Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]

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Originally Posted by Visor

as an aside, im just not feeeeeeling solving from mischief in terms of investigative stuff

like he defends himself from me, but hes not exploring where he wants to kill etc

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My experience with Mischief is that he's a lot more reserved on where to kill as a villager and finds spots he likes, goes in on them, and if they dont pan out takes a while to reorient himself. As a wolf he flings votes around a fair bit more with little rhyme or reason. I understand what you're saying and why you're concerned but I'm going to tell you the same thing I told him when he was concerned about you: I think you're misguided here for understandable reasons.

I'm ... trying to do better about that thing I do where I feel good about something and then kinda just put it out into the thread instead of working hard to help others see it too. I'm also thinking that - while I'm hoping this is the easy world and I nabbed a really good case and solved the game - there is a possibility that we live in a hard world (like Rask currently doesn't think it's either of my bottom 2) and if we do *that* is the kill the wolves absolutely need and I'm going to try and vocalize my belief that it's not it and prevent it.

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

You just gotta frame it as "how to find the lone wolf in end game and not succumb to information overload or paranoia". It's all about the marketing.

Acting like my "how to mash as a villager" article aint gonna be me talking about getting chopped as a 200 poster against the 4 poster in final 5. We all know it is lol

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Lmao clever

Lolneighbourhoods

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Originally Posted by Visor

surviving, i guess.

im wary because wolves have to interact with villagers extensively because thats how they progress in the game, and there just seems to be zero real consideration from either side of each other

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I definitely agree on the zero consideration from either side. Do you think I'm just like, overestimating the amount of foresight wolves should be having here?

I'll be around for the next six hours if ppl wanna talk but I don't have a lot to say until insomnia eph mischief all check in

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

I definitely agree on the zero consideration from either side. Do you think I'm just like, overestimating the amount of foresight wolves should be having here?

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I think it's possible that the wolves aren't planning with foresight and intend to just play by ear, which means doing whatever to survive today, hope you're alive tomorrow.

Some wolves do act with foresight and it's possible here, I'm just wary of banking on it

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

200 posts of pure wolfish intent to be sure.

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I went through the full gauntlet of emotion during that phase. Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance, Posting Disney Songs To Feel Better

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Ill vig Ender tonight. Just assume it is done

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I'd vig Mischief/Sunbae over me.

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Originally Posted by Visor

I'll be around for the next six hours if ppl wanna talk but I don't have a lot to say until insomnia eph mischief all check in

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Yeah, think I'll go sleep. Think I've got all of my relevant thoughts in the thread.

See ya friends

I'm heading off to D&D soon so same.

Have fun all.

Official Tally as of #489

3 insomnia (Mischief, Sunbae, Raskolnikov)
2 Mischief (Visor, EnderWiggin)

Not Voting: Ephemeral, insomnia

Day 2 ends in

I've updated post #3 to include the updated list of living/dead players and a link to the d1/n1 updates.

morning

I'll be around to chat in a few minutes after I take care of post wake up shenanigans

something something Vote: Mischief

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Originally Posted by Ephemeral

morning

I'll be around to chat in a few minutes after I take care of post wake up shenanigans

something something Vote: Mischief

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https://i.imgur.com/ApjVnee.gif?noredirect

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Originally Posted by Visor

https://i.imgur.com/ApjVnee.gif?noredirect

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https://c.tenor.com/h8ESfI_EBaQAAAAC...l-grievous.gif

there was a bunch of handwaving going on with mischief and lantana last eod that I'm not really sure how I'm supposed to read into but I recall it sticking out like a sore thumb when I was reading through

thots?

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Originally Posted by Ephemeral

there was a bunch of handwaving going on with mischief and lantana last eod that I'm not really sure how I'm supposed to read into but I recall it sticking out like a sore thumb when I was reading through

thots?

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can you quote it

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Originally Posted by Lantana

Not to subtly defend existing wagons, however,

Can those that are here nya about their Ephe read? I have him way more sus than insomnia at the moment

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Originally Posted by Mischief

Ephe is squarely in my "idfk" bucket, warming up a new spot in my POE

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Originally Posted by Lantana

Nya

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This whole sequence

I recall being like "there has to be a wolf here" when I first saw it post eod

but I'm not sure if this actually works as w/w? whole interaction just looks weird

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Originally Posted by Lantana

Not to subtly defend existing wagons, however,

Can those that are here nya about their Ephe read? I have him way more sus than insomnia at the moment

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Originally Posted by Mischief

Ephe is squarely in my "idfk" bucket, warming up a new spot in my POE

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Originally Posted by Lantana

Nya

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on a more important note

I decided to seriously get into chess a few days ago, been really slow because of rl stuff but I'm getting there w/r/t learning the basic stuff and it's being a lot of fun so far

uh, not sure why those quotes were there again lol

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

Because there's just ... nothing despite the way a Mischief/Lan wolf team would absolutely require something with how day 1 played out. Mischief and Lan were both rather vocal points of the thread a different parts of the day and received a decent amount of pressure. Rask and Dya went at Lan. Lan went at you and Ephemeral. Mischief went after Rask and you. You, Rask, and Taffy went at Mischief. If that's the wolf team how can they never defend each other or start to press each other? They are never, ever sweeping here with that day 1 pressure on both in a vig game and need to do * something *. I can see arguments if they started defending each other: they were under so much pressure they needed to try and sway consensus away. I can see arguments if they had pointed discussions with each other: they needed to look good once one flipped. They have nothing. At no point did they try to help, did they try to distance, did they have any foresight into future days. If that's the team, what are they doing?

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The part about never pushing each other is more accurate for me than defending.
I tend not to defend scum partners in most cases, but I do definitely push them.
Lantana would have been in my nulls in my POE, where I would express some suspicion of them but not enough to get them wagoned.
If a wagon did start to form, though, I would place a vote there in case a bus is necessary.
In my most recent wolf game, 1/3 partners were placed in my villa reads, because they were universally villa read, one was placed as a wolf read, one was null-scum on my list.
I bussed the one in my wolf reads, and in F5 cased the hell out of my partner and a LHF villager that had some partner equity with him, to give the impression that they were the last two wolves, then directed the vote toward the villager to win it.
No one believed that I could be scum with anyone.

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Originally Posted by Lantana

Alright better check this wagon again if people will actually listen to me lol

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re your post eph: theres no real follow up by either mischief or lantana after that

i found this post weird - they made multiple posts saying eph is a good wagon and then posting this is just weird

mischief then goes on to vote you

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Originally Posted by Ephemeral

on a more important note

I decided to seriously get into chess a few days ago, been really slow because of rl stuff but I'm getting there w/r/t learning the basic stuff and it's being a lot of fun so far

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if you want to play infinite time correspondence games with a chess noob hmu after the game

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Originally Posted by Mischief

The part about never pushing each other is more accurate for me than defending.
I tend not to defend scum partners in most cases, but I do definitely push them.
Lantana would have been in my nulls in my POE, where I would express some suspicion of them but not enough to get them wagoned.
If a wagon did start to form, though, I would place a vote there in case a bus is necessary.
In my most recent wolf game, 1/3 partners were placed in my villa reads, because they were universally villa read, one was placed as a wolf read, one was null-scum on my list.
I bussed the one in my wolf reads, and in F5 cased the hell out of my partner and a LHF villager that had some partner equity with him, to give the impression that they were the last two wolves, then directed the vote toward the villager to win it.
No one believed that I could be scum with anyone.

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so wheres your head at rn?

can i get some sort of ordered list?

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Originally Posted by Visor

nobody wolfread dya iirc
if dya is correct, wolves are just ender/lantana

ender/mischief/insom are my poe

re mischief and lantana interaction sunbae: it didn't feel to me like there was any real attempt by lantana or mischief to engage with each other. michief had the entry that taffy and i commented on but lantana didnt, (even though lantana saw the posts because they commented on me after that iirc), and the question lantana asked mischief is something that could easily be w/w in that its a very simple fake interaction thingo

the light townread stuff but also never interacting seems weird to me on both ends

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For me, a light townread means "I don't have much to substantiate this, or have a strong belief in the accuracy of this, but have a leaning in this direction".
I thought their earlier posts were tonally lightly villagery.
That said, there are always plenty of posts that I really don't have many thoughts on, or anything to contribute.
E.g. Sunbae's analyses above, I think are good overall.
I have nothing really to contribute there, though.
I have no critiques, no confusion, and mere acknowledgement contributes nothing.
If I see something that is wrong, that seems to have an agenda, or bothers me in any way, I am more likely to pursue that.
In the case of Lantana, there wasn't any specific post that hit my radar, overall, but any time anyone asks me a question, I will answer that to the best of my ability.

Even IRL, I'm not an enormously chatty person, unless there is something to work with.
I tend not to start conversations unless I have something in mind to talk about.
The same principle more or less applies in Mafia as well.

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Originally Posted by Visor

re your post eph: theres no real follow up by either mischief or lantana after that

i found this post weird - they made multiple posts saying eph is a good wagon and then posting this is just weird

mischief then goes on to vote you

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Aye, it was easy to read into it as far as "either side is being opportunistic" but it feels really strange as a w/w interaction

lolme if i'm overthinking a very simplistic scenario again but atm I'm just vacillating on it hard

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Originally Posted by Visor

if you want to play infinite time correspondence games with a chess noob hmu after the game

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Not sure if I even qualify as a noob yet but yeah I'd be down to:2thumbsup:

mate if you are a villa you gotta help me get there on you

i need to see some solving from you, i need to see you trying to actively work out who the wolf is, most of your posts this phase have been responses or explanations about yourself but i need to see you figuring out the last wolf

er actually all of your posts fit that bill - all of your posts today are about explaining your behaviour. who is the last wolf?

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Originally Posted by Ephemeral

Aye, it was easy to read into it as far as "either side is being opportunistic" but it feels really strange as a w/w interaction

lolme if i'm overthinking a very simplistic scenario again but atm I'm just vacillating on it hard

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fair enough

if not mischief, then who

insom? ender? sunbae?

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Originally Posted by Visor

fair enough

if not mischief, then who

insom? ender? sunbae?

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insom is currently sitting in the void for me, I can see him fitting with lantana but I'm gonna have to reread the two to make sure I'm not missing smth there

sunbae I think is a villager

ender I've mellowed out on a little bit since yesterday, though that's mostly a byproduct of the stuff between lan/mischief that's been hoarding my attention

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Originally Posted by Visor

so wheres your head at rn?

can i get some sort of ordered list?

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Mischief: Me
Sunbae: Easily the most villagery person in the game from my perspective. A voice of reason in the thread, but further, if they were a wolf they are playing in a way that is somewhat contrary to how a wolf would typically play.
They are dissolving tensions rather than capitalising off of them.
Raskolnikov: I don't see a world where Rask/Lantana are wolves together. I also thought Rask responded fairly well when I was pushing him, enough that I did not feel like voting there would yield a wolf. At this point, I'd say he's a villager.
Visor: You have certainly been a point of frustration at some points, I will admit.
Ephemeral: I don't really have a lot of thoughts on this slot, but them being a wagon that was started at EOD (which I am aware that I voted on), which Lantana was at the front of, makes them an unlikely wolf flip.
I understand that my writing is stiff, you and quite a few others across any number of games have said so.
It is thoroughly NAI for me.
I was also a little bothered by the fact in your push you mention me not interacting with someone on page 1, when I wasn't even around for the majority of page 1. Again, I'm not bothered by accurate pushes. If there is something that looks bad for me and someone calls that out, that is 100% fair. What is not fair, is to make a case that can be recontextualised as this "I think you worked with the murderer because you had not contact with them while you were on holiday in Jamaica".
Surely you can understand my incredulity at that?
It would be one thing if someone said "the murderer used a Glock, and we see you own one", which would be an understandable suspicion to have.
Aside from the pushes that on NAI things, or arguments with an absurd foundation, I think it is less likely that you and Lantana are W/W from your interactions, Dya V read you, Sunbae V reads you, and I V read them and know that they read you better than I. So everything mentioned above is simply to contextualise why although I logically see you as a probable villager, I do so in spite of a plethora of things that have bothered me, that would lead to me tunneling you if not for the fact I understand that you may not know what IS alignment indicative for me. (If that sounds hostile at all, also know that I still respect you as both a person and a player, even if I felt a little tilted about some some things)
EnderWiggin: I have had a difficult time really getting a proper read on this slot. It's here because of POE.
insomnia: Looks worst overall from the flip/interactions.

Nothing that really goes against the consensus, but that's where I'm at.

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Originally Posted by Mischief

Mischief: Me
Sunbae: Easily the most villagery person in the game from my perspective. A voice of reason in the thread, but further, if they were a wolf they are playing in a way that is somewhat contrary to how a wolf would typically play.
They are dissolving tensions rather than capitalising off of them.
Raskolnikov: I don't see a world where Rask/Lantana are wolves together. I also thought Rask responded fairly well when I was pushing him, enough that I did not feel like voting there would yield a wolf. At this point, I'd say he's a villager.
Ephemeral: I don't really have a lot of thoughts on this slot, but them being a wagon that was started at EOD (which I am aware that I voted on), which Lantana was at the front of, makes them an unlikely wolf flip.
Visor: You have certainly been a point of frustration at some points, I will admit.
I understand that my writing is stiff, you and quite a few others across any number of games have said so.
It is thoroughly NAI for me.
I was also a little bothered by the fact in your push you mention me not interacting with someone on page 1, when I wasn't even around for the majority of page 1. Again, I'm not bothered by accurate pushes. If there is something that looks bad for me and someone calls that out, that is 100% fair. What is not fair, is to make a case that can be recontextualised as this "I think you worked with the murderer because you had not contact with them while you were on holiday in Jamaica".
Surely you can understand my incredulity at that?
It would be one thing if someone said "the murderer used a Glock, and we see you own one", which would be an understandable suspicion to have.
Aside from the pushes that on NAI things, or arguments with an absurd foundation, I think it is less likely that you and Lantana are W/W from your interactions, Dya V read you, Sunbae V reads you, and I V read them and know that they read you better than I. So everything mentioned above is simply to contextualise why although I logically see you as a probable villager, I do so in spite of a plethora of things that have bothered me, that would lead to me tunneling you if not for the fact I understand that you may not know what IS alignment indicative for me. (If that sounds hostile at all, also know that I still respect you as both a person and a player, even if I felt a little tilted about some some things)
EnderWiggin: I have had a difficult time really getting a proper read on this slot. It's here because of POE.
insomnia: Looks worst overall from the flip/interactions.

Nothing that really goes against the consensus, but that's where I'm at.

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Ebwop, the Ephemeral section got pushed into the middle of the Visor section for some reason.

Mischief can you explain why you were adding me in your read lines posts despite not having much of a read there? It irks me since lantana was doing the exact same thing, tho you voting to save me is a slight good look ngl

I didn’t read in depth (or ~at all) most of the casing on me cuz i can’t rn but i think anyone paying attention can see i’m not with lantana

Apparently im wrong and im biased or you are all not paying attention :curtain:

I’ll say that i was kinda mad not sticking to the early read especially since it seemed newcombian, i guess it wasn’t a read really but i should’ve pursued it by pushing more

My initial thoughts without re-reading attentively are that mischief / ender are the options here and i lean mischief personally just cuz it felt to me like ender had 0 suspicions / didn’t build much of an agenda

To be clear, 0 suspicion = he didn?t make too many suspicions. I?d figure a wolf would attempt to dive in action and stir the tides somehow but he seemed pretty passive and i usually have a tough time associating it with wolves. Can anyone say if i?m wrong making this read on ender?

Ok so the ? Posters were mobile posters

Also mischief u said i look worst from “interactions”

Did u make any case saying why / which ones? It feels like you’re just parroting the thread / following consensus but aren’t showing the work. U came into today pushing me while gth me village, you should have some reason for saying that

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Originally Posted by insomnia

To be clear, 0 suspicion = he didn?t make too many suspicions. I?d figure a wolf would attempt to dive in action and stir the tides somehow but he seemed pretty passive and i usually have a tough time associating it with wolves. Can anyone say if i?m wrong making this read on ender?

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That's not a good way to read me. =P

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Originally Posted by insomnia

Also mischief u said i look worst from “interactions”

Did u make any case saying why / which ones? It feels like you’re just parroting the thread / following consensus but aren’t showing the work. U came into today pushing me while gth me village, you should have some reason for saying that

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Kind of hard for me to be following the consensus on this one when I concluded this and voted you before the consensus.

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Originally Posted by Mischief

For now I'll place my vote on what seems most likely out of the options
Vote: Insomnia


The only thing I dislike about this is that I did think they were a little villagery at some points, but I also thought that of Lantana.

Unrelated: it doesn't look like I have covid (thankfully), I feel better today. It must have been either foodborne illness or maybe cross contamination with an allergen (I ate at a ramen shop, and the only allergy I really know about is shellfish).

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That said, I will absolutely not deny that others such as Sunbae have actually put forth the effort to actually go through and piece together the interactions you had with Lantana, and write out a more complete case.
I didn't write an abundance on the subject, but I did read for a while after the flips and arrived at my conclusion.
From the way Lantana talked about you, to the EOD vote on Ephemeral, there is plenty of potential partner equity there.


That isn't to say that I'm certain that you are the last wolf, just that there are enough things that I can't logically ignore, in spite of the fact at EOD I had the slightest tinge of belief that you might be a villager.

As such, I placed my vote where it makes sense.

That said, hopefully that makes sense, I'm going to sleep, because otherwise I'll sleep through my therapy appointment later.

You still haven’t described why exactly i look bad off “flips / interactions”

Can you give some examples where you felt like i was w/w with lant?

Alr so im gonna claim vigi

If i am not the vigi then he should give me a day for obvious reasons

If i am vigi im gonna give myself a day :curtain:

solve as though i am a villager please.

vote: mischief

placeholder until he elaborates. likely i'll change it later

Official Tally as of #519

4 Mischief (Visor, EnderWiggin, Ephemeral, insomnia)
3 insomnia (Mischief, Sunbae, Raskolnikov)

Day 2 ends in

V0te: Ender

No counterclaim as of yet, Insom will get vigged if lying.

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Originally Posted by insomnia

vote: mischief

placeholder until he elaborates. likely i'll change it later

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Just vote me then.
I have therapy soon, and if I were to collect the quotes you'd just say "these are the same quotes others are using", at which point it would be little more than an exercise in tedium.

Insomnia,

I acknowledge your claim, but I think you're lying. I will not rocks fall this one though and will play ball because we're in a position to do that and it's mechanically the abc correct move.

Who do you think is a wolf? You're voting Mischief as a placeholder, think voting to save you is a good look, and have stated you're voting there because "the options" are Ender and Mischief and you town read Ender for their play near eod yesterday. If you ignored everything and just said "I'm voting my best wolf read" who would it be and why?


Vote: Ender

I don't have a strong reason to wolf read here but I have strong reasons to villa read everyone else. I think this is most likely a villager and it's Insomnia, especially after the claim, but if Insomnia is the vig then I think it has to be here. If it is the answer, I guess the early poking votes between Lan/Ender ("wolfiest slot so far" early) and the "I might vote you at eod" but never doing so was just distancing, but it's a very weird end of day by Lan to defend Insomnia hard/not defend Ender and being so hectic on Ephem. I can't say I really understand it if so.

As for Mischief, I think the reasons to wolf read there are just kind of not good. I think it's the product of momentum in the sense that it was an early wolf read that's just kind of stuck with people. You had the early "abe simpson" thing which I think can be explained by it being a new site, the push on Visor early which I think was weird for people on the outside but makes sense if you think Mischief believes Visor has better meta on him (I also think pushes of "this person should know me better than to think I'm being wolfy" are just kinda towny in general?), and the way Mischief grumbled about it once multiple people told him that's unreasonable also makes sense. So you had a first half of day 1 where people just kinda locked in "yeah thats weird" in the back of their mind and went about their day and now that there's one wolf left it's "well maybe it's the weird thing I remember". I don't think the lack of interaction with Lan is wolfy despite multiple others thinking so. The way the day played out I think they just *have* to do something if paired together. I don't think "you didn't explain in detail why my interactions look bad" is a reasonable case (I'm a bit miffed that this was said while ignoring my effort to showcase it). I just think from my experience that this is a villager being piled on today for things that aren't wolfy because the answer is obvious and we're trying to poke around in worlds in which it's not.

[QUOTE=Mischief;2053833504]
Aside from the pushes that on NAI things, or arguments with an absurd foundation, I think it is less likely that you and Lantana are W/W from your interactions, Dya V read you, Sunbae V reads you, and I V read them and know that they read you better than I. So everything mentioned above is simply to contextualise why although I logically see you as a probable villager, I do so in spite of a plethora of things that have bothered me, that would lead to me tunneling you if not for the fact I understand that you may not know what IS alignment indicative for me. (If that sounds hostile at all, also know that I still respect you as both a person and a player, even if I felt a little tilted about some some things)


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Visor,

please read this and ask yourself if this is "a wolf that's annoyed that their push on you was derailed" or "a villager that finds the way you've interacted with them wolfy but will listen to their villager reads while grumbling about it"

Visor,

I think this is a moon in spec game situation

I am trying to be more persuasive in games. I think I've had a lot of games recently where I was doing a pretty decent job (not great, but not bad) but I just kind of *exist* and it doesn't amount to much. In this game I've tried to lay out a concise, easy to follow case on who I think the wolf is (i know, they claimed vig and now I'm begrudgingly voting Ender because thats what I'm supposed to do) as well as a defense on a villager read with game related, personal meta, overall werewolf theory, and perceived flawed logic of pushes there as reasons. I am very uncomfortable in the "look at me!" role (I got a bit happy for myself last postgame cause like, the wolves were elite and I was able to sift through it a decent amount but that was an outlier in back patting lol) but this is my best effort at it.

At this point I am comforted knowing that if I am correct, I think the game is won. I won't jump up and down anymore. I will say my piece and let others roll in and do their thing. If I am incorrect, I won't be the one to derail it further.

It's not a cool cat or doggo or rabbit but I did see a neat birb this morning (my mom started putting feeders/birdbath out in her backyard and now she gets these (robin i think?), cardinals, and blue jays out there. Pretty neat.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

https://i.imgur.com/Au6R3vF.png

if insom is actually a villager, I am outing a tinfoil: Sunbae is the last wolf for how he handled EOD1. (cased insom, got people into the wagon, then followed Visor's flashwagon on a villager -> like it's easier to shrug the sus for that than what could fall upon you after you spearheaded the chop on a villager yourself. counterpoint: I do that a lot as a wolf. countercounterpoint: I am not a good wolf, Sunbae prolly is)

now that has been said, I don't really believe insom's claim. :curtain:

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Originally Posted by insomnia

Alr so im gonna claim vigi

If i am not the vigi then he should give me a day for obvious reasons

If i am vigi im gonna give myself a day :curtain:

solve as though i am a villager please.

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tbh lettuce us chop this claim lol. who claims and follow up with "if I am not the vig, he should give me a day for blabla"? a wolf hoping to hero shoot the real vig tonight? (I don't really see a vanillager make that claim? maybe?)

what am I missing here?

Ender or mischief then if we are going to give insomnia the day

oh lol, now I am wondering if Zack is outing PRs on flips. lol me I guess. hmm

vote: Mischief

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

tbh lettuce us chop this claim lol. who claims and follow up with "if I am not the vig, he should give me a day for blabla"? a wolf hoping to hero shoot the real vig tonight? (I don't really see a vanillager make that claim? maybe?)

what am I missing here?

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So in the world he is the big, he maybe survives tonight and we get a f4 with vig alive which is good for win percentage

In the world he is the wolf he just does tonight so it doesn't matter

In the world he is a vanillagrr he dies tonight, maybe from big, maybe from wolf

vote: ender

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Originally Posted by Visor

vote: ender

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You think BLade comes in D2 without trying like that? (I may be uncharitable here, wouldn't be the first time, but I just remember openwolfing from him today)

(I think you will reply, yeet wolfy players)

part of me just wants to sheep Visor here. the other one wants me to be right D1 and yeet Mischief lol. Might vote Ender and just blame Visor if he flips villa. Seems a good plan

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

You think BLade comes in D2 without trying like that? (I may be uncharitable here, wouldn't be the first time, but I just remember openwolfing from him today)

(I think you will reply, yeet wolfy players)

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My options are: blade, who is actively shitposting

Mischief, who sunbae has moved heaven and earth to defend

Ephemeral: who got pushed a but by Lan but hasn't really been super villagery

Idkmybffjill

ok let's go

vote: Ender

The only reason I'm not voting mischief is because of sunbae. I still don't think he's done any solving especially today and focused entirely on defending himself, but if sunbae believes it that strongly and I think sunbae is probably a villager I'm just going to throw up my hands and say fine, have it your way and if he's right good, if he's wrong rip and if he's a wolf trying to keep a ml alive for endgame I guess I'll make that decision when the time comes

Official Tally as of #538

3 EnderWiggin (Sunbae, Visor, Raskolnikov)
3 Mischief (EnderWiggin, Ephemeral, insomnia)

1 insomnia (Mischief)

Day 2 ends in

The eph push could be distancing maybe

Eso given backing off q bit once it got some legs

i feel like ive been heavily miscontrued in my posting against mischief

so on page 1 and page 2 (1-80, 80-160 post num) lantana does not comment on mischiefs initial entry nor on any of the reads on mischiefs initial entry (does townread me and i talk about it a little). mishcief reappears, also does not respond to any of lantanas post or pose any questions there. lantana reappears, does not question any of mischiefs posts.

mishcief and lantana are in the thread at hte same time, post at the same timeframe (82-83) yet have no questions for each other, no discussion of each other.both mischief and lantana go on to post that page and still do not interact with each other. they say hi once. thats it.

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Official Tally as of #538

3 EnderWiggin (Sunbae, Visor, Raskolnikov)
3 Mischief (EnderWiggin, Ephemeral, insomnia)

1 insomnia (Mischief)

Day 2 ends in

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@Zack: Mischief voted Ender, well he v0ted Ender to be precise :creep:

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Originally Posted by Mischief

V0te: Ender

No counterclaim as of yet, Insom will get vigged if lying.

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"No counterclaim as of yet, Insom will get vigged if lying." I am just trying to figure out if a vanillager says that. I can see a wolf posting this in case insom is actually vanilla town lol but :shrug: I prolly should go to bed rn since I can't think lol. but but EOD is within few minutes!

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Originally Posted by Visor

The only reason I'm not voting mischief is because of sunbae. I still don't think he's done any solving especially today and focused entirely on defending himself, but if sunbae believes it that strongly and I think sunbae is probably a villager I'm just going to throw up my hands and say fine, have it your way and if he's right good, if he's wrong rip and if he's a wolf trying to keep a ml alive for endgame I guess I'll make that decision when the time comes

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Originally Posted by Visor

i feel like ive been heavily miscontrued in my posting against mischief

so on page 1 and page 2 (1-80, 80-160 post num) lantana does not comment on mischiefs initial entry nor on any of the reads on mischiefs initial entry (does townread me and i talk about it a little). mishcief reappears, also does not respond to any of lantanas post or pose any questions there. lantana reappears, does not question any of mischiefs posts.

mishcief and lantana are in the thread at hte same time, post at the same timeframe (82-83) yet have no questions for each other, no discussion of each other.both mischief and lantana go on to post that page and still do not interact with each other. they say hi once. thats it.

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Ok. I think at this point the correct course of action for me is to see multiple villager reads of mine tell me they think I'm wrong and adjust instead of digging in my heels. I still really, really think the answer is just Insomnia and this is the "well claim I guess" last death throes of a well cased wolf that can't really argue out of it. Games get really wonky when it's small and a wolf died before d2, the clears are pretty solid and for good reasons, and what else can he do at that point? If it's not though, I will take a step back and reevaluate properly based on this specific game rather than my ideals of what wolves should be doing, my understanding of meta, and deference to others.

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Originally Posted by Visor

The eph push could be distancing maybe

Eso given backing off q bit once it got some legs

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Let me double check on this

if the wolf is insomnia, nothing we do today really matters as long as the vig doesnt die

in which case we look silly now, but the game is over.

if insomnia is the vig, we are making the right decision, if insomnia is a vanillager, i guess its also technically correct to not kill him?

@EnderWiggin

last rites pal

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Originally Posted by Lantana

I note a POE of Rasko Ender and Taffy written in your reads list but no comments on Taffy's bigger post that immediately followed.
(that is wolfy!)

Why no comments? I found it a touch towny on a surface level

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Vote: Ephemeral

I don't really want to kill visor today; insomnia I was fine with him (by extension raskolnikov saying I was shading insomnia is not nya).
lemme order my reads

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Originally Posted by Lantana

Not to subtly defend existing wagons, however,

Can those that are here nya about their Ephe read? I have him way more sus than insomnia at the moment

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Originally Posted by Lantana

Nya

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Originally Posted by Lantana

Sunbae
Taffy
Mischief
Dyachei
Visorslash
Raskolnikov
Enderwiggin
Ephemeral

Dyachei is probably true null which means I need to find more town reads and/or dyachei needs to be townier

I also had insomnia has my third town but I didn't wanna have him there if he's gonna flip wolf in 10 minutes nya
I def prefer Ephemeral, I can go check his posts again to confirm this (or potentially feel differently :bow:)

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Originally Posted by Lantana

Alright better check this wagon again if people will actually listen to me lol

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Visor,

Can you talk more about the "backing off" part? I don't see it myself but I am uh, not with it currently.

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Originally Posted by Visor

if the wolf is insomnia, nothing we do today really matters as long as the vig doesnt die

in which case we look silly now, but the game is over.

if insomnia is the vig, we are making the right decision, if insomnia is a vanillager, i guess its also technically correct to not kill him?

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Yeah, I'm just grumbling don't mind me

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

Ok. I think at this point the correct course of action for me is to see multiple villager reads of mine tell me they think I'm wrong and adjust instead of digging in my heels. I still really, really think the answer is just Insomnia and this is the "well claim I guess" last death throes of a well cased wolf that can't really argue out of it. Games get really wonky when it's small and a wolf died before d2, the clears are pretty solid and for good reasons, and what else can he do at that point? If it's not though, I will take a step back and reevaluate properly based on this specific game rather than my ideals of what wolves should be doing, my understanding of meta, and deference to others.

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i will say, when i get reads like this i feel like i am usually wrong for the right reasons where villagers have fallen into 'a trap' of posting

so its possible i am just giving mischief a hard time because he keeps running into webs of things i think are not villagery, but hes just a villager stumbling around blindly

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

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Visor,

Can you talk more about the "backing off" part? I don't see it myself but I am uh, not with it currently.

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the last two posts and the whole, i better check this wagon before it actually takes off thing that they have once people actually start to vote ephemeral

Ephemeral and Lantana: an overview (pt 1, I seem to have run out of multiquotes and can't quote any more than what I have)

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just quickly went through stuff, found sunbae lightly villagery

ditto his sentiment about dya's entrance feeling good

not particularly enamoured with visors posts for reasons i can't find a way to articulate, but both dya and sunbae liking him is good enough for me to give him a pass till I can actually get into the headspace to dive into stuff properly

lantana has been... marginally ok

the way mischief handled his visor seems alright, #168 and the first paragraph of #173 being what i mainly refer to here, overall feel fine about the slot atm

had a good kneejerk reaction to insomnia, not conclusive by any means but would not kill d1

ender/taffy/rask is the group i feel the most meh about out of the bunch and am probably fine with voting in today

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Eph: Lantana is Marginally ok

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Originally Posted by Ephemeral

could be pure recency bias but I've liked most of taffy's recent posts so I think i'm good with saying i don't want to go there today

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Against the Taffy wagon (could go either way, with them opposing it because they genuinely felt like it wasn't a hit, or to get credit if they thought it would go over anyway)

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Originally Posted by Ephemeral

in my eyes they're both pretty balanced on the scale, went on ender for the sake of having wagons p much

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Chose ender for the sake of having wagons

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Originally Posted by Lantana

Oui oui

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The oui oui is in response to

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Taffy still a wolf. Lanfantana would like to come back to chat (fun fact brought by Raskol - chat is the French word for cat)

lol Sunbae (sorry I can't articulate this read better tbh. but this is my guenine reaction to your vote when I return and explain where I am about Lanfantana -since you asked - and you vote me)

Dya null
visor null
Ender light villa (for tiny reasons, but I can generally accuratly read him scum when he is, and I am not pinged yet so there is that)
Ephe prolly villa (this is a bad activity read)

insomnia prolly not ww with lanfantana.

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Originally Posted by Lantana

Vote: Ephemeral

I don't really want to kill visor today; insomnia I was fine with him (by extension raskolnikov saying I was shading insomnia is not nya).
lemme order my reads

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The vote on Ephemeral (first vote on that wagon)

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Originally Posted by Lantana

Not to subtly defend existing wagons, however,

Can those that are here nya about their Ephe read? I have him way more sus than insomnia at the moment

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Continued attempt at building a wagon on Eph.

The continued focus on Ephemeral up to this point, in respect to them being an EOD wagon, I think still looks good for Ephemeral, and similarly, still points to Insomnia (oui oui).

I forgot to spoiler half of those, I'm half asleep.

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Originally Posted by Visor

i will say, when i get reads like this i feel like i am usually wrong for the right reasons where villagers have fallen into 'a trap' of posting

so its possible i am just giving mischief a hard time because he keeps running into webs of things i think are not villagery, but hes just a villager stumbling around blindly

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I understand. Seeing you make the "for sunbae" post I also remembered the reverse situations where I'm sitting there saying "come on what wolf would night vig another wolf what are they even doing" so yeah, I totally get your "wrong for the right reasons" fear a little.

Official Tally as of #552

4 EnderWiggin (Mischief, Sunbae, Visor, Raskolnikov)
3 Mischief (EnderWiggin, Ephemeral, insomnia)

Day 2 ends in

fixed to get mischief's v0te

:00 good, :01 bad

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

@Zack: Mischief voted Ender, well he v0ted Ender to be precise :creep:

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I didn't even realise.
I had just woken up when I wrote that, and was drowsy af.
My sleep has been dogshit lately.

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Originally Posted by Visor

i feel like ive been heavily miscontrued in my posting against mischief

so on page 1 and page 2 (1-80, 80-160 post num) lantana does not comment on mischiefs initial entry nor on any of the reads on mischiefs initial entry (does townread me and i talk about it a little). mishcief reappears, also does not respond to any of lantanas post or pose any questions there. lantana reappears, does not question any of mischiefs posts.

mishcief and lantana are in the thread at hte same time, post at the same timeframe (82-83) yet have no questions for each other, no discussion of each other.both mischief and lantana go on to post that page and still do not interact with each other. they say hi once. thats it.

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That makes a little more sense.
I won't deny that we didn't interact much.

No mention of lanfantana in insoms ISO .. oh well its self resolving I guess

It strikes me noone really wants Ender to be the chop in his wagon