Kingdoms Teutonic Hotseat: The Frozen North (completed, winner Visorslash)

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Originally Posted by Myth

Fortunately for me your stacks are still sub-par compared to my own.

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You keep saying that, but look what good your men are doing my massive amounts of men. :D Massive command stars kick everything into the ground.

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Regarding the rebel Kiev, I could have made a deal with Thanatos to deny you these settlements instead of us fighting while you ate them up quietly.

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Elaborate on this please. But again, I was your ally, why would you make that deal to hinder your ally, and help a neutral?

Aargh, curse my inferiority in auto-resolve

HRE

I have a maxed out general that Monkey has to deal with atm. My men ARE better, you are just beating them with superior numbers. Given the chance, I'll cut trough those militia units like so much butter. Unfortunately there is only so much one can do with limited territories.

Ally yes but you have always been a reluctant one, answering slowly and only really defending your own cause. Stating "peace is great" a while back really got me thinking that you were in it for yourself. A true ally I've had in the face of slysnake who sacrificed armies, income and settlements for our combined cause. You also ended up preparing (over the course of several turns most likely) a massive ambush and backstab on me, so it seems you were not quite as friendly for a longer period of time, not when our war started.

Having Thanatos contest your rebel provinces would have had him off my back and would have ensured that an untrustworthy player does not get too large. Would that I had known not to trust you back then, I would have made sure this would happen. It is my experience that diplomacy in hotseats can win wars all on it's own. But what's done is done and we will finish this game. I take it from you quitting CoG! that you'll be stepping down from the hotseat scene?

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I have a maxed out general that Monkey has to deal with atm. My men ARE better, you are just beating them with superior numbers. Given the chance, I'll cut trough those militia units like so much butter. Unfortunately there is only so much one can do with limited territories.

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Well, that's why I play carefully. I don't let you get a chance to take on on my armies. I fight the battles on my terms. That's why I haven't suffered a catastrophic loss in this game.

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Ally yes but you have always been a reluctant one, answering slowly and only really defending your own cause. Stating "peace is great" a while back really got me thinking that you were in it for yourself. A true ally I've had in the face of slysnake who sacrificed armies, income and settlements for our combined cause. You also ended up preparing (over the course of several turns most likely) a massive ambush and backstab on me, so it seems you were not quite as friendly for a longer period of time, not when our war started.

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If I truly was in it for myself, why would I help fight Lithuania? Both myself and Slysnake helped each other with income, though I never had a diplomat with you, nor was in a position to aid like Sly did. My preparation? Two turns. One turn to move my army into positions, the next turn to attack. It wasn't planned. Phonics just approached me, I said okay, and did it. I had two turns, and I did what I could with them.

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Having Thanatos contest your rebel provinces would have had him off my back and would have ensured that an untrustworthy player does not get too large. Would that I had known not to trust you back then, I would have made sure this would happen. It is my experience that diplomacy in hotseats can win wars all on it's own. But what's done is done and we will finish this game. I take it from you quitting CoG! that you'll be stepping down from the hotseat scene?

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I already had most of the rebel provinces under target, so it wouldn't have helped much. Besides, you were looking too powerful most likely. And yes, I will be.

You are fighting battles on your terms because I'm throwing stacks at you to keep you Northside. Once you come around my main recruitment centers I'll have the advantage, forts, units and all. Hopefully you don't have Trebuchets already.

If Lithuania took out the TO they would have had enough castles and gold from the sacking to make decent AR stacks with their AP axemen and extra infantry. You letting them take me out would have been directly detrimental to your position in the mainland. Also Thanatos Eclipse is not a player to be taken lightly under any circumstances. So yes I do think you fought Lithuania because of your own reasons and not because of some great love for the Teutonic Order and their humble general :laugh4:

So why are you quitting hotseats? Will it be permanent or temporary?

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If Lithuania took out the TO they would have had enough castles and gold from the sacking to make decent AR stacks with their AP axemen and extra infantry. You letting them take me out would have been directly detrimental to your position in the mainland. Also Thanatos Eclipse is not a player to be taken lightly under any circumstances. So yes I do think you fought Lithuania because of your own reasons and not because of some great love for the Teutonic Order and their humble general

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I actually had no interest in fighting Lithuania for land/better position. But you started losing, so I decided to be a good ally.

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So why are you quitting hotseats? Will it be permanent or temporary?

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Permanent, most likely. At least for the immediate future.

Could I have a 48 hour extension please? :)

sure, no problem

Norway is up :)

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I'm not the lowest ranking living faction anymore? Wow. :dizzy2:

The perfidious Denmark

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local...id=205&id=9636

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Originally Posted by Zim

I'm not the lowest ranking living faction anymore? Wow. :dizzy2:

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You're doing a good job of holding off the Danes.

I've done absolutely nothing but take a couple crappy settlements and set up an abortive raid on a better one. ~;p

The larger war has likely prevented him from responding with the type of force he needed to root me out. With the HRE apparently having trouble that may not last.

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Originally Posted by phonicsmonkey

You're doing a good job of holding off the Danes.

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Originally Posted by Zim

I've done absolutely nothing but take a couple crappy settlements and set up an abortive raid on a better one. ~;p

The larger war has likely prevented him from responding with the type of force he needed to root me out. With the HRE apparently having trouble that may not last.

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You've managed to take Skara I believe, Goteborg and Kalmar, but they're all going to be back under my control. All except Kalmar were crappy. :tongue:. You're right, I haven't been able to respond with the force I need, which is changing now, thankfully. HRE kinda took a slump with the loss of pretty much all their homeland and their recent military loss.

Palanga is under siege. Kalmar is under siege (a mistake there allowed me to do extra damage to the army inside, as well as make sure your new general doesn't survive :mellow:). Siauluai falls. Conrad Windeck and his army has rebelled (:beam:). The Order's navy has sunk, I believe I'm the only nation with ships now :laugh4:.

TO up!

http://www.sendspace.com/file/nh0cnt

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You're doing a good job of holding off the Danes.

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To be honest, I've barely attacked him. It's been a stalemate in Scandanavia due to my lack of forces, and I took Abo off him with an attack, so I've only really attacked him in the Abo area. :tongue:

What kind of mistake? I'm not sure how an army in a settlement can be "damaged" before the settlement is assaulted, unless the new general was beaten and retreated to a tile next to Kalmar.

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Originally Posted by Visorslash

Palanga is under siege. Kalmar is under siege (a mistake there allowed me to do extra damage to the army inside, as well as make sure your new general doesn't survive :mellow:). Siauluai falls. Conrad Windeck and his army has rebelled (:beam:). The Order's navy has sunk, I believe I'm the only nation with ships now :laugh4:.

TO up!

http://www.sendspace.com/file/nh0cnt



To be honest, I've barely attacked him. It's been a stalemate in Scandanavia due to my lack of forces, and I took Abo off him with an attack, so I've only really attacked him in the Abo area. :tongue:

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That general going rebel with half my forces near the central front put the nail in the coffin. The game is lost, but i'll play it out. Mongols up.

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Originally Posted by Myth

That general going rebel with half my forces near the central front put the nail in the coffin.

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No! Hard luck mate, you were on a decent run.

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Originally Posted by Myth

That general going rebel with half my forces near the central front put the nail in the coffin. The game is lost, but i'll play it out. Mongols up.

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That's why low loyalty generals are bad. I generally don't use less ones with less then 4 in my armies, just too risky. I killed off my two one loyalty generals, well got Sly to kill em.

Unlucky there though. (Not trying to be harsh).

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What kind of mistake? I'm not sure how an army in a settlement can be "damaged" before the settlement is assaulted, unless the new general was beaten and retreated to a tile next to Kalmar.

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Used an almost fully depleted unit to siege Kalmar, as I saw your general trying to escape, then I used what I could, beat that general who then retreated to a tile next to Kalmar, then used the rest of the army to attack the general (with the depleted unit disbanded) and it brings in the army inside the settlement into the fight. Won that easily, and Kalmar is under siege.

Sorry Myth, but what happened to Argudhun the Merciless? He was supposed to be immune from attack because he was immobilised on my turn under the rules. But he appears to have disappeared. If he rebelled that's fine but I can't tell from the save because of the fog of war.

https://i201.photobucket.com/albums/...ytw/0170-1.jpg

I had to use him, I was fresh out of generals back then, and units left to themselves rebel as well. You'll see up North that there is a stack of 2-3 Order Spearmen who turned rebel on me right in the middle of my clash with Lithuania.

I couldn't accept an adoption (I was offered a NF general and really wanted him). Apparently there is some sort of hardcoded limit of the generals that can be on the map. If other nations all get too many the others can scarcely replace their losses. I believe that's what happened to Cecil and his Novgorod too.

Monkey I killed that general. So sorry. I'll replay the turn. When I played I thought he was some reinforcement and that your troops had all retreated in that castle a bit to the North.

That TO Hochmeister model is looking awesome btw.

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Originally Posted by Myth

Apparently there is some sort of hardcoded limit of the generals that can be on the map.

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Really? This would explain some weirdness I've experienced in other games. Where did you read this, or are you just guessing?

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Originally Posted by Myth

Monkey I killed that general. So sorry.

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*shakes fist* :clown:

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Originally Posted by Myth

That TO Hochmeister model is looking awesome btw.

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Yeah, he's badass.

Mine is an english general (the hochmeister). :sad:

On the general thingy. A turn ago, I was offered an adoption, and I accepted it, but it was unable to be completed. This turn, I had an adoption, accepted, suceeded, and gained two generals from MOTH as well.

MOTH is working for me as well, but adoptions have been failing more often than not. You probably got a general because I lost one (due to him turning rebel). BTW the model looks the same for me as well, but this is my second Hochmeister. The first one looked like a vanilla general for me as well, but since this guy inherited the title I suppose the game figured it out and gave him the proper model. You could see him too, but you'd have to have vision over monkey's lands.

As far as the limit on generals, I did not read this anywhere but I've observe it happen here and in UOTI and even GA. When everyone starts making stacks of adopted generals because they have low recruitment pools it tends to happen. Just my observation though.

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Originally Posted by Myth

I'll replay the turn.

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You're going to send me a new link, right?

I completely forgot about this last night. I can play it tonight, though if you want you can skip my turn (but then I'd probably ask slysnake for us to throw the towel)

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Originally Posted by Myth

I completely forgot about this last night. I can play it tonight, though if you want you can skip my turn (but then I'd probably ask slysnake for us to throw the towel)

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Nah, tonight is fine.

New save, now with more living Mongol generals!

HRE is up

Norway up :)

EDIT (correct save): Attachment 2952

Zim?

Now Norway will finally die.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local...id=205&id=9650

http://www.sendspace.com/file/nscjgw

Norway is dead. Koenigsberg is under siege. TO up.

Good game ZIm, you pet up a good fight.

Mongol stack besieging my castle has been defeated. Mongols up.

That link doesn't work, can you please send me another?

Sure, the .org was having a hiccup last night when I tried to upload, maybe it's that.

anytime you want to send me a new link would be just fine :clown:

Here you go.

HRE is up

Denmark - Attachment 3016

Another Ordenmarschall bites the dust.

Marienburg under siege.

TO up!

http://www.sendspace.com/file/7o14go

How'd you get trough the forts? Did you have catapults?

No need. :D

You left Ordenmarschall outside the settlement.

But there were forts that were supposed to block your passage to him! Plus, if you defeated him in battle he should have retreated instead of being killed outright :shrug:

I don't even know what happened. I must have forgot to click "build fort"... Anyway Mongols up.

HRE is up

by the way I can't believe I got to the last four in this game. I put it down to 1) being in the corner, 2) having rubbish settlements that no-one wants and 3) treachery

I think I'v just played my least eventful turn in a while lol..

Denmark up Attachment 3043

And your last one.

Hamburg, Bialystok and Baranavichy captured. HRE destroyed. Marienburg and Danzig captured. Myth, I've decided to give you a chance to beat my four armies.

TO up!

And then there were three.

Good game Slysnake, you were a good ally when we were allied.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/qw4l6g

Well played sly, sorry I was such a terrible ally!

Good game guys. I knew sending my main stacks to the far east without the funds to build a new stack in the west was a bad idea from the start! I should have sacked some of those juicy Mongolian towns and cities a little earlier lol >.<

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Originally Posted by Visorslash

And your last one.

Hamburg, Bialystok and Baranavichy captured. HRE destroyed. Marienburg and Danzig captured. Myth, I've decided to give you a chance to beat my four armies.

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How very generous of you baiting me into a deathtrap. I might have made mistakes with my forts this game but I'm not a lunatic - I can't 1v4 your stacks. Instead I think I shall try and kill me a Monkey. Mongols up.

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Originally Posted by Myth

Instead I think I shall try and kill me a Monkey.

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You have to catch me first!

This might take me longer than the full time limit I'm afraid - I'm working the next two nights

found some time!

Danes

You probably didn't siege the city did you? You'll wait for the Danes to come by and help your stack. No matter we'll see how far I can go.

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Originally Posted by Myth

You probably didn't siege the city did you? You'll wait for the Danes to come by and help your stack. No matter we'll see how far I can go.

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It would have been a bit silly to siege the city with your army of death bearing down on me. But don't make the mistake of thinking I'm just gonna sit still and wait for the Danes either.

Whatever, the forces you're amassing in the East won't be enough. It will be impossible to eliminate you anyway as Visor can just gift you some village in Scandinavia to keep you alive. I'll just go on a spree.

King Knud proclaims victory!

https://img266.imageshack.us/img266/8021/victoryr.png

Congratulations to King Traitor... I mean Knud :clown:

Well played Visor. If nothing else, you took out Ignoramus's Novgorod, who would have otherwise been an immense pain in me arse, seeing as how he wants to kill me in every game :laugh4:

You deserved to win because you made no glaring and obvious mistakes and played your cards right. Though If you ever come back to play a hotseat I'll make sure to not trust you! And possibly get you 4v1ed like a certain ERE in a certain SS game :laugh4:

Well done Visor! Darn it you deprived me of an allied victory!

Well at least I can claim joint second place which is probably a good outcome for the Mongols in this mod...

Thanks for the game everyone, it was really fun!

It was very back and forth, I enjoyed it and learned a lot from it.