vote: Jarema. Still posting without any reasons and happy to follow anyone else's arguments.
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vote: Jarema. Still posting without any reasons and happy to follow anyone else's arguments.
Yes.
I suck at game with no reveals. Honestly, my death would not be a big lost for a town
vote: Jarema. Looking back over D2 made me somewhat suspicious of him, namely his initial OMGUS vote and then changing his vote to Montmorency because of a joke post.
Haha, nice write up.
Also, I would like to thank the mafia for doing the favor of killing me :). More D3 time!
Ok then. vote:JaremaQuote:
Originally Posted by Jarema
A clueless townie is still better than a dead townie, because he keeps the scum a phase further away from winning.
Vote: Autolycus
Autolycus (LazyMcCrow, DaveShack, Jarema)
Jarema (BSmith, Ishamel, SalmonSoil)
Send in rock paper scissors orders. And a backup as well.
Just remembered that Autolycus won't be back until 29/30th.
Sigh. RNG it is.
Jarema: Rock, Paper
Autolycus: 1.scissors
2.rock
3.paper
Autolycus has been lynched. Night orders in.
Yeah!
I am real killer!
face+palmQuote:
Originally Posted by Visorslash
And you know Jarema is a townie how?Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveShack
LYNCH OR LOSE TIME PRETTY MUCH. YOU MAY WANT TO PARTICIPATE.
BSmith was killed.
DaveShack was exploded into a million pieces.
Alive 5/17:
2. LazyMcCrow
8. Atheotes
11. SalmonSoil
13. Jarema
15. Ishmael
Dead 12/17:
16. Askthepizzaguy, killed by duel D1.
17. Chaotix, killed N1.
4. Montmorency, killed in duel D2.
10. Nightbringer, killed in duel D2.
5. Rickinator9, killed N2.
14. edse, lynched D3.
9. Zaccino, killed N3.
3. Arjos, lynched D4.
12. Alsark, killed N4.
7. Autolycus, died in a duel D5.
1. BSmith, killed N5.
6. DaveShack, exploded N5.
I maintain my previous suspicions.
vote: Jarema
SalmonSoil and Ishmael are guilty.
Join me in death.
SalmonSoil's only D1 contribution. Waits, posts basically nothing, doesn't move his vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by SalmonSoil
Votes for Jarema who is still alive = Mafia ESP.
Ishmael's D1 contribution:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishmael
He votes, and he also votes for someone who is still alive. = Mafia ESP.
Atheotes is a less-active punching bag for the mafia. To draw votes and not be a threat to them.
Taking Monty seriously = scumtell. No one takes Monty seriously, especially Monty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishmael
I hope you get nightmares.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishmael
Salmon's D2 contribution.Quote:
Originally Posted by SalmonSoil
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Mafia will want to be on one of the wagons that involve 2 people, to keep themselves from dying in this circumstance. Salmon and Jarema are the two survivors who are second on the wagon.
2. LazyMcCrow- 1st on a wagon
8. Atheotes- 1st on a wagon
11. SalmonSoil- 2nd on a wagon = likely to be guilty
13. Jarema- 2nd on a wagon, same.
15. Ishmael- voted after the 2-person wagons were established, thus not choosing between any of the candidates = scummy.
That's why Salmon and Ishmael are scummy. Salmon made sure neither one of them were in danger, Ishmael failed to decide the round.
Salmon's D3. Same pattern, a vote with not much else, and risks very little in terms of causing controversy or attention on himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by SalmonSoil
Salmon's D4. Attempts to make himself look better than lazy because lazy was too lazy to vote. It's a subtle "get the bad townie" action where town is behaving badly to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by SalmonSoil
Indicates he's trying to keep his nose cleaner than yours, for appearance sake. Of course, he's voting, which should be a threat to scums, and he's not getting lynched, which is a bigger threat to scums. Why didn't the scums murder him by now?
Ishmael returns with easy vote on the game-long punching bag, Jarema.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishmael
Smells like genuine suspicion, or an all-too-easy vote, to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by SalmonSoil
I'm dead and have been longer than any of you, and he stinks worse than my corpse does.
This vote tries to kill Jarema. (MOTIVE- REALLY WANTS TO SEE JAREMA DIE!!! THIS IS NOT A DISTANCING VOTE!!!)
This vote also ties up the round, and then Autolycus dies, and he was innocent since this is lynch or lose, not tomorrow.
Jarema the easy punching bag for Ishmael and SalmonSoil, neither of whom wants to see the other dead.
Now......... you will listen to me and bring me the head of SalmonSoil immediately.
When you survive another round, you'll bring me Ishmael's head.
I will do vile and unspeakable things to both heads. As a zombie, hungry for evil flesh, you can count on that much.
Then, and only then, will you deserve the ending that comes.
You seem to have ignored the role of the serial killer.
There are not two Mafia.Quote:
This basically means that I can specify delay to my kills. All of you will die just when the game seems won.
Dead 12/17:Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
16. Askthepizzaguy, killed by duel D1.
17. Chaotix, killed N1.
4. Montmorency, killed in duel D2.
10. Nightbringer, killed in duel D2.
5. Rickinator9, killed N2.
14. edse, lynched D3.
9. Zaccino, killed N3.
3. Arjos, lynched D4.
12. Alsark, killed N4.
7. Autolycus, died in a duel D5.
1. BSmith, killed N5.
6. DaveShack, exploded N5.
N5 was the only night with more than one kill. It's probable the explosion was a delayed kill, and the SK is already dead.
The SK didn't have much of an impact on the game because the SK hasn't been killing all game, which means town either lynched or the mafia murdered said SK a while back.
There are two mafia, and you probably were the serial killer and had zero respect for the role you were given as usual.
Remember this tally, this is the tally that has all of the meaning.Quote:
2 Jarema (Alsark, BSmith)
2 Nightbringer (Lazy, SalmonSoil)
1 Alsark (Autolycus)
2 DaveShack (Arjos, rickinator9)
1 Arjos (Atheotes)
2 Montmorency (Edse, Jarema)
1 Autolycus (Montmorency)
1 Rickinator9 (Zack)
1 Edse (Ishmael)
1 SalmonSoil (Nightbringer)
Ishmael is not one of the vote-getters. Ishmael and SalmonSoil fail to get much in the way of pressure or votes all game. Which means the mafia and the town are both not really voting for them. So why are they alive?
Note also that SalmonSoil and Ishmael have both conspired to get Jarema lynched throughout the game. Both want him dead, indicating he's neither of their partners, which means that under the circumstances, if Jarema were guilty, Salmon or Ishmael would have been murdered by now. Hell, he'd have murdered any of you folks trying to lynch him by now.
Ishmael's late vote here in the above tally is to get a vote down and intentionally does not decide the tie! It reeks of cowardice that no townie should ever have. He deserves death for that ALONE, never mind his lousy vote record.
Salmon votes often, never gives much in the way of reasons, and given how his vote has been all over the place, he should have been considered a THREAT to the mafia by now. Yet the mafia continue to choose not to murder him, even though he's not in much danger of a lynch.
Who remains besides Ishmael and SalmonSoil?
Atheotes who is always a target of suspicion, doesn't speak much. Possibility of not voting in a round.
Jarema, the appointed scapegoat of the game, who is unsympathetic and will likely draw votes. Target of my two top suspects for the lynch, easiest vote.
LazyMcCrow, who has also been beating up on Jarema for a while.
Does Jarema really look guilty? Everyone has been trying to kill him except atheotes. So let's explore that option next.
Atheotes has been voting mainly for Arjos. As such, he was no threat to the scums all game. He's not said or done much else. This also fits his usual style of doing his own thing and trying to get his suspects lynched, but with a minimum of "I accuse you, because...".
Difference between him and SalmonSoil is that Salmon's vote has been all over the place, trying to control and influence the rounds. Atheotes seems to not give a poop what happens, no matter who is under pressure. Which indicates that Salmon has more to lose.
Atheotes' vote for Arjos is probably why Arjos and Atheotes were both kept around for so long. No threat to the scum and were likely to keep themselves divided.
Atheotes didn't break pattern which means he never had an interest in resolving the round a certain way, as a scum likely might. He was also no threat to Ishmael or SalmonSoil. I don't see collusion and I don't see scummy interest in deciding the round.
But there's a difference between Atheotes and Ishmael. As you saw, ishmael failed to decide a round as well. But that's breaking pattern, here, Ishmael obviously does want to decide a round. He just didn't want to decide a round that resulted in the death of a townie during the middlegame and waited until the rest of yall voted to place his completely ineffective on purpose vote down.
Atheotes dogged a suspect all game, which shows intent to kill. Ishmael DODGED responsibility for a lynch, which shows intent to survive. That's the difference in behavior.
Atheotes isn't scum because of his behavior pattern which indicates noninterest, and single-minded consistency. Not usually indicative of scum because scum need to live IN THE MOMENT of each particular round.
Jarema is not scum because everyone wants him dead and he's a likely lynch, and he's not effective at persuading others to follow his cases at times.
LazyMcCrow is the wildcard because he's one of the more talkative people this game.
He voted for Autolycus, Nightbringer, Jarema (again, not Jarema's partner... and Jarema voted him back), and on that round, Lazy was going to end up being probably the lynch, but SalmonSoil came back and pushed Edse over the edge. But, Salmon then came back and voted for Lazy on the very next round, for "being active but not voting" which is a killing sentence.
That's not a "oooooo let me distance myself from my partner" thats "kill this man", loosely translated from my mafia-english dictionary.
Lazy is not Salmon's partner.
Jarema is not Salmon's partner.
Atheotes is too consistent. I don't believe it is him.
As such, SalmonSoil absolutely positively has to die. I didn't throw my weight around this entire game, but he cannot be allowed to survive the game. Period.
Ishmael is basically just as guilty, for his own reasons, plus the fact that he's Salmon's most likely snuggle bunny. They didn't even distance themselves from each other, or talk to each other... they ignored each other's existence.
The silence is deafening. They're talking to each other, but not here. On the scum topic.
Now die vanquished, foul oppressors, and remember thy conqueror.
He murdered me!Quote:
Hell, he'd have murdered any of you folks trying to lynch him by now.
Think of it as a way for you to retire without having to worry about a pension. The man did you a favor and you repay him with your vile and false suspicions. HOW DARE YOU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
For the purposes of WIFOM, I am Jarema's partner. How did you brilliant people manage to lynch me round one? You smart townies have foiled me again!
It hurts. It really does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Ah, and arguments on SalmonSoil seems valid.
Of course I know that if you were scum ATPG you would probably easily convince me into voting for someone innocent.
But this analysis seems so valid.
Vote: SalmonSoil
Actually I tried that nonsense on you the last time I was scum and it didn't work. You voted for the scumbag then, too.
Remember this one gameQuote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I was then 99% sure you were mafia :D
So was most everyone else, but they were dead so what did it matter. Only voting people count.
Right, living townies?
*blinks*
Pizza, I am...impressed with your analysis. It's completely wrong of course, at least with regards to me, but I appreciate the time you put into that. I was going to run with your suspicions and vote for Salmonsoil, but it occurred to me that most of your 'evidence' against him was because of him apparently buddying with me, which obviously isn't all that convincing (not to mention, a dead mafioso could easily waste the next couple of lynches by posting such a helpful, must-be-townie analysis).
As to the above, I've been trying to moderate my smiley usage. I would have thought it would be obvious I was playing along with the joke based on my earlier comment that I would forward the SK PM to Montmorency, but perhaps you missed that (or deliberately overlooked it; see 'ATPG is a mafioso,' above).Quote:
Originally Posted by AskthepizzaguyTaking Monty seriously = scumtell. No one takes Monty seriously, especially Monty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishmael
*flinch*Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishmael
Pizza, I am.... very glad you're dead. You completely nailed me of course, at least with regards to me, but your devastating analysis aside, I'm going to win the game anyway. I was going to humor you and bus my scum-buddy, but I realized that I can in no way possibly do that because I'd be next on the chopping block. As such, I'm going to continue to vote for the OBVIOUSLY TOWNIE Jarema, whether it be one "r" or two in his name, it matters not. I am not convinced by your analysis, even though I allegedly thought about voting for SalmonSoil, but I can't do that because it frightens me to think of his death, or my own. Also, and here's the kicker, all of a sudden, you Pizzaguy are a mafioso.
Yeah, that's it. That's how I'll weasel out of this one.
It always makes my heart aflutter whenever I see a scumbag so caught and so dripping with guilt. Call me scumbag, eh? I've found my white whale.
From hell's heart, I stab at thee, and gnaw on your meaty legs because I'm a hungry little zombie and you so desperately need to DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok Pizza, whilst I appreciate your lengthy analysis, I just checked and I'm not scum.
Now I know that lots of analysis is your style, but I find it hard to see why a townie murdered on night one would still care enough about the game to post such a hefty analysis this late. Its possible, but not likely. I just want everyone to keep that in mind when using Pizzas analysis.
So seeing as you are probably scum, who are you protecting? The obvious conclusion is that Jarema is your buddy, but seeing as town has only has two lynches left and you are providing two "obvious" lynches, it could be any of the other 3 players. Also to facilitate your two lynch plan you ignore the possibility that one scum may have already been lynched.
Now lets look at Jarema. Notice that the only time he came dangerously close to being lynched (other than the 4 way draw, which seems like more of a fluke seeing as it was on day 2), Bsmith, who voted for him, died the next night. But that seems like a risky scum move, so I dunno.
I agree that Atheotes has been probably too consistent to be scum. Which could also be a great cover if your scum buddy points it out for everyone. He has also been pretty successful at avoiding being targeted by anyone.
I just don't really know about Lazy, like you said he is a wild card.
Ishmael I'll ignore seeing as I think you are scum Pizza, and you clearly tried to incriminate him. Also most of your analysis was based around him being my buddy, which he isn't. However he has been keeping his head suspiciously low.
I'll start with vote: Atheotes because I think your being overly defensive of Jarema is probably just an attempt to cosy up to him and make him more likely to vote with you and your fellow scum. Of course, if someone is willing to make themselves more suspicious for me...
Wow. Just wow. Ishmael is so scum. The only people I'm even feeling vaguely certain are/were town are pizza and jarema right now. Not sure about SalmOnsoil, but dude, your last post about not thinking atheotes is scum... And then voting atheotes? Wtf? I think it's pretty obvious From his flinch that Ishmael is scum, but your panic-voting makes it easy to fulfil pizzas request to deliver the fishy head of vote: Salmonsoil