Capo de Tutti Capi [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by luigi VI di Fatlington

Oh well, now that we're all confessing...

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A bit of an anticlimax, but acrimony and finger-pointing worthy of any Mafia game.

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Why are you revealing? I don't understand. It all seems a bit too easy. Are luigi & Redleg not innocent in reality & you're covering for them?

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A number of reasons. As Redleg said, I want to cover the known innocents and make sure no body is lynched. And I think Moros and Reenk have something to do with the Tin Stars. Why not out them? We have the original three families being torn apart. That leaves our up and comers.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Well, I have to hand it to you. I could have sworn that it was Kralizec that had set up the hit on me.

And yes, you did peeve me, in case my initial reaction didn't tip you off. But by knocking me out of the game early, you did leave me kind of free - not really caring how the outcome went. Big mistake.

Might as well say this publicly: Don't ever kill me in the first round. Because that's twice that's happened now, and that's twice where I've played a huge part in taking down the mafia.

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Let you live? How would that have been better? I don't regret killing you in the slightest, and I'd do it again.

I almost felt bad after you moaned about it, but not after you were revealed as a luca.

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Why shouldn't he expose himself now, the major Mafia players are cutting each others throats now with Sasaki lynched. So its best to figure out who are townies now so that the proper lynching can happen.

I would lke some explanations from Moros and Reenik about why they are coming up guilty when they are investigated?

Hell we could even set up a multiple lynch if we do it correctly.

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Isn't it clear?! Lynch them! End this game, my hope is already shattered.

CR

HAHAHA! Louis! That was great! Comic Genius!

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The Tin Star Mafia - at least three people - are three of these four people:

CountArach
DoH
Drisos
Ironside

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Go on, some Detective investigate me. You will find me innocent.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Getting Recruited:

What if a Mafioso seeks to recruit you? You can respond as you wish to such an offer – but you will never acquire more power than a regular “townie.” The same thing holds for townie groups as well. In neither case are you required to reveal your role.

Donna Barzini = Proletariet

Don Corleone = Pevergreen

Don Tataglia = Kralizec

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Now that's interesting.... Next time you forge a PM you should probably double-check to make sure you spell the name of the person you're trying to frame correctly. GH apparently managed that much. :yes:

Hey man, that's how it was in my pm, don't blame me for Seamus's mistake.

The way I see it is that we don't have much to lose if we lynch Prole. If she turns out to be innocent then we have proven that we can't trust Sasaki's PM. If she is guilty then we have won.

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Originally Posted by luigi VI di Fatlington

Oh well, now that we're all confessing...

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I actually laughed out loud. I can't remember when a post made me do that last. :2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by CountArach

The way I see it is that we don't have much to lose if we lynch Prole. If she turns out to be innocent then we have proven that we can't trust Sasaki's PM. If she is guilty then we have won.

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Is there only one Don left? I thought there were two families still out and about: the White Gloves and Tin Stars. My understanding was that all mafia had to leave a call sign and mafia standing means an acting Don. Since there are kills with both insignia being used then there must be two families active. No?

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Originally Posted by Pindar

Is there only one Don left? I thought there were two families still out and about: the White Gloves and Tin Stars. My understanding was that all mafia had to leave a call sign and mafia standing means an acting Don. Since there are kills with both insignia being used then there must be two families active. No?

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That is logical, yes, however we have killed two Dons, so how could there be two left? I think there is just a pro-mafia vigilante group formed and killing people, the Tin Stars. I'd say that once we kill Prole though, we will win.

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Originally Posted by CountArach

That is logical, yes, however we have killed two Dons, so how could there be two left?

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This might answer your question- from the first post in the thread:

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Originally Posted by Seamus

Made Gangster
A Made is one of the two initial “Made” gangsters in a crime family. Their objective is to lead up the “wet work” efforts on behalf of their crime family, eventually controlling the town. The initial made gangster of a family is automatically aware of the identity of the family Don. If a family Don has been killed (or never existed), the Made may become a Don provided that: 1) There is at least one other Made in the family, 2) All the other Made Gangsters in your family agree to your becoming the Don, and 3) the Made did not participate directly in the killing of the previous Don.
a) Mades can form a kill group with other Mades or with Wise Gals. One kill may be attempted for each two Mades/Wise Guys. In addition, a Made gangster can conduct one “recruiting” investigation per “night” phase. This investigation will determine if the individual is “criminal,” “innocent,” or “unclear.”
b) If investigated by a Detective or another Made, a Made gangster appears “criminal.” If investigated by a Detective during a “night” phase in which the made gangster is actively involved in a killing, they appear “guilty.”.
c) A Made may function as part of a Townie killing group, but never a protection group.

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If prole is a Don and no others have surfaced, we may win. Otherwise, the killings will continue unabated. Guess there's one way to find out.

Hmmm, that's a good point, I didn't notice that. In that case we may not win at all, and the killing may continue, unless of course this is just a vigilante group who just chose to use an insignia to add more organisation to their cause or something?

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Originally Posted by CountArach

Hmmm, that's a good point, I didn't notice that. In that case we may not win at all, and the killing may continue, unless of course this is just a vigilante group who just chose to use an insignia to add more organisation to their cause or something?

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If you note the last night's blood fest there appear three distinctive groups: the White Glove guys, the Tin Star guys and another group. The first two using insignia have a history of kills: the former from many nights back and the latter on at least two separate occasions. If I read correctly, the Tin Stars are a reconstituted family. Were it not so the call sign would be unnecessary. If one then contrasts this reemergent Family with the group the did in Warluster (where no call sign was given): this last group does appear distinct. I think there are three groups. This last being vigilantes with their own agenda. I think the killing will continue.

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Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good

The Rabbit is dead, dude.

Very interesting. And it sounds like we bagged ourselves a wolf. Good work voting, people. :2thumbsup:

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GOOD VOTING MY ARSE!!!

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I knew it!!

Sasaki was guilty!!

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AREN'T YOU GUYS FORGETTING SOMETHING... I was telling the truth after all... you know how much could've been saved when you LISTENED to me in the first place. I named Pever, MRD and Sasaki, no time you believed me, every time it was true... YOU STUPID IDIOTS, killing me was soooooo stupid...

YOU CAN CHEER NOW, but your lead is lost... the game is lost, just because you had to be so stupid... YOU killed 2 townies instead of lynching Sasaki right away... 2, and 2 is vital now... Buncha Idiotas...

:furious3: :furious3: :furious3: :furious3: :furious3:

oke... that was fun :P... no serious... I was wrong about Sasaki... he forged the PM... the dude is lying... he's saving time for the other mafia... you actually lynched a don... :whip:

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Originally Posted by Redleg

Why shouldn't he expose himself now, the major Mafia players are cutting each others throats now with Sasaki lynched. So its best to figure out who are townies now so that the proper lynching can happen.

I would lke some explanations from Moros and Reenik about why they are coming up guilty when they are investigated?

Hell we could even set up a multiple lynch if we do it correctly.

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Yes I'm guilty. I killed Andres remember. If you want to lynch me, go ahead. But you'll only lose investigations. Who do you think sasaki got the role pm from from me. People I investigated:
N1
I missed the first turn.
N2: (even turn, 1 investigation. No kill)
Beirut: Criminal, Made Gangster (Tataglia).
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Major Robert Dump: Made Gangster (Corleone)
pevergreen: Mafia Don (Corleone)
N4 (even trun, attack with 4 on Andres,)
Sasaki: Innocent
N5:
Pannonian: Innocent
Redleg: Innocent
N6: I'll get the results after this night.

Now, I got into contact with sasaki in round 2 (missed the first) I needed connections. He pmed me a twonie role. (It was public by then but still) He put me in contact with many people that were pro town. But he didn't trust me at first so I sended my role pm. Later he posted my pm to save his own skin. He did ask by pm but I he posted before I replied. Now you might not believe me, but give me two turns. Say who I have to investigate, kill those of And I'll post the investiagton results before they are made public by seamus. Anyway, you may or may not believe me. But I worked together with TS who was found innocent. I helped him the whole time and we lynched pretty a lot of mafiosi. When he pointed sasaki as guilty I was didn't believe hil at first but I did investigate him. He came out as innocent. So I kept trusting him. Sorry TS, should have believed you, mate.

Anyway sasaki, TS, AggonyDuck,... all can confirm this.

EDIT: someone care to protect me?

Moros: you just marked yourself as mafia target no 1.

Nah, there ares till enough doctors and protection groups around I'd think.

All: just under 6 hours to the deadline for PMs. I still lack nearly half of them.

I'd rather not wog anybody else, but I do need at least a "I'm Sleeping" PM from you folks -- you can lurk from the rest of them if you wish.

1400 is the close for the PM's. My afternoon is pretty full, but I'll try to get the summary up and rolling as quickly as possible. The earlier you PM me, the more I can have ready to go.

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Originally Posted by Moros

Yes I'm guilty. I killed Andres remember. If you want to lynch me, go ahead. But you'll only lose investigations. Who do you think sasaki got the role pm from from me.

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Okay that explains you. I am waiting for an explaination from Reenik. Being duped by Sasaki is no reason to be lynched. So I will attempt to find a protection group for you.

Proleteriet? Hah, I knew GH was way too quiet. A game of this magnitude he couldn't resist being involved in, dead or not. That he'd be working with Sasaki I'd never have guessed, I bought the Rogue PM reveal hook, line and sinker. Figuring that Sasaki (who's confessed to not being a big fan of writing) wouldn't be up to the task of doctoring one of Seamus' PMs so well, it made sense. It never occured to me that GH was doing the writing.

The players familiar with Sasaki around here really believe he'd just throw in the towel like that?

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I can confirm everything GH says.

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The Dons haven't died simultaneously, so there's no reason at all for Sasaki to back up GH publicly at this point.

And Crazed Rabbit.. et tu? The town I suppose will buy it, but I'm too familiar with you to swallow your disingenuous ad hominems aimed at GH. We know from past games you're too decent of a person, even when you're mafia to even lie outright, let alone getting emotionally worked up and insulting.

Ah well, I'll hang high, one less townie for whichever mafia GH and Sasaki are pulling for. The game shouldn't go for that many more rounds, but when my autopsy comes out, it'll be around the same time that the town discovers that GH and Sasaki were responsible for one of the most clever mafia wins we've seen around here.

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So its a decision to believe Sasaki and General Hankerchief or to believe Proletariat. At this point given that Sasaki has been playing a game of deception the whole time, the only possible recourse for me is that more information come forth about Proletariat. What have you been doing this whole game? Who can confirm your activities?

Come forth the night phase only has 5 hours left before the next round of voting

Time to begin an indepth analysis of voting and posting stastics to see if we can discover any pattern or lack of pattern.

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Originally Posted by Redleg

Time to begin an indepth analysis of voting and posting stastics to see if we can discover any pattern or lack of pattern.

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hmm...Where's kommodus?
But I think I know already who I'm going to vote for.

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Originally Posted by Moros

hmm...Where's kommodus?
But I think I know already who I'm going to vote for.

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Kommodus is deceased I believe.

Damn, if someone would be able to do such a thing it was him.
EDIT: we'll find the guild of certain mafiosi out soon, but still.

Well, I can't see why GH would lie at this point. I can't see why he'd reveal like he did either, which was the point of my post, but I've been waiting to see how prole would react to the accusations GH and Sasaki levelled against her, and she's not offering very much. That looks pretty hinky. I think there's more to the story then we're getting, like GH is working for the 3rd family and is trying to use the town to kill off his family's rivals, but who cares... lynching a known mafia is a plus for the town either way.

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Originally Posted by Fat Louis

Previous 'Sleep with' results:

N1: Proletariat. Failed because of attack.

N2: Kralizec. Failed because of necrophilia

N3: Strike for the South. Failed, not a player.

N4: Seamus. Succeeded.

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Gah! Take note from this people, when making your testamential will don't donate your body to "science".

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Originally Posted by Moros

Now, I got into contact with sasaki in round 2 (missed the first) I needed connections. He pmed me a twonie role. (It was public by then but still) He put me in contact with many people that were pro town. But he didn't trust me at first so I sended my role pm. Later he posted my pm to save his own skin. He did ask by pm but I he posted before I replied. Now you might not believe me, but give me two turns. Say who I have to investigate, kill those of And I'll post the investiagton results before they are made public by seamus. Anyway, you may or may not believe me. But I worked together with TS who was found innocent. I helped him the whole time and we lynched pretty a lot of mafiosi. When he pointed sasaki as guilty I was didn't believe hil at first but I did investigate him. He came out as innocent. So I kept trusting him. Sorry TS, should have believed you, mate.

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Aha, you were so trusting :bounce:


And luigi, your analysis of the role pm was really quite funny.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Aha, you were so trusting :bounce:

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Taunting has been known to backfire. Maybe Moros should provide more information for people to shift through from the contacts he recieved from you. That just might find a mafia player from your deception attempts.

I already told you who they were.