I am the definition of agnostic. If you disagree with this, you are either a theist or an atheist.
OMG @LittleGrizzly. Loooooong time no see. How are you m8?
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I am the definition of agnostic. If you disagree with this, you are either a theist or an atheist.
OMG @LittleGrizzly. Loooooong time no see. How are you m8?
yup. some people can only see the scientific method and jargon of proof as the only way to talk about things in the "world". but ye its hard to get out of your box.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
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Originally Posted by InsaneApache
LOL what is it with you? you just take a definition of a word and completely twist it. look it up, it is a REJECTION of belief, first and foremost. read my post. Then read up about SKEPTICISM, and the fact that REJECTING TRUTH is just as DOGMATIC and as much a BELIEF as ACCEPTING TRUTH. Having no belief is SKEPTICISM.
Do not confuse the neutral use of belief, with the more coloured and day to day use of belief, which is better defined as religious faith or a religious wordlview.
Yes, it seems brainwashing is almost as extraordinary as stubbornly walking through life making up things as you go.
my first thought would be Agnost. But after rereading its probably a very very weak position of Atheism (because you are just playing a trick on yourself, you don't actually have real doubt and thus you do not really believe in the possibility of turning into an eagle or there being a god, you are pretending, whether to yourself or to other people i dont know). In general, rejection = atheism, acceptance = theism, postponing judgment = agnosticism and there is another one, indifference = apatheismQuote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
in the end the debate about whether or not god exists is mostly an epistemological problem, so all the problems about justification, skepticism, induction and deduction apply.
LOL What is it with you asking what it is to be is it? Belief is the opposite of atheism man. Go read God Delusion and 420 blaze it every day if you want to know what enlightenment actually is. Go live in your Dark Age mentality bro, the only brainwashed are the theists who think that Jesus actually existed. :daisy: the free world, science can explain everything cuz Carl Sagan did just that on Cosmos. Maybe there is no tv besides Bible TV Channel in your house?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
read my post please? There is a neutral version of the word belief, that is the word i am using. Atheism is not "not having a belief that there is a god" it is "having the belief that there is no god".Quote:
Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name
I'm not even a theist, so I do not know what dark age mentality you are talking about, except what you are showing now, denouncing other people as heretics and ignorants basically because they say something you havent heard of. And jumping to conclusions you know nothing about. I'm an atheist in the strict sense of the word, though it doesnt matter in this discussion what my personal convictions are.
I'm writing a thesis on this subject, i know what i am talking about. Instead of being a jerk, maybe you should read some stuff, i can recommend wikipedia to start with, its easy and clear and you dont need to read past the first chapter to see you are wrong. Then if you are still interested I can give you some more advanced lecture.
"I'm writing a thesis on this subject, i know what i am talking about."
If everyone writing a thesis would have a clue, the world would look very different.
That was just a horribly bad argument.
it would be if this was not a matter of definitions. but yes, i agree that the knowing part does not follow from the writing part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV
Dude, I'm so sorry but I was just joking with you. My post was so over the top, I thought it was obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
Yeah, science is just another opinion!
lol i had a feeling when i reread it that it might be a joke, but in my defense ive heard similar responses before so i wasnt too surprised. i dont visit the backroom too often so i dont really know what many peoples views are.Quote:
Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name
Other people have legitimately told you that Jesus wasn't real and to smoke pot every day?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
when did you tell me to smoke pot :O i missed that part. and i dont care if jesus was real or not, just don't fk up your definitions is all i ask for :PQuote:
Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name
420 blazer ~:smoking:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
Well at this very moment terrible, the ravages of man flu are taking me down. This combined with having a new carpet fitted from this morning, which involves far too much hitting of things with heavy objects for me liking means I have a lovely headache as well...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd
In the long run okay though, still alive and all my limbs are fully functional. How about you?
my first thought would be Agnost. But after rereading its probably a very very weak position of Atheism (because you are just playing a trick on yourself, you don't actually have real doubt and thus you do not really believe in the possibility of turning into an eagle or there being a god, you are pretending, whether to yourself or to other people i dont know).
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The Eagle one is possibly to extreme to get my point across, if I were to change it to a football (soccer) one then for example San Marino winning the world cup. Nobody can say with 100% certainty that San Marino will never win the world cup but with the possibility remaining so slim that you would almost call it a certainty..
i guess ur in a grey area, but probably closer to a weak version of atheism than to agnosticism, so you would be an agnostic atheist and leave open the possibility that if we could find out more about the matter than you or others could be proven wrong.
You actually spend brain power on this non-issue? If You go back a load of posts You will see me writing something along the lines of "I am probably technically agnostic, but for all intents and purposes You might as well view me as atheist".Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
Kind of summed it up AGES ago.
Why are we spending brain power on this absolute NON-issue? I don't think ANYONE here say that there are absolutely no possibility for some sort of god. The worst You will find on this forum is people asking You to prove the existence of YOUR god before trying to change their lives and thinking in his name.
was it a response to you? no. littlegrizzley actually asked a serious question, so he got a serious answer. and Insane Apache just used the entire wrong definition of atheism so if you are so clever that you can read a dictionary and use the words atheism and agnosticism correct, then good for you, here is a cookie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV
This is just like a discussion of who is the true communist; Stalin, Mao or Trotskij.
Thank you for bringing up bad memories from my radical days.
Bastards.
Result: They were all less communist than You?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
Thanks for the answer, I kind of imagined my position as a weak atheist one just wanted to know what others would class it as.
When did we start capitalizing the word "you"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV
Also, leftist discussions have no result, they never end. No true leftie will ever admit to agreeing with a fellow leftie. Ever.
Good question....Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
Lets face it. English is a stupid language.
There is no egg in the eggplant
No ham in the hamburger
And neither pine nor apple in the pineapple.
English muffins were not invented in England
French fries were not invented in France.
We sometimes take English for granted,
But if we examine its paradoxes we find that:
Quicksand takes you down slowly
Boxing rings are square
And a guinea pig is neither from Guinea nor is it a pig.
If writers write, how come fingers don't fing.
If the plural of tooth is teeth
Shouldn't the plural of phone booth be phone beeth
If the teacher taught,
Why didn't the preacher praught.
If a vegetarian eats vegetables
What the heck does a humanitarian eat!?
Why do people recite at a play
Yet play at a recital?
Park on driveways and
Drive on parkways
How can the weather be as hot as hell on one day
And as cold as hell on another
You have to marvel at the unique lunacy
Of a language where a house can burn up as
It burns down
And in which you fill in a form
By filling it out
And a bell is only heard once it goes!
English was invented by people, not computers
And it reflects the creativity of the human race
(Which of course isn't a race at all)
That is why:
When the stars are out they are visible
But when the lights are out they are invisible
And why it is that when I wind up my watch
It starts
But when I wind up this poem
It ends.
This last discussion reminded me of something we did back in the good old days... about 10 years ago. (Damn I have been on these boards a long time)
Also, did you notice that we discussed these things in the entrance hall?
The thread is gone from the backroom.. as the link in my post is dead. We quite exhaustedly debated theism vs atheism vs agnosticism and would be a great source for you Stranger.
Maybe it could be salvaged from some old backup? its way back in 2003.
what was the link with communism? :P
"No true leftie will ever admit to agreeing with a fellow leftie. Ever." Part of the job description.
I was going to make a quip about failing to see the value in a topic on atheism/theism I hadn't contributed to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd
Seems the Backroom was waiting for me even then.
(I jest, but it says something about the change in make up of the forum).
I was going to make a quip about failing to see the value in a topic on atheism/theism I hadn't contributed to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd
Seems the Backroom was waiting for me even then.
(I jest, but it says something about the change in make up of the forum).
FIFYQuote:
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla