Kingdoms Teutonic Hotseat: The Frozen North (completed, winner Visorslash)

[Visor]

Fortunately for me your stacks are still sub-par compared to my own.

You keep saying that, but look what good your men are doing my massive amounts of men. :D Massive command stars kick everything into the ground.

Regarding the rebel Kiev, I could have made a deal with Thanatos to deny you these settlements instead of us fighting while you ate them up quietly.

Elaborate on this please. But again, I was your ally, why would you make that deal to hinder your ally, and help a neutral?

[phonicsmonkey]

Aargh, curse my inferiority in auto-resolve

HRE

[Myth]

I have a maxed out general that Monkey has to deal with atm. My men ARE better, you are just beating them with superior numbers. Given the chance, I'll cut trough those militia units like so much butter. Unfortunately there is only so much one can do with limited territories.

Ally yes but you have always been a reluctant one, answering slowly and only really defending your own cause. Stating "peace is great" a while back really got me thinking that you were in it for yourself. A true ally I've had in the face of slysnake who sacrificed armies, income and settlements for our combined cause. You also ended up preparing (over the course of several turns most likely) a massive ambush and backstab on me, so it seems you were not quite as friendly for a longer period of time, not when our war started.

Having Thanatos contest your rebel provinces would have had him off my back and would have ensured that an untrustworthy player does not get too large. Would that I had known not to trust you back then, I would have made sure this would happen. It is my experience that diplomacy in hotseats can win wars all on it's own. But what's done is done and we will finish this game. I take it from you quitting CoG! that you'll be stepping down from the hotseat scene?

[Visor]

I have a maxed out general that Monkey has to deal with atm. My men ARE better, you are just beating them with superior numbers. Given the chance, I'll cut trough those militia units like so much butter. Unfortunately there is only so much one can do with limited territories.

Well, that's why I play carefully. I don't let you get a chance to take on on my armies. I fight the battles on my terms. That's why I haven't suffered a catastrophic loss in this game.

Ally yes but you have always been a reluctant one, answering slowly and only really defending your own cause. Stating "peace is great" a while back really got me thinking that you were in it for yourself. A true ally I've had in the face of slysnake who sacrificed armies, income and settlements for our combined cause. You also ended up preparing (over the course of several turns most likely) a massive ambush and backstab on me, so it seems you were not quite as friendly for a longer period of time, not when our war started.

If I truly was in it for myself, why would I help fight Lithuania? Both myself and Slysnake helped each other with income, though I never had a diplomat with you, nor was in a position to aid like Sly did. My preparation? Two turns. One turn to move my army into positions, the next turn to attack. It wasn't planned. Phonics just approached me, I said okay, and did it. I had two turns, and I did what I could with them.

Having Thanatos contest your rebel provinces would have had him off my back and would have ensured that an untrustworthy player does not get too large. Would that I had known not to trust you back then, I would have made sure this would happen. It is my experience that diplomacy in hotseats can win wars all on it's own. But what's done is done and we will finish this game. I take it from you quitting CoG! that you'll be stepping down from the hotseat scene?

I already had most of the rebel provinces under target, so it wouldn't have helped much. Besides, you were looking too powerful most likely. And yes, I will be.

[Myth]

You are fighting battles on your terms because I'm throwing stacks at you to keep you Northside. Once you come around my main recruitment centers I'll have the advantage, forts, units and all. Hopefully you don't have Trebuchets already.

If Lithuania took out the TO they would have had enough castles and gold from the sacking to make decent AR stacks with their AP axemen and extra infantry. You letting them take me out would have been directly detrimental to your position in the mainland. Also Thanatos Eclipse is not a player to be taken lightly under any circumstances. So yes I do think you fought Lithuania because of your own reasons and not because of some great love for the Teutonic Order and their humble general

So why are you quitting hotseats? Will it be permanent or temporary?

[Visor]

If Lithuania took out the TO they would have had enough castles and gold from the sacking to make decent AR stacks with their AP axemen and extra infantry. You letting them take me out would have been directly detrimental to your position in the mainland. Also Thanatos Eclipse is not a player to be taken lightly under any circumstances. So yes I do think you fought Lithuania because of your own reasons and not because of some great love for the Teutonic Order and their humble general

I actually had no interest in fighting Lithuania for land/better position. But you started losing, so I decided to be a good ally.

So why are you quitting hotseats? Will it be permanent or temporary?

Permanent, most likely. At least for the immediate future.

[slysnake]

Could I have a 48 hour extension please? :)

[phonicsmonkey]

sure, no problem

[slysnake]

Norway is up :)

FN_Norway_25.sav

[Zim]

I'm not the lowest ranking living faction anymore? Wow.

The perfidious Denmark

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[phonicsmonkey]

I'm not the lowest ranking living faction anymore? Wow.

You're doing a good job of holding off the Danes.

[Zim]

I've done absolutely nothing but take a couple crappy settlements and set up an abortive raid on a better one.

The larger war has likely prevented him from responding with the type of force he needed to root me out. With the HRE apparently having trouble that may not last.

You're doing a good job of holding off the Danes.

[Visor]

I've done absolutely nothing but take a couple crappy settlements and set up an abortive raid on a better one.

The larger war has likely prevented him from responding with the type of force he needed to root me out. With the HRE apparently having trouble that may not last.

You've managed to take Skara I believe, Goteborg and Kalmar, but they're all going to be back under my control. All except Kalmar were crappy. . You're right, I haven't been able to respond with the force I need, which is changing now, thankfully. HRE kinda took a slump with the loss of pretty much all their homeland and their recent military loss.

Palanga is under siege. Kalmar is under siege (a mistake there allowed me to do extra damage to the army inside, as well as make sure your new general doesn't survive ). Siauluai falls. Conrad Windeck and his army has rebelled (). The Order's navy has sunk, I believe I'm the only nation with ships now .

TO up!

http://www.sendspace.com/file/nh0cnt

You're doing a good job of holding off the Danes.

To be honest, I've barely attacked him. It's been a stalemate in Scandanavia due to my lack of forces, and I took Abo off him with an attack, so I've only really attacked him in the Abo area.

[Zim]

What kind of mistake? I'm not sure how an army in a settlement can be "damaged" before the settlement is assaulted, unless the new general was beaten and retreated to a tile next to Kalmar.

Palanga is under siege. Kalmar is under siege (a mistake there allowed me to do extra damage to the army inside, as well as make sure your new general doesn't survive ). Siauluai falls. Conrad Windeck and his army has rebelled (). The Order's navy has sunk, I believe I'm the only nation with ships now .

TO up!

http://www.sendspace.com/file/nh0cnt



To be honest, I've barely attacked him. It's been a stalemate in Scandanavia due to my lack of forces, and I took Abo off him with an attack, so I've only really attacked him in the Abo area.

[Myth]

That general going rebel with half my forces near the central front put the nail in the coffin. The game is lost, but i'll play it out. Mongols up.

[phonicsmonkey]

That general going rebel with half my forces near the central front put the nail in the coffin.

No! Hard luck mate, you were on a decent run.

[Visor]

That general going rebel with half my forces near the central front put the nail in the coffin. The game is lost, but i'll play it out. Mongols up.

That's why low loyalty generals are bad. I generally don't use less ones with less then 4 in my armies, just too risky. I killed off my two one loyalty generals, well got Sly to kill em.

Unlucky there though. (Not trying to be harsh).

What kind of mistake? I'm not sure how an army in a settlement can be "damaged" before the settlement is assaulted, unless the new general was beaten and retreated to a tile next to Kalmar.

Used an almost fully depleted unit to siege Kalmar, as I saw your general trying to escape, then I used what I could, beat that general who then retreated to a tile next to Kalmar, then used the rest of the army to attack the general (with the depleted unit disbanded) and it brings in the army inside the settlement into the fight. Won that easily, and Kalmar is under siege.

[phonicsmonkey]

Sorry Myth, but what happened to Argudhun the Merciless? He was supposed to be immune from attack because he was immobilised on my turn under the rules. But he appears to have disappeared. If he rebelled that's fine but I can't tell from the save because of the fog of war.

[Myth]

I had to use him, I was fresh out of generals back then, and units left to themselves rebel as well. You'll see up North that there is a stack of 2-3 Order Spearmen who turned rebel on me right in the middle of my clash with Lithuania.

I couldn't accept an adoption (I was offered a NF general and really wanted him). Apparently there is some sort of hardcoded limit of the generals that can be on the map. If other nations all get too many the others can scarcely replace their losses. I believe that's what happened to Cecil and his Novgorod too.

Monkey I killed that general. So sorry. I'll replay the turn. When I played I thought he was some reinforcement and that your troops had all retreated in that castle a bit to the North.

That TO Hochmeister model is looking awesome btw.

[phonicsmonkey]

Apparently there is some sort of hardcoded limit of the generals that can be on the map.

Really? This would explain some weirdness I've experienced in other games. Where did you read this, or are you just guessing?

Monkey I killed that general. So sorry.

*shakes fist*

That TO Hochmeister model is looking awesome btw.

Yeah, he's badass.

[Visor]

Mine is an english general (the hochmeister).

On the general thingy. A turn ago, I was offered an adoption, and I accepted it, but it was unable to be completed. This turn, I had an adoption, accepted, suceeded, and gained two generals from MOTH as well.

[Myth]

MOTH is working for me as well, but adoptions have been failing more often than not. You probably got a general because I lost one (due to him turning rebel). BTW the model looks the same for me as well, but this is my second Hochmeister. The first one looked like a vanilla general for me as well, but since this guy inherited the title I suppose the game figured it out and gave him the proper model. You could see him too, but you'd have to have vision over monkey's lands.

As far as the limit on generals, I did not read this anywhere but I've observe it happen here and in UOTI and even GA. When everyone starts making stacks of adopted generals because they have low recruitment pools it tends to happen. Just my observation though.

[phonicsmonkey]

I'll replay the turn.

You're going to send me a new link, right?

[Myth]

I completely forgot about this last night. I can play it tonight, though if you want you can skip my turn (but then I'd probably ask slysnake for us to throw the towel)

[phonicsmonkey]

I completely forgot about this last night. I can play it tonight, though if you want you can skip my turn (but then I'd probably ask slysnake for us to throw the towel)

Nah, tonight is fine.

[Myth]

New save, now with more living Mongol generals!

[phonicsmonkey]

HRE is up

[slysnake]

Norway up :)

EDIT (correct save): FN_Norway_26.sav

[Visor]

Zim?

[Zim]

Now Norway will finally die.

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