Casual december game

It is now 4am, and last I slept was around 11am yesterday.

Sense of humor dropped off because large levels of tired creeped in about an hour ago, but I wanted to do opening leans list isos.

Couldn't do that and also maintain jokey socializing. Brain turned "socially switched off" around then due to exhaustion.

Isoing here is a pain, I find something unique-to-the-player, or their exact postcount (with lots of open tabs that do not update even if they keep posting) and use CTRL+F to search next post.

Takes a few more clicks, but it's faster than the Org's servers ever generating a valid search. Waited 2 minutes, gave up.

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

I have only made two intentionally wolfy moves so far. Everything else is just me as me as me.

Here's the fun part though.

I think we aren't aligned, you and I. Maybe it's the closed notebook. Maybe it's something else, but there was something I expected to see from you if you're town that I haven't already seen.

I don't want to push this yet because I prefer playing town/town with you and want to find you if you are on my side. (Look, intentional wordage to imply my towniness!)

But I have my eye on you friendo.

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If we aren't aligned then I vote for you today and yeet you in so doing.

Try again.

Maybe it's the tired, but "i was expecting to see X from pizza so far" in the first 20 posts I make a couple hours into the game is F tier and I don't have patience for that because it isn't any sort of villaging I expect from a player of bladescape's caliber as town.

Vote: Bladescape

Dropped a full tier.

And sleep.

Eh.

It is a not great read and I should've kept mum on it like I said I would because I wanted to see if you'd get back to it later and it wasn't 24 hours into the day.

I regret posting that for purely the reason that you're right it's very premature.

I have more posts than 20, nearly double that. Correction.

Didnt think it was that many.

Call it 20 solving posts then.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

If we aren't aligned then I vote for you today and yeet you in so doing.

Try again.

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No try again, I do feel that way.

You threatening to yeet me if I feel that way won't change that.

I'm going to leave it and not vote you back because I want to see more from you before I actually commit to a "kill Pizza" project.

Also I'm keyed in on this Logic push I have.

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

Eh.

It is a not great read and I should've kept mum on it like I said I would because I wanted to see if you'd get back to it later and it wasn't 24 hours into the day.

I regret posting that for purely the reason that you're right it's very premature.

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It's early yet, and my read on the game state is that on average 2 wolves are zero posters.

But I do not think I have a lot of wolves in my townnull collection so far. You and Amy are the wolfiest 2 actives.

I reassess all day, don't make final judgments until I have to place a final vote, and absolutely reassess overnight.

If I do not dome you today, then day 2 I will render a judgment on the matter and vote you then or come out with a town read with reasons.

Yeet a wolf today, it will be helpful for both of us if we're both town. Me isn't gonna do it.

Sleep.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

It's early yet, and my read on the game state is that on average 2 wolves are zero posters.

But I do not think I have a lot of wolves in my townnull collection so far. You and Amy are the wolfiest 2 actives.

I reassess all day, don't make final judgments until I have to place a final vote, and absolutely reassess overnight.

If I do not dome you today, then day 2 I will render a judgment on the matter and vote you then or come out with a town read with reasons.

Yeet a wolf today, it will be helpful for both of us if we're both town. Me isn't gonna do it.

Sleep.

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No promises. My D1 was never as good as yours at finding a wolf. =P

But you know I always shall try.

But yes go sleep, I'm going to continue my own stuff and we'll see where we stand when suns rise.

Did I miss something where a no-poster drops a full tier?

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Excellent.

I know exactly which post(s) you're comparing this opening to.

I believe you believe that.

I can keep you null, in some sort of townie/null quantum state. Let's call it a "Not Wolfread".

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if you had me at anything other than null I'd have called you a wolf with TMI.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

You don't believe in towntells, I stopped believing in dumbtells and derpclears.

I am also open to discussing who you think is town, when you have townreads.

I will null every townread I have publicly and leave probably only Cape90 as town today, as a policy.

If I am to be yeeted I will out all my townreads at once and explain why and also tell people not to blindly sheep it.

If I am to be murdered it is because wolves think I can solve it or I have partially solved it and it is not something you should read me for spew to sheep.

If I have something I do want sheeped I will say so publicly in a very easy to understand manner and people can flat out ignore that request and solve it their own selves based on superior data from later rounds.

If all of those policies pass your okayness bar, lettuce hunt werewolves.

If you suspect me keep two lists, one where pizza is town, and devote some time to solving in that world. Any amount will do, just believe it can happen.

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none of this doesn't make sense so sure.

I'll share my town reads if/when I arrive at them, there's a slight niggling of something on Ender I think is positive but I'm sitting on that for the time being.
I don't believe in towntells because I think any wolf worth their salt can towntell, like you said in 189 only replace derp/dumb with town or wolf at your leisure.

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Originally Posted by Ampharos

did you know i once got my car searched by the cops because they asked if i had weed and i said "probably not, no"

note: i do not smoke weed

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once high and drunk I threw up on a cops shoes. I call that a win

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

once high and drunk I threw up on a cops shoes. I call that a win

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he was wearing them at the time

Ok. Let us see. I have not played mafia for i don?t remember how many years and some of you i i know, most i do not.So far i dont get much wolfines from the thread. The only thing really poking my eye is why Monty ignores to answer Taffy?s question about roles and knowledge, maybe you just missed it? What town needs is more talk from more people. More the merrier, so maybe poke some action? Vote: Csargo How are you old buddy?

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Unless a cop or a vig claims on day one, or you are a masonry and have someone you know for a fact needs protection, I will request 1 doctor protection for night one.

I am doing it right now, well before anyone suspects me, before anyone has started doing anything, before I have earned it by yeeting a wolf, and after saying I will probably slank on day one.

Why? Because I would like to read the game overnight, after the day one flip, and actually be able to post my analysis at start of day two.

I have been unable to do that in half of my games. So, if you have nothing better, no reason to go elsewhere, I request just that one night.

Roleblocking me is also fine, if you're a jailer. That is perfectly reasonable.

I have no night abilities, or if I do, you can roleblock them n1 and it won't matter to me at all.

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This is towny.

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Originally Posted by Cape90

So I see Pizza randed wolf

How is your day going?

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Did you read his pregame posting? It's relevant here.

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Originally Posted by Logic

Pizza doing stuff that I won't be able to read until later, most likely after he is dead, where I will go "oh, that was so obvious of alignment in hindsight!"

As for me, I kinda wanted to copy-paste from my last wolfgame here on the org, but that would be solely for pizza's benefit, and I've already devoted 2 paragraphs to him and mentioned literally no one else.
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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

vote: ATPG

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Several people didn't read ATPG's pre-game posting, huh.

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Originally Posted by Logic

Early vibes from people with posts memorable enough for me to read to some degree

Towny:
Pizza
Monty
Hollowkatt
Cape

Neutral
Visor

Scummy
Ender
Taffy

I'll leave you guys to figure out the "why" on each, as I'm off to make dinner.

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That's a lot of reads this early in the game. Probably towny, though?

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Originally Posted by Ampharos

did you know i once got my car searched by the cops because they asked if i had weed and i said "probably not, no"

note: i do not smoke weed

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Okay, that's funny.

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

That's a lot of reads this early in the game. Probably towny, though?

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Meh, I immediately stopped believing my own logic.

Vote: Logic

I don't actually have reads aside from this at the moment, so don't ask me to give them.

Hi!
This is a pretty hype playlist tbh

At work so will have to be on catch-up mode this afternoon
See ya then tbh!

Hm hm hm.

I like Vulgard's posts. But not entirely sure how much of that is because it feels like they're seeing what I see.

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

Hm hm hm.

I like Vulgard's posts. But not entirely sure how much of that is because it feels like they're seeing what I see.

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With Logic? I barely made any other observations.

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

With Logic? I barely made any other observations.

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Yes. Specifically the "Oh Logic looks fine. Wait no they're sus."

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

Yes. Specifically the "Oh Logic looks fine. Wait no they're sus."

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It was more like:

1. Hey, this is probably towny even if weird.
2. Vulgard, you are being stupid.
3. /vote Logic

I've realized this isn't very helpful.

My opinion switch was less about what Logic did and more about my thought process. I wasn't happy with me having called Logic towny for that post and 180'd.

I mean you bending yourself about specifics just makes me think you're town so good job =P

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Originally Posted by Ampharos

posts dreamed up by the utterly Deranged

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Yeah that's kinda true...

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I don't know if I believe it but here is the thing

Let me tell you the kinds of derps and dumbtells I have seen in my ancient amount of years

Last year (I think) Return of the Clowns game, Lightfoot as town with moderator powers was reading the game, and making a post with claims in it.

instead of replying to an old post, she edited that old post, so that she edited in a claim she saw later in the thread, before the claim was ever made.

It looked like, since no "edited by" showed up, since she is a moderator, that she predicted Colby's claim.

Colby was obviously a wolf, and therefore, her predicting Colby's claim in advance made it seem like she had wolf chat with Colby.

Everything else she posted all game was townie and herself.

Worse, she has terrible memory and DIDNT REMEMBER SHE EDITED THE POST. FLAT OUT DID NOT KNOW SHE DID IT AT ALL. Couldn't explain how it happened, didn't even know that it happened.

That one post made me throw out my town read on her and start over as possibly outed.

I eventually decided..... if every single other post in the game is townie, then she fooled me.

If I can't town read her or wolf read her based on all her other posts, outside of that one anomaly, that might have spewed her wolf wolf with Colby, evidence of sharing a wolf chat, then I didn't want to let a mistake that gross impact the game.

I chose to ignore what should have been outing evidence she couldn't explain as TMI and always wolf wolf with Colby.

I town read her based on 99 percent of her iso otherwise.

And she was town. And we defeated all 3 actual wolves.

I have seen the impossible, wolfiest derps.

I do not accept derp clears anymore, and I do not find derps to be wolfy. Derps are tactics as wolf, and townies can derp so hard, in a wolfy enough way, that I refuse to alignment read a derp anymore.

Forever, as a policy.

If I cannot read you based on 99 out of 100 other posts in your eventual iso, I dont deserve to townread you or wolf catch you based on any derp.

End of policy rant about derpclears and dumbtells.

TLDR, as a policy, due to specific examples over the years, nothing derpclearing is clearing, and wolfy dumbtells can come from townies enough that I throw away all that evidence as crappy evidence.

It's as valid to me now as third on the wagon is always a wolf. It's just not true, it correlated once upon a time.

Derpclears correlated with townie behavior, wolfy dumbtells that look fake correlated with wolfy behavior once upon a time.

We're mostly stone cold veterans.

All that stuff is beyond NAI now. Throw it away.

My advice, ignore me on it if you wanna solve it your own way.

This is the most assertively i think Ive ever declared something null, ever. I am passionate about this being null.

This is in general, I reserve the right to find something particularly difficult to fake derp or find something impossibly wolfy and vote it, but.

It's gotta be super exceptional. Way worse than the Lightfoot example above.

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Good choice, someone tried to derpclear me when I was mafia before, it is a play I sometimes like doing on purpose. I was just wondering because of this + the reasons you were townreading me. I know both instances are fairly different though.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

All of the bolded are wolftells.

Please continue villaging if you are, villagers wolftell.

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Interesting post

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Originally Posted by Visor

Random aside - I don't think monty is a Wolfy villager, I just think people find it hard to follow his logic sometimes and then assume it must make him a wolf

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I think last game I played with Monty, Monty got POE voted out I think when they were indeed town.

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Originally Posted by Logic

I feel more attacked by this than your naked vote.

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I don't necessarily get this. You see, with some of my posts I had humor in mind. I do not get that impression from your posts this game. Perhaps this was posting just to post :hide:

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Phrased exactly how I mean it, because I am adopting the new closed notebook style for everything null and above.

I do not object to Taffy and Monty seeing Day 2, so far.

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Interesting read especially on Taffy who is hardly a presence so far and hasn't been towny at all.
I am assuming this all has to do with some of what Ender said about Taffy

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Taffy/Monty = NAI or towny, unsure yet

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Taffy I think doesn't treat me like this as wolf but that's much weaker and pending further posts.

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So I am taking it Pizza is going with a cautionary angle where Ender has TMI. Though I feel like this POV is better to have if you are actually actively wolfreading Ender which it appears ATPG is not exactly.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Leans list, Closed Notebook style: (All other names redacted, in some order of townie to null, with tiers.)

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Lean wolf (barely... call this "votable" tier.)

5. Ampharos

Unsorted (which means I have reads on everyone else and do not wish to vote unless I can townread Ampharos and/or a lot of unsorteds.)

2. Csargo
6. luvs2spooge
7. dyachei
11. Ladd
12. Vulgard
13. Boquise
15. Renata
17. Kagemusha

Vote: Ampharos

Confidence level: Barely above rand wolf levels of confident, but this slot is neither null nor town lean yet.

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as exemplified here. Which also just feels like it isn't exactly aligning with

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

All of the bolded are wolftells.

Please continue villaging if you are, villagers wolftell.

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But maybe I am cosmic braining this since ATPG is saying that Amy was wolftelling over here...