and not caring much about revealing this info anymore since I've been attacked two nights in a row but failed both times.

Green eye killer attacked me on Night 5:

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Attack of the Green eye killer on Night 6

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I survived both because I was busdrived for my protection, and Renata organized the first busdrive, which is why I vouched for her. It would have been surprising that she was Chaotic if the busdrive she organized saved my life. Fine, she wasn't Evil either, but what can you do? I didn't expect a neutral to affect my victory conditions. As Earthling said yesterday, the Evil goal is to kill all the Chaotics so once DE flipped chaotic yesterday, I was trusting Renata all the way.

Big deal she won her own victory, it's not game over for us yet.

Now if some players are willing to lynch me over a known Chaotic (Diamondeye), I don't understand. Obviously I can't be Chaotic with Diamondeye, given the history and his vote on me today. Not sure what you expect to find?

Btw, I'm Evil Mafia, just like BL, which is why I revived him first, after which I failed two nights in a row.

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Originally Posted by Romanic

Kage, I direct you to my claiming post here where I explained that I was attacked by the green eyes killer on the last two nights. This guy is undoubtely Chaotic because he attacked someone every night except on N1, which can be explained by the Chaotic team having a maximum of 2 kills per night.

If he wasn't chaotic (or serial killer perhaps) then he would be limited, like us, to a % of success for his attacks, yet we hear from him every night (meaning he can't fail to attack).

And no one has counter claimed that he was the player attacked by the green-eye killer, so I'm probably telling the truth.

Green eye killer attacks:

N2: killed Diana (Evil)
N3: killed Zack (Evil)
N4: killed Beskar (neutral)
N5: attacked Romanic, busdrived with Ironside. Ironside died.
N6: attacked Romanic, busdrived with [someone], protection on Romanic succeeded to protect [someone] from being killed.

(where [someone] is the player we pick to busdrive me for protection, and I'm not ready to divulge that name)


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Your argument that I didn't vote DE doesn't make me mafia. As I wrote in the post where I unvoted Greyblades, I said that I was perplexed [by what I read] and it was true. Diamondeye claimed having knowledge that Renata was antiTown, that's a stong claim, hard to ignore. On the other hand Renata organized the busdrive that saved my life on N5, also hard to ignore. And I was also surprised to hear about Seon's item, that conversion was possible in this game, and that Renata has been stealing items since the beginning: all things she didn't tell me about, which made me suspicious of her. So because I had to go to work, and was having a hard time deciding what to do, I simply unvoted, PMing Renata that I would revive her if she flipped Evil. I thought it was the best course of action, and as one who pushed that idea, you should agree with me.

Anyway, after these facts: Me being attacked two nights in a row, and Diamondeye voting to lynch me (and not someone else), I hardly see how I could be chaotic.

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Well do you think I am scum?

I missed night one, and have only suceeding in roleblocking autolycus, who I said wasn't scum after people were talking about vigging him. Turns out he wasn't scum.
I made comments about losing my items after Renata won.

Thank you. DIY
So who revived DE?

Someone we don't know.

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Originally Posted by Visorslash

Well do you think I am scum?

I missed night one, and have only suceeding in roleblocking autolycus, who I said wasn't scum after people were talking about vigging him. Turns out he wasn't scum.
I made comments about losing my items after Renata won.

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So is this why you are asking Greyblades and me for whether you are scum or not?

So you can quote us to lend credence to your supposed "innocence"??

Lets look at this shall we? Out of Auto's posts all 10 of them, there is no mention about Visorslash explicitly, and most certainly no mention about Visorslash being innocent.

Post #1243 here even expresses how he thinks his blocker might have been scum.

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Originally Posted by autolycus

Sorry if I've been a bit inactive, I find it hard to get going in large games where private claims aren't allowed ordinarily, and running a game over on CFC doesn't make things easier.
Anyway, I was role-blocked last night, so there's at least one other person out there who knows I'm not one of the killers. Granted, given the two action system, it's fully possible that my blocker was one of the killers. Anyway, I like the Earthling case better than the mythmonster one, so Bet: 20 credits on Earthling.

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I'm sorry Visor, but Autolycus has not made any mention about you being innocent.

Your case is void, your innocence is not proved.

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I made comments about losing my items after Renata won.

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Elaborate, I am not moved and will continue persisting until your response is both satisfactory and existent (in relation to providing things that are not one liners).

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So who revived DE?

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A chaotic reviver, or simply someone who isn't chaotic neutral or evil, one can never know especially with Renata.

In any case, its most definitely not someone who is town.

Stop twisting things. I SAID that Autolycus wasn't scum after the possibility of him being vigged was brought up. I knew he wasn't a killer.

I will never convince you DiY. And I don't particularly care. Wait until the night is over and you shall see why I did what I did.

I will accept that error [looked at it wrongly] :bow:

Nevertheless elaboration would be nice :bow:

I remained unconvinced still because it is lacking.

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And I don't particularly care

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Why do you not care? Like any other townie I am merely seeking to see whether you can be trusted or not, since you clearly desire to be, you should aid yourself in the process by cooperating with information.

Or at the very least pass that information along to Backwards Logic, it will do you no good when dead and if you don't trust earthling, BL is still another confirmed townie.

Okay mate. Don't mind if I just ignore your dead body for the rest of purgatory then? :laugh4:

Oy vey, nice to see you two make up at least.