Terror Attack: 130 Dead in Paris

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Originally Posted by Brenus

Technically Buddhism isn't a religion in stricto sensus

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Evidently, your "sensus" is at variance with the mainstream opinion.

http://www.everystudent.com/features/connecting.html

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Buddhism and its beliefs

Buddhists do not worship any gods or God. People outside of Buddhism often think that Buddhists worship the Buddha. However, the Buddha (Siddhartha Gautama) never claimed to be divine, but rather he is viewed by Buddhists as having attained what they are also striving to attain, which is spiritual enlightenment and, with it, freedom from the continuous cycle of life and death. Most Buddhists believe a person has countless rebirths, which inevitably include suffering. A Buddhist seeks to end these rebirths. Buddhists believe it is a person's cravings, aversion and delusion that cause these rebirths. Therefore, the goal of a Buddhist is to purify one's heart and to let go of all yearnings toward sensual desires and the attachment to oneself.

Buddhists follow a list of religious principles and very dedicated meditation. When a Buddhist meditates it is not the same as praying or focusing on a god, it is more of a self-discipline. Through practiced meditation a person may reach Nirvana -- "the blowing out" of the flame of desire.

Buddhism provides something that is true of most major religions: disciplines, values and directives that a person may want to live by.

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And what was not mentioned in the article - Buddhists have temples.
Thus, all prerequisites to be considered a religion.

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Originally Posted by Brenus

unfortunately, no human ideology is free of violence.

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As far as Buddhism is concerned, you confuse ideology with practical application of it. The violence described in the article has no bearing on the ideology itself. Or can you quote some tenet of buddhism that encourahes violence?

"Evidently, your "sensus" is at variance with the mainstream opinion" Often happened, but I am often right. Religion is not a link with the divine with the extended version of divine provided by your link, but the link between God and it/his/her/their creatures. Buddha never claim to be a prophet or representing a divinity, so Buddhism is part of a bigger religion as Wahhabi, Sufism (having their own temples as well) are part of Islam. Same for Christianity were Catholicism, Eastern Christians and other various Protestant Sects are part of it, have their own rites and temples, but are part of the maim stream.
I suggest you read the subtitle of your provided link, that will explain their version (A Safe Place to Explore Questions About Life and God:laugh4:).
"Buddhists have temples. Thus, all prerequisites to be considered a religion." Nope. The prerequistes to be considered a religion is to worship a divinity/ies. Some Sects would tell that nature is a Temple. Remember: Link with the Divinity/ies.
"According to Cicero derived from relegere "go through again" (in reading or in thought), from re- "again" (see re-) + legere "read" (see lecture (n.)). However, popular etymology among the later ancients (Servius, Lactantius, Augustine) and the interpretation of many modern writers connects it with religare "to bind fast" (see rely), via notion of "place an obligation on," or "bond between humans and gods." In that case, the re- would be intensive. Another possible origin is religiens "careful," opposite of negligens. In English, meaning "particular system of faith" is recorded from c. 1300; sense of "recognition of and allegiance in manner of life (perceived as justly due) to a higher, unseen power or powers" is from 1530s." in http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=religion

"As far as Buddhism is concerned, you confuse ideology with practical application of it." :laugh4: That is because I consider only the practical application... That is the only way to judge. Communism in theory was perfect, however the application in China, and USSR was far from the tenets of it and rightly put to sleep. And Buddha did not refuse killing if it is the right action to do, and some of Buddhists advocate that killing communist was a necessary violence. I could provide more samples, but you have access like me to internet.

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Originally Posted by Brenus

"Evidently, your "sensus" is at variance with the mainstream opinion" Often happened, but I am often right. Religion is not a link with the divine with the extended version of divine provided by your link, but the link between God and it/his/her/their creatures. Buddha never claim to be a prophet or representing a divinity, so Buddhism is part of a bigger religion as Wahhabi, Sufism (having their own temples as well) are part of Islam. Same for Christianity were Catholicism, Eastern Christians and other various Protestant Sects are part of it, have their own rites and temples, but are part of the maim stream.

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Buddha was not a divinity nor prophet, yet some temples are proud to exhibit his body parts (namely teeth). Which kinda transforms him into a figure to be worshipped. Thus, whatever the differences between Buddhism and "hard core" religions maybe, it is still a religion/confession.

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Originally Posted by Brenus

"Buddhists have temples. Thus, all prerequisites to be considered a religion." Nope. The prerequistes to be considered a religion is to worship a divinity/ies. Some Sects would tell that nature is a Temple. Remember: Link with the Divinity/ies.

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Most religions have places to perform a service/worship at and/or places were adherents stay indefinitely to spend their life in prayers. Buddhism has both - temples and monasteries. Ergo: Buddhism is a religion.

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Originally Posted by Brenus

"According to Cicero derived from relegere "go through again" (in reading or in thought), from re- "again" (see re-) + legere "read" (see lecture (n.)). However, popular etymology among the later ancients (Servius, Lactantius, Augustine) and the interpretation of many modern writers connects it with religare "to bind fast" (see rely), via notion of "place an obligation on," or "bond between humans and gods." In that case, the re- would be intensive. Another possible origin is religiens "careful," opposite of negligens. In English, meaning "particular system of faith" is recorded from c. 1300; sense of "recognition of and allegiance in manner of life (perceived as justly due) to a higher, unseen power or powers" is from 1530s." in http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=religion

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Etymology can't always explain the current meaning of the word. Some words preserve their meaning thus etymology is helpful, other don't (girl in Old English meant a child of any sex, husband meant the master of the house). So involving etymology is of doubtful value as an argument.

"Buddha was not a divinity nor prophet," So not a religion.

"yet some temples are proud to exhibit his body parts" So do some Churches and Cathedrals (Holy Relics in various Countries) which doesn't make them a religion.

"So involving etymology is of doubtful value as an argument" :laugh4: That is the ONLY way. A religion is something fulfilling the definition of religion... And Buddhism isn't, no more than Janseism, Sufism, or atheism.:laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Brenus

"yet some temples are proud to exhibit his body parts" So do some Churches and Cathedrals (Holy Relics in various Countries) which doesn't make them a religion.

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So those are not religious buildings?

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Originally Posted by Brenus

"So involving etymology is of doubtful value as an argument" :laugh4: That is the ONLY way. A religion is something fulfilling the definition of religion...

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You again confuse - this time etymology and definition. The etymology of the word geometry is the science about the measuring of land. Yet modern definition of it has nothing to do with land measuring.

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Originally Posted by Brenus

And Buddhism isn't, no more than Janseism, Sufism, or atheism.:laugh4:

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Jansenism and Sufism stemmed from mainstream religions and are teachings within the framework of the corresponding confessions.

Jansenism is a kind of Catholicism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jansenism)

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Jansenism was a Catholic theological movement, primarily in France, that emphasized original sin, human depravity, the necessity of divine grace, and predestination.

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Sufism is a kind of Islam (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufism)

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Sufism or Tasawwuf (Arabic: تصوف‎), is defined as the inner mystical dimension of Islam. Practitioners of Sufism (Tasawwuf), referred to as Sufis (ṣūfī) (/ˈsuːfi/; صُوفِيّ), often belong to different ṭuruq or "orders"—congregations formed around a grand master referred to as a Mawla who maintains a direct chain of teachers back to the Prophet Muhammad. These orders meet for spiritual sessions (majalis) in meeting places known as zawiyahs, khanqahs, or tekke. Sufis strive for ihsan (perfection of worship) as detailed in a hadith: "Ihsan is to worship Allah as if you see Him; if you can't see Him, surely He sees you."

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And do atheists have temples like Buddhists?

"Jansenism and Sufism stemmed from mainstream religions and are teachings within the framework of the corresponding confessions." Err, yeah, that is my point. Your point is Buddhism isn't a stream of a main Religion, but a religion.

"So those are not religious buildings?" Yes they are, but they are not part of a separate religion.

So what are your points? Buddhism is a separation of Hinduism (both are pantheist), as Protestantism is a separation of Catholicism (both are Christian). You mix Churches and Religions, I think.

"And do atheists have temples like Buddhists?" Nope, as atheism is not a religion. Buddhists being part of a religion as Shia and Sunnites are, and no one pretend these last two are from a different religion.

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Originally Posted by Brenus

"Jansenism and Sufism stemmed from mainstream religions and are teachings within the framework of the corresponding confessions." Err, yeah, that is my point. Your point is Buddhism isn't a stream of a main Religion, but a religion.

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All traditional classifications acknowledge Buddhism and Hinduism as separate religions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_...gest_religions

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Originally Posted by Brenus

So what are your points? Buddhism is a separation of Hinduism (both are pantheist), as Protestantism is a separation of Catholicism (both are Christian).
Buddhists being part of a religion as Shia and Sunnites are, and no one pretend these last two are from a different religion.

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You again go for origin instead of the current status. Originally some religions may have had common roots (like Judaism and Christianity, or, in our case, Hinduism and Buddhism) yet at present they are different religions. If they stay within the same framework, there is a holonym which includes some partonyms. For example, Catholics, Protestants and the Orthodox are Christians, Shias and Sunnis are both Muslims. Hinduists and Buddhists don't have such an umbrella name which would include both. Including both into the category of pantheists is wrong.

Pantheism is not a religion. It is a belief that God is everywhere and everything is/has God. This belief is opposed to monotheism and polytheism. Within each there are distinct religions (monotheistic are Christianity, Islam and Judaism, polytheistic are Scandinavian, Greek and Roman (pagan) religions), and some religions contain a mix of those three (Hinduism combines pantheism and polytheism). Now Buddhism denies the existence of the Deity, which in this respect makes it closer to atheism. Yet it has its temples, priests, monasteries, monks, rites and practices which are distinct from others (including Hinduism), thus making it a separate religion.

"Pantheism is not a religion. It is a belief that God is everywhere and everything is/has God." True. So is Buddhism. You finally agree with me.

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Originally Posted by Brenus

"Pantheism is not a religion. It is a belief that God is everywhere and everything is/has God." True. So is Buddhism. You finally agree with me.

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I'm not going to react to your trolling and repeat once again arguments about temples, rites, priests and so on. I have referred to the mainstream classification(s) of religions which ALWAYS include Buddhism. If you don't agree to what the world thinks, well, it's your choice.

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Originally Posted by Brenus

"Pantheism is not a religion. It is a belief that God is everywhere and everything is/has God." True. So is Buddhism. You finally agree with me.

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Actually Buddhism, strictly speaking, is a metaphysical system (not a religion) that excludes the existence of "God" as generally understood. In pure Buddhist thought Brahman is not God, he is simply the most enlightened being. In fact, according to Buddhist Metaphysics Brahman is actually the first being to fall from Nirvana, he thereby achieves self awareness and when other being fall and rejoin him on the lower run of existence he believes he created them. When other being fall still further they look up to the more enlightened Brahman and call him "God".

To be sure, there are people who hold beliefs similar to Buddhist metaphysics who DO believe in God as we in the West understand Him but they are a later splinter sect who re-incorporated elements of Hinduism into the religion. There are also "Buddhist Christians", which is really bizarre.

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Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus

Actually Buddhism, strictly speaking, is a metaphysical system (not a religion) that excludes the existence of "God" as generally understood.

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Yet other metaphysical systems don't have such apanages of a religion which Buddhism has: palces of worship, priests, monks, rites and flock. I agree, though, that Buddhism is not a TYPICAL religion, yet a religion it stays.

Yet again a truth by repetition from Gilrandir...

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Originally Posted by Brenus

Yet again a truth by repetition from Gilrandir...

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You would sound pithier if you hadn't just demonstrated a complete misunderstanding of the belief system under discussion, and Gilrandir does have a point - even purist Buddhism has temples and monks.

"even purist Buddhism has temples and monks." Yeap. It is a system of belief. Still doesn't qualify as a religion, which definition is the link between the creator and the created.
A lot of systems of belief have (had) the equivalent of temples and monks, that doesn't make them religions.
Note that I used his definition.
You just demonstrated your lack of understanding of the definition of a system of belief and a religion.

http://takimag.com/article/surrender...#axzz48htV9Ztd

Interview with the lead singer of the band, read some things I didn't read before. A lot of people must have known about it.

Yeah this is shocking and 2 months before the massacre the venue was sold by aristocratic israeli jews to someone else maybe mossad knew about this operation and told them. The bataclan had been attacked by muslims before for holding pro-israel. The army of Islam said this venue was attacked because the owners are jews?

They were in the venue early. That implies some staff were in on it.

I got in a lot of trouble for saying that. I know for sure that they were in there early. I remember them staring at my buddy. I just chalked it up to Arab envy. You know what I mean? When a Muslim sees a cocky American dude with tattoos, he stares at him. I realized later it was Abdeslam and he was staring at my buddy because they thought he was a threat. There’s no denying the terrorists were already inside, and they had to get in somehow. During the shooting I went outside and the backstage door was propped open. How did that happen?

Not going to get into eveythring, but it kinda baffles me that islamism isn't seen as the creeping poisen that it is. Western eyes aren't equiped to understand it. It baffles friends of mine who are from there, andd the total inanability to acknwoledege an uncomortatable truth amazes me as well, again and again and again. Islam is not peace. Those who think it is are screwing over people who were just not born there, congratulation with your satisfaction. Things are going great here as well no. It's only a matter of time before the sleepers are activated, and it's going to hurt.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Not going to get into eveythring, but it kinda baffles me that islamism isn't seen as the creeping poisen that it is.

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Your terrible typing skills aside, did you find 3 pot-smoking hippies who told you islamists are people too and then assumed that the mainstream loves islamists? What are all the secret services doing with their islamist watchlists? What do you want? Concentration camps? Islamist burnings? Did you know that about 30000 people die every year in Germany from bad air, so if you own a car with a combustion engine and use it often, you're a murderer. I also heard that peanut oil is carcinogenic. Why is it acceptable to kill people with car exhausts and peanut oil? Because they're useful? So who are islamists useful to? Nationalists? Why are nationalists poor and unemployed then? Follow the money? Who makes most money with peanut oil? The gun lobby?

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Originally Posted by Husar

Your terrible typing skills aside, did you find 3 pot-smoking hippies who told you islamists are people too and then assumed that the mainstream loves islamists? What are all the secret services doing with their islamist watchlists? What do you want? Concentration camps? Islamist burnings? Did you know that about 30000 people die every year in Germany from bad air, so if you own a car with a combustion engine and use it often, you're a murderer. I also heard that peanut oil is carcinogenic. Why is it acceptable to kill people with car exhausts and peanut oil? Because they're useful? So who are islamists useful to? Nationalists? Why are nationalists poor and unemployed then? Follow the money? Who makes most money with peanut oil? The gun lobby?

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You know nothing Hussie, a good Marrocan friend of mine had two nightclubs in Utrecht and a few coffeeshops in Amsterdam, his little brother orders whores from Miami, he can do that because he is the captain of Maracco's national team and also plays for Russian clubs, he makes 15 million a year. My mate isn't getting any of that because he is an outcast in his family because he REALY dislikes islam. Feel free to ask him why he is only 2.20 meters high.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

You know nothing Hussie, a good Marrocan friend of mine had two nightclubs in Utrecht and a few coffeeshops in Amsterdam, his little brother orders whores from Miami, he can do that because he is the captain of Maracco's national team and also plays for Russian clubs, he makes 15 million a year. My mate isn't getting any of that because he is an outcast in his family because he REALY dislikes islam. Feel free to ask him why he is only 2.20 meters high.

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Obviously because the EU has taken away his high with the war on drugs.

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Originally Posted by Husar

Obviously because the EU has taken away his high with the war on drugs.

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lol war on real-estsate you must mean, there isn't really anything you can do against it, what is your's isn't your's when they want it

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Originally Posted by Fragony

lol war on real-estsate you must mean, there isn't really anything you can do against it, what is your's isn't your's when they want it

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You can always have a company in Panama.

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Originally Posted by Husar

You can always have a company in Panama.

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Why settle for that when you can be in royal company on the Kaaiman-isles, if you have to evade taxes at least do it good. There aren't going to be any Kaaiman-Isles papers.

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Originally Posted by Brenus

"even purist Buddhism has temples and monks." Yeap. It is a system of belief. Still doesn't qualify as a religion, which definition is the link between the creator and the created.
A lot of systems of belief have (had) the equivalent of temples and monks, that doesn't make them religions.
Note that I used his definition.
You just demonstrated your lack of understanding of the definition of a system of belief and a religion.

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Actually you just demonstrated a lack of understanding based on an Abrahamic worldview. A religion doesn't need to have a creator, it is a set of beliefs on the relationship of the worshipper and the world and has metaphysical aspects. Wiki it don't just take my anti religion view on it...

Buddhism is listed as one of the major religions so I don't see how your plank in eye outweighs 500 million adherents?

You could add that it is a faith based system.
The two main strains: devotional and mystical; each having a definite element of faith.
In the first, that the Buddha did exist and continues to exist. Sworn to continue in connection with this reality until all sentient beings escape; thus the Buddha can be prayed to, and may aid a devotee.
In the second, that enlightenment (whatever it is) is possible and that one may possibly achieve it.

Best to put it here I guess. Really nasty attack in Baghdad over 200 confirmed dead already and many wounded My condoleances what a nightmare.

What the fuck is this.

France ‘Suppressed Reports of Gruesome Torture’ at Bataclan Massacre

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– A French government committee has heard testimony, suppressed by the French government at the time and not published online until this week, that the killers in the Bataclan appear to have tortured their victims on the second floor of the club.

The chief police witness in Parliament testified that on the night of the attacks, an investigating officer, tears streaming down his face, rushed out of the Bataclan and vomited in front of him just after seeing the disfigured bodies.
The 14-hour testimony about the November attacks took place March 21st.[..]

[...]and the torture was, victims told police, filmed for Daesh or Islamic State propaganda. For that reason, medics did not release the bodies of torture victims to the families, investigators said.[...]

[...]The news follows reports that German police sat on the huge number of sexual assaults committed by Islamist migrants in Cologne, which a secret report estimated at thousands, not hundreds.

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Originally Posted by Greyblades

What the fuck is this.

France ‘Suppressed Reports of Gruesome Torture’ at Bataclan Massacre

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Come now, are you really that surprised?

"Cruelty is the tantrum of frustrated power." -- R.G.H. Siu

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Originally Posted by Greyblades

What the fuck is this.

France ‘Suppressed Reports of Gruesome Torture’ at Bataclan Massacre

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In France's case it's for the best that they didn't tell about the torture, things are hard enough as it is, it's best that families don't know. You don't always have to tell what really happened. What Germany did and still does s really ugly though, they are messing with numbers. The childles mutti's little children's crimes are ignored when they can. That's not what I say but what the frustrated German police says themselve, they are not allowed to do their job if it involves the childless Mutti's little children.