Askthepizzaguy Mafia II: The Revengening [Concluded]

If you guys are townies you should realize that this argument makes no sense. You can't honestly believe this is a good argument if you are townie trying to demonstrate your townieness. You people didn't even speak up in advance with your own thoughts or suspicions on whether you "knew about Renata" and whether she was a trustable town leader or not, you're only claiming this after the fact.

There is no possible way you could realistically believe that Renata was already set to be lynched and anybody else fully in the clear. Renata, Backwards Logic, Romanichine alone were guaranteed to an outside observer to vote as a block, probably pulling in others like shlin or Death is Yonder on their side, that's like 240+ credits that were going to end up in Renata's favor if it came down to max votes. The scum clearly would have known this in advance too, known how much support Renata would have, the intermediate credit tally at like less than halfway into the day counts for nothing. You can't claim ignorance of this either because it's happened almost every single game day, intermediate credit tallies count for nothing when people with max votes come in later and everybody knew that would happen. The vote on Renata on that point wasn't 100s of credits overboard, so there was no guarantee at all she would die, and in fact, just like with happened against Diamondeye, these people did show up to place massive bets and save Renata. And there's the fact that in the end the scum didn't even try to save Diamondeye, they knew they would lose the day's vote and one of their own would be gone and they rolled with it. They also would have known that they would have gotten back every credit they bet on Diamondeye to bus him anyway - it's clear that regardless of the exact plan Diamondeye and his pals had, no other scum lost their credits on that day, they knew what they were doing for some reason. It's a fishy situation made more so by the fact that Diamondeye was immediately revived.

So voting for Diamondeye or Renata is not reliable evidence at all, that much is extremely clear, someone who didn't end up voting much like Roman or myself is still easily Innocent and some of those who did bus Diamondeye are probably scum. You can't try to argue that if you are a townie this one vote proves it, it's a terrible argument that in fact is the sort of argument only a scum should try to make. If you're really a townie you have more than enough other ways to cooperate, reveal info, and show us you're a townie, come talk to me or BL and get sent on a useful-for-once vig kill mission or something. And I love the fact you're so afraid to reveal your factional info Greyblades because you're afraid some hypothetical faction enemy could come and kill you out of the blue, because someone like me is going to kill you for not doing so and otherwise hurting the townie effort by remaining a scum suspect.

Can everybody not just drop this entirely because it's utterly futile and it's going to go absolutely nowhere. At least save the petty bickering for the day phase, then you can actually put your credits behind your allegations.

EDIT: If only I still had that gag...

Tell it to the guy pushing it forward.

There is no harm in discussion.

There is when it makes you want to throttle someone.

Peace and love. :laugh4:


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Peace and love. :laugh4:


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I walk away from the game for a day and I see this. I am crying right now from my eyes having to painstakingly read all these walls of text.

the tl;dr version for everyone

A. DIY thinks Visorslash is scum
B. Visor says he has info about a tenth faction and is acting confident that he is innocent, saying there is evidence.
C. Earthling and DIY says his evidence isn't evidence.
D. Pointless arguing between all three.
E. Jolt accused Greyblades of being so obviously scummy it hurts.
F. Greyblades told the dead man to stay dead and mute.
G. ATPG won at life at some point.

None of this is constructive. There is a medium case against Visor until he start giving us his info. Greyblades is meh, I have already stated my theory why I don't think he is scum.

That is all we have right now. It all comes down to what kind of info is Visor planning on giving us.

unless someone else comes out with a case against a person we haven't been focusing on.

Also, I am getting sick of all this info being hidden. This is what Visor told me when I asked him about this 10th faction.

"Hard to explain, but they are part of a two man faction. If they find each other, something bad will happen, I suspect they will win.

They are called the Lovers."

Loving the cryptic nature behind it.

Called a private message for a reason. Jeez.

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Called a private message for a reason. Jeez.

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Don't care. You got a solid case against you. Renata fooled me but I am not going to let you fool me as well if you are scum.

Okay then. Lynch me next day. (Or don't if I die this night.)

Throwing away your credits. How certain are you that I am scum?

I'll post all the evidence in the thread if I have to, to prove it, but it is a bad idea.

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Sounds slightly scummy, I assume you're going to get called out for it in-thread

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How right you were.

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Okay then. Lynch me next day. (Or don't if I die this night.)

Throwing away your credits. How certain are you that I am scum?

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I'm not certain. But have given no reason why you are not, so whatever.

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I'll post all the evidence in the thread if I have to, to prove it, but it is a bad idea.

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Then do it. Either you don't give us the evidence and die which is bad because you can't give your info out anymore, or you give us the evidence and something "bad" will happen.

What exactly is supposed to tip the balance in your favor?

Nothing will, I suppose. If the scum don't kill me, I'll probably be vigged by BL. I'm probably acting very scumlike.

Backwards Logic, ask questions if you have to. :bow:

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Originally Posted by Greyblades

Hey heres an idea jolt you're dead but you can still comment on what happens in thread, how about you toddle off into your grave read through the thread and don't come out until you actually have something.

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I had expressed doubts that MRD was Mafia and so it turned out he was a simple townie. So I had been the main person to advocate lynching Earthling and he turned out to be a joker role. Contrary to some, DE's revealing of scan results in the end was a very clear indication that he was Mafia, and I said it so, and it happened that he was. After it was revealed Renata was Mace Windu, I was one of the few people who put forward the possibility that even though DE had tried to incriminate Renata, that did not clear Renata off as a mafioso as she could be of a rival Mafia faction composed of Good people.
So far I have been pretty accurate in seeing what is going on.
Your behaviour is something in the thread. Your vote change from Earthling to mythmonster, when you did (After mythmonster advised voting for himself to avoid Earthling being lynched), and you turned your massive vote on Earthling to a 10 credit vote, not explaining anything but simply putting a smiley; that was it. Trying to maintain Earthling as a lynch bait (As he hadn't been lynched yet), and using a very unusual post to turn your vote on mythmonster, that sealed it right there for me. Every other post you make is oozing with scuminess. I had told Earthling I wasn't sure if he was Mafia, though something was definitely off with him. It turned out he was purposedly trying to kill himself and troll us into lynching/killing him. Comparatively, I say that your behaviour is a lot more like Mafia than him. A lot more. Thus why you need to be lynched pronto. And I'm pretty certain that you'll turn out mafioso.

Alright, finally got home from work. Tomorrow will be a longer day, but for now I'll try to reply to what I can.

I've gotten the info from Visor, and without divulging specifics I'm considering following the path to see where it leaves. It's plausible enough to consider, but details are vague. I'm not going to dismiss it entirely, but there's other avenues I also want to look at. The timing of this information coming about is dubious - just when there's heat turning up on Visor is when it all comes to light. Also in the message he asks me and others to vig or roleblock certain players, but there's no mention of a faction scan which is equally as effective and would also decisively reveal a tenth faction.

It's late, I got to sleep, and I got work early. My heads hurts thinking about all of the various angles here. If there's any vig killers out there, I'd like it if you'd privately contact me with your method of kill, your percentage chance to kill, and a list of suspects you personally wish to pursue. I'll hand out assignments sometime tomorrow if I can (I hope I have time...) and we'll go from there. No guarantees I can get around to it however.

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I've gotten the info from Visor, and without divulging specifics I'm considering following the path to see where it leaves. It's plausible enough to consider, but details are vague. I'm not going to dismiss it entirely, but there's other avenues I also want to look at. The timing of this information coming about is dubious - just when there's heat turning up on Visor is when it all comes to light. Also in the message he asks me and others to vig or roleblock certain players, but there's no mention of a faction scan which is equally as effective and would also decisively reveal a tenth faction.

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I believe we can't waste time.

I'll send you my thoughts. Reply when you have time.

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"Hard to explain, but they are part of a two man faction. If they find each other, something bad will happen, I suspect they will win.

They are called the Lovers."

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This is ridiculous. Plain and simple, hard to describe it better. Visorslash, if you think you're in need of time or other people's night actions urgently just trying to convince BL alone doesn't help the town in an honest effort, you wouldn't manage to collect enough people or get night actions orders sent in anyway, so if you are honestly thinking this is something urgent for the town provide more evidence to more people. Although I suppose I shouldn't really care about him wasting other people's time with distractions otherwise.

However I don't want to see Backwards Logic or somebody vig-killing or generally harming another Innocent, again, due to some nonsense, so if this ends up targeting someone other than some lurker or Visorslash himself then I'd like to hear about that in advance, who is supposedly targeted even if no one cares to give more me specifics. I really don't want to find out that someone followed a worthless and distracting vig attempt, theft, etc. on somebody useful and Innocent over a fake invented story of Visorslash's, though if Visorslash is accusing here random lurkers or someone like Chaotix that doesn't matter. Otherwise knock yourselves out I guess.

And you wonder why I didn't send it to you.

I'm gonna laugh so hard when I die you see I'm town. Gonna give you a lot of crap. :laugh4:

I will be laughing if the chaotics kill you too.

But if I get revived, people will trust me more than you. Maybe instead of criticising, you should come up with your own plans. What a novel idea at is.

And by come up, i mean come up with logical, useful plans.

My plans in the past were clearly better for the Innocents than anything anyone else did, even with such setbacks as getting screwed over on who we can revive, and my plans going forward are great too. No need to share things with the scum that would only help the scum is all. But getting you killed is certainly a positive step forward and all part of a successful plan, that if we follow with a modicum of rationality should lead to anti-chaotic victory.

Maybe the Knight who is always victorious is just a cover role for the Mad Hatter?

I'd like to know who the person who tipped off Chaotix is. :P

If there's anything to the business of the King/Queen of Hearts and some character(s) personal goals it's probably because Chaotix himself is one of them as someone already suggested, plus he could have learned whatever you yourself talked about with him in private. Though again if this scheme of whatever results in the death of you, Chaotix, and any other similar lurkers or unknowns over some vague personal goal business that is not a problem by me.

I'll have some time this arvo to go through the cards. I'll do it per faction?

@Backwards: I need the item that I gave you last night for my PG. It's my starting item. I need to perform its action successfully once, to complete my PG, but I didn't bother to use it yet because I only had 10% to succeed. You can help me raising these odds. :beam:

To others, I don't know if that sounds suspicious, but like other Evil PGs I believe, I have to use my starting item successfully once, and I'd rather not tell what it does so the Chaotics won't know what to expect.

This post is merely here so I don't break the rules by claiming my PG privately to BL (without doing so first in this thread).